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WMP playing = low program memory

So I was using WMP on my Tilt and noticed that when I started listening to music my free program memory tanked to less then 5% free. I've tested this many times now and it does it everytime. After a few minutes, the free memory will increase slightly.
Can anybody else try this and confirm for me if this is an issue across all Tilts?
To test, record your free program memory before openign WMP. Then open WMP, play a song, then check the free program memory. If it's kiek mine, you will see that shoot up from around 35-40% up to +90% load.

Well I did find this shortly after posting, so it appears to be an issue will all Tilts (or WM6 devices in general). Sory for the Google Cached page, the real site wouldn't come up for some reason.
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:i2YZurIOVBIJ:https://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsMobile/ShowPost.aspx%3FPostID%3D2385809%26SiteID%3D65+wmp+11+mobile+uses+program+memory&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

This is a problem with WMP - not your Kaiser. If you try another player such as CorePlayer, you'll notice it uses far less RAM. Once again - shame on Microsoft for shipping a buggy and inferior product. I actually like WMP and I hate having multiple anything on my phone (media players, browsers, etc) but Microsoft needs to do better internally if they want to compete with devices like the iPhone long-term.
MJB

WMP uses a buffer (FIFO) for playing, the only available storage it has is internal memory.. This is a portable device so the developers of CE kernal thought that if you are watching a video on it that you would not REALLY be doing anything else!
Ergo..what mem is not in use, can be auto associated for buffer.
Hope this gives you an idea of Win CE kernal (base of all WM code).

mbial said:
If you try another player such as CorePlayer, you'll notice it uses far less RAM.
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Core does everything so right, it makes you wonder how wmp mobile can be so wrong. Sux since I agree about the anti-mulitple apps comment...

NotShorty said:
Core does everything so right, it makes you wonder how wmp mobile can be so wrong. Sux since I agree about the anti-mulitple apps comment...
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I agree, it's all to do with back compatability of prior CE WM applications and poor MS upgrades to the kernal!!!
I seriously think MS are just giving us basic apps to fulfill standard tasks, hoping that 3rd party people will improve it!
And YES, it's happening, look at Coreplayer!...

i agree with you all. I wish I could use the default apps, but they suck. I understand MS only giving the user the bare bones stuff but com'on, at least make it work without eating up every ounce of memory.
Anyways, sorry for the MS flame but this issue and many others have been the same thru 3 versions of windows mobile. when will they actually take the time to re-write this stuff. Quit adding new functions, fix the old broken ones. There I go again flaming MS. I've been in the IT biz for nearly 20 years, and using MS products the whole time. By now I should be over the 'MS sucks" stuff..

smittyofdhs said:
i agree with you all. I wish I could use the default apps, but they suck. I understand MS only giving the user the bare bones stuff but com'on, at least make it work without eating up every ounce of memory.
Anyways, sorry for the MS flame but this issue and many others have been the same thru 3 versions of windows mobile. when will they actually take the time to re-write this stuff. Quit adding new functions, fix the old broken ones. There I go again flaming MS. I've been in the IT biz for nearly 20 years, and using MS products the whole time. By now I should be over the 'MS sucks" stuff..
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NO, I fully agree with you. If MS gave us JUST a WM player that was broad aspect on file playability AND an IE that could link to most AV content around on the web at the moment, EVERYONE would be more than happy.
Trouble is, MS HOPED that every web site would make a duplicate mobile one....WON"T HAPPEN!!
Microsoft, get your act together and give us some GOOD surfing software...PLEASE!!!

Is your Kaiser gruesomely slow?

If it is, then other than the missing drivers, then the chances are that either a subset of Kaisers, or roms, or third party apps are causing some devices to be a LOT slower than others.
There are people claiming that their devices take three seconds to change orientation. They also claim that you can actually see the icons being "drawn" on the screen.
As a happy Kaiser owner, I have never experienced anything like that (except when syncing over USB - when the device pretty much stops responding for the first few seconds of syncing and then returns to normal.
Changing to landscape on mine take approx 0.3 seconds (I say approx as its too quick to actually time).
Now I made a horrible error. I tried to point out to the defensive people over on the classaction thread that if their device was really that bad, they could try a different rom and see if that makes their device better. I didnt argue that "the" drivers weren;t missing or that their devices would be fine without them. All I did was try to get some research to see if there was an obvious group of devices or roms or apps that was causing the problem.
If like me, you prefer to sort these things out - rather than wait for a year for a class action - then try the benchmarking test in my sig and post your results and rom details. Hopefully, we can find the cause of the major differences in performance.
My device scored 1643 overall.

