Hello,
I've got HTC HD7 with 02 branding and am running Win XP.
I am desperately trying to access phone's internal memory over USB with no success. I would like to shift data so like used to do it on my old HTC Diamond. And I dont want to use the Zune crap, cause it only allows shifting media files like music and videos...
I mean, WM6, 6.1 and 6.5 had a sperate option (ActiveSync, Memory Access or Internet Sharing) when plugging device to the computer.
Is there any similar app or built-in functionality to do so???
Thanks and regards,
schorschy
schorschy said:
Hello,
I've got HTC HD7 with 02 branding and am running Win XP.
I am desperately trying to access phone's internal memory over USB with no success. I would like to shift data so like used to do it on my old HTC Diamond. And I dont want to use the Zune crap, cause it only allows shifting media files like music and videos...
I mean, WM6, 6.1 and 6.5 had a sperate option (ActiveSync, Memory Access or Internet Sharing) when plugging device to the computer.
Is there any similar app or built-in functionality to do so???
Thanks and regards,
schorschy
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nope, zunes the only option right now.
i really do not understand microsoft... they announced wm7 as something absolutely groundbreaking and there are many functionalities i am missing even in comparison to wm6!!!
i mean, okay, i somehow can understand they removed activesync... but memory access via usb?! or wm6 to wm7 data migration?! i mean, these are basic functionalities every mobile device MUST have...
it really makes me think over about giving back my device...
schorschy said:
i mean, okay, i somehow can understand they removed activesync... but memory access via usb?! or wm6 to wm7 data migration?! i mean, these are basic functionalities every mobile device MUST have...
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I totally disagree, memory access by USB is not a must have function to sell a mobile phone by any means.
What data are you trying to put onto the device that won't be covered by Zune or a Windows Live/Google account etc?
i just think using pda as a memory stick is a very useful functionality... for example, shifting pdf's when being offline or similar...
Microsoft have taken the approach that in order to produce a stable platform, the file system needs to be locked down so that people cannot "tinker" with it. Its a sensible approach if you think about it from that perspective.
If this was such a big thing for you, why didn`t you check before purchasing?
schorschy said:
Hello,
I've got HTC HD7 with 02 branding and am running Win XP.
I am desperately trying to access phone's internal memory over USB with no success. I would like to shift data so like used to do it on my old HTC Diamond. And I dont want to use the Zune crap, cause it only allows shifting media files like music and videos...
I mean, WM6, 6.1 and 6.5 had a sperate option (ActiveSync, Memory Access or Internet Sharing) when plugging device to the computer.
Is there any similar app or built-in functionality to do so???
Thanks and regards,
schorschy
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Well, to each its own, some users TOTALLY DISAGREE with you, while I'm just like you thinking that a new system should be inclusive to all features and capabilities provided by the prior one.
Plus, tinkering with system file? well an 8 GB or 16 GB of storage SHOULD be used the way i Like it, not Locked out as some suggests, at least look ROM files, leaving the rest for the user preferences.
Final word, I TOTALLY AGREE with you about your complaint.
Will
Willy318is said:
Well, to each its own, some users TOTALLY DISAGREE with you, while I'm just like you thinking that a new system should be inclusive to all features and capabilities provided by the prior one.
Plus, tinkering with system file? well an 8 GB or 16 GB of storage SHOULD be used the way i Like it, not Locked out as some suggests, at least look ROM files, leaving the rest for the user preferences.
Final word, I TOTALLY AGREE with you about your complaint.
Will
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Now now Will,
I just have trouble grasping this type of thread - this was all known before launch and before devices were available to buy. But hey, whatever.
I've just bought a HD7 too, and I have to admit to being absolutely gutted. Admittedly I didn't do too much research into it before getting it but I just assumed that being a windows mobile device it would be reasonably friendly with windows on my desktop computer. I've been tinkering with zunes to get my old pictures and music onto the phone but it's just ghastly.
