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Could Windows Media Player get any worse???

Before anyone mentions it, I am aware TCPMP is the preferred media player for a lot of folks. I am not a big fan, as it requires me to spend a lot more time converting Playlists and MP3 files (so I can trim down my home preference for 256kbps MP3 -> something smaller for on-the-go)
And... I am supposed to get these features out of the box with what I have already paid for and installed, however, I have been fighting with Windows Media Player syncing for 3 nights now.
I think the gist is that the sync is taking forever and keeps losing a connection part of the way into the sync. I used to have this happen with XP under several different permutations of Active sync and WMP but figured WM6 and Vista would have corrected this issue.
So it has not, and to try and get things moving, I thought why don't I just copy over my files from my old flash cards (since they were already converted to 160kbps wma). Still doesn't help as even though the song is on the flash card WMP still goes through the conversion step before checking to see if the song is already on the device. So I am stuck wating for over 700 songs to be "reconverted".
In addition, the few songs I mistakenly purchased via WMP in the pre Urge days pops up a rights prompt on my mobile device asking if I want to download the license. Clicking yes brings me to a web page that shows a button to validate "I already own this song" that can not be clicked!!!!
I mapped some buttons in WMP Mobile, and now when I try to navigate to the start menu with the buttons, the dPad up and down let me walk the menu items, but clicking the center button does nothing, as WMP will not transfer control of this button to the OS.
And, as if this isn't enough already, in the new WM6 version, you still can not navigate the library tree using the dpad, you must use the stylis, how funnoying!!!
Shouldn't MS be able to get this right??? How many iterations of both the PC and WM versions of this software have they made and I still can not do something so simple as to select a list of playlist to be synced and have it ork!!!!! It's no wonder Apple is kicking their butt. I am not a big fan of iTunes/iPods, but at least they work!!!
Is this just par for the course? Shouldn't we expect these programs to work out of the box as advertised?

jgermuga said:
Could Windows Media Player get any worse???
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In a word, yes, it could.
Don't know if it will though. How was this program advertized to work out of the box? I have read nothing about that.
Use Window Mobile Device Center instead to transfer your files. You mention something or other about playlists but I can't figure out what you mean or how you want it to work, but I hope you find an app that can do all that for you, to replace WMP.
The phone works great for me. Just think outside the box a little and stop relying on WMP to do so much work for you if you don't like the way it does it. Apple has a way of making products that have a WOW effect, but which will show severe limitations after the initial thrill wears off. TyTN II is much better in ways of customization, flexibility and features if you take the time to tweak and adjust stuff.

Dunno about playlists, but I just drag and drop mp3s over to the sd card using a card reader. No activesync file size issues, converting issues, ect. Heck, AT&T says the tilt can handle up to a 32 gig sd card, so why shrink them?

jgermuga said:
Before anyone mentions it, I am aware TCPMP is the preferred media player for a lot of folks. I am not a big fan, as it requires me to spend a lot more time converting Playlists and MP3 files (so I can trim down my home preference for 256kbps MP3 -> something smaller for on-the-go)
And... I am supposed to get these features out of the box with what I have already paid for and installed, however, I have been fighting with Windows Media Player syncing for 3 nights now.
I think the gist is that the sync is taking forever and keeps losing a connection part of the way into the sync. I used to have this happen with XP under several different permutations of Active sync and WMP but figured WM6 and Vista would have corrected this issue.
So it has not, and to try and get things moving, I thought why don't I just copy over my files from my old flash cards (since they were already converted to 160kbps wma). Still doesn't help as even though the song is on the flash card WMP still goes through the conversion step before checking to see if the song is already on the device. So I am stuck wating for over 700 songs to be "reconverted".
In addition, the few songs I mistakenly purchased via WMP in the pre Urge days pops up a rights prompt on my mobile device asking if I want to download the license. Clicking yes brings me to a web page that shows a button to validate "I already own this song" that can not be clicked!!!!
I mapped some buttons in WMP Mobile, and now when I try to navigate to the start menu with the buttons, the dPad up and down let me walk the menu items, but clicking the center button does nothing, as WMP will not transfer control of this button to the OS.
And, as if this isn't enough already, in the new WM6 version, you still can not navigate the library tree using the dpad, you must use the stylis, how funnoying!!!
Shouldn't MS be able to get this right??? How many iterations of both the PC and WM versions of this software have they made and I still can not do something so simple as to select a list of playlist to be synced and have it ork!!!!! It's no wonder Apple is kicking their butt. I am not a big fan of iTunes/iPods, but at least they work!!!
Is this just par for the course? Shouldn't we expect these programs to work out of the box as advertised?
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You're absolutely right, WMP mobile sucks in every which way. Don't let the purists tell you otherwise and if they do, suggest they try playing the same media file with HTC audio Player and compare the memory usage between them! WMP is on its Nth iteration, its part of Windows Mobile core applications and it still bites, how could this possibly be? I guess it's right up there with Microsoft's battery draining implementation of RIM/Blackberry push email.

