Quick question about installing apps... - Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General

Is there much of a performance impact withe regards to install applications on the internal storage instead of on "\"

No!
If there is, it's minimal. I install all my third-party apps to Internal Storage, and they certainly don't take any longer to open, or are they slower running than any of the apps in ROM.

Yes there's a performance difference. If you install them on the ROM you'll find them running slower! Why? Well the ROM is your memory. If you installed a lot of large apps there then you'll have no memory! Then things will really get slow.
Note, however, if you install them on \Internal Storage but then connect your phone to the PC for a data connection (i.e. not an ActiveSync connection but the one where you get \Internal Storage mounted as a drive letter) you will not be able to run anything on \Internal Storage. In fact, you won't be able to see \Internal Storage since it's mounted as a drive to your PC. Worse yet, any applications you were running from \Internal Storage will freeze and will not be killable, necessitating a reboot.

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Whats better: installing on sd card or device?

hey everyone,
did a search on google and here but didn't find what i was looking for.
what keeps a ppc faster? installing programs on the device or the storage card?
thanks,
georgios
neavissa said:
hey everyone,
did a search on google and here but didn't find what i was looking for.
what keeps a ppc faster? installing programs on the device or the storage card?
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Personally, program would run faster if it was installed on the device, but to save space....storage card is for that.
It depends on the program and your personal habbits.
If you are one that has multiple memory cards and swaps them in/out or uses wm5torage, I would suggest programs you use often to be installed on the device.
if you're like me and just leave a card in the phone, then either way
i never swap cards. so i guess it doesnt matter huh?
Nah, I install all the important ones onnthe phone and all the ones that are not so important on the SD, right now there are none. I guess Pac Man, Ms. Pac Man, and Dig Dug are important .
With some roms over 140+ mb space, it definitely won't hurt to install your programs to the main memory. Also, I've run into errors and duplicate folders, ect. from installing to the SD Card.
If you install to sd card, you won't loose anything, except registry entries/configuration, after a hard-reset/rom-reflash. I put all my stuff there that I hate restoring.
I install everything to the sd card, only install apps on the phone memory if the program requires it or an app doesn't like running from the sd card.
No its almost the same, if you have an external HDD, then they will show up in controll panel remove programs, and it will be on the desktop, but when you remove the HDD it will be there but wont run.
They way I do it is if the program runs all the time, lets say a complete system overlay like SPB Mobile Shell or PocketPlus, a real system type program I'll install it on the device. But if it's just an app I run once in a while say Google Maps I'll install it on the card because it only runs when I choose to run it..
Hope that helps!
-RT
I do find that programs like mobipocket run much better when I install to the phone. Seems to hang alot from the card. To me it appears that the phone memory has much quicker access time, but not every program is affected.
I think of it more as the difference between a portable app installed on a usb stick versus the same program running off the desktop.
One other thing to consider (at least it was the case with WM2003SE devices) is if the program/util was run at startup, automatically, it made a lot more sense to put it phone memory, as otherwise the delay in waiting for the SD card to be accessible could cause a slowdown/even hangs!
I install the majority of applications onto my 8GB storage card.
However, I've just discovered that whenever I remove my 8GB memory card, my device memory rises incredibly...
I guess it depends on the type of app you're installing. Something like MagiCall I put on the device so there's no problem blocking calls, but Mio Maps right on the memory card with just a shortcut in the /Windows/Startup Programs folder. If the apps important, then device, but if it's just Pac Man for example, card.
Interesting responses. I've installed apps that the instructions say "Must NOT install on SD card" in the instructions. Some say "You may install on SD card, but be aware that it may be unstable".
comments?
ewingr said:
Interesting responses. I've installed apps that the instructions say "Must NOT install on SD card" in the instructions. Some say "You may install on SD card, but be aware that it may be unstable".
comments?
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Thats there for your safety, it means that if you have any data loss of any kind it wont be the applications fault. It may need to be next to the registry but it really doesnt matter. Games and such, SD card, system tools and registry editors may need to be in the main memory but don't have to.
I install applications on the storage card, and Today plugins on the device. The only "Application" I have on my device itself is Slide 2 Unlock.
-Jay

[Q] Critical Storage memory with nothing in it a t all!PLS help!

