Database Develop

Manilla vs. Htc Home

This topic may be a bit premature seeing how manilla 2d is still in it's beta stages but...
I havn't tryed Manilla 2d yet but for everyone who has, what do you like/dislike about it? Would you prefer it over Htc Home? Why would you? I'm using Htc Home right now. Especially with the nice Htc Customizer.

I suggest you try it first, before creating a thread - it only takes 5 minutes..
and to answer your question I prefer Home.

Manila absolutely no question about it. Seriously, this is like asking if one prefers a bumper car or a real car. Just my .02 but i think you'll find most will choose manila.

over Manilla
I found this thread while looking for a non Manilla ROM after being annoyed by the screen rotation to not want to use it any more.
Looked cool initially...

it looks cool and stuff but i changed back from manilla to the htc home because manilla had to many bugs

todd737 said:
I found this thread while looking for a non Manilla ROM after being annoyed by the screen rotation to not want to use it any more.
Looked cool initially...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Search for AthineOS. He made two roms, one for manilla and one for htc home. Rom is superfast. I also suggest Duttys_WM6[1].1_5.2.19700_Hybrid_V2 rom. Not so lite as AthineOS rom, it's a very good rom and always had decent battery life no matter what radio u used...
Back to topic..
This is exactly what i wanted. So far poll is 2-2. I think Manilla will outweigh HHome once all the bugs are tweaked and landscape = 100% other than the quick fix he has out right now. In any case, they are both really nice apps to have for our today screen and for the authors to have many donations going there way..

Home until the bugs are sorted although have recently fiddled with mobile shell and throttle launcher. I find I keep going back to home with ultimate launch.

swtaltima said:
Manila absolutely no question about it. Seriously, this is like asking if one prefers a bumper car or a real car. Just my .02 but i think you'll find most will choose manila.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Great analogy mate haha
I figured I would try Manila2D for a day and then go back to HTC Home when it first came out in a Rom but from the moment I first used it I fell in love with the feel and ease of use. You can navigate through all the menus using your finger or DPad as prefered whereas Home tended to be very fiddly and I was always using my stylus or the start menu to get where I wanted. Im using SJ's OPAL build 11th Oct now and I have absolutely no bugs and its extremely fast and responsive. In my experience most of the people who have experienced problems in the latest builds have been down to bad flashes. I always advise everyone to shut down all other programs and keep the Rom update program in the foreground when flashing and to take out the sim card to avoid all posibility of glitches occuring.
Manila wins hands down anyday.

I use neither, because:
1. Manilla vanilla, shmanilla. Sheesh, if I wanted a touchflo device I would buy a Touch Pro/HD or something like that. Every second thread in development and hacking is about manilla something or other. Enough already.
2. I HATE fingerprints, smears, etc on my screen.
3. HTC Home requires far too much Today real estate!
This is my setup:
PhoneAlarm Pro with B&W pure Skin (small footprint)
PDC (Pocket Digital Clock) with Alien Round fonts
Sun n Moon
Homescreen ++ (Ex Batterystatus) with Tray Icons activated.
SPB Traveller
TodayAgenda
And then I use S2U2 with an animated gif. That's it.

I use manilla. I love the customization of it. I love using my fingers to get to the things I use. I alos love the themes I can make. Home just never appealled to me at all. I was lucky enough not to have my phone bit for a week or two before M2d came out.

I use Manilla. It's attractive, responsive, and well laid-out. It's not perfect, though -- I find the built-in weather app pretty weak and I like Live Search better than Google Maps. But even with those complaints, I still prefer Manilla.

You forgot the "None" option. No matter how hard I try, I keep going mad at those "newfangled" interfaces - both of them - and end deactivating them after 1 hour.
Good'ole today plugins and Quickmenu rule.

MANILLA!
If I wanted things plain ole, I'd buy a flip phone or something. Manilla looks great, works great and I wouldn't have anything else.

The new ThrottleLauncher 0.9.5 Beta destroys Manilla. I cannot stand how hard it is to customize Manilla (not graphically), where ThrottleLauncher can be customized very easily. The lastest release is quite fast!

MACkjam said:
I use neither, because:
1. Manilla vanilla, shmanilla. Sheesh, if I wanted a touchflo device I would buy a Touch Pro/HD or something like that. Every second thread in development and hacking is about manilla something or other. Enough already.
2. I HATE fingerprints, smears, etc on my screen.
3. HTC Home requires far too much Today real estate!
This is my setup:
PhoneAlarm Pro with B&W pure Skin (small footprint)
PDC (Pocket Digital Clock) with Alien Round fonts
Sun n Moon
Homescreen ++ (Ex Batterystatus) with Tray Icons activated.
SPB Traveller
TodayAgenda
And then I use S2U2 with an animated gif. That's it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes you can always buy a new device with TouchFLO but roms are something free.
I have used Manila for a few weeks and, trust me, you won't have fingerprints on your screen unless your fingers are sweaty. You will always wipe away your fingerprints with touchs

tanked said:
The new ThrottleLauncher 0.9.5 Beta destroys Manilla. I cannot stand how hard it is to customize Manilla (not graphically), where ThrottleLauncher can be customized very easily. The lastest release is quite fast!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm definitely keeping my eye on ThrottleLauncher. I like it a