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Hello. I've bought the kaiser and after the first batterie charge, i've seen that by the morning has the 100 per cent and 4 hours after it has the 74 per cent.
it's normal the consum?. why its consum is so big?.
I'm spanish. I'm sorry for my english.
Thanks.
Imanoltxo said:
Hello. I've bought the kaiser and after the first batterie charge, i've seen that by the morning has the 100 per cent and 4 hours after it has the 74 per cent.
it's normal the consum?. why its consum is so big?.
I'm spanish. I'm sorry for my english.
Thanks.
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Check the ussuall parameters that affect the consum for the device, like "Transfer", Wifi, Data Connection, BT, power save parameters, etc....
In the night, i left the PDA at 100%, and in the morning 8 hours later i have 96%... only 4% all night...
Regards.
Battery
jcespi2005 said:
Check the ussuall parameters that affect the consum for the device, like "Transfer", Wifi, Data Connection, BT, power save parameters, etc....
In the night, i left the PDA at 100%, and in the morning 8 hours later i have 96%... only 4% all night...
Regards.
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Hello and thanks for your answer. the wifi is of, bt is on but I'll power off, over the power save, in two minutes the kaiser is of. It shows in the top the icon with "3g" (I can't remove for the "g" normal...is this one motive for the excesive consum?.) and I think that no conixion es maked. In practice I don't make nothing for the consum. Other thing, please. The gps...why I have to connect to "gps fast" (gps rapido in spanish) before to make something with the gps. Each 6 days I have to connect to internet (wifi or gprs or lan or etc.).?.
Thanks.
the program you are referring to is merely a sattelite update utility; set it to automatically update and forget about it. i dont know that you HAVE to update it all the time, but it does make connecting and finding sattelites much easier.
As far as the battery, a new battery needs to charge and discharge several times before it will reach its maximum battery life, so it being discharged faster than you would expect is actually normal. you should notice its life will be extended after you charge and discharge it a few times, nothing to worry about
Imanoltxo said:
Hello and thanks for your answer. the wifi is of, bt is on but I'll power off, over the power save, in two minutes the kaiser is of. It shows in the top the icon with "3g" (I can't remove for the "g" normal...is this one motive for the excesive consum?.) and I think that no conixion es maked. In practice I don't make nothing for the consum. Other thing, please. The gps...why I have to connect to "gps fast" (gps rapido in spanish) before to make something with the gps. Each 6 days I have to connect to internet (wifi or gprs or lan or etc.).?.
Thanks.
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Well, you need to take care about all the parameters, Trasnfer (Transferir en castellano) waste a lot of battery. 3G conection take more battery that GPRS, and you must be sure that no process access internet in background. Try to switch between GSM and UMTS to see if you get better results.
About GPS, GPS Rapido starts every time you power on the device, so you don't need to start it before to use TomTom or any other GPS app. Simply start TomTom and have fun
you dont have to connect every 6 days, its just recommended to get super speedy locks thats all
I have BT on always and see about 4% loss of battery each night. I use the comm manager with a 3G button and turn off 3G, using EDGE most of the time unless I need a fast connection. I think this 3G connection is the main reason for higher battery consumption over night, EDGE is lower. Always keep WiFi off unless you are actively using it.
As far as Quick GPS/ Rapido, if you use active sync regularly with your PC, it updates every time so it will seldom if ever need to get a update over GSM since it gets 6 days of data at each update.
Regarding new lithium batteries, they don't need cycling like nicads to get full capacity, just charge and go but never leave them dead, ever.
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Slade8525 said:
the program you are referring to is merely a sattelite update utility; set it to automatically update and forget about it. i dont know that you HAVE to update it all the time, but it does make connecting and finding sattelites much easier.
As far as the battery, a new battery needs to charge and discharge several times before it will reach its maximum battery life, so it being discharged faster than you would expect is actually normal. you should notice its life will be extended after you charge and discharge it a few times, nothing to worry about
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Thanks. Is the same the cable who comes with the kaiser (usb) that the cable normal for the qtek 9100 or qtek s100 for to charge it?.
Bye.
Different things
jcespi2005 said:
Well, you need to take care about all the parameters, Trasnfer (Transferir en castellano) waste a lot of battery. 3G conection take more battery that GPRS, and you must be sure that no process access internet in background. Try to switch between GSM and UMTS to see if you get better results.
About GPS, GPS Rapido starts every time you power on the device, so you don't need to start it before to use TomTom or any other GPS app. Simply start TomTom and have fun
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Hello and thanks. I can't quit de "3g" button for to change to "G" (gprs). I don't know and I've looked for all the setup.I can't only gsm, it must to be gsm+umts (in differents bands).