Chances are I'll ditch it and get an android methinks. Real shame because I used to love my old HD2.
admittedly, i didn't research on this phone before getting it... just because i trusted the plattform - wm6.1 and wm6.5 were stable enough... however, after getting the device, i must say it's nothing for "tweaker", but a pure media consumption system. and thats why i hate it - fancy layers, nice optics, easy-to-use apps, but... zero funtionality. using it makes me feel i'm a little schoolgirl wearing a pink t-shirt.
gonna give it back and get hd2. the lesson i learnt for the second time (after getting fresh-presented htc diamond touch in 2008):
it's better to have an older device with mature os and application landscape than to have the latest device with lots of "fancy" stuff!
never do the same mistake again... thanks to all for replies and warm greetings from germany!
For goodness sake, it was so well trailed that MS would make WP7 a locked down system it would have taken hardly any research to find it out. I wish I had the cash to purchase £500 smartphones with little or no research up front. There is nothing wrong with wanting to tweak etc. but to do so, get an android device, a WM6.5 device, a jail broken iPhone or wait until someone "jailbreaks" WP7. Sheesh it's like saying "OMG I bought a Toyota and am so disappointed to find it isn't a Ford"
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For goodness sake, it was so well trailed that MS would make WP7 a locked down system it would have taken hardly any research to find it out. I wish I had the cash to purchase £500 smartphones with little or no research up front. There is nothing wrong with wanting to tweak etc. but to do so, get an android device, a WM6.5 device, a jail broken iPhone or wait until someone "jailbreaks" WP7. Sheesh it's like saying "OMG I bought a Toyota and am so disappointed to find it isn't a Ford"
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Exactly.
Also there is a reason the product is called Windows Phone 7 and not Windows Mobile 7. I noticed its referred to as Windows Mobile 7 a lot in this thread.
Am I mistaken or didn't MS say they would still maintain updates to the old wm6.5 os as a side project?
also how can anyone say zune is ghastly? its easily the best media organizer there is 100times better than itunes and as for android i had a desire and the syncing was so basic and naff. Another good thing with zune is the music organization, look at itunes and getting album art it is dire. Zune on the other hand is easy as pie and if you cant find it in the library even a 5yo could use the manual edit tool. With Zune everything has the right name album art etc my itunes (i have a mac mini in my living room connected to my tv) is about 80% the rest is to messy to be bothered with. I found when syncing with my desire hardly any artwork came through and the media folders where dire to navigate (this is a biggie as i use it to play music in my car)
I think the thing here is as stated before, the facts are out there this phone is what it is. It is not a win 6.5 update it is a separate mobile os. The features it has are are far beyond anything else out there but if you want something that does something else then buy something else. You don't buy a toaster to fry chips.
+1 On the Zune is excellent front....awesome software
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You don't buy a toaster to fry chips.
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That's a late night half-drunk/half-stoned experiment just begging to be done... where's my toaster?
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Before anyone mentions it, I am aware TCPMP is the preferred media player for a lot of folks. I am not a big fan, as it requires me to spend a lot more time converting Playlists and MP3 files (so I can trim down my home preference for 256kbps MP3 -> something smaller for on-the-go)
And... I am supposed to get these features out of the box with what I have already paid for and installed, however, I have been fighting with Windows Media Player syncing for 3 nights now.
I think the gist is that the sync is taking forever and keeps losing a connection part of the way into the sync. I used to have this happen with XP under several different permutations of Active sync and WMP but figured WM6 and Vista would have corrected this issue.
So it has not, and to try and get things moving, I thought why don't I just copy over my files from my old flash cards (since they were already converted to 160kbps wma). Still doesn't help as even though the song is on the flash card WMP still goes through the conversion step before checking to see if the song is already on the device. So I am stuck wating for over 700 songs to be "reconverted".
In addition, the few songs I mistakenly purchased via WMP in the pre Urge days pops up a rights prompt on my mobile device asking if I want to download the license. Clicking yes brings me to a web page that shows a button to validate "I already own this song" that can not be clicked!!!!
I mapped some buttons in WMP Mobile, and now when I try to navigate to the start menu with the buttons, the dPad up and down let me walk the menu items, but clicking the center button does nothing, as WMP will not transfer control of this button to the OS.
And, as if this isn't enough already, in the new WM6 version, you still can not navigate the library tree using the dpad, you must use the stylis, how funnoying!!!
Shouldn't MS be able to get this right??? How many iterations of both the PC and WM versions of this software have they made and I still can not do something so simple as to select a list of playlist to be synced and have it ork!!!!! It's no wonder Apple is kicking their butt. I am not a big fan of iTunes/iPods, but at least they work!!!