He's right, people should start blaming the device for everything. Bring back the days when you'd clean up your device when you'd feel it being slow.
Mine is in 1680 or so as well.

Unwired 4,
Can you perhaps provide a detailed list of all the applications you have on your phone?
I ask you this because I don't have alot of apps on my phone; mainly Googlemaps, livesearch, TCPMP, Dutty 1 calc, HTC Album, Opera mini and Palringo.
I don't have any SPB products clogging up my today screen with its numerous shortcuts. I haven't tweaked my clock appearance and I'm using the original windows blue background on my today screen.
My phone looks pretty similar to when it was bought yet I have noticed a lag, even when it comes to changing the screen orientation from portrait to landscape. It takes roughly one second. Sometimes opening an application takes forever, and closing it down to.
I had an issue with video playback, but the member 'Audio' and co offered settings which greatly improved movie playback. So that’s one tiny area fixed
What are you doing on your device which is causing your phone to run so fluidly?

I was happy with my device running the stock Orange Rom. It was quicker than my Hermes running the Black Majik rom. I recently flashed the V3 Dutty Rom and its a little faster - not much though.
I have a 4gb microsd card that I install most apps on. I use the HTC Home screen - with no other plug ins.
See below for screen grabs of installed programs.

Underwired 4,
Thanks for the response. I have an 8GB memory card, and I install all my applications on this card, and not on the device memory. The only thing I've installed on the device memory, that I can recall, is the PIE fix, and the slight fix for the camera. That is all. Everything else goes onto my 8GB storage card, of which I have over 5GB of memory left over. From the looks of it, I have more device storage memory than you do, but slightly less programme memory than you.
My free storage memory reads: 112.76 MB
My free programme memory: 48.54 MB
I’m left scratching my head...

Graphics Test 1 1060
Others Test 2 1730
JPEG Test 3 2246
Games Test 4 1261
Sound Test 5 0669
Final Score: 1393

246810 said:
My free storage memory reads: 112.76 MB
My free programme memory: 48.54 MB
I’m left scratching my head...
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I have scratched my head about this before too. I tested this last night and if you take the card OUT, you will see a BIG increase in your memory.
My feeling is that maybe if you have shortcuts on the phone TO those apps on the card, at boot time, the phone reads all of those and maybe that is what does it? Or 1 or 2 of those apps on the card load (somehow) on the boot up.
I hope I explained that correctly

Here's my list (doesn't have all I have installed) and it's not slow whatsoever.
My VSbenchmark overall result is 1600-something.. I'm really using it, and Kaiser is coping with it with no problems.. my Wizard would beg for mercy at this point.

MirrorminD said:
Graphics Test 1 1060
Others Test 2 1730
JPEG Test 3 2246
Games Test 4 1261
Sound Test 5 0669
Final Score: 1393
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Thanks Mirror. Where are you? What device is it (ie tilt, tytn2 vario3) and which rom?

246810 said:
Underwired 4,
Thanks for the response. I have an 8GB memory card, and I install all my applications on this card, and not on the device memory. The only thing I've installed on the device memory, that I can recall, is the PIE fix, and the slight fix for the camera. That is all. Everything else goes onto my 8GB storage card, of which I have over 5GB of memory left over. From the looks of it, I have more device storage memory than you do, but slightly less programme memory than you.
My free storage memory reads: 112.76 MB
My free programme memory: 48.54 MB
I’m left scratching my head...
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Have you run any tweaking programs to set page pools etc? Such as Kasier Tweak or Shaps advanced config tool?