Today at 00:00 100 per cent. Today at 05:00 95 per cent. It appear too much, or not?.
Imanoltxo said:
Hello and thanks. I can't quit de "3g" button for to change to "G" (gprs). I don't know and I've looked for all the setup.I can't only gsm, it must to be gsm+umts (in differents bands).
Today at 00:00 100 per cent. Today at 05:00 95 per cent. It appear too much, or not?.
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Go to Settings, Phone, Band tab. Select "GSM" in the "Select your network type" (the first) pick list. Leave the second "Select your GSM/UMTS band" as Auto.
Doing this will force your Kaiser to use GSM/GPRS/Edge and not allow it to use UMTS or HSDPA (3G). Try this to see if it makes your battery last longer.
This change will reduce battery consumption the most. However, you can't use 3G speed network, unless you change it back. To do so, set the first pick list back to Auto.
THere's a way to add a selection in the Comm Mgr to do this, but not sure if you would be comfortable doing it. It simply does the same thing as the above with a button press.
jomo25 said:
THere's a way to add a selection in the Comm Mgr to do this, but not sure if you would be comfortable doing it. It simply does the same thing as the above with a button press.
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Could you please describe or link how this is done?
Imanoltxo said:
Thanks. Is the same the cable who comes with the kaiser (usb) that the cable normal for the qtek 9100 or qtek s100 for to charge it?.
Bye.
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Yes, the same cable...
jomo25 said:
Go to Settings, Phone, Band tab. Select "GSM" in the "Select your network type" (the first) pick list. Leave the second "Select your GSM/UMTS band" as Auto.
Doing this will force your Kaiser to use GSM/GPRS/Edge and not allow it to use UMTS or HSDPA (3G). Try this to see if it makes your battery last longer.
This change will reduce battery consumption the most. However, you can't use 3G speed network, unless you change it back. To do so, set the first pick list back to Auto.
THere's a way to add a selection in the Comm Mgr to do this, but not sure if you would be comfortable doing it. It simply does the same thing as the above with a button press.
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Here is one post that helps adding 3G button into the commManager... to switch on/off the UMTS connection.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1543416&postcount=23
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Hi all,
Just another quick battery question... While I know on my Jasjam that having the Wifi switched on drains the battery like no tomorrow, was wondering how long the battery on the Tytn II / Kaiser lasts with Wifi. Is it similar a similar length of time to the Tytn / Jasjam?
A friend is looking at getting it, but has said that he will be using Wifi almost all the time.
Does AT&T's Tilt and 8525 share the same battery? or just like TyTN and Kaiser using different battery??
Penske MB said:
Does AT&T's Tilt and 8525 share the same battery? or just like TyTN and Kaiser using different battery??
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No, they are different batteries.
3g out=batterie better
jcespi2005 said:
Here is one post that helps adding 3G button into the commManager... to switch on/off the UMTS connection.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1543416&postcount=23
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Hello. I can see that without 3g the batterie go better.
Thanks to all for your help.
I recently applied the Kaiser tweak to disable idle connections after 1 min - this works great when the phone is on, however, when it goes into sleep mode, this fails to work.
E.G. If I click send/receive on my emails then quickly put it into sleep, turn on the device in 10min and it would have stayed connected, once it is turned on after a minute it will disconnect.
This morning I turned on the device to see that it had connected to receive emails last night and had stayed connected for hours - of course once I turned it on the tweak kicked in and it disconnected after a minute.
So my question is, how do you get the tweak to work whilst in Sleep? Any work arounds?
Thanks in advance!
Hi
If you are referring to GPRS/3G there is no problem the connection remaining active. It isn't really active unless data is being transferred, it is just the session remains ready for data. The mobile operators prefer it working this way as it is less strain on the network creating a data connection and keeping it rather than setting them up/closing them down/setting them backup again.
It doesn't use any more power by remaining up.
The software isn't shutting down the connection when you have the phone in standby as quite simply the software will not be running in standby, everything stops in standby, so the program can't run to turn off the connection, until you turn the phone on again.
Regards
Phil
Hi Philip,
From my experience I have found that even if the data connection is open with no data flow (HSDPA / 3G ) it drains the battery much more than if it were closed.
Or is this just for HSDPA?
snaveint said:
Hi Philip,
From my experience I have found that even if the data connection is open with no data flow (HSDPA / 3G ) it drains the battery much more than if it were closed.
Or is this just for HSDPA?
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There is a blog that explains what is happening from Microsoft.
I would guess that while the connection is active something on the device is seeing that and stopping the device from entering standby.
