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Making Wizard run faster

Is there anyway to, as they say 'overclock' the wizard. It's a great PPC/phone, but runs quite slow. Thanks. [/b]

try the search button. use querry "omap"

The utility in this thread is what you need: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=55782
It works on the Wizard, Charmer and Prophet. After installing you should find that you can run your device at 260Mhz rather than the factory set 195. 8)

Was able to download the battery-plug-in software. didn't damage anything on my wizard, but am not realy sure if it increased the speed or not. stil seems mighty slow.

You'll find this by searching too, scattered about. Programs like SPB Diary, SPB Pocket Plus make the Wizard sluggish even when you've overclocked. I learned the hard way to be very choosy about programs that run automatically. Today agenda, SPB weather, PHM Traylaunch and Batterystatus are the only things on my today screen. Smartskey insures that practically nothing is running in the background. I have the latest rom, and I used Xelencin's version (now my own version) so that I have much more space on the device. The effect of all this is that my device is very snappy, except when it decides it needs to talk with the network at length and a good 15 seconds can go by while it does something with the network. Then it just doesn't do anything for 15 seconds, which seems like an eternity when you are about to show someone something, need to check an address or phone number, etc. But 90% of my complaints went away when I eliminated automatic programs, many of which I'd spent money on. It isn't that these programs don't offer functionality, they do, but most of that functionality is also offered by programs that have a smaller footprint.

You'll find this by searching too, scattered about. Programs like SPB Diary, SPB Pocket Plus make the Wizard sluggish even when you've overclocked. I learned the hard way to be very choosy about programs that run automatically. Today agenda, SPB weather, PHM Traylaunch and Batterystatus are the only things on my today screen. Smartskey insures that practically nothing is running in the background. I have the latest rom, and I used Xelencin's version (now my own version) so that I have much more space on the device. The effect of all this is that my device is very snappy, except when it decides it needs to talk with the network at length and a good 15 seconds can go by while it does something with the network. Then it just doesn't do anything for 15 seconds, which seems like an eternity when you are about to show someone something, need to check an address or phone number, etc. But 90% of my complaints went away when I eliminated automatic programs, many of which I'd spent money on. It isn't that these programs don't offer functionality, they do, but most of that functionality is also offered by programs that have a smaller footprint.

I like SPB Diary and Pocket Plus though. Between the larger cache trick and OCing it with battery status, the speed is fine for me. It was a mite too slow without the OC.

After using it for a little less than half a day, I do feel that there is some improvement in terms of speed. However, it still pales in comparison with the xda mini which I used to use. Is this the maximum speed that the wizard can process?

omapclock
Do you have omap running? I run mine at 247MHz but some people are running as high as 260 and report stability.

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Do you have omap running? I run mine at 247MHz but some people are running as high as 260 and report stability.
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Yes - 260Mhz is just fine. 8)

I use omapclock and clock to 264 MHz with it, rock solid at that speed, but higher speeds are no go. The battery plugin shows 286 MHz when omapclock says 264 though

Yeah, have mine running at 260mhz, but don't see much improvement still. Am i doing something wrong? I copied the cab file into the main memory (but not directly into the windows folder), then executed it.

Yeah, have mine running at 260mhz, but don't see much improvement still. Am i doing something wrong? I copied the cab file into the main memory (but not directly into the windows folder), then executed it.

How do you know it is at 260?
If you use batterystatus, you can toggle back and forth from 260 to 195. That way you know if it is running and how fast. It doesn't need to be in Windows; mine is in My Documents/Programs. But it needs to be turned on; it is off by default even if installed, which is why I asked.