Is this just par for the course? Shouldn't we expect these programs to work out of the box as advertised?
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Could Windows Media Player get any worse???
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In a word, yes, it could.
Don't know if it will though. How was this program advertized to work out of the box? I have read nothing about that.
Use Window Mobile Device Center instead to transfer your files. You mention something or other about playlists but I can't figure out what you mean or how you want it to work, but I hope you find an app that can do all that for you, to replace WMP.
The phone works great for me. Just think outside the box a little and stop relying on WMP to do so much work for you if you don't like the way it does it. Apple has a way of making products that have a WOW effect, but which will show severe limitations after the initial thrill wears off. TyTN II is much better in ways of customization, flexibility and features if you take the time to tweak and adjust stuff.
Dunno about playlists, but I just drag and drop mp3s over to the sd card using a card reader. No activesync file size issues, converting issues, ect. Heck, AT&T says the tilt can handle up to a 32 gig sd card, so why shrink them?
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Before anyone mentions it, I am aware TCPMP is the preferred media player for a lot of folks. I am not a big fan, as it requires me to spend a lot more time converting Playlists and MP3 files (so I can trim down my home preference for 256kbps MP3 -> something smaller for on-the-go)
And... I am supposed to get these features out of the box with what I have already paid for and installed, however, I have been fighting with Windows Media Player syncing for 3 nights now.
I think the gist is that the sync is taking forever and keeps losing a connection part of the way into the sync. I used to have this happen with XP under several different permutations of Active sync and WMP but figured WM6 and Vista would have corrected this issue.
So it has not, and to try and get things moving, I thought why don't I just copy over my files from my old flash cards (since they were already converted to 160kbps wma). Still doesn't help as even though the song is on the flash card WMP still goes through the conversion step before checking to see if the song is already on the device. So I am stuck wating for over 700 songs to be "reconverted".
In addition, the few songs I mistakenly purchased via WMP in the pre Urge days pops up a rights prompt on my mobile device asking if I want to download the license. Clicking yes brings me to a web page that shows a button to validate "I already own this song" that can not be clicked!!!!
I mapped some buttons in WMP Mobile, and now when I try to navigate to the start menu with the buttons, the dPad up and down let me walk the menu items, but clicking the center button does nothing, as WMP will not transfer control of this button to the OS.
And, as if this isn't enough already, in the new WM6 version, you still can not navigate the library tree using the dpad, you must use the stylis, how funnoying!!!
Shouldn't MS be able to get this right??? How many iterations of both the PC and WM versions of this software have they made and I still can not do something so simple as to select a list of playlist to be synced and have it ork!!!!! It's no wonder Apple is kicking their butt. I am not a big fan of iTunes/iPods, but at least they work!!!
Is this just par for the course? Shouldn't we expect these programs to work out of the box as advertised?
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You're absolutely right, WMP mobile sucks in every which way. Don't let the purists tell you otherwise and if they do, suggest they try playing the same media file with HTC audio Player and compare the memory usage between them! WMP is on its Nth iteration, its part of Windows Mobile core applications and it still bites, how could this possibly be? I guess it's right up there with Microsoft's battery draining implementation of RIM/Blackberry push email.
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You're absolutely right, WMP mobile sucks in every which way. Don't let the purists tell you otherwise and if they do, suggest they try playing the same media file with HTC audio Player and compare the memory usage between them! WMP is on its Nth iteration, its part of Windows Mobile core applications and it still bites, how could this possibly be? I guess it's right up there with Microsoft's battery draining implementation of RIM/Blackberry push email.
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Don't go pointing fingers at push e-mail for battery drain. I would look at for ISA server/NAT/Firewall for the battery issue. You most likely have the HTTP(s) timeout set too low. It is set too low by default on all of these solutions. So you have to manually change it. That WILL dramatically lower the battery consumption of push e-mail.
Here is some more information; http://support.microsoft.com/kb/905013
activesync battery timeout direct push active sync exchange isa firewall
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Don't go pointing fingers at push e-mail for battery drain. I would look at for ISA server/NAT/Firewall for the battery issue. You most likely have the HTTP(s) timeout set too low. It is set too low by default on all of these solutions. So you have to manually change it. That WILL dramatically lower the battery consumption of push e-mail.