Mines a bit random.
Sometimes about 1 second, sometimes more. Sometimes it redaws off center and has to draw again. Seems to take longer when sliding the keyboard back in than it does the other way.
Can't say it really annoys me too much... I just wait for it

unwired4 said:
I was happy with my device running the stock Orange Rom. It was quicker than my Hermes running the Black Majik rom. I recently flashed the V3 Dutty Rom and its a little faster - not much though.
I have a 4gb microsd card that I install most apps on. I use the HTC Home screen - with no other plug ins.
See below for screen grabs of installed programs.
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Since you seem to be on a mission, please provide us video of your screen rotation. Actually 2 videos; one with only today screen showing and one with any program open on it. If im on Today, the screen rotates in about a sec, but if I have i.e. Opera Mini open it takes 3 sec at least.
I just said on the classaction.org thread that i had a friends Ipaq 6915 for few days and the difference in speed, i.e. opening programs menu is obvious.
Im still running Duttys WWE lite rom with Spb Pocket Plus + Diary + weather, S2U2, WkTask, TC, Office, Live etc installed. On my today i have only 4 quick launch icons and the Spb Diary.
BTW. Its a joke playing even Spb Arkball on the Kaiser...

foobar1977 said:
Sometimes it redaws off center and has to draw again. I just wait for it
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Yes, that happens, especially if there is some program running....

graphics: 1084
others: 1831
jpeg: 2286
games: 1284
sound: 0681
final score: 1433
Stock Tilt Rom, without the AT&T software.

The only mission I am on is to imporve the plight of the unhappy Kaiser owners.
Despite accusations of being an HTC spy etc etc, I just want to back up that my happiness with my device is due to it responding as fast as I need it to- which may also explain why HTC think the device is fast enough.
(Am trying to shoot vids now. Opera Mini will always take longer to redraw as its a java app inside a midlet mgr).

Sane said:
I just said on the classaction.org thread that i had a friends Ipaq 6915 for few days and the difference in speed, i.e. opening programs menu is obvious.
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Just for the record, my fiancee's Wizard (used to be mine) is a faster when opening menus and redrawing the screen. Why? It's running WM5 stock ROM with almost nothing on it but basic functions. The today screen is empty. Only thing it has is S2U2 running on background (so that her purse doesn't keep calling me).
My Kaiser is filled with stuff, as you can see screenshots on my previous post in page 1.. and it's a it slower.. delay of 0.4 seconds doesn't bother me.

sharpja said:
graphics: 1084
others: 1831
jpeg: 2286
games: 1284
sound: 0681
final score: 1433
Stock Tilt Rom, without the AT&T software.
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It seems that reflashing to Dutty's v3 ROM makes it a bit faster. And, splitting hairs, replacing ati_d3d.dll to the one from LG seems (judging by VS benchmarks) to make it a tiny little bit faster as well.

Really bad quality videos... sorry! Did them in a rush on my old sony digital camera. Focussing would have helped...
Switching in today - portrait to landscape is faster than I am! Back to portrait takes nearly a second.
Switching and scrolling through emails.

My "stock" Kaiser - ATT Tilt -with a few apps installed and running Hotsynch to get my corporate mail, I scored the following:
Test 1 - 1067
Test 2 - 1772
Test 3 - 2176
Test 4 - 1244
Test 5 - 0786
Final Score - 1409
I got 1441 after soft reset with HotSynch running to synch mail wirelessly, then removed hotsynch and got 1509.
So, I guess I need to go ahead and flash my ROM.
I am new to the site and have to start reading the threads and getting familiar, but to jumpstart me, is there a "best" or "most used" ROM and Cab config that is popular and stable amongst the group? I saw a touchflow video on youtube - do many of them have that?
Tom

pearsth said:
I am new to the site and have to start reading the threads and getting familiar, but to jumpstart me, is there a "best" or "most used" ROM and Cab config that is popular and stable amongst the group? I saw a touchflow video on youtube - do many of them have that?
Tom
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Welcome, Tom =)
Most used ones are probably Dutty's v3 ROM and Alex's Home ROM. Also, many of our "most famous" cooks are testing and creating stable ROMs that run WM 6.1.. so if you want, you can just wait for a bit and reflash 6.1 ROM.

Why is there so few RAM available??

Hey guys,
I just switched from a Polaris to my Kaiser a few days ago, because of the keyboard.
I love my Kaiser, but there is one thing I'm wondering about.
Why is there so few RAM in the Kaiser?
On my Polaris I had 60+ MB free (with an 8MB Touchcube loaded), up to 68.
On the Kaiser I have max. 43-45 free with nothing (I know of) running in the background....
How is that?
Stefan
edit: It's the same situation on different ROMs I tested and it was the same situation on different Polaris ROMs, too. They were all fully loaded, no light ROMs etc.

I think most ROM chefs have gone to either "larger" page pools, or dynamic page pools. And depending on the page pool size, you will see less available RAM.