Updated-aku-3 Roms V2 For Htc-wizard 3.3.0.0

OK, here's the scoop:
This ROM is to be considered BETA, it is provided as is.
It is the real deal, Windows Mobile 5 AKU 3.3 OS Rom.There are no IPL, SP
ALL DEVICES DO NEED to be CID Unlocked IN ORDER TO INSTALL THIS ROM
BE SURE YOU ALREADY HAVE 2.x IPL/SPL & RADIO ROM ON YOUR DEVICE BEFORE FLASHING THIS ROM.
For Rom Flashing & CID Unlocking Help see this thread.​
ALL Applications and installers are integrated directly into the Rom so G4 Users can use this one without problems. The Extended Rom does have a Carrier Settings Utility and a couple of extras but nothing that is critical to the operation of the Rom. If you have a G4 which won't allow the Extended Rom to write don't worry you will be fine.
THE ORIGINAL ROM WAS made by : Faria, Molski, Dr Puttingham, rkwhyte2, Kyphur.
Any posts in this thread asking about CID unlocking WILL BE MODERATED.
The Features of this ROM:
REGISTRY:
Performance tweaks
Clear type On
GPS icon activated
GPS fix for additional com ports
Java support for certain web pages
999 emergency supports
Always show time in the top bar
Lunar view in calendar
BT stereo activated
Smart dialling activated
Time page in phone setting
V-card thru SMS supported
Improved clear type font
Media player set to repeat and random plus full volume
Full volume in phone and media player
APPLICATIONS:
TOTALLY NEW Version of Arc-Soft MMS
Recent Documents Auto Cleaner
Java Midlet Manager
Windows Live
* Live messenger
* Live search
HTC taskbar
Media Streamer
Dot NET Compact Framework 2
Macro media flash 7
New SIM Manager
Ringtone manager
Adobe reader
BT sim contacts
Contacts Backup
Contacts Manager
New Camera Module
New Comm Manager
Pocket RAR
New BT stereo profile (yes working A2DP)
More wireless security profiles supported
Battery status
LVM Time
Redial App
Smartskey
SMS Backup
Screen Rotate
Core player with all the codec’s
Total Commander
Task Manager
Mobile Secretary
New Menu for WM5
GB-Soft Tweak
CROSSBOW ENHANCEMENTS:
Crossbow Theme
Crossbow Dialler Skin (Updated with Moski Colour Fix)-Crossbow Media Player-Crossbow Icons-
And now the warnings:
Use this thread wisely, No CID Unlocking or how do I flash this Rom questions. If you don't know this already then you need to read before attempting to flash any Rom.
Change log for v2 roms
Welcome screen bypassed except time zone
Fixed smartdialer
Fixed auto complete in messaging
Registry wizard added to the control panel
Memory app added to the tray
New reboot app [less resources]
Clea type in landscape
Removed today agenda
New splash
New htc logo
Cleaner program layout
Smart dialling 2.2 [downgraded due to incompatibility issue]
Wireless 54g support
Obex on
Support for audio/video
3g2="video"
mp3d="audio"
aac="audio"
qcp="audio"
And best of all there is a choice of page poll 8mb 6mb and 4mb roms,note that the lower the page pool the more ram you will have but performance will decrease.
For ram freaks I may be inclined to post a rom with 2mb page poll! But bear in mind that you may miss 1 year of phone calls before the device rebbots.ehe
A special thanks goes to Bepe and Risidoro for helping with the page poll business.
Credit also goes to everyone that created the freeware software included in the rom ,and also everyone that helped testing the rom.
Download
8mb page pool rom here
6mb page pool rom here
4mb page pool rom here
patches
download patch here
Known Issues with this ROM:
please refer to the wiki page below for solutions before posting
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index...name=faria_3_3
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OPERATION:
Ram will decrease 2-4mb upon inserting SD card , this is due to the high performance of the rom .
faria

Cool will download as soon as I write this and test it.
Loved the first version and the SMS auto complete in SMS help speed up messaging by a few seconds.
Thanks for all your work guys !
******* WAS WONDERING WHY I COULD NOT DOWNLOAD IT! HEHEHE STILL UPLOADING I SEE !
******** JUST LOADED IT! LOVE THE SPLASH SCREEN! NOW LET ME GO THROUGH THE SETUP.
********** Loaded, Tested and configured. Had to reset after everything that I needed to add was added as it was kinda laggin. Love it. Great Job Guys !
I AM USING THE 8MB version !

Cool, Will download as soon as it is done UPloading

A***** ROM!!!! Good rom faria got it and it is so much better!
Good to see the the 4Mb is uploading now!! that is the one i want!
And a BIG Merci

Thanks
Just thought I would say thank you for taking time and creating yet another great ROM.

Sounds good, great stuff buddy!
Gonna test it, just to see what the maestro had build
Molski

What about the audio big? (((((

was this not fixed in the update of the last one? Cus they both already worked for me!
Fixed smartdialer
Fixed auto complete in messaging
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Good to see that the re-set after the first boot does not happen anymore for me!!! would have to re-sewt 2 times before it would get go!!! A********

Flexer said:
What about the audio big? (((((
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as far as i know ther is no audio issue.....have you tested with another rom?