borealcool said:
You're absolutely right, WMP mobile sucks in every which way. Don't let the purists tell you otherwise and if they do, suggest they try playing the same media file with HTC audio Player and compare the memory usage between them! WMP is on its Nth iteration, its part of Windows Mobile core applications and it still bites, how could this possibly be? I guess it's right up there with Microsoft's battery draining implementation of RIM/Blackberry push email.
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Don't go pointing fingers at push e-mail for battery drain. I would look at for ISA server/NAT/Firewall for the battery issue. You most likely have the HTTP(s) timeout set too low. It is set too low by default on all of these solutions. So you have to manually change it. That WILL dramatically lower the battery consumption of push e-mail.
Here is some more information; http://support.microsoft.com/kb/905013
activesync battery timeout direct push active sync exchange isa firewall

lewcamino said:
Don't go pointing fingers at push e-mail for battery drain. I would look at for ISA server/NAT/Firewall for the battery issue. You most likely have the HTTP(s) timeout set too low. It is set too low by default on all of these solutions. So you have to manually change it. That WILL dramatically lower the battery consumption of push e-mail.
Here is some more information; http://support.microsoft.com/kb/905013
activesync battery timeout direct push active sync exchange isa firewall
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Yay, registry tweaks for understaffed , overworked and underpaid IT departments. Here is some light reading for you as well: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=5915
The part where he says Microsoft's pings cost you 12 Mb a month and where RIM solutions get you 12 days of battery life is particularly interesting

Jim_R said:
Dunno about playlists, but I just drag and drop mp3s over to the sd card using a card reader. No activesync file size issues, converting issues, ect.
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That's what I do. The easiest way.
Jim_R said:
Heck, AT&T says the tilt can handle up to a 32 gig sd card, so why shrink them?
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Holy crap! Are they serious, or is that market speak for "about 8 gig really"?

Yes, WMP sucks. It doesn't save my playlists, bugs trying to do so and often loses playlists due to common error and requires me a few minutes to fix and a few hours to recover.
However TCPMP stops playback when I close the screen and I hate it just for that.

Mr.Clark said:
Holy crap! Are they serious, or is that market speak for "about 8 gig really"?
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What this means is that the Kaiser/Tilt is compatible with the SDHC format. The biggest capacity the SDHC format will ever be will be 32gb, however, the biggest one that even exists right now is 8 gb, and the biggest one that you can actually buy is 6 gb. Don't expect a 32 gb micro sd card anytime in the near future.
By the time micro sd cards reach 32 gb, I'm guessing the SDHC protocol will be old news anyway.

borealcool said:
Yay, registry tweaks for understaffed , overworked and underpaid IT departments. Here is some light reading for you as well: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=5915
The part where he says Microsoft's pings cost you 12 Mb a month and where RIM solutions get you 12 days of battery life is particularly interesting
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It's not a registry tweak. In this case it is a simple setting in ISA. There are registry tweaks as well, but most are covered in updates.
12 Mb is okay with me, our data is unlimited. So it is much cheaper then BB.
Later, Lew

Is your Kaiser gruesomely slow?