Would you like to "SEE" a lot of free ram but run yr machine slow because of no caching/paging? Or you want to "FEEL" a lot smoother user experience because we spend some ram for cache/pagepool?
With 128mb Qvga machine like Kaiser, I don't even dare to look at the memory meter since I NEVER run into not enough ram issue even I abuse it w/ lots of concurrent apps (Iguidance 4 + TomTom 7 + A2DP w/ Coreplayer + lots of todays plugins).
I rather concern about too many unnecessary background service/process since WM has a physical limit of 32 processes

45MB free is nothing to worry about, I've never really managed to use more than 20MB with more than 10 apps running.
And devices like the Hermes were doing fine with less than 20MB free after a clean boot.

very nice way expressing/explaining
so thats call for button X application (plug in)
jackleung said:
Would you like to "SEE" a lot of free ram but run yr machine slow because of no caching/paging? Or you want to "FEEL" a lot smoother user experience because we spend some ram for cache/pagepool?
With 128mb Qvga machine like Kaiser, I don't even dare to look at the memory meter since I NEVER run into not enough ram issue even I abuse it w/ lots of concurrent apps (Iguidance 4 + TomTom 7 + A2DP w/ Coreplayer + lots of todays plugins).
I rather concern about too many unnecessary background service/process since WM has a physical limit of 32 processes
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The ROMs I used on the Polaris had a 18MB PP...
Laurentius' V10 also has 18MB...
And I also can't seem to fill the RAM, but I'm a little confused...

I also go pretty high on my page pools (24 mb). However, you can request a ROM of your liking with the page pool you want (look at my sig) .

kareem9nba said:
I also go pretty high on my page pools (24 mb). However, you can request a ROM of your liking with the page pool you want (look at my sig) .
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Thx, but as I said, I'm alright with my RAM.
I'm only curious why a ROM which is (supposed to be) very similar to a Polaris one according to the settings (where the Polaris ROM actually had the TouchCube with 8MB loaded) has 15-20MB less RAM available... what the hell is running in the background on the Kaiser that takes that much memory?
Oh, and btw, all the screenshots for the Kaiser I saw (even from light ROMs), don't have much more than 50MB free, so how can a light Polaris ROM have 70MB free??!!
Stefan
P.S: I don't mean to annoy anyone, but I just can't help it...
I wanna know what takes my RAM away...

Sayuuk said:
Oh, and btw, all the screenshots for the Kaiser I saw (even from light ROMs), don't have much more than 50MB free
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There, just for you. 47.3MB with no programs running but no reboot for more than one week, and 63.1MB after reboot. The screenshot program is taking 1MB in both cases, and I have a couple of small programs starting automatically on boot.
Any chance you'd be using WM6 on one and WM6.1 on the other?

Sayuuk said:
what the hell is running in the background on the Kaiser that takes that much memory?
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Why don't you use Memmaid and take a look?

jackleung said:
Why don't you use Memmaid and take a look?
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I can't find anything, that's why I'm asking ;-)
@kilrah: interesting, I never saw that much free RAM on a Kaiser.
However, on my Polaris I had a ROM (as previously mentioned) that was fully loaded, all the stuff I have on my Kaiser + the Cube and I still had about 20MB more free RAM than I have on my Kaiser without a Cube...
The only Hardware-based difference on the Kaiser is the keyboard... but that can't have anything to di with it, can it?
Stefan

I was also always curious as to why, if they can make 32gb micro sd cards, can't they simply put that much memory into the Kaiser to begin with?

Two Things
A) They don't have 32Gb MicroSD cards yet.
B) Lets say they Did. Leaving the Card Slot Blank costs nothing. Filling it with a Card costs money. Larger Profit Margin for HTC. They win.