Well i am going to give it a good ruin and then i will be back!!!

Page Pool
Faria
Thanks for this rom, I really liked the first one but soem of the problems were too much to live with and I was very close to going back to one of the earlier ones.
I dont know much about page pools but from the first post here you say a smaller page pool the less performance.
Why would anyone want less performance and more ram? what is the benefit of more ram?
Thanks again
I have just downloaded and will no doubt spend the next few hours salivating.
Bhayani

faria said:
as far as i know ther is no audio issue.....have you tested with another rom?
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Yep.. To be specific I didn't have any audio bug, was happy.. Until i received a call.. Then audio from the player came out.. And it's the same every time
After soft reset audio is OK.. After a call - everyone hears my music and calls.. BTW. This is with headphones plugged in, on G4 (

Nice Work... Gonna give it a try right away

hail to the mighty one

Glad to hear the about the page pool guys, about the sd booting slower I guess that's why in the previous rom all the shortcuts I had for apps on the start menu that were installed on the sd would have blank icons.
Also registry wizard already installed? genious guys, pure and simple genious. Word of advice though, since registry wizard won't recognize the AKU version it won't dissable some options that you shouldn't play with, namely on "TWEAKS 2" page "Taskbar Date/Time" be sure to uncheck that as it will be checked by default and if you apply that tweak the area where the clock is of your taskbar will probably get screwed up. I know of at least that one, I pretty much use all the other ones with no problems.
Anyways can't wait to play with the proper versions of these roms (I had installed the one with the broken TCMP, but before I said anything Faria had already noticed and was already reuploading the fix..... what a guy)

bhayani said:
Faria
Thanks for this rom, I really liked the first one but soem of the problems were too much to live with and I was very close to going back to one of the earlier ones.
I dont know much about page pools but from the first post here you say a smaller page pool the less performance.
Why would anyone want less performance and more ram? what is the benefit of more ram?
Thanks again
I have just downloaded and will no doubt spend the next few hours salivating.
Bhayani
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from the WM blog:
The Page Pool
Applications use RAM in two ways. There is code that runs, and there is data that is created while it is running. On a NOR device, the code can run directly from the ROM and not be loaded into RAM first. This process is called XIP (eXecute In Place). NAND devices can't XIP, so their code is loaded into RAM and executed from there. If you don't have a Page Pool, this code is loaded into normal RAM. The Page Pool is a mechanism to limit how much code is loaded into normal RAM. With a Page Pool, we can unload code that hasn't been used in a while and reload it later if we need to. We can't do that without a Page Pool.
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Even after reading that it is still not clear what the paging pool is used for - can't understand why it increases performance!? Does anybody have a better description - didn't find anything when googling...
How I understand the explanation: if there is no page pool at all then all the started apps will go into RAM and reside there. With a page pool code that is "not needed" at the moment will be unloaded and reloaded (from NAND) later. But then - where is the performance boost??

Tried downloading about 5 times so far and it bombs out right at the end?
Is it just the amount of people trying to download it simultaneously
Andy

DoctorT said:
from the WM blog:
Even after reading that it is still not clear what the paging pool is used for - can't understand why it increases performance!? Does anybody have a better description - didn't find anything when googling...
How I understand the explanation: if there is no page pool at all then all the started apps will go into RAM and reside there. With a page pool code that is "not needed" at the moment will be unloaded and reloaded (from NAND) later. But then - where is the performance boost??
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I'm no programmer, but it sounds quite a lot like the use of Virtual RAM back in the day of DOS and whatever the heck they called RAM between 640-1024K. The bigger the 'window' for swapping non-current data between RAM and a HDD, the better the speed performance.... I remember that there was also a king of tipping point, below which swapping was effectively one-way, and above which it was effectively two-way.

