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Do Not Use This..

DO NOT USE THIS!!
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-pocket-pc-installation-creator-v2-3.html
I tried to use this app to create a cab file. It has an internal virus that changes the username of your phone to a Chinese variant when the created cab is run. (not sure why?)
Knew nothing about this until my Worldmate and Resco shut down on my TyTynII (they check their codes with username everytime you sync online).
Guess AV for WM is something to look at now!!

A virus? I doubt it...
Don't overreact and waste money on virus program for WM6. The experts may correct if I am wrong but I still can remember only 1 test case of a "sample" virus in windows mobile a few years back.
And changing your phone's user name to the chinese equivalent, considering it is possibly written by someone who is, uh, chinese, doesn't constitute a virus.

packetstorm said:
Don't overreact and waste money on virus program for WM6. The experts may correct if I am wrong but I still can remember only 1 test case of a "sample" virus in windows mobile a few years back.
And changing your phone's user name to the chinese equivalent, considering it is possibly written by someone who is, uh, chinese, doesn't constitute a virus.
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I did not suggest to anyone to go out and buy AV software but, I can send you the .cab file if you would like to check for youself??
A virus or Trojan would not have to specifically work with onboard comms apps on the WM unit but so many people (especially in the US) are tethering there devices now giving a 'back door' so to speak..
It would not take much for a small packe on your WM device to drop items into your Outbox and when you sync, hey presto, it goes.
Basic PC AV would not see this.
EDIT: OK, for want of a better term, cal it Malware...Take a look at this, it's a bit long winded but gives you some idea. http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/reference/malicious.threats.to.pdas.html

Spyware software on PPC's possible?

Is there possible software out there in the form of our cab install files that are spyware? Is it possible for people to see what we are doing in our phones and pocketpcpdas? like a logging tracking type of software imbeded in our device which tells people what we are doing? what we are downloading..etc..etc..just like how the government can listen to our phone calls. Are possibley our favorite applications such as microsoft live/live search ot tomTom7 tracking software which is telling companies or the government what we are doing on our devices? like how Skyfire can log what you are doing with their web browser through their servers...
....just wanted to know if its possible and has anybody heard of such things

There have been trojans in the wild for pocket pc - the Brador.A trojan did open a backdoor exploit to allow remote access to a device. And there have been other nasty things for Palm.
But, they've been really rare, and mostly proof of concept kind of things. I'd say the far greater risk is that, if you use *.exe installers from your desktop or laptop to put software on your mobile, that the desktop or laptop could become infected by something seeded in the *.exe file.
So, always scan any installers, ideally as you download (ie. with and AV app integrated with your browser, like Norton) before you execute them. When docked to your PC, you can also scan your mobile - I use Vista on one of my machines at home, and dock my Tilt to it without setting it up, so it's just like any other mass storage device. Norton will scan it like any other drive or storage device.

moegdaog said:
Is there possible software out there in the form of our cab install files that are spyware? Is it possible for people to see what we are doing in our phones and pocketpcpdas? like a logging tracking type of software imbeded in our device which tells people what we are doing? what we are downloading..etc..etc..just like how the government can listen to our phone calls. Are possibley our favorite applications such as microsoft live/live search ot tomTom7 tracking software which is telling companies or the government what we are doing on our devices? like how Skyfire can log what you are doing with their web browser through their servers...
....just wanted to know if its possible and has anybody heard of such things
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While this is not "spyware" it certainly does what spyware would do - right? report without your knowing it what the phone user was doing?
http://www.pocketpc-live.com/pocketpc-softwares/ultimate-theft-alert-v3-for-pocket-pcs.html
Bill

Yep... but usually it's yourself installing that thing so I wouldn't qualify it as spyware...
Unless someone grabs your phone from you and installs the software against you without you knowing it

Anything is possible when you put your mind to it. I bet if you talked to enough coders you'd find one that would help you write Spyware.
Possible? Yes. Probable? No.

o ok..just wanted to get some general knowledgeon this subject cuz i would hate to have to worry about trojans on my pda maaan.

moegdaog said:
o ok..just wanted to get some general knowledgeon this subject cuz i would hate to have to worry about trojans on my pda maaan.
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Now - Let's say that you were oh say Chinese - and that you knew that LOTS of foreigners were coming over for say - oh - a lot of games - would you PAY someone to put spyware on their phones?
hmmmm. . . MAYBE...
Just a thought...
Bill