Here is some more information; http://support.microsoft.com/kb/905013
activesync battery timeout direct push active sync exchange isa firewall
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Yay, registry tweaks for understaffed , overworked and underpaid IT departments. Here is some light reading for you as well: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=5915
The part where he says Microsoft's pings cost you 12 Mb a month and where RIM solutions get you 12 days of battery life is particularly interesting
Jim_R said:
Dunno about playlists, but I just drag and drop mp3s over to the sd card using a card reader. No activesync file size issues, converting issues, ect.
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That's what I do. The easiest way.
Jim_R said:
Heck, AT&T says the tilt can handle up to a 32 gig sd card, so why shrink them?
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Holy crap! Are they serious, or is that market speak for "about 8 gig really"?
Yes, WMP sucks. It doesn't save my playlists, bugs trying to do so and often loses playlists due to common error and requires me a few minutes to fix and a few hours to recover.
However TCPMP stops playback when I close the screen and I hate it just for that.
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Holy crap! Are they serious, or is that market speak for "about 8 gig really"?
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What this means is that the Kaiser/Tilt is compatible with the SDHC format. The biggest capacity the SDHC format will ever be will be 32gb, however, the biggest one that even exists right now is 8 gb, and the biggest one that you can actually buy is 6 gb. Don't expect a 32 gb micro sd card anytime in the near future.
By the time micro sd cards reach 32 gb, I'm guessing the SDHC protocol will be old news anyway.
borealcool said:
Yay, registry tweaks for understaffed , overworked and underpaid IT departments. Here is some light reading for you as well: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=5915
The part where he says Microsoft's pings cost you 12 Mb a month and where RIM solutions get you 12 days of battery life is particularly interesting
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It's not a registry tweak. In this case it is a simple setting in ISA. There are registry tweaks as well, but most are covered in updates.
12 Mb is okay with me, our data is unlimited. So it is much cheaper then BB.
Later, Lew
I've just installed Microsoft Vista and find it a very nice operating system.
For my phone I had to install the Vista version of ActiveSync, I paired up my phone with that prorgam and it worked flawlessly.
But what FU#[email protected]% idiot has made an option to overwrite the phone data with that of outlook WITHOUT asking a deletion approval.
When installing software on my Vista machine askes me several time if I'm sure.... But that louwsy program just deletes everything without even asking.
Fortunately, I was just a merely 250 contacts that I've completely lost since my backup was lost due to the Vista installation.....
Normally the contacts would be in the deleted messages box, but since I've turned of that option I completely lost everything...
BASTARDS !!!!!!
(Sorry for that.)
I'm going outside now and break something....
Hope that'll release my frustration..
****ING BASTARDS AT MICROSOFT
IDIOTS
HOPE THEY ALL GO TO HELL FOR THIS
(Sorry again).
hahaha
It happened to me several times cuz I always reflash my PDA and format my laptop.. I decided to save them in Microsoft's servers and add them to Messenger live contacts
When you pair your devices the MOBILE DEVICE CENTER is asking you how you want your data synchronized: replacing on mobile device, replacing on pc or combining! I guess you haven't paid attention! Even after you paired your devices you can change this options in the settings.
yikes, im sorry about that. Also happened to me not too long ago except on XP when I deleted the contacts on my phone. I resynced hoping that phone contacts would be restored, but instead stupid activesync deleted all the contacts off outlook even though AS was set to "replace items on device"!
Thankfully, all my contacts were moved to the "Deleted Items" folder, and I could restore them! (hit ctrl-6 when in outlook) I hope this helps.
Ross
Microsoft needs to make Vista Windows compatible.
After this happened to me twice I started to backup my contacts regularly with PIM Backup...
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After this happened to me twice I started to backup my contacts regularly with PIM Backup...
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damn straight! best program i've ever used. by backing up to a memory card once/twice daily you cant really go 'wrong' as such!
now, if only it was a 'requirement' for all cooked roms!
sorry to hear about your loss. lol. i very nearly lost my ENTIRE MSN messenger contact list (comprising of some 400+ contacts) but luckily i had 'tried' WLM on my smartphone before hand and it had synced them to that!
WLM is weird in the only sense that it will delete from both your phone and from your messenger list!
go back to XP Pro.
Vista is crap.
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Microsoft needs to make Vista Windows compatible.