Hello Everyone!
I'm experiencing an issue with my touch Diamond.
Usually, I put nothing on my storage memory, I put all my data on the Internal storage.so, there should be nthing on the system storage, what means there should be at least 40MBs free outta the 85.but I still get the "Storage memory critically low" message, and all the memory in the storage disappears!
when I connect my device to the PC via ActiveSync, and look up the my device folder (not the 4gb internal), it says I've got no memory free,but when I go into there, select all my files and click "properties",it says theres only 40mbs of data on it, still the 85mb system storage is full!I've tried everything:registry cleaning, removing all the programs, cleaning Opera cache and e-mail attachments, too, still nothing helps but a ROM update!after that everythings OK (for a while), and then starts all over again after a few weeks,and I don't wanna spend every 3rd week with reinstalling the ROM and set all the settings back (yeah I have the backup but still annoying to update ROM every month....:S)
Please,anybody, HELP!!!!
Something that might point you in the right direction ... when you select all the files and check the size, hidden files won't be included. Make sure you have explorer set to show hidden files and system files, or use something like total commander to find them.
Once you find out what is really taking up all the space, hopefully it will lead you to the solution. Sorry I can't suggest something more specific.
I realise this wouldn't help the original poster, but I'm posting this in case it helps others in a similar situation.
Today, for the first time, I got the dreaded 'you are running out of memory' warning and, sure enough, I only had 2MB left on the Storage partition. I only ever install apps to the 4GB Internal Storage partition and all that so there's really no reason why this should've been happening. What tipped me off to the solution was the fact that the only app I'd been using at the time was Opera. So, I tried clearing the Opera cache and, despite the fact it's set to only use 4MB of space, clearing it out reclaimed about 25MB of space in the Storage partition.
So, it would seem there's a bit of a bug there in Opera and I'd advise anyone having storage space issues to try that no matter how little space Opera might claim that it's cache is taking up.
Medulla said:
So, it would seem there's a bit of a bug there in Opera and I'd advise anyone having storage space issues to try that no matter how little space Opera might claim that it's cache is taking up.
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You're a star...!
I couldn't work out why I had lost so much device storage space either...
Just regained a whole 9MB
Not a hell of a lot, but sure explained half of my problem...!
I ran out of memory - now WM wont load
I had those critical memory messages. did a hard reset, and now my diamond won't restart. it hangs on the windows mobile 6.1 screen.
any tips?
I can get into bootloader mode. is my only option to flash a new ROM?
tks.
With the latest SKTools (if you don't wanna edit the registry) it's easy to move the Opera cache to the internal 4 gig storage instead.

Strange file system issues

My file system is totally confused. When I browse to EMMC from a file manager it goes to my SD Card. If I browse to SD Card it actually goes to the internal drive.
I've had my rooted Nook Color for about 5 weeks now (CM7 booted from a SD card). Everything was working great until I tried installing some different launchers. I tried GoLauncher, Zeam, ICS, Honeycomb and maybe one more. The default was ADW. Maybe I confused the system by constantly switching from one to the next but at some point the system crashed and I rebooted.
Once rebooted I noticed that many of the games I installed told me I needed to redownload their data files. I looked on my card, through my Mac, but the original files were still there. Turns out the Nook now installs apps on the internal drive rather than the card as it had been before.
Wouldn't be so bad but, as mentioned earlier, the file system is confused. When i need to manage files I've loaded on my SD card I have to browse to EMMC and vice versa. Makes my head spin.
Is there a way to fix it without starting from scratch? I'm using CM7.2.0.
Thanks for your help
That's not a bug, it's a feature. Anyway, what you likely did is Settings -> Cyanogenmod Settings -> Application Settings -> Use internal storage (checked). If you do this, then it swaps the mount points for the SD and the internal memory, so the SD card is mounted at "/emmc" and the internal memory is mounted at "/sdcard". See the first post in the thread in my sig for more information about this.
If you really want to return it to the original way, wasting 5G of internal storage space, then you can uncheck that box in the settings and it'll go back to normal.
Thanks for pointing that out and glad to see there's an easy fix. Seems a bit confusing though, like it's renaming your hard drives or something. I had been using the internal drive for storing media files, video, music, comics. Does it matter where apps or files are stored?
false1 said:
Thanks for pointing that out and glad to see there's an easy fix. Seems a bit confusing though, like it's renaming your hard drives or something. I had been using the internal drive for storing media files, video, music, comics. Does it matter where apps or files are stored?
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Well, the "fix", IMHO, is to leave it with them swapped.
Yes, it matters where apps are stored and it matters what is mounted at /sdcard. Apps use space on the /sdcard partition for settings, temp storage, downloads, etc. Mounting that 5G partition at /sdcard instead of /emmc allows these apps to use that space rather than cluttering your actual SD card. And apps are going to wind up on your 1G partition, not on either the /sdcard or /emmc mountpoint.
You can go read up in my guide on my recommendation on how to best use this space. The normal way is inefficient and wasteful of internal memory, IMHO. But you know, maybe you like it that way
mr72 said:
You can go read up in my guide on my recommendation on how to best use this space. The normal way is inefficient and wasteful of internal memory, IMHO. But you know, maybe you like it that way
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I think efficiency is more in how you choose to utilise the spaces rather than fundamentally in which switch option you use. For example, I choose to completely fill the 5GB of internal with sound and picture media as they get included in the normal app scanning process. Leaving the SD card to hold yet more media, app data and back ups.
It's still good to have the choice offered by the switch.