If it is, then other than the missing drivers, then the chances are that either a subset of Kaisers, or roms, or third party apps are causing some devices to be a LOT slower than others.
There are people claiming that their devices take three seconds to change orientation. They also claim that you can actually see the icons being "drawn" on the screen.
As a happy Kaiser owner, I have never experienced anything like that (except when syncing over USB - when the device pretty much stops responding for the first few seconds of syncing and then returns to normal.
Changing to landscape on mine take approx 0.3 seconds (I say approx as its too quick to actually time).
Now I made a horrible error. I tried to point out to the defensive people over on the classaction thread that if their device was really that bad, they could try a different rom and see if that makes their device better. I didnt argue that "the" drivers weren;t missing or that their devices would be fine without them. All I did was try to get some research to see if there was an obvious group of devices or roms or apps that was causing the problem.
If like me, you prefer to sort these things out - rather than wait for a year for a class action - then try the benchmarking test in my sig and post your results and rom details. Hopefully, we can find the cause of the major differences in performance.
My device scored 1643 overall.

He's right, people should start blaming the device for everything. Bring back the days when you'd clean up your device when you'd feel it being slow.
Mine is in 1680 or so as well.

Unwired 4,
Can you perhaps provide a detailed list of all the applications you have on your phone?
I ask you this because I don't have alot of apps on my phone; mainly Googlemaps, livesearch, TCPMP, Dutty 1 calc, HTC Album, Opera mini and Palringo.
I don't have any SPB products clogging up my today screen with its numerous shortcuts. I haven't tweaked my clock appearance and I'm using the original windows blue background on my today screen.
My phone looks pretty similar to when it was bought yet I have noticed a lag, even when it comes to changing the screen orientation from portrait to landscape. It takes roughly one second. Sometimes opening an application takes forever, and closing it down to.
I had an issue with video playback, but the member 'Audio' and co offered settings which greatly improved movie playback. So that’s one tiny area fixed
What are you doing on your device which is causing your phone to run so fluidly?

I was happy with my device running the stock Orange Rom. It was quicker than my Hermes running the Black Majik rom. I recently flashed the V3 Dutty Rom and its a little faster - not much though.
I have a 4gb microsd card that I install most apps on. I use the HTC Home screen - with no other plug ins.
See below for screen grabs of installed programs.

Underwired 4,
Thanks for the response. I have an 8GB memory card, and I install all my applications on this card, and not on the device memory. The only thing I've installed on the device memory, that I can recall, is the PIE fix, and the slight fix for the camera. That is all. Everything else goes onto my 8GB storage card, of which I have over 5GB of memory left over. From the looks of it, I have more device storage memory than you do, but slightly less programme memory than you.
My free storage memory reads: 112.76 MB
My free programme memory: 48.54 MB
I’m left scratching my head...

Graphics Test 1 1060
Others Test 2 1730
JPEG Test 3 2246
Games Test 4 1261
Sound Test 5 0669
Final Score: 1393

246810 said:
My free storage memory reads: 112.76 MB
My free programme memory: 48.54 MB
I’m left scratching my head...
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I have scratched my head about this before too. I tested this last night and if you take the card OUT, you will see a BIG increase in your memory.
My feeling is that maybe if you have shortcuts on the phone TO those apps on the card, at boot time, the phone reads all of those and maybe that is what does it? Or 1 or 2 of those apps on the card load (somehow) on the boot up.
I hope I explained that correctly

Here's my list (doesn't have all I have installed) and it's not slow whatsoever.
My VSbenchmark overall result is 1600-something.. I'm really using it, and Kaiser is coping with it with no problems.. my Wizard would beg for mercy at this point.

MirrorminD said:
Graphics Test 1 1060
Others Test 2 1730
JPEG Test 3 2246
Games Test 4 1261
Sound Test 5 0669
Final Score: 1393
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Thanks Mirror. Where are you? What device is it (ie tilt, tytn2 vario3) and which rom?