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MistaRip said:
go back to XP Pro.
Vista is crap.
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Service Pack 1 set for early next year. Looks like it'll fix a lot of stuff.
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Service Pack 1 set for early next year. Looks like it'll fix a lot of stuff.
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Typically one should never upgrade a Micky$ OS until SP1 is released, XP and W2k are both great examples. My biggest complaints are USB and network speed when copying data... just today went back to XP on my Thinkpad... just SO much easier when dealing with PDA's... (more importantly, my version of Ghost Server won't live under Vista... that's a deal closer for me... and screw Virtual PC and such, no time or desire)
Here is My 2 cents worth:
Windows 95 was a huge improvement over Windows 3.1. --- Excellent Job!!!!
Windows 98 was just a suckier version of Windows 95.
Windows Millenium Edition ME totally sucked. I fell for it. They got my $100.00 ----- ripped me off.
However Windows XP really hummed. --- Excellent Job!!!!
Windows Vista is just a suckier version of Windows XP.
Windows Vista = ME2 Only this time they're Not getting my $100.00
Thats just my Opinion.
Stick with XP Pro...............................(I can hear Mac users saying "get a Mac")
Mac is not a solution - it limits just about anything you want to do with the computer. IMHO Win XP offers much more in terms of available software and hardware compatibility (even over Vista).
I agree Mac is Not an answer. I got a supervisor at work always telling me how much better a Mac is. I never agree with him.
My Laptop has a door on the side where you can slide out the HDD. I have 3 Hard Drives.
1 has Linux -- can't begin to figure that one out.
2 has XP -- its my Old Faithful. Tried and True. The one I use.
3 has Vista Ultimate -- slmgr -rearm every 30 days. Testing it. It really does suck.
PIM Backup is the best!
Sorry to hear. I use intellisync to sync my data. I sync some stuff from lotus notes and some stuff from outlook. But the main reason i use intellisync is because before it does anything it prompts you with a dialog and tells you what it is about to do. Then I can go ahead or cancel or re sync everything.
I've tried other products and they didn't prompt and I've spent hours cleaning up duplicate entry's after the first sync.
Right now I'm having a few probs with intellisync though and am working with their support to figure it out. But its still one of the best sync programs I know of.
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I've just installed Microsoft Vista and find it a very nice operating system.
For my phone I had to install the Vista version of ActiveSync, I paired up my phone with that prorgam and it worked flawlessly.
But what FU#[email protected]% idiot has made an option to overwrite the phone data with that of outlook WITHOUT asking a deletion approval.
When installing software on my Vista machine askes me several time if I'm sure.... But that louwsy program just deletes everything without even asking.
Fortunately, I was just a merely 250 contacts that I've completely lost since my backup was lost due to the Vista installation.....
Normally the contacts would be in the deleted messages box, but since I've turned of that option I completely lost everything...
BASTARDS !!!!!!
(Sorry for that.)
I'm going outside now and break something....
Hope that'll release my frustration..
****ING BASTARDS AT MICROSOFT
IDIOTS
HOPE THEY ALL GO TO HELL FOR THIS
(Sorry again).
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I just had the EXACT same thing happen to me. Its a good thing I had a "not too old" backup saved to the Airset Website. Otherwise I would have been TOTALLY screwed.
yep i know how you feel, had the same thing happen on my Magician and on the Hermes and more times than i can remember on the Nokia suite previous to that (believe it or not its worse than Activesync).
as for Vista im running it on the home laptop (it came with it) it is quite a shiny OS and considering the amount of surveys and control groups microsoft apparently did to perfect it (or finish it) its surprising there wasnt one Pocket PC user that said "hey you know that over write function in activesync..." unless there was and they didnt listen.
It wasn't Vista that caused the problem...
Personally I like Vista, the only thing I find crap is that you have to approve every program to run. It's great for security, but really crap If you play WOW, everytime the answer is yes, Vista won't remember it.
And someone mentioned that there is a choice how to sync.
That's correct, but when you pair your device it's kinda hidden in extra options I believe, I've found the button now. Still lost my contacts.
I find it really absurd that there isn't any message or approval question on the device. I think it would be nicer to let the program ask what data to keep what data to lose, if I setup syncing with data from the computer It will overwrite telephonenumber I've changed in the phone.