Regardless of how page pooling actually works, are there any guidelines or rules of thumb for page pool size versus free program memory after soft reset?
(While I'm not a "RAM hog", I do prefer more than less, as I live with MSVC, emoze, and sometimes a GPS app)

rpodos said:
are there any guidelines or rules of thumb for page pool size versus free program memory after soft reset?
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mmmhhh - let me guess - 1MB less PP means 1MB more free RAM...
But I still don't understand the sense of a PP - on a desktop the page file is just needed if you don't have enough RAM - it doesn't boost the performance, just let's you run more apps at once if you just have little RAM (BTW, yesterday I saw a PC with 128MB RAM which was running WinXP - unbelievable...)...

audio manager is great but...

most of the time when i go to play songs it gives me the critically low memory and will only let me close the audio manager program. I've got a 6mb page pool. I'm using the tmob wing base RUU which probably eats up a ton of RAM though. So are there any suggestions on how to go about fixing this or freeing up more memory?
I'd like to make an ultra lite release for the wing. But I don't have much time to learn how to cook right now...

Audio manager took up significantly less memory than WMP for me. Do you have the audio manager installed to your device or memory card (I can't remember if it gives you the option)?
Also, how many mp3s (I assume) are you trying to play? Check to see how much memory you have left after you open audio manager. Make sure you have other programs closed as well--meaning they don't show up in the task manager; not just pressing the OK button to minimize the program.

It's installed directly to the device. Also, It happens when I open an album usually, which is like 13 songs. It scans the files by there tags so it's hard to get around it.
Everything in the task manager is closed as well. I believe it's just the low amount of memory available on the Tmob default RUU (even with 6mb page pool). I'm waiting for a lighter weight firmware to come along.

sorry wrong topic..

applecarriage said:
It's installed directly to the device. Also, It happens when I open an album usually, which is like 13 songs. It scans the files by there tags so it's hard to get around it.
Everything in the task manager is closed as well. I believe it's just the low amount of memory available on the Tmob default RUU (even with 6mb page pool). I'm waiting for a lighter weight firmware to come along.
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Why not just do the quick pagepool fix. Then you don't have to worry about reinstalling a rom or anything, it's all automated and just adjusts your pagepool size. Takes like 2 seconds, plus reboot.

yeah thats what ive been using. im about to try "TMO Wing Original ROM with TouchFlo added" wish me luck.

I have had the same problem.
I am using the stock tmo wing rom.
are the newer roms worth it. I know they where when I had the mda, but feel like treating the Wing as a much more sacred devise

yeah man the roms people are releasing are way better. i think they all pretty much have htc home built in by default (including audio manager) and they don't give me any memory problems.
i recommend trying out touch~itv2.0, just make sure you have the t-mobile RUU downloaded in case of brick(it happened to me alot until i standardized my rom flashing procedure, and even then it still happens sometimes)
the only thing is that if you wish to try touch~it v2.0 windows media player is set as the default for htc home so to change it to audio manager follow these directions:
1.open up either total commander or phm regedit (they both are included in touchit2)
2. navigate to HKLM/Software/HTC/Music Plug-in and change the music player value from 1 to 2
3. start the audio manager from the programs folder and then exit it
4. soft reset
worked perfectly for me just keep in mind touchit2 has the wing default page pool size of 12mb so you'll want to use quick page pool changer (the one with all the batch files) and set it to like 4mb or 6mb. and overclock too so you get better performance.
once htc home is integrated with audio manager correctly and you have a memory card it's like having a really nice touch screen mp3 player
let me know if this works alright for you!

Thanks I took the plunge today.
Installed Touch it lite. I bricked the phone 2 times, but am up and running. I like it so far, much better.
I feel like a donkey for waiting so long

yeah i had touch it lite for a day. and then i tried to flash to pdaviet .14, but it just kept bricking my phone. so then i tried flashing to touchit lite again but it just kept bricking my phone so i ended up just using the official RUU for a day or so and then flashing touch~it2, which i think is the best so far. you should try it if you have any stability problems with touch~it lite.

It's day 2 so far. Lite is working just right. But will keep the version 2 in mind should I feel the need. Clocked at 260 and ticking right on

yah i had mine at 260 as well but it kept freezing and crashing and rebooting so i lowered down to 247. everything works fine anyways

AT&T Tilt missing memory?