Internet security

Quick (and possibly stupid) question; would it be safe enough to enter account and password details for sites browsing on the Diamond?
On my desktop computer, I have a firewall, antivirus and spamscanners, so I feel relatively safe. But other than the physical router, what security do I have while browsing on the Diamond? Has anybody had any problems? Or are keyloggers, spam and virusses still not available for Windows Mobile devices?
Cheers,
FTrippie

firewall would be a useful addition to your software
A little while ago there was some discussion about virus threats etc on PDA's.
I wrote a little on the subject then:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-334389.html
You can buy products like the McAfee Mobile Security suite which has a lot of protection (although it has no formal accreditation).
It is about understanding the range of threat vectors that you leave open. If you understand these you can make an informed decision on what an acceptable level of risk is.
There are many ways to attack a PDA...too many to list in this post.
It is quite easy to launch a subnet attack on a PDA from a SIM in a 3G laptop - A local fw sensibly configured will protect against most subnet attacks.
AV protection will protect against the few virus threats that exist today
Sensible usage and connection procedures will protect against most attack types.
I think that at the moment the real risk to you is low but you always need to review the threats in the market (Start with a google search on WM threats).
If you store credentials then they could be extracted but I have come across no real instances of this as yet. Having said that I would not use my PDA to purchase items online.
Credentials stored on a PDA are at greater risk of compromise than those on a laptop say as the OS is not as sophisticated and it is easy to extract key data even after a hard reset...not to mention the access password is easier to gain by video than a laptops...
All the best,
Sam.

Thanks Sam,
Quite clear. I understand the danger of storing stuff, even on laptops and desktop I prefer to keep them encrypted, even more so on the PDA.
But yes, my main concern is web browsing. I would like to check into bank sites, webmail and those kind of things which all require logging in.
Cheers,
FTrippie

Accessing Internal Memory from Desktop Computer

Hello,
I've got HTC HD7 with 02 branding and am running Win XP.
I am desperately trying to access phone's internal memory over USB with no success. I would like to shift data so like used to do it on my old HTC Diamond. And I dont want to use the Zune crap, cause it only allows shifting media files like music and videos...
I mean, WM6, 6.1 and 6.5 had a sperate option (ActiveSync, Memory Access or Internet Sharing) when plugging device to the computer.
Is there any similar app or built-in functionality to do so???
Thanks and regards,
schorschy

schorschy said:
Hello,
I've got HTC HD7 with 02 branding and am running Win XP.
I am desperately trying to access phone's internal memory over USB with no success. I would like to shift data so like used to do it on my old HTC Diamond. And I dont want to use the Zune crap, cause it only allows shifting media files like music and videos...
I mean, WM6, 6.1 and 6.5 had a sperate option (ActiveSync, Memory Access or Internet Sharing) when plugging device to the computer.
Is there any similar app or built-in functionality to do so???
Thanks and regards,
schorschy
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nope, zunes the only option right now.

i really do not understand microsoft... they announced wm7 as something absolutely groundbreaking and there are many functionalities i am missing even in comparison to wm6!!!
i mean, okay, i somehow can understand they removed activesync... but memory access via usb?! or wm6 to wm7 data migration?! i mean, these are basic functionalities every mobile device MUST have...
it really makes me think over about giving back my device...

schorschy said:
i mean, okay, i somehow can understand they removed activesync... but memory access via usb?! or wm6 to wm7 data migration?! i mean, these are basic functionalities every mobile device MUST have...
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I totally disagree, memory access by USB is not a must have function to sell a mobile phone by any means.
What data are you trying to put onto the device that won't be covered by Zune or a Windows Live/Google account etc?

i just think using pda as a memory stick is a very useful functionality... for example, shifting pdf's when being offline or similar...

Microsoft have taken the approach that in order to produce a stable platform, the file system needs to be locked down so that people cannot "tinker" with it. Its a sensible approach if you think about it from that perspective.
If this was such a big thing for you, why didn`t you check before purchasing?

schorschy said:
Hello,
I've got HTC HD7 with 02 branding and am running Win XP.
I am desperately trying to access phone's internal memory over USB with no success. I would like to shift data so like used to do it on my old HTC Diamond. And I dont want to use the Zune crap, cause it only allows shifting media files like music and videos...
I mean, WM6, 6.1 and 6.5 had a sperate option (ActiveSync, Memory Access or Internet Sharing) when plugging device to the computer.
Is there any similar app or built-in functionality to do so???
Thanks and regards,
schorschy
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Well, to each its own, some users TOTALLY DISAGREE with you, while I'm just like you thinking that a new system should be inclusive to all features and capabilities provided by the prior one.
Plus, tinkering with system file? well an 8 GB or 16 GB of storage SHOULD be used the way i Like it, not Locked out as some suggests, at least look ROM files, leaving the rest for the user preferences.
Final word, I TOTALLY AGREE with you about your complaint.
Will