But I think I have got my contact almost complete again. It's a shame that I lost the phonenumbers that I pickup with te red button (ignore) or wiggle the scrollwheel up and down (silence).
So I was using WMP on my Tilt and noticed that when I started listening to music my free program memory tanked to less then 5% free. I've tested this many times now and it does it everytime. After a few minutes, the free memory will increase slightly.
Can anybody else try this and confirm for me if this is an issue across all Tilts?
To test, record your free program memory before openign WMP. Then open WMP, play a song, then check the free program memory. If it's kiek mine, you will see that shoot up from around 35-40% up to +90% load.
Well I did find this shortly after posting, so it appears to be an issue will all Tilts (or WM6 devices in general). Sory for the Google Cached page, the real site wouldn't come up for some reason.
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:i2YZurIOVBIJ:https://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsMobile/ShowPost.aspx%3FPostID%3D2385809%26SiteID%3D65+wmp+11+mobile+uses+program+memory&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
This is a problem with WMP - not your Kaiser. If you try another player such as CorePlayer, you'll notice it uses far less RAM. Once again - shame on Microsoft for shipping a buggy and inferior product. I actually like WMP and I hate having multiple anything on my phone (media players, browsers, etc) but Microsoft needs to do better internally if they want to compete with devices like the iPhone long-term.
MJB
WMP uses a buffer (FIFO) for playing, the only available storage it has is internal memory.. This is a portable device so the developers of CE kernal thought that if you are watching a video on it that you would not REALLY be doing anything else!
Ergo..what mem is not in use, can be auto associated for buffer.
Hope this gives you an idea of Win CE kernal (base of all WM code).
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If you try another player such as CorePlayer, you'll notice it uses far less RAM.
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Core does everything so right, it makes you wonder how wmp mobile can be so wrong. Sux since I agree about the anti-mulitple apps comment...
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Core does everything so right, it makes you wonder how wmp mobile can be so wrong. Sux since I agree about the anti-mulitple apps comment...
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I agree, it's all to do with back compatability of prior CE WM applications and poor MS upgrades to the kernal!!!
I seriously think MS are just giving us basic apps to fulfill standard tasks, hoping that 3rd party people will improve it!
And YES, it's happening, look at Coreplayer!...
i agree with you all. I wish I could use the default apps, but they suck. I understand MS only giving the user the bare bones stuff but com'on, at least make it work without eating up every ounce of memory.
Anyways, sorry for the MS flame but this issue and many others have been the same thru 3 versions of windows mobile. when will they actually take the time to re-write this stuff. Quit adding new functions, fix the old broken ones. There I go again flaming MS. I've been in the IT biz for nearly 20 years, and using MS products the whole time. By now I should be over the 'MS sucks" stuff..
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i agree with you all. I wish I could use the default apps, but they suck. I understand MS only giving the user the bare bones stuff but com'on, at least make it work without eating up every ounce of memory.
Anyways, sorry for the MS flame but this issue and many others have been the same thru 3 versions of windows mobile. when will they actually take the time to re-write this stuff. Quit adding new functions, fix the old broken ones. There I go again flaming MS. I've been in the IT biz for nearly 20 years, and using MS products the whole time. By now I should be over the 'MS sucks" stuff..
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NO, I fully agree with you. If MS gave us JUST a WM player that was broad aspect on file playability AND an IE that could link to most AV content around on the web at the moment, EVERYONE would be more than happy.
Trouble is, MS HOPED that every web site would make a duplicate mobile one....WON"T HAPPEN!!
Microsoft, get your act together and give us some GOOD surfing software...PLEASE!!!
The title says it all. Maybe one of the board members can play with it and create something worth installing.
you can download it here
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=79f19684-f862-4e02-a2b0-0003b4565f34&DisplayLang=en
Finally! Been waiting on this forever! Also, Live Anywhere which they promised a while back!
I do a monthly geek dinner thing where a microsoft person or two come in. One of them is really into the mobile scene. I'll ask her what she has heard/seen so far the next time I see her.
Kyle
installed and working on Diamond rom V4. it is excellent like a remote control for your pc. i am very happy with it i can see many many things will be done with this. exciting stuff.
Chem E Sam said:
installed and working on Diamond rom V4. it is excellent like a remote control for your pc. i am very happy with it i can see many many things will be done with this. exciting stuff.