246810 said:
Underwired 4,
Thanks for the response. I have an 8GB memory card, and I install all my applications on this card, and not on the device memory. The only thing I've installed on the device memory, that I can recall, is the PIE fix, and the slight fix for the camera. That is all. Everything else goes onto my 8GB storage card, of which I have over 5GB of memory left over. From the looks of it, I have more device storage memory than you do, but slightly less programme memory than you.
My free storage memory reads: 112.76 MB
My free programme memory: 48.54 MB
I’m left scratching my head...
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Have you run any tweaking programs to set page pools etc? Such as Kasier Tweak or Shaps advanced config tool?

Mines a bit random.
Sometimes about 1 second, sometimes more. Sometimes it redaws off center and has to draw again. Seems to take longer when sliding the keyboard back in than it does the other way.
Can't say it really annoys me too much... I just wait for it

unwired4 said:
I was happy with my device running the stock Orange Rom. It was quicker than my Hermes running the Black Majik rom. I recently flashed the V3 Dutty Rom and its a little faster - not much though.
I have a 4gb microsd card that I install most apps on. I use the HTC Home screen - with no other plug ins.
See below for screen grabs of installed programs.
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Since you seem to be on a mission, please provide us video of your screen rotation. Actually 2 videos; one with only today screen showing and one with any program open on it. If im on Today, the screen rotates in about a sec, but if I have i.e. Opera Mini open it takes 3 sec at least.
I just said on the classaction.org thread that i had a friends Ipaq 6915 for few days and the difference in speed, i.e. opening programs menu is obvious.
Im still running Duttys WWE lite rom with Spb Pocket Plus + Diary + weather, S2U2, WkTask, TC, Office, Live etc installed. On my today i have only 4 quick launch icons and the Spb Diary.
BTW. Its a joke playing even Spb Arkball on the Kaiser...

foobar1977 said:
Sometimes it redaws off center and has to draw again. I just wait for it
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Yes, that happens, especially if there is some program running....

graphics: 1084
others: 1831
jpeg: 2286
games: 1284
sound: 0681
final score: 1433
Stock Tilt Rom, without the AT&T software.

The only mission I am on is to imporve the plight of the unhappy Kaiser owners.
Despite accusations of being an HTC spy etc etc, I just want to back up that my happiness with my device is due to it responding as fast as I need it to- which may also explain why HTC think the device is fast enough.
(Am trying to shoot vids now. Opera Mini will always take longer to redraw as its a java app inside a midlet mgr).

Sane said:
I just said on the classaction.org thread that i had a friends Ipaq 6915 for few days and the difference in speed, i.e. opening programs menu is obvious.
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Just for the record, my fiancee's Wizard (used to be mine) is a faster when opening menus and redrawing the screen. Why? It's running WM5 stock ROM with almost nothing on it but basic functions. The today screen is empty. Only thing it has is S2U2 running on background (so that her purse doesn't keep calling me).
My Kaiser is filled with stuff, as you can see screenshots on my previous post in page 1.. and it's a it slower.. delay of 0.4 seconds doesn't bother me.

sharpja said:
graphics: 1084
others: 1831
jpeg: 2286
games: 1284
sound: 0681
final score: 1433
Stock Tilt Rom, without the AT&T software.
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It seems that reflashing to Dutty's v3 ROM makes it a bit faster. And, splitting hairs, replacing ati_d3d.dll to the one from LG seems (judging by VS benchmarks) to make it a tiny little bit faster as well.

Really bad quality videos... sorry! Did them in a rush on my old sony digital camera. Focussing would have helped...
Switching in today - portrait to landscape is faster than I am! Back to portrait takes nearly a second.
Switching and scrolling through emails.