Willy318is said:
Well, to each its own, some users TOTALLY DISAGREE with you, while I'm just like you thinking that a new system should be inclusive to all features and capabilities provided by the prior one.
Plus, tinkering with system file? well an 8 GB or 16 GB of storage SHOULD be used the way i Like it, not Locked out as some suggests, at least look ROM files, leaving the rest for the user preferences.
Final word, I TOTALLY AGREE with you about your complaint.
Will
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Now now Will,
I just have trouble grasping this type of thread - this was all known before launch and before devices were available to buy. But hey, whatever.

I've just bought a HD7 too, and I have to admit to being absolutely gutted. Admittedly I didn't do too much research into it before getting it but I just assumed that being a windows mobile device it would be reasonably friendly with windows on my desktop computer. I've been tinkering with zunes to get my old pictures and music onto the phone but it's just ghastly.
Chances are I'll ditch it and get an android methinks. Real shame because I used to love my old HD2.

admittedly, i didn't research on this phone before getting it... just because i trusted the plattform - wm6.1 and wm6.5 were stable enough... however, after getting the device, i must say it's nothing for "tweaker", but a pure media consumption system. and thats why i hate it - fancy layers, nice optics, easy-to-use apps, but... zero funtionality. using it makes me feel i'm a little schoolgirl wearing a pink t-shirt.
gonna give it back and get hd2. the lesson i learnt for the second time (after getting fresh-presented htc diamond touch in 2008):
it's better to have an older device with mature os and application landscape than to have the latest device with lots of "fancy" stuff!
never do the same mistake again... thanks to all for replies and warm greetings from germany!

For goodness sake, it was so well trailed that MS would make WP7 a locked down system it would have taken hardly any research to find it out. I wish I had the cash to purchase £500 smartphones with little or no research up front. There is nothing wrong with wanting to tweak etc. but to do so, get an android device, a WM6.5 device, a jail broken iPhone or wait until someone "jailbreaks" WP7. Sheesh it's like saying "OMG I bought a Toyota and am so disappointed to find it isn't a Ford"

adesonic said:
For goodness sake, it was so well trailed that MS would make WP7 a locked down system it would have taken hardly any research to find it out. I wish I had the cash to purchase £500 smartphones with little or no research up front. There is nothing wrong with wanting to tweak etc. but to do so, get an android device, a WM6.5 device, a jail broken iPhone or wait until someone "jailbreaks" WP7. Sheesh it's like saying "OMG I bought a Toyota and am so disappointed to find it isn't a Ford"
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Exactly.
Also there is a reason the product is called Windows Phone 7 and not Windows Mobile 7. I noticed its referred to as Windows Mobile 7 a lot in this thread.

Am I mistaken or didn't MS say they would still maintain updates to the old wm6.5 os as a side project?
also how can anyone say zune is ghastly? its easily the best media organizer there is 100times better than itunes and as for android i had a desire and the syncing was so basic and naff. Another good thing with zune is the music organization, look at itunes and getting album art it is dire. Zune on the other hand is easy as pie and if you cant find it in the library even a 5yo could use the manual edit tool. With Zune everything has the right name album art etc my itunes (i have a mac mini in my living room connected to my tv) is about 80% the rest is to messy to be bothered with. I found when syncing with my desire hardly any artwork came through and the media folders where dire to navigate (this is a biggie as i use it to play music in my car)
I think the thing here is as stated before, the facts are out there this phone is what it is. It is not a win 6.5 update it is a separate mobile os. The features it has are are far beyond anything else out there but if you want something that does something else then buy something else. You don't buy a toaster to fry chips.

+1 On the Zune is excellent front....awesome software

lumpaywk said:
You don't buy a toaster to fry chips.
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That's a late night half-drunk/half-stoned experiment just begging to be done... where's my toaster?