Hello everyone,
My Brand new Tilt, 1 week old, seems to be missing program memory.
I have ~85Mb total, 33 in use, and 51 free.
This is about 20Mb lower than the units I played with in the various stores when I began shopping and from various review sites. They have ~101 total, 25 in use, and 75 free which I verified when I exchangfed my unit for another new one.
A hard or soft reset don't do anything. I do have an 8Gb microSD card installed and only iContact and iDialer installed to it. Removing it did not help of course.
rom:3.57.502.2 wwe dated 7/17/08
radio: 1.65.21.18
protocol: 25.88.40.05H
I had originally thought my Tilt was defective and exchanged it for another and voila, I get the same reading. Next I thought it maybe the few dozen contacts stored on the sim; deleting those had no effect naturally.
Does anyone have an idea of where the extra memory went?
Thanks,
Tim
ps - I would also like a recommendation. In reading here I came across the video driver thread. Being able to connect to wifi, play games, and watch movies were the criteria in getting this phone. Should I return this and get the Samsung Epix or the Fuze (if its in at my store yet)?
Thanks again,
Tim

Bloatware?
Hello Popatim,
first off, welcome to xda-developers. This is a great site with a lot of cool people and is rich with information. First question for you, do you have bloatware installed like the free trials and demos of useless software? If so, follow the instructions in the wiki for the att tilt, here. That freed up a ton of memory for me. Hope that works for you,
Dave

Just to be clear I am referring to Program Ram and not Storage.
removing the bloatware has freed up about 10M of storage and my program Ram is at
total: 85.32
In use: 32.64
Free: 52.68
...not much change I'm afraid.
Any ideas? Whats your phone at for comparison.

Your RAM numbers are totally normal. The phones you saw in stores must have been running older WM6 ROMs with a smaller pagepool, leaving more available RAM.
However, I wish you luck trying to fill those 52MBs. I think I came close to that once, running about 20 applications simultaneously including several particularly heavy ones.
i.e worrying about that just makes no sense.
And my Kaiser has always played videos just fine.

kilrah said:
Your RAM numbers are totally normal. The phones you saw in stores must have been running older WM6 ROMs with a smaller pagepool, leaving more available RAM.
However, I wish you luck trying to fill those 52MBs. I think I came close to that once, running about 20 applications simultaneously including several particularly heavy ones.
i.e worrying about that just makes no sense.
And my Kaiser has always played videos just fine.
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Well it does make sense if you use for example opera mobile I have about 40mb of memory free on my kaiser. When I open S2P it drops to around 30 and with opera mobile running with all three tabs open it can drop to 5mb and less...and then the system closes one of the apps to free up some memory.

Opera mobile even with 3 tabs open never used more than about 12MB here...

kilrah said:
Opera mobile even with 3 tabs open never used more than about 12MB here...
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It depends on the site....for example try watching a youtube clip in opera you'll see the difference

This an issue which is well documented in numerous other places. Please try searching before opening a new thread. Redundant thread closed.

D2 high RAM usage..

I've been trying to find something about the subject but no luck so I'm posting it here.
I'm not sure if it's just a case of my D2 but the RAM consumption is extremely high. After about 48hrs since the last soft reset, with no application running, the RAM consumtion is whopping 74%!?!?! Reading from the windows Memory card is saying: Program: Total 183.73MB, In use 134.71, Free 49.02MB. Out of supposed 288MB of RAM on D2 this looks quite scary to me, I'm experiencing slowdowns of the system when I'm switching between Opera, Mail, ocassional phone call and Contacts. I hope my D2 is not faulty, but I'd like to hear from you guys if this is a common thing or a problem with my D2. I compared with my colleague's Touch Pro and he's never nowhere near these figures, he gets max to 50%, if that.
Any help is appreciated.

yeah, she's a leaker. I'm sure your device is fine. I think Opera chews up a lot. I notice bigger drops after using Opera.
Have you tried using CleanRam? You'll be pleased with its performance. I usually run it once a day or so and it keeps the memory 50% or lower.
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-cleanram.html

The Single biggest thing you can do to speed up your TD2 and release a lot of that RAM is to switch off TF3D. It's a much better phone without it in so many ways.

WMguy said:
yeah, she's a leaker. I'm sure your device is fine. I think Opera chews up a lot. I notice bigger drops after using Opera.
Have you tried using CleanRam? You'll be pleased with its performance. I usually run it once a day or so and it keeps the memory 50% or lower.
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-cleanram.html
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this one worked for me..sktools seems dont have enough privilege to kill some exclusive task. One main culprit is opera running in the background all the time..

I have been worried about what I thought was very high memory usage since I've had my TD2. Mine seems to settle at about 75%.
I have also noticed this drops to about 55% with TF3D turned off. As I like the TF3D interface a lot I'm not willing to lose it for the memory gains. I have tried running memory intensive apps like TomTom with TF3D on and off and there doesn't seem to be any significant difference.
I have been using Oxios CloseApps to free up memory. This work pretty well, but I'm going to give CleanRam a go, and see how it compares.