The actual connection itself remaining open does not drain any more power as it isn't doing anything different than just having your phone on waiting for a call.
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/07/14/666203.aspx
Regards
Phil
Hi Philip,
Thanks for your response.
I have to say though from the last few days of tinkering, an open connection does drain more than a closed one even with no data flowing. This is with HSDPA, I have not tested this with just a 3G open data connection though...
Are we talking about the same things? I'm a bit new to this phone though sorry.
Thanks,
is there any way it can help my tilt from preventing battery drained..it was fulled charged at 11 pm (only instant message was still running but no messages), woke up at 9am and theres only 53% battery left. i barely listening to music but when i do it killed faster.
changing radio can change the rate of battery drain
What type of Messaging were you running? What program? Some keep a continual data connection & if you're in 3G territory that can easily account for that battery drain.
I used to leave HSDPA on and auto check email every 10 mins, my battery only last more than a day even without any phone call in this time. I was then disabled the 3G + HSDPA, just leave the GSM on (changed this in the phone's band), my battery now last about 4 days and still have some power.
Your data connection kills your battery severely, this may be what caused your battery drain 50% over night.
my 3G is always on. I have internet and everything. does 3G interfering my internet connection?
u can get very good battery life when 3G service is deactivated.
also make sure disable wifi, make sure when not in use no application will auto on the wifi...
make sure device lock is set to lock all buttons.
seanv said:
I used to leave HSDPA on and auto check email every 10 mins, my battery only last more than a day even without any phone call in this time. I was then disabled the 3G + HSDPA, just leave the GSM on (changed this in the phone's band), my battery now last about 4 days and still have some power.
Your data connection kills your battery severely, this may be what caused your battery drain 50% over night.
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what does HSDPA do? i turned off 3G already. i pay unlimited monthly internet so are those things that i turned off interfering anything from it? i Disable HSDPA already and my internet still connecting. sorry for many questions but im pretty new at this tilt.
Just make sure the icon and or mobile operator name has no 3G indication. Yes u still can get connected via internet, which is through your GPRS, which online activates when as you wish. 3G is passive mode whereas GPRS is dynamic.
Im not sure how to change the settings, but I always see my 3g staying connected for long periods right now its at 45 mins. Im not sure how much it affects the battery life. My battery still says 98 % so I guess it's not too bad, but I still dont need it on all the time. Also I have changed the connection to shut off in kaiser tweak after 5 mins.
Thanks for the help
Well I installed new Comm Manager with 3G button. I turn it of there. It still connects to GPRS when I go to Internet but stays connected only for 1 minute because I have set it like that in my KaiserTweak.
pole-os said:
Well I installed new Comm Manager with 3G button. I turn it of there. It still connects to GPRS when I go to Internet but stays connected only for 1 minute because I have set it like that in my KaiserTweak.
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which version KaiserTweak are you using?
Its probably staying connected as you have an app running that wants it connected.
If its dormant but connected I don't think there's any real downside.
Im not really sure what would be keep the connection alive. Is there a way to tell what app is using the connection ?
all I know of is just using the process of elimination. Use the task manager to turn off a program. If the 3G doesn't turn off a little after that then move on to the next one.
There used to be a mod that kept the phone on E always (for battery saving purposes) until data was required or being used, then it would switch to H automatically. Does that exist for the Tilt? I had it on my old 8525....
thanks
ld-runner said:
There used to be a mod that kept the phone on E always (for battery saving purposes) until data was required or being used, then it would switch to H automatically. Does that exist for the Tilt? I had it on my old 8525....
thanks
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Perhaps I mis-understand what you mean but here goes... I am not aware of such a mod.
The handset can be operated in GSM (2G) or UMTS (3G). Potentially faster data connection speeds are available (at possibly higher battery drain) when you use the 3G mode (if available to you) - in this case when a 3G connection is available it may be possible to use the HSDPA data connection (automatically demanded by your hanset only when data is required) but that depends upon: whether you have that service available from your providers masts, whether they have enabled for you it and also whether your handset has the HSDPA setting enabled.
On the other hand only GPRS or EDGE (see wiki here) may be available when a 2G/GSM connection is available. EDGE is basically an enhanced version of GPRS but does not match HSDPA speeds.
So you are mixing the EDGE data indication "E" with the HSDPA indication of "H". The only way your handset can go from EDGE to HSDPA (or vice versa) is if your signal received changes to provide HSDPA from EDGE (perhaps as you change location).
Of course you can disable both 3G and seperatly HSDPA - then you are left with either G or E (use the comm manager and/or the various tweakers).
Beware - some ROMS are incorrectly showing the H instead of 3G when no data connection is active and this is a known problem.
