If I have Wifi(personal) and disabled my data transfer, does web usage of the internet use up my data plan?
It should not. You need to be very sure that your data is disable though. I call AT&T and tell them to put a data block on the line when I don't have a data plan. It means no MMS (SMS are still possible), but at least you are 100 % sure. Alternatively, I have also just changed the connection settings on the phone (e.g. add an "x" to the end of the line so that it can't connect, etc). But yeah I use wifi all the time and have no data on the Diamond.
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I have had the 8125 for quite some time now and have found no use whasoever for a data plan with this device. So considering the additional cost per month, is the data plan worth it under the 3G connection? I am in the MD/DC area, and expect I'll get fairly decent coverage but I'd be interested in location specific feedback as well.
If you don't need data, you don't need a plan. I use mine for streaming video using SlingBox to program or watch my home DVR or peek out one of my surveilance cams. I also use it occasionally as a network connection for my Laptop using internet sharing. I'm finding pretty good 3G coverage in So. Calif., just went up at my house now as well. I usually keep 3G turned off however when not needed, to increase battery life.
Note that even without a data plan, you can use data services -- cost is $0.01 per KB, whether it's over GPRS, EDGE, or HSDPA. If you don't use data very often, I'd skip it & pay as you go. If you end up using data more, you can always add a data plan later.
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Note that even without a data plan, you can use data services -- cost is $0.01 per KB, whether it's over GPRS, EDGE, or HSDPA. If you don't use data very often, I'd skip it & pay as you go. If you end up using data more, you can always add a data plan later.
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Don't you have to enable something on the backend to allow data? Or in other words, if I get this new phone, will I automatically get a data connection and have to start paying ala carte pricing??
The Kaiser has an autoconnect program that configures the data connection; IIRC, it runs during the extROM installation right after a hard reset. Basically, you tell it what country & carrier you use, and it configures the data connection. If you don't want to use data at all, you can tweak the data connection settings (e.g. change the password and/or username) so it won't connect.
I'm currently using my Kaiser on T-Mobile, and I don't have a data plan as I don't intend to access the internet other than via WiFi. However, sometimes if I try to sync my email or access a webpage without first connecting to WiFi, I get a notification that my phone is connecting to EDGE. This obviously shouldn't be happening, since my plan doesn't cover it. Usually I can cancel it within a few seconds so I don't think it's ever actually connected.
However, I'm afraid that rather than denying me access to the network, it's just going to let me connect and then automatically charge me for a data plan, which is something I would definitely like to avoid. Does anyone know why this is happening, whether I'll actually get connected to EDGE/be charged for it, and how I can get around it? Or should I talk to T-Mobile and find out from them? Also, when my phone connects to the data network to receive MMS, does that count as part of a data plan or is that covered in the regular MMS charge? I have virtually no knowledge of how phone and data networks function, so sorry if this info is painfully simple.
Thanks in advance.
Not having a data plan doesn't prevent you from connecting to the data network, but only changes the way it gets billed. Without a plan you usually get billed for the amount of data you transfer, at a fairly high price per MB. With a plan you'll pay some monthly fee but will then be free to transfer up to a certain amount of data per month, altogether for much cheaper.
If you don't want the EDGE to connect, either simply delete the connection parameters from the connection settings or use a program like this one to deactivate the connection:
http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-software/246171/new-free-utility/
MMS is a separate connection that can only be used for MMS and doesn't charge.
you can also change the different cell data connections to disabled with KaiserTweak, on this forum, that's worked well for me.
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Okay, thanks guys, I'll check it out. I skimmed through some of the connection options and didn't see anything, but I'll look more thoroughly and figure it out. Also need to remember to install KaiserTweak again, keep forgetting to while trying out various ROMs.
Also thanks for the info about the billing, I didn't realize it worked like that - I thought it was like internet access, if you don't have a plan you can't get on.
You can get unlimited access to media net for $15 a month
Is there a way to set this up?
Basically if I go to update weather, it will use data connection and costs a good pay per use (no data plan for me)
Similarly for Browsing...
If I want to update weather and browse, I want to do it via Wifi only and not the network itself..
At least the browsing should ALWAYS be by wifi
Weather might be allowable to go under data
If anyone has a way to force data connection to always remain off (regardless of what a program tries to access!)
This is a redundant thread; either use Modaco NoData or delete your data network settings.
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i just bought the diamond 2 and i was wondering can you disable incoming data, as i dont want to get a data plan from my service provider, and just use wifi......is there a way i can do it or do i have just have to call my service provider to disable it?
Thanks
extracrunchie said:
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i just bought the diamond 2 and i was wondering can you disable incoming data, as i dont want to get a data plan from my service provider, and just use wifi......is there a way i can do it or do i have just have to call my service provider to disable it?
Thanks
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Goto Settings > Communication and turn off Data Connection.
Also, NoData.