My "stock" Kaiser - ATT Tilt -with a few apps installed and running Hotsynch to get my corporate mail, I scored the following:
Test 1 - 1067
Test 2 - 1772
Test 3 - 2176
Test 4 - 1244
Test 5 - 0786
Final Score - 1409
I got 1441 after soft reset with HotSynch running to synch mail wirelessly, then removed hotsynch and got 1509.
So, I guess I need to go ahead and flash my ROM.
I am new to the site and have to start reading the threads and getting familiar, but to jumpstart me, is there a "best" or "most used" ROM and Cab config that is popular and stable amongst the group? I saw a touchflow video on youtube - do many of them have that?
Tom

pearsth said:
I am new to the site and have to start reading the threads and getting familiar, but to jumpstart me, is there a "best" or "most used" ROM and Cab config that is popular and stable amongst the group? I saw a touchflow video on youtube - do many of them have that?
Tom
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Welcome, Tom =)
Most used ones are probably Dutty's v3 ROM and Alex's Home ROM. Also, many of our "most famous" cooks are testing and creating stable ROMs that run WM 6.1.. so if you want, you can just wait for a bit and reflash 6.1 ROM.

AT&T Tilt missing memory?

Hello everyone,
My Brand new Tilt, 1 week old, seems to be missing program memory.
I have ~85Mb total, 33 in use, and 51 free.
This is about 20Mb lower than the units I played with in the various stores when I began shopping and from various review sites. They have ~101 total, 25 in use, and 75 free which I verified when I exchangfed my unit for another new one.
A hard or soft reset don't do anything. I do have an 8Gb microSD card installed and only iContact and iDialer installed to it. Removing it did not help of course.
rom:3.57.502.2 wwe dated 7/17/08
radio: 1.65.21.18
protocol: 25.88.40.05H
I had originally thought my Tilt was defective and exchanged it for another and voila, I get the same reading. Next I thought it maybe the few dozen contacts stored on the sim; deleting those had no effect naturally.
Does anyone have an idea of where the extra memory went?
Thanks,
Tim
ps - I would also like a recommendation. In reading here I came across the video driver thread. Being able to connect to wifi, play games, and watch movies were the criteria in getting this phone. Should I return this and get the Samsung Epix or the Fuze (if its in at my store yet)?
Thanks again,
Tim

Bloatware?
Hello Popatim,
first off, welcome to xda-developers. This is a great site with a lot of cool people and is rich with information. First question for you, do you have bloatware installed like the free trials and demos of useless software? If so, follow the instructions in the wiki for the att tilt, here. That freed up a ton of memory for me. Hope that works for you,
Dave

Just to be clear I am referring to Program Ram and not Storage.
removing the bloatware has freed up about 10M of storage and my program Ram is at
total: 85.32
In use: 32.64
Free: 52.68
...not much change I'm afraid.
Any ideas? Whats your phone at for comparison.

Your RAM numbers are totally normal. The phones you saw in stores must have been running older WM6 ROMs with a smaller pagepool, leaving more available RAM.
However, I wish you luck trying to fill those 52MBs. I think I came close to that once, running about 20 applications simultaneously including several particularly heavy ones.
i.e worrying about that just makes no sense.
And my Kaiser has always played videos just fine.

kilrah said:
Your RAM numbers are totally normal. The phones you saw in stores must have been running older WM6 ROMs with a smaller pagepool, leaving more available RAM.
However, I wish you luck trying to fill those 52MBs. I think I came close to that once, running about 20 applications simultaneously including several particularly heavy ones.
i.e worrying about that just makes no sense.
And my Kaiser has always played videos just fine.
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Well it does make sense if you use for example opera mobile I have about 40mb of memory free on my kaiser. When I open S2P it drops to around 30 and with opera mobile running with all three tabs open it can drop to 5mb and less...and then the system closes one of the apps to free up some memory.

Opera mobile even with 3 tabs open never used more than about 12MB here...

kilrah said:
Opera mobile even with 3 tabs open never used more than about 12MB here...
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It depends on the site....for example try watching a youtube clip in opera you'll see the difference

This an issue which is well documented in numerous other places. Please try searching before opening a new thread. Redundant thread closed.

Idea for very handy simple new app...