And some more:
D) Most people don't give a damn about having 16/32GB in their phone, and would certainly be pissed off if they had to pay more for something they didn't need. Those will just buy a 1GB card and be fine with it.
E) That would open the door to iphone-like ripoff, with $100-200 difference between the 8GB and 16GB models... when we know that a 8GB memory card costs around $20 nowadays, so much more like $5 to add it inside the phone for the manufacturer. But as we all know, internal memory always costs more than cards....
F) Bit unrelated, but in my country electronic devices are subject to a copyright-style tax based on the amount of internal memory. But memory cards aren't taxed. Choose the best option

And backup sizes increase too!
After watching my free device memory decline and backup sizes go up every day, I found that PIE (Pocket Internet Explorer) and Opera were taking a more than decent amount of memory for their caches.
Clearing PIE and Opera's cache freed over 30M of device memory for me!
While Opera gives a setting for cache size, PIE has only a registry setting:
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\5.0\Cache\Content\CacheLimit
It's set to 42680 in my Tilt. While I can change the registry value, the change won't survive a soft reset.
My solution is to regularly clear the browser caches and check the device for temp files. It's made a huge difference for me (from 11M free to 61M free)

gavink said:
After watching my free device memory decline and backup sizes go up every day, I found that PIE (Pocket Internet Explorer) and Opera were taking a more than decent amount of memory for their caches.
Clearing PIE and Opera's cache freed over 30M of device memory for me!
While Opera gives a setting for cache size, PIE has only a registry setting:
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\5.0\Cache\Content\CacheLimit
It's set to 42680 in my Tilt. While I can change the registry value, the change won't survive a soft reset.
My solution is to regularly clear the browser caches and check the device for temp files. It's made a huge difference for me (from 11M free to 61M free)
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Man, we are talking about RAM (program memory) and you are talking about ROM (storage memory).
I always use memmaid to clean up before backup to make sure no junks are being backup. In fact, most backup software allow you to choose what directory to or not to backup.

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Man, we are talking about RAM (program memory) and you are talking about ROM (storage memory).
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I don't see that in the previous posts. I do understand the difference between program and storage memory. RAM is where everything but the base system is stored... right? ROM (read only memory) isn't used for a dynamic cache... right?

gavink said:
I don't see that in the previous posts. I do understand the difference between program and storage memory. RAM is where everything but the base system is stored... right? ROM (read only memory) isn't used for a dynamic cache... right?
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That was back on '03... the terms stayed the same but since WM5 the technology changed
It's like on your PC.
RAM is the storage the programs actually run in, ROM is the ... rest
If you look at the Memory Page in the settings. ROM ("Storage") is what you're talking about and RAM ("Program") is what the rest of us is talking about...
Stefan

Sayuuk said:
That was back on '03... the terms stayed the same but since WM5 the technology changed
It's like on your PC.
RAM is the storage the programs actually run in, ROM is the ... rest
If you look at the Memory Page in the settings. ROM ("Storage") is what you're talking about and RAM ("Program") is what the rest of us is talking about...
Stefan
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Sooo... you're saying that my PIE and Opera caches are both in my Tilt's ROM? Wow... somehow I fell waaaay behind the times!

gavink said:
Sooo... you're saying that my PIE and Opera caches are both in my Tilt's ROM? Wow... somehow I fell waaaay behind the times!
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It's not actually ROM anymore, that's what I meant and I guess that's why you're confused.
I think you understand what RAM is. Now what we mean when we say ROM is just the rest of the internal storage that is NOT the RAM.
If you read the specs of HTC phones you always see 128MB RAM and 256MB ROM. ROM in this case is just a name that's in use cuz it's always been used, though it's not ReadOnlyMemory nowadays.
Stefan

Diamond - MDA Compact IV First Impressions

Dear All,
OK, I need to change the Signature. I shall do that after writing this entry..
So, I upgraded to the MDA Compact IV on Saturday morning through T-Mobile. I managed a free upgrade, which was nice.
I had owned an MDA3 for quite some time before moving away from PDA Phones. When I used to play atound with everything, we were trying to get the Blue Angel to go from WM2003 to WM5! - That will show you how long ago it was!
Anyhow, I got the Diamond on Saturday morning and spent a few hours charging it up. I played with the T Mobile software for a little bit before suddenly needing to flash the ROM with something a little more erm, better.
Having cruised through the Site, I did note that there were a few suble changes to what was needed to flash a ROM compared to how it used to be done!
Not knowing exactly who's ROM to go for, I trialled a few ROMs and have now settled on what matched my closest needs.
Everything was quite easy and I now have a Diamond powered by Swiftblades version 7 ROM with the 16MB Page Pool. I have just noted though that there is now a version 7.5 using a new build so I'll flash that later and see what differences I get. I may flash a lower Page Pool as I don't need to Multi-task different applications that much.. Yet..
As a result of the Version 7 ROM, the phone is running a lot smoother without any noticable lag however it is early days yet and the phone has not really been used in anger yet!
I also updated to the 08 Radio and I have to say, I am impressed with the Signal strength compared to the other phones I've had recently.
Battery life is actually quite good so far. As I just said, the phone has not seen that may calls but I have fiddled a lot whilst looking around. It had its initial charge on Saturday afternoon and with the fiddling, a couple of calls, some texting and a couple of email exchanges, I'm down to about 50% power. However, that was this morning and I've not used it since.
Anyhow, that's it really. As I become more used to the phone, I'll start helping out on guiding various Newbie questions, etc like I used to in my younger days!