[Q] Is there any Rom that support Mass storage?

Is there any Rom that support Mass storage?
I am now using Official 20B Rom with UMS apk ton use mass storage mode, but there have been lots of trivial problems for Official 20B Rom, e.g. extremely low phone volume, sometime the other end on phone can't receive my voice, battery drain for idle (1 battery drained overnight without any clue of what have happened)
Please don't sell the crappy MTP mode to me, it is simply rubbish to me, the reason is this:
I am keeping 4 copies of >6GB of files (~3,000 files, including doc, pdf, files, but not mp3 files) in 4 places, including 2 on window and 2 on android devices, to synchronize these copies without the need to transfer 6GB of files everytime and without using the cloud (I never trust cloud, don't sell me on this), I need to use software on window (e.g. free file sync) to synchronize the copies 2-3 times a day with just about 1-10mb of changes.
As such, the only viable option to me is to mount the SD card as a separate drive on window using android's mass storage mode, so that I can use folder synchronizing software to synchronize these copies of files.
The other stupid option is to remove the SD card from the android device 2-3 times a day and use card reader, but this is troublesome and have some chance to damage the content of SD card if not done properly.
So, :crying: please kindly tell me which ROM other than the crappy Official 20B Rom would support Mass storage mode, thanks.
As far as i know all roms are based on AOSP, which use emulated storage layout.
Emulated storage can't handle UMS due to partitionning tricks. UMS is only usable on external SD.
I really would like to know all everybody does to transfer large files. through wifi is not working as fast as it could be with UMS, and as you mention, MTP and PTP are discutables.
A big fail for me, but it seems i'm the only one to think this is
Mass storage to external SD is as good, any ROM suggestions?
vanir 4.3 wit ararargi cust. have mass storage
syncing files
for syncing files between devices you may want to look at bittorrent sync, i'm not 100% sure but it may sync differences in large files instead of uploading the entire file, they have an android app as well as an application for windows.
hope it helps you
genia.m said:
vanir 4.3 wit ararargi cust. have mass storage
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just tested, it still only have MTP and PTP but not mass storage

Question Set SD card as default Whatsapp memory for images, video...

I tried hardly to set the external SD card as Whatsapp default memory for images, video on the Redmi Note 10Pro... With no success.
Tried from within the app and from the phone, no way. WhatsApp stuff will slowly eat the memory for no reason. I managed to set it as a default for the camera, but not for WhatsApp.
Anybody has a way or a workaround? Hints are highly appreciated.
Jean-Marc
jmcaimi said:
I tried hardly to set the external SD card as Whatsapp default memory for images, video on the Redmi Note 10Pro... With no success.
Tried from within the app and from the phone, no way. WhatsApp stuff will slowly eat the memory for no reason. I managed to set it as a default for the camera, but not for WhatsApp.
Anybody has a way or a workaround? Hints are highly appreciated.
Jean-Marc
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Not allowed by WhatsApp when SD used as removable storage - I guess it's something to do with security ?
If you are rooted you can mount the internal Whatsapp folder to your sdcard. That way all data which is supposed to go into that folder on the internal storage is saved on the sdcard instead. But you would need to format it as f2fs, or ext2/3/4 for that to work. If you do that it will only be readable under linux. It wont work on Windows, or inside digital cameras, recorders, etc.
HiQual said:
Not allowed by WhatsApp when SD used as removable storage - I guess it's something to do with security ?
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WhatsApp has implemented scoped storage https://developer.android.com/training/data-storage#scoped-storage, means you won't be able to store app data outside their own boundaries unless you use the sd card as adoptable storage https://source.android.com/devices/storage/adoptable
It's understandable why most flagship doesn't have any microsd anymore. To put it simply, it wasn't easy just to put apps data into a removable storage anymore, as we perceive removeable storage as, well, removable, while it's not anymore - it's part of your phone, to extend your phone internal storage. Losing it, accidentally breaking it, can cause data lost for some apps. For the sake of convenience, easier to use, and manufacture's benefits, it's more preferred to remove the microsd altogether instead.
i have root
is there no a module or app? there was app called "folder mount" it was working but android 12 not working more

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