Hi all..
I am good with ideas.. but not programming so much... I was thinking of this app that would be very handy to most of us... no matter what device people use... Basically, it is this... An app that re-arranges the icons in the start menu and subfolders in order of how often we click the various icons...
For example... say I use my phone mainly to play games, like teeter... So, in the start menu, in the root directory, the games folder would become listed first... then inside the games folderm teeter woudl be listed first..
Also, if possible, I would like it to incoperate liek a 50/50 mix of all time uses, and "recent" uses... So, say I was in navigation and had all 100 options... I tried out igo, navigator, Bing, google maps, garmin, etc... and I use TomTom 85% of the time, google maps 10%... and variosu other ones 3%.. but lately I have bene using Bing all the time.. even through it would only work out to be 2% of the total uses, it woudl be moved up because of the last 20 times I used GPS, I used it 80% of the time.... That make any sence?
If anyone is willign to design such a program, I would be game to help test it out... I use an unlocked fuze, usually with an Energy rom on it..... I would like it to keep the folder organized how I have them (like keep all my games in the game folder, all internet apps in the internet folder, etc) but jsut arrange those folders accordingly... Anyone else think this would be a handy idea?

Although i Agree this would be a great APP it more than likely will take a massive chunk out of the RAM so it seems useless unless you would really enjoy this

good idea w the cost of more ram, I suggest to make use of short cuts and hardware buttons for easy accessibility.

Accessing Internal Memory from Desktop Computer

Hello,
I've got HTC HD7 with 02 branding and am running Win XP.
I am desperately trying to access phone's internal memory over USB with no success. I would like to shift data so like used to do it on my old HTC Diamond. And I dont want to use the Zune crap, cause it only allows shifting media files like music and videos...
I mean, WM6, 6.1 and 6.5 had a sperate option (ActiveSync, Memory Access or Internet Sharing) when plugging device to the computer.
Is there any similar app or built-in functionality to do so???
Thanks and regards,
schorschy

schorschy said:
Hello,
I've got HTC HD7 with 02 branding and am running Win XP.
I am desperately trying to access phone's internal memory over USB with no success. I would like to shift data so like used to do it on my old HTC Diamond. And I dont want to use the Zune crap, cause it only allows shifting media files like music and videos...
I mean, WM6, 6.1 and 6.5 had a sperate option (ActiveSync, Memory Access or Internet Sharing) when plugging device to the computer.
Is there any similar app or built-in functionality to do so???
Thanks and regards,
schorschy
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nope, zunes the only option right now.

i really do not understand microsoft... they announced wm7 as something absolutely groundbreaking and there are many functionalities i am missing even in comparison to wm6!!!
i mean, okay, i somehow can understand they removed activesync... but memory access via usb?! or wm6 to wm7 data migration?! i mean, these are basic functionalities every mobile device MUST have...
it really makes me think over about giving back my device...

schorschy said:
i mean, okay, i somehow can understand they removed activesync... but memory access via usb?! or wm6 to wm7 data migration?! i mean, these are basic functionalities every mobile device MUST have...
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I totally disagree, memory access by USB is not a must have function to sell a mobile phone by any means.
What data are you trying to put onto the device that won't be covered by Zune or a Windows Live/Google account etc?

i just think using pda as a memory stick is a very useful functionality... for example, shifting pdf's when being offline or similar...

Microsoft have taken the approach that in order to produce a stable platform, the file system needs to be locked down so that people cannot "tinker" with it. Its a sensible approach if you think about it from that perspective.
If this was such a big thing for you, why didn`t you check before purchasing?

schorschy said:
Hello,
I've got HTC HD7 with 02 branding and am running Win XP.
I am desperately trying to access phone's internal memory over USB with no success. I would like to shift data so like used to do it on my old HTC Diamond. And I dont want to use the Zune crap, cause it only allows shifting media files like music and videos...
I mean, WM6, 6.1 and 6.5 had a sperate option (ActiveSync, Memory Access or Internet Sharing) when plugging device to the computer.
Is there any similar app or built-in functionality to do so???
Thanks and regards,
schorschy
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Well, to each its own, some users TOTALLY DISAGREE with you, while I'm just like you thinking that a new system should be inclusive to all features and capabilities provided by the prior one.
Plus, tinkering with system file? well an 8 GB or 16 GB of storage SHOULD be used the way i Like it, not Locked out as some suggests, at least look ROM files, leaving the rest for the user preferences.
Final word, I TOTALLY AGREE with you about your complaint.
Will