Good review, that's exactly what i did, though i flashed a differnt ROM first.
What contract are you on if i may ask?
Im on flex web n walk £40/m (£90 cashback), the phone was free and i get 575 minutes, 500 texts, unlimited internet (works out £420 which ain't bad at all )
Also another question, i don't suppose you have seen a program that is actually good at backup & restoring apps/messages/contacts etc? At the moment i use Jeyo Mobile companion, which means i save all my contacts and threaded sms, then i backup my Start Menu folder and just copy it back after (as all my programs are installed on Internal Storage). This isn't really that effective as some programs may still have changed, some maybe updated in the new ROM and i lose the registry settings for Activating my apps/games etc.
Sorry for putting the pressure on you

Addicteddddd said:
Good review, that's exactly what i did, though i flashed a differnt ROM first.
What contract are you on if i may ask?
Im on flex web n walk £40/m (£90 cashback), the phone was free and i get 575 minutes, 500 texts, unlimited internet (works out £420 which ain't bad at all )
Also another question, i don't suppose you have seen a program that is actually good at backup & restoring apps/messages/contacts etc? At the moment i use Jeyo Mobile companion, which means i save all my contacts and threaded sms, then i backup my Start Menu folder and just copy it back after (as all my programs are installed on Internal Storage). This isn't really that effective as some programs may still have changed, some maybe updated in the new ROM and i lose the registry settings for Activating my apps/games etc.
Sorry for putting the pressure on you
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Pressure..? Hah - No worries..
Ok, I'm on an old fashioned Flext 30 Contract. I've managed to stay on the twelve month renewal plan so far. I pay £30 per month and that gives me 500 mins, 400 texts and unlimited Web & Walk. I did try to change a little while ago to a cheaper alternative however, T-Mobile themselves said that it there was nothing else that they could offer.. There's probably different plans available now but I think it's going to be best to stay with what I have for now.
Regarding back-up and restore, I guess this is something I need to look into. What I ended up doing back in the Blue Angel days was keeping the required Cabs in an external Memory to restore various Programs back on to it post flashing. The way then was to copy the cab into the Windows directory and then run it from there. Othere items such as Contacts, Messages, emails, etc were restored by running active sync before flashing then again afterwards.. I see there's still the PIM Back-up facility but in the Blue Angel days, it couldn't always be trusted and you ended up losing contacts, message settings, etc etc
Actually, remembering now, I used to keep a list of what needed changing within the registry settings for the programs I had installed.. haha
I understand that things might have moved on a bit now. For example, I noticed somewhere on the settings that Cabs can be installed and there's an option not to delete them after the installation process.
To be honest, I just need to play and experiment with the Diamond to see what it can and cannot do.
I've just looked back through what I've written thinking that actually, this doesn't really answer your questions but still, it's nice to talk! I won't finish by saying "Hope this helps.." hehe..
Nice to meet you.. I see you're running the 05 Radio.. Any reason why you're not using the 08..? I've read on here that there appears to be a positive leaning towards T-Mobile UK reception..

Looking forward to your reviews, always good to read something sensible and well written.
A couple of things to help you based on your posts so far - I've recently installed Swift's 7.5 lite ROM and so far it seems excellent - very quick and doesn't contain loads of software I'll never use. I use the 12mb pp version which works fine for me, but to be honest I've not tried the 0 or 16 versions.
I'm also on the 05 radio, and T-Mobile like you, and to be honest haven't tried anything later because it seems to work fine. If it ain't broke...
I tend to keep all my common cab files on the internal storage, you can install from there and by default they aren't deleted. No need to copy to the windows folder. I've reset so many times I can get back to a full working system within about an hour these days! The advanced config tools out there means there is little need to hack about in the registry these days, and ROM's like the excellent Swift ones often have many of the reg optimisations already set.