Does what it says on the tin.
Why use NoData when one can simply turn off Data Connection from the Settings? Is there any other benefit?
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Why use NoData when one can simply turn off Data Connection from the Settings? Is there any other benefit?
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Its my understanding the turning off the Data Connection from the Settings only turns it off once, it can reconnect itself if some program (email, internet) demands it, NoData disables the connection and it can only be re-enabled by changing it in NoData.
I think I'm correct ?
I dunno about NoData since I personally want to have Data, but I can confirm that disabling the data through the settings doesn't work as you would expect. It's true, the data will be reenabled if the email or web client request it.
You can also just delete the data connection. I just went to connections and removed the settings for at&t media net and now I no longer connect to edge.
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Is there a definitive answer to this question? Specifically, I want MMS enabled, GPRS / 3G / HSPDA disabled (So it won't enable if I load Opera etc without having wireless connectivity).
Actually, I'd prefer to be given the option each time a new data connection is to be established, but I'd settle for no mobile data and remove the option when I wanted to use it.
No included data means that *any* accidental mobile access is expensive!
Hey guys the G1 data plan is getting too expensive for me and I'm planning to cancel soon. After I call in and cancel, how can I get my G1 to stop trying to access the internet unless its Wifi? Or once I cancel I won't have to worry about this?
I also heard a rumor about changing the APN settings so you can still have and use the internet? Is this true?
no real way to stop the phone from accessing the web since even in the background it sends packets of information. that's just how the phone works that's why you need the data plan for this phone.
i want to cancel the plan cause my sis is paying for mine and i dont want her paying 300$+ a year on me. but i dont want to be charged after i cancel the plan cause my g1 is still accessing the internet. Anyways to prevent it from accessing the internet?
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i want to cancel the plan cause my sis is paying for mine and i dont want her paying 300$+ a year on me. but i dont want to be charged after i cancel the plan cause my g1 is still accessing the internet. Anyways to prevent it from accessing the internet?
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i just said no there is no way to to shut off the internet due to the fact that the phone requires you to have a google account to run it even if you flash a adp build and skip the logon proceedure the phone still access the web in the background without you knowledge you will still get billed for data charges at t mobs data rate which i think is 25 to 50 cents per meg used.
disable auto sync
if you disable auto sync you wont be accessing the internet much (assuming you don't have a ton of news widgets or something) then sync when you're connected to wifi (toggle settings works well for this)
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if you disable auto sync you wont be accessing the internet much (assuming you don't have a ton of news widgets or something) then sync when you're connected to wifi (toggle settings works well for this)
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the problem is even with auto sync off the phone still polls the internet in the background for updates and other things you could remove every internet reliant app off your phone and it still polls the internet it just the way android is designed he want to stop all internet traffic which is impossible without hacking the rom beyond what we do or pulling out the sim. even google maps requires to poll the internet in the background without him even turning it on. it's just impossible to stop it completely.
Install APNdroid.
Easiest, simplest, most reliable way: Go into settings>wireless controls>Mobile Networks>Access Point names, then click on each one and hit menu then delete. You will also need to finangle with tmobile through their customer service number in order to get them to cancel 3g for your G1 (they have some kind of a policy that's supposed to mean that you have to have an unlimited data plan with the G1, but if you're patient with them they'll let you cancel and just have voice.)
Even easier way. Download Toggle Data from market. That's what I've been using since I cancelled my plan. No more data in the background, so my battery life is longer. Sometimes my phone goes like 2-3 days without charge. (Of course without using wifi)
apns not only control how the phone connects to the internet it also handles how it connects to make calls which is also how it connect to edge/3g. so see the conundrum we have here removing all apns also kills making calls.
Before I bricked my G1, (I don't have a data plan) I just went to the T-Mobile store and told the guy what I could do to stop the internet. He just changed some kind of port number and stopped the internet so I don't get charged.
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apns not only control how the phone connects to the internet it also handles how it connects to make calls which is also how it connect to edge/3g. so see the conundrum we have here removing all apns also kills making calls.
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I use apndroid all the time(to save battery) and I can still send/receive calls with it.
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I use apndroid all the time(to save battery) and I can still send/receive calls with it.
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i wasn't talking about apndroid
i was talking about the guy who told him to delete all his apns
if i use apndroid will i still be able to use wifi? also im using a JACHero's rom and i noticed this in the settings...
Data Sync > Google > Background Date Usage [X]
APN Droid only kills the data.
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apns not only control how the phone connects to the internet it also handles how it connects to make calls which is also how it connect to edge/3g. so see the conundrum we have here removing all apns also kills making calls.
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No, the APN controls cellular data (internet and MMS) only. Voice and SMS are "built in" so to speak - as long as the SIM matches yoru carrier's records, they will work.
Deleting the APNs (or using APNdroid) will block cellular data, leaving voice, SMS and WiFi internet unaffected.