Willy318is said:
Well, to each its own, some users TOTALLY DISAGREE with you, while I'm just like you thinking that a new system should be inclusive to all features and capabilities provided by the prior one.
Plus, tinkering with system file? well an 8 GB or 16 GB of storage SHOULD be used the way i Like it, not Locked out as some suggests, at least look ROM files, leaving the rest for the user preferences.
Final word, I TOTALLY AGREE with you about your complaint.
Will
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Now now Will,
I just have trouble grasping this type of thread - this was all known before launch and before devices were available to buy. But hey, whatever.

I've just bought a HD7 too, and I have to admit to being absolutely gutted. Admittedly I didn't do too much research into it before getting it but I just assumed that being a windows mobile device it would be reasonably friendly with windows on my desktop computer. I've been tinkering with zunes to get my old pictures and music onto the phone but it's just ghastly.
Chances are I'll ditch it and get an android methinks. Real shame because I used to love my old HD2.

admittedly, i didn't research on this phone before getting it... just because i trusted the plattform - wm6.1 and wm6.5 were stable enough... however, after getting the device, i must say it's nothing for "tweaker", but a pure media consumption system. and thats why i hate it - fancy layers, nice optics, easy-to-use apps, but... zero funtionality. using it makes me feel i'm a little schoolgirl wearing a pink t-shirt.
gonna give it back and get hd2. the lesson i learnt for the second time (after getting fresh-presented htc diamond touch in 2008):
it's better to have an older device with mature os and application landscape than to have the latest device with lots of "fancy" stuff!
never do the same mistake again... thanks to all for replies and warm greetings from germany!

For goodness sake, it was so well trailed that MS would make WP7 a locked down system it would have taken hardly any research to find it out. I wish I had the cash to purchase £500 smartphones with little or no research up front. There is nothing wrong with wanting to tweak etc. but to do so, get an android device, a WM6.5 device, a jail broken iPhone or wait until someone "jailbreaks" WP7. Sheesh it's like saying "OMG I bought a Toyota and am so disappointed to find it isn't a Ford"

adesonic said:
For goodness sake, it was so well trailed that MS would make WP7 a locked down system it would have taken hardly any research to find it out. I wish I had the cash to purchase £500 smartphones with little or no research up front. There is nothing wrong with wanting to tweak etc. but to do so, get an android device, a WM6.5 device, a jail broken iPhone or wait until someone "jailbreaks" WP7. Sheesh it's like saying "OMG I bought a Toyota and am so disappointed to find it isn't a Ford"
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Exactly.
Also there is a reason the product is called Windows Phone 7 and not Windows Mobile 7. I noticed its referred to as Windows Mobile 7 a lot in this thread.

Am I mistaken or didn't MS say they would still maintain updates to the old wm6.5 os as a side project?
also how can anyone say zune is ghastly? its easily the best media organizer there is 100times better than itunes and as for android i had a desire and the syncing was so basic and naff. Another good thing with zune is the music organization, look at itunes and getting album art it is dire. Zune on the other hand is easy as pie and if you cant find it in the library even a 5yo could use the manual edit tool. With Zune everything has the right name album art etc my itunes (i have a mac mini in my living room connected to my tv) is about 80% the rest is to messy to be bothered with. I found when syncing with my desire hardly any artwork came through and the media folders where dire to navigate (this is a biggie as i use it to play music in my car)
I think the thing here is as stated before, the facts are out there this phone is what it is. It is not a win 6.5 update it is a separate mobile os. The features it has are are far beyond anything else out there but if you want something that does something else then buy something else. You don't buy a toaster to fry chips.

+1 On the Zune is excellent front....awesome software

lumpaywk said:
You don't buy a toaster to fry chips.
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That's a late night half-drunk/half-stoned experiment just begging to be done... where's my toaster?