Nice review
Regarding the post flashing technique, I've tried sprite backup and SPB to restore across rom upgrades but never had much success - you always find that there are some things which don't work right. Also you end up overwriting things in the registry which are part of the new rom and have problems.
I have quite a few apps installed, but the only surefire way to get it right is to start fresh when you flash.
My technique is:
- Flash the new rom
- Set up the owner information and bluetooth deviceid etc.. (you need to do this for apps which have registrations based on the owner). I also set up things like ringtones now before installing anything - no reason other than personal preference.
- Connect to activesync to sync contacts/appointments
- Use either sprite or pimbackup for SMS etc..
- Set up email accounts
- Install all old apps (cabs stored on internal storage. I also put things which install through activesync on internal storage so I've got them to hand for reinstalling).
- Set up all apps how I like them.
- Set up the today screen, and TF3D programs/weather etc..
- All done!
It usually takes about an hour. It's a pretty dull process but it works and it's definitely the best way to do it.
There are apps like sashimi which automates the install process, but I find the installing from cabs part usually only takes around 5 minutes anyway - its the configuring which takes longer.

StarMonkee said:
Nice review
Regarding the post flashing technique, I've tried sprite backup and SPB to restore across rom upgrades but never had much success - you always find that there are some things which don't work right. Also you end up overwriting things in the registry which are part of the new rom and have problems.
It usually takes about an hour. It's a pretty dull process but it works and it's definitely the best way to do it.
There are apps like sashimi which automates the install process, but I find the installing from cabs part usually only takes around 5 minutes anyway - its the configuring which takes longer.
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Hi Star,
yeah, sounds very much like the basics haven't changed.. It's still a little long winded but hey, it stops you getting bored !!
Comment noted about over-writing items in the registry and it affecting ROM optimisations.. It's something I hadn't thought about..
ewans said:
A couple of things to help you based on your posts so far - I've recently installed Swift's 7.5 lite ROM and so far it seems excellent - very quick and doesn't contain loads of software I'll never use. I use the 12mb pp version which works fine for me, but to be honest I've not tried the 0 or 16 versions.
I'm also on the 05 radio, and T-Mobile like you, and to be honest haven't tried anything later because it seems to work fine. If it ain't broke...
I tend to keep all my common cab files on the internal storage, you can install from there and by default they aren't deleted. No need to copy to the windows folder. I've reset so many times I can get back to a full working system within about an hour these days! The advanced config tools out there means there is little need to hack about in the registry these days, and ROM's like the excellent Swift ones often have many of the reg optimisations already set.
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Hi Ewans,
OK, I've just updated to the 7.5 ROM so I'll check that out over the next 24hrs or so.. I've gone for the 12MB PP as to assess what difference it makes from the recommended 16MB PP Version.
You know, I might keep with the 08 Radio for a week or so and change to the 05 radio to see what differences I see..
Once I can pass on some observations, I will..

Dutty's ROM 2.0 Full, customized manilla abit (removed curtains, removed some tabs, add tabs [call history/comm manager], wallpaper)
Seems to be faster & more stable than Panosha's when i tested that but i haven't moved since as i got alot of apps installed and no decent way to backup the registry keys for them at the moment.

Critically low storage memory-Used clean ram, clearTemp and cleaned up my documents

I'm running a Tilt on a TPC Elite 6.5 rom, I have a couple of added apps on it but not many at all. I start getting the Critical... warning so I uninstall some apps that I have on there and it really didn't improve anything at all. I have use cleanRam and clearTemp very often but not much memory is regained and sometimes the mbs saved by cleanRam are not even credited back to the storage memory. I have searched forums and websites for about two weeks and tried every possible fix (moving caches to mem. card) but nothing works. My memory actually went down 1-2 mbs while I was just on a call. Bottom line is I love my Tilt but I'm exhausted with this problem. Any suggestions before I have to re-flash or trash the Tilt??

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Okay I know its is not the apps, I uninstalled 2 apps and virtually no storage memory change at all. I have noticed that my My Device>Windows folder is huge but I figured it is supposed to be.

Search TPC thread for deblogger

Wow!
Thanks man, 95 mbs in that folder. Do you know its purpose?

That's cool
It's because Mega M2D is beta so i imagine the deblogger provides some kind of info to HTC during testing purpose but can't be 100% on that.