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can you post it please ?im on my pda atm
edit * NVM got it
Sounds Sweet!
I'll check it out...
Vista Required
Nogo on XP Pro. Requirements call for Vista or Server 2008. Might be a service driver that could be used from Vista in XP, but not sure about that.
Awesome. I have been waiting for this for some time now. It would be nice for everyone if there was mirror link posted. Also if the mods could move this to the correct section it would be great too, such as the software section.
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Thanks guys
***Another Edit
Here is a mirror for everyone
odic said:
Nogo on XP Pro. Requirements call for Vista or Server 2008. Might be a service driver that could be used from Vista in XP, but not sure about that.
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SideShow is a feature of Windows Vista and it has not been, and probably will never be, ported to older Windows versions due to underlying differences in the operating systems, driver models etc.
Such a shame this is only bluetooth, other sideshow devices utlise wifi.
Still cool to finally get it though.
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Such a shame this is only bluetooth, other sideshow devices utlise wifi.
Still cool to finally get it though.
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It's still in its very early stages, so it may eventually get there and offer wifi support (Salling Clicker does it so MS definitely should be able to get it running).
I couldn't get it to work on my pavillion laptop (dv9700t)...it keeps saying 'can't connect' from the software. Yet, I can see it briefly connect then disconnect on my laptop. Oh well, back to salling clicker....
Windows SideShow for Windows Mobile Beta: Screenshot Tour
Hey Guys. This group has always had the most intense members of the Windows Mobile community and been a place where I can always count on learning something new.
I wanted to make sure everyone knew about the Windows SideShow for Windows Mobile Beta.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...84-f862-4e02-a2b0-0003b4565f34&displaylang=en
I have a screenshot tour if anyone is interested:
http://www.cjcraft.com/blog/2008/06...ndowsMobileBetaSeeTheScreenshotTourFirst.aspx
My goal to make something that people get a feel for the product and its possibilities.
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Thanks,
Chris Craft
Windows Mobile Device Application Development MVP
http://www.cjcraft.com/blog/
InGeNeTiCs said:
I couldn't get it to work on my pavillion laptop (dv9700t)...it keeps saying 'can't connect' from the software. Yet, I can see it briefly connect then disconnect on my laptop. Oh well, back to salling clicker....
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make sure u follow the installation instruction carefully, and keep trying to connect afterwards. took me a while to get it to work, but it's definitely blows salling clicker out of the water, being it's at a preview stage.... sure has potentials
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Hey Guys. This group has always had the most intense members of the Windows Mobile community and been a place where I can always count on learning something new.
I wanted to make sure everyone knew about the Windows SideShow for Windows Mobile Beta.
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This is a really neat idea in theory. I just found out about this the other day when Woot had a picture frame for sale that supported SideShow.
I found it much more useful for a device like a dumb terminal picture frame. It could allow you not to just show pictures, but overlay the weather, RSS feeds, e-mail notifications, and even stream music to the frame.
Although I like that it is being supported for WM devices, I don't really see too many advantages of the current widgets/gadgets/whatever that are out there.
A WM phone is already a powerful device that has outlook, media player, office mobile (including power point) that having to stream these as a sideshow to the device seems redundant. I'm sure some plugins will come around that are very innovative, but I don't really see the use other than novelty right now.
The advantage I see would be for developers to write just a sideshow app that can run on many platforms and not just tied to vista.
For instance a sideshow app for Windows Media Center that would allow you to turn your phone into a powerful remote for WMC.
I don't know if 2008 supports sideshow yet, but if they add it in I could see a HUGE benefit of having a server monitoring sideshow that I could connect to remotely. I could keep track of servers remotely and perform some common tasks via the sideshow.
These are the types of things I'd like to see eventually.
This was posted in the general thread, but I see this one is more active so I will post my comments here as well.
This is a really neat idea in theory. I just found out about this the other day when Woot had a picture frame for sale that supported SideShow.
I found it much more useful for a device like a dumb terminal picture frame. It could allow you not to just show pictures, but overlay the weather, RSS feeds, e-mail notifications, and even stream music to the frame.
Although I like that it is being supported for WM devices, I don't really see too many advantages of the current widgets/gadgets/whatever that are out there.