Probably too much detail but may help .
Regards
tony.wheeler said:
Of course you can disable both 3G and seperatly HSDPA - then you are left with either G or E (use the comm manager and/or the various tweakers).
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He needs a program to switch between those modes automatically instead of manually though the comm manager, when he enables/disables a data connection..
VirgilWoods said:
He needs a program to switch between those modes automatically instead of manually though the comm manager, when he enables/disables a data connection..
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yeah, that is right.
You know what I do. I use Kaiser Tweak or AdvancedConfig to tell it to Disconnect my 3G connection after 3 minutes. Then When a program needs Data it connects to The 3G network, than when It doesn't need it it disconnects after 3 minutes. Phone still works otherwise. And My battery lives for days.
ld-runner said:
yeah, that is right.
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Let's see if I get this..
You want to run the handset in 2G (GSM) mode for normal voice comms but when you want data you want to switch to 3G (UMTS) so that HSDPA can be used?
I personally haven't seen anything that can do that automatically and understand the problem is that to change from one band to another actually requires a cycle off of the actual phone. There are plenty of programs out there that cycle the phone mode - perhaps you should put this requirement to Dani who has developed a Comm Manager Pro program - his software does this cycling of modes but based upon time and place (for instance) rather than the trigger that you want which is when a data connection is required. Try looking at this http://www.commmgrpro.com/ and asking Dani who is always on this site with the Hermes forum here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299070
Good luck .
Gotta be careful forcing the phone to Edge/HSDPA. Particularly if you force it to HSDPA.
I took a 2 hour road trip today and it took me coming back to figure out why my phone wasn't even getting a signal; it was forced to 3G. I set it to Auto in BandSwitch and it had a signal immediately.
Whoops!
speaking of road trips and HSDPA...
i took a trip today with my wife to Washington and had perfect signal the entire time.. until my battery died of course.
but HSDPA all the way..
i live in Jersey and have travelled to the NYC, the UK and Puerto Rico and have yet to get bad reception...with my old blackberry... im damn near posivtive i woulda had lag
JimmyMcGee said:
You know what I do. I use Kaiser Tweak or AdvancedConfig to tell it to Disconnect my 3G connection after 3 minutes. Then When a program needs Data it connects to The 3G network, than when It doesn't need it it disconnects after 3 minutes. Phone still works otherwise. And My battery lives for days.
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How come I have been to stupidd to figure this one out myself????? I was soo curious how folks were getting great batterylife....
Damn back to school I am.
JimmyMcGee said:
You know what I do. I use Kaiser Tweak or AdvancedConfig to tell it to Disconnect my 3G connection after 3 minutes. Then When a program needs Data it connects to The 3G network, than when It doesn't need it it disconnects after 3 minutes. Phone still works otherwise. And My battery lives for days.
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i manually control my data connection through comm manager. i always have 3g off too on comm manager. However, my battery sucks ass and it doesn't last longer than 18hrs with normal use. However, my backlight is at full blast because i can't see the screen outdoors if i don't have it set to 100%. Wish i could see the screen outside during the day and i wish the battery life lasted longer.
redbandana said:
i manually control my data connection through comm manager. i always have 3g off too on comm manager. However, my battery sucks ass and it doesn't last longer than 18hrs with normal use. However, my backlight is at full blast because i can't see the screen outdoors if i don't have it set to 100%. Wish i could see the screen outside during the day and i wish the battery life lasted longer.
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I usually cup my hand to act as a shade around the screen. I can see the screen well enough at the 3rd lowest setting.
JimmyMcGee said:
You know what I do. I use Kaiser Tweak or AdvancedConfig to tell it to Disconnect my 3G connection after 3 minutes. Then When a program needs Data it connects to The 3G network, than when It doesn't need it it disconnects after 3 minutes. Phone still works otherwise. And My battery lives for days.
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Have you noticed any kind of lag in your device when using the AdvancedConfig auto disconnect feature? I "feel" that when I have this feature turned on the device lags a bit. So instead I have the long press end key mapped to terminate data connection and I end up having to hit that so many times during the day.
Hello
This is sort of on the same lines. I use the com manager built into the custom rom im using ( L26_Kaiser_Diamond_V9 ) and throttling back from a 3G/HSDPA connection to the Edge signal. Ive noticed a huge difference battery life. Before i would only get about 4-5 hours standby because I had an application running that kept the HSDPA active previously. If you use a messenger service like IM+ I strongly suggest upgrading to a rom like L26 that has the ability built right into its com manager. It more than doubled my battery life with 0 cost to messaging performance. If i have to hop onto the net or tether, its a simple button switch to re-enable 3g