WMguy said:
yeah, she's a leaker. I'm sure your device is fine. I think Opera chews up a lot. I notice bigger drops after using Opera.
Have you tried using CleanRam? You'll be pleased with its performance. I usually run it once a day or so and it keeps the memory 50% or lower.
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-cleanram.html
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Many thanks, buddy, the app works a treat! D2 still manages to get to 75% of memory usage after a day or so but at least I don't have to restart to get to down 60%. It is still weird though, 75% of RAM constantly in use without an intervention - is this the way it was designed or just a poorly tuned ROM?

My TD2 stick %64-65 level after one week usage without soft reset .. Even with TF3D
Daily used programs are;
Opera *****
Youtube ***
Chronos alarm * (3 alarm set for morning.. also chrono and timer sometimes..)
iGO8 *
Resco File explorer *
Resco Photo Viewer *
GS Finder *
Pocket Music ***
Pocket Player * (for mono bluetooth headset music transfer at gym )
Core Player ***
Mobibook **
Several games **
* Stars indicate usage frequency for daily usage...
...but i'm upgrade my 1.39 stock rom to new asia 1.40... Before upgrade, it's like yours %75 memory usage or above.. 1.40 rom seems reduce memory consumption..

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Many thanks, buddy, the app works a treat! D2 still manages to get to 75% of memory usage after a day or so but at least I don't have to restart to get to down 60%. It is still weird though, 75% of RAM constantly in use without an intervention - is this the way it was designed or just a poorly tuned ROM?
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Well interesting...my HTC Raphael never goes over 55% and have similar apps in use as you do...

Mine usually is around 55%-60%.
Can I ask how you close opera? Do you just hit the x or do you exit from the menue. i have noticed that when I exit through the menue the ram percent drops significantly. I also saw an increase in batterey when I started exiting through the menue and not the x button.

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Well interesting...my HTC Raphael never goes over 55% and have similar apps in use as you do...
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I already mentioned that in the very first post.. My colleague's Rafael rarely gets over 50%, that's why I started to wonder if there's something wrong with my Topaz

Compared to the Raphael, the TD2 has more memory consuming apps, such as having the Enhanced TF3D with much more functions including the new start menu, new contacts center, new notifications & a higher resolution screen to name a few.

Don't worry about it
Free memory is wasted memory.
Your device should be using all the memory it can to cache all that it can and keep as many of your applications running as possible. That's how your device can switch between apps quickly. If you start another app which requires more memory than is currently available, WM will close one of the least used applications to make room. Until you start that second app, there's no point at all in closing the first one just so that the free/unused/wasted memory figure is increased. Symbian devices have had this behaviour for years and in fact it's been in place in WM for quite a few versions. Glad to hear that HTC's TF3D is making better use of it.
As it happens, Vista now adopts this policy, compared to previous desktop Windows versions: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000688.html.

HTC Touch Freak said:
i have noticed that when I exit through the menue the ram percent drops significantly. I also saw an increase in batterey when I started exiting through the menue and not the x button.
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This is the ticket with Opera at least. I noticed today that if you tap the X button, it will disappear from the HTC Task Manager so you think it's closed. However, I have SPB Mobile Shell 3.0 and also use its built in task manager assigned to one of my hard buttons. When the HTC TM shows no Opera running, I bring up the SPB one and sure enough it's still running. I wonder if HTC makes an exception to Opera due to the push internet feature so it doesn't appear in the Task Manager.
So, in other words, if you want to close Opera, use the 'Exit' command within the program.

*Any* program can make itself disappear from the user-facing Task List simply by declaring itself as a background task. My own D2 right now is running 14 of these background tasks, including Opera. Think of it like the difference between the "Applications" and "Processes" tabs in the regular Windows Task Manager. It's been suggested that Opera runs all the time to manage the Push Internet pages, although as I've said in an earlier post, there's nothing wrong in it staying around (so long as it's not consuming much CPU/battery), so that it's ready to be pushed to the front immediately when the user requires it.

You can make those "Back Ground" applications appear in the HTC Task Manager by deleting (or renaming) their names in the following registry:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\TaskManager\ExclusiveList\System\