A WM phone is already a powerful device that has outlook, media player, office mobile (including power point) that having to stream these as a sideshow to the device seems redundant. I'm sure some plugins will come around that are very innovative, but I don't really see the use other than novelty right now.
The advantage I see would be for developers to write just a sideshow app that can run on many platforms and not just tied to vista.
For instance a sideshow app for Windows Media Center that would allow you to turn your phone into a powerful remote for WMC.
I don't know if 2008 supports sideshow yet, but if they add it in I could see a HUGE benefit of having a server monitoring sideshow that I could connect to remotely. I could keep track of servers remotely and perform some common tasks via the sideshow.
These are the types of things I'd like to see eventually.
That had to posted by an M$ employee
This is cool
I am giving this a shot on my Tilt with the L26 diamond v5 rom. I paired my phone with my Vista business pc and connected right away. Some of the other gadgets you can install are pointless. Gmail viewer? LOL. All you can do is view the mail... so you have to walk back over to the pc and check it anyway. The media player gadget is the best... I could actually see me using this for a party or social gathering where I can control all the tunes from my phone. I COULD NOT get the picture viewer to work!!! When I downloaded the .msi file I got the error "This application is not a valid install fie" or something of that nature.
Any ideas on that one?
i still can't get the bloody thing to work.
in my experiance of it you need to be using microsoft bluetooth stack/drivers, widcom broadcom, toshiba or blueseil dont work, which is a pain because windows bluetooth drivers are very limited as to what else they do, if anybody gets this working with bluesoeil drivers let me know
Is there possible software out there in the form of our cab install files that are spyware? Is it possible for people to see what we are doing in our phones and pocketpcpdas? like a logging tracking type of software imbeded in our device which tells people what we are doing? what we are downloading..etc..etc..just like how the government can listen to our phone calls. Are possibley our favorite applications such as microsoft live/live search ot tomTom7 tracking software which is telling companies or the government what we are doing on our devices? like how Skyfire can log what you are doing with their web browser through their servers...
....just wanted to know if its possible and has anybody heard of such things
There have been trojans in the wild for pocket pc - the Brador.A trojan did open a backdoor exploit to allow remote access to a device. And there have been other nasty things for Palm.
But, they've been really rare, and mostly proof of concept kind of things. I'd say the far greater risk is that, if you use *.exe installers from your desktop or laptop to put software on your mobile, that the desktop or laptop could become infected by something seeded in the *.exe file.
So, always scan any installers, ideally as you download (ie. with and AV app integrated with your browser, like Norton) before you execute them. When docked to your PC, you can also scan your mobile - I use Vista on one of my machines at home, and dock my Tilt to it without setting it up, so it's just like any other mass storage device. Norton will scan it like any other drive or storage device.
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Is there possible software out there in the form of our cab install files that are spyware? Is it possible for people to see what we are doing in our phones and pocketpcpdas? like a logging tracking type of software imbeded in our device which tells people what we are doing? what we are downloading..etc..etc..just like how the government can listen to our phone calls. Are possibley our favorite applications such as microsoft live/live search ot tomTom7 tracking software which is telling companies or the government what we are doing on our devices? like how Skyfire can log what you are doing with their web browser through their servers...
....just wanted to know if its possible and has anybody heard of such things
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While this is not "spyware" it certainly does what spyware would do - right? report without your knowing it what the phone user was doing?
http://www.pocketpc-live.com/pocketpc-softwares/ultimate-theft-alert-v3-for-pocket-pcs.html
Bill
Yep... but usually it's yourself installing that thing so I wouldn't qualify it as spyware...
Unless someone grabs your phone from you and installs the software against you without you knowing it
Anything is possible when you put your mind to it. I bet if you talked to enough coders you'd find one that would help you write Spyware.
Possible? Yes. Probable? No.
o ok..just wanted to get some general knowledgeon this subject cuz i would hate to have to worry about trojans on my pda maaan.
moegdaog said:
o ok..just wanted to get some general knowledgeon this subject cuz i would hate to have to worry about trojans on my pda maaan.
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Now - Let's say that you were oh say Chinese - and that you knew that LOTS of foreigners were coming over for say - oh - a lot of games - would you PAY someone to put spyware on their phones?
hmmmm. . . MAYBE...
Just a thought...
Bill