Viruses

I just want to say that it has always bothered me that people say Windows is attacked more because it's more popular.
What a load of horse****.
Windows is attacked more because it's easier for viruses to actually run. A windows machine is infected far more readily than Linux - it's pretty bleeping hard for a virus to run in Linux. In fact, until fairly recently - there was only 1 virus for Linux and that was proof of concept.
As far as I understand it, there are a few viruses (a virus, actually) that exist that will run in Linux these days. I have never run an anti-virus on my Linux system and I never will. Waste of system resources, unnecessary. There is actually an antivus for Linux - I think it's called clam. You would ONLY install and use it if windows machines were on your lan.
Viruses aren't as big a problem as they once were - but windows machines were/are targets because windows makes it easy not because windows is popular. Po;ular helps, but, Linux runs everything except your desktop - it's pretty popular.

I would agree only that clam/clamTK is basically just an email scanning tool (it only scans for windows viruses) and you would only need to really worry about messing with it on servers that are shipping things to and from windows and not just on your LAN (like an email server)
Linux does have viruses but not like windows they take the form of rootkits which I would recommend any Linux user run rootkit scanners every once and a while to make sure your system is clean. You can also use SELinux if you're really worried about things. Fedora has that enabled by default.
I totally agree with you though that it is pretty hard to get viruses on a Linux box that effect that Linux box or other network devices. Linux is used everywhere; servers, IOT devices, embedded systems, routers, everywhere. It's the most popular OS for everything but desktops where windows has most of that market share

Inideed, and, thanks for clarifying Clam. In fact, you just reminded me to run rkhunter.

The point is always: you need some sort of interaction if you want your malware to be run. And if you got an interaction with a Linux desktop user, you can try to make them run e.g. a shell bomb instead of a virus. Having some 2% of market share the Linux desktop user is simply not attractive. Otherwise there would be much more sophisticated shell bomb designs, exploiting e.g. zerodays to pull some nifty data.
But on Android you usually can't do that, because on stock ROMs the shell is pretty useless. Plus most of the interesting data is in the cloud anyway, so it's easier to put your malware into an app or attack the server.

A seemingly full list of past linux malware may be found here (Wikipedia, "Linux Malware" article).
AFAIK, a well patched system should be secure.

bronkish said:
I just want to say that it has always bothered me that people say Windows is attacked more because it's more popular.
What a load of horse****.
Windows is attacked more because it's easier for viruses to actually run. A windows machine is infected far more readily than Linux - it's pretty bleeping hard for a virus to run in Linux. In fact, until fairly recently - there was only 1 virus for Linux and that was proof of concept.
As far as I understand it, there are a few viruses (a virus, actually) that exist that will run in Linux these days. I have never run an anti-virus on my Linux system and I never will. Waste of system resources, unnecessary. There is actually an antivus for Linux - I think it's called clam. You would ONLY install and use it if windows machines were on your lan.
Viruses aren't as big a problem as they once were - but windows machines were/are targets because windows makes it easy not because windows is popular. Po;ular helps, but, Linux runs everything except your desktop - it's pretty popular.
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bro, could u give me the url/resources of that linux virus ?
"...here was only 1 virus for Linux and that was proof of concept.."

Well, as I referred above, I think he is mistaken.
Anyway, a frequently updated Linux workstation, not configured to be publicly accessible from the Internet, should be very secure.

I’m sure I never have gotten a virus but there’s a possibility that I did in 2015 when I first began using Linux after that windows 10 dumpster fire. Basically on Ubuntu 14.04 lts I installed a deb package thinking it was a conky widget and after a few minutes of wondering why my widget wasn’t there I realized my personal files in my home folder were all of a sudden deleting themselves. I removed the package just kept having these issues and didn’t go away until I reinstalled the os. It did ask for root access on reboot and only typed it in once but kept having some weird system daemon ask for my password on reboot when it didn’t do that before. Reinstalling of course fixed the issue but lost files and important files from it. Not lying either as I just started out on Linux and was a noob, and mainly used the gui until 2016-17 for installing packages on it and navigating the system. My fault as I should have done more research, but never had something like that happened again thankfully. Still using Linux to this day but still duel boot windows and Debian testing. Hopefully things get better in gaming performance which is almost there and can completely switch. Glad this new pc software and hardware section was added. Also used to work at a place called wireless solutions in Mid West City Oklahoma and found this website useful through out the few months I works there, this job I had as a High School student was repairing smartphones mainly iOS and android based devices. Glad to see this forum site continue to grow, it has been a while since I have been on here so not sure when the computing section was added. Also I just created an account recently as when I had this job mainly just went on here as a guest without an account.

I will say Linux seems to usually get a bit better fps and generally better performance over all, on my new hp pavilion eh1070wm laptop. I’m getting off topic so getting off for now as of typing, have a wonderful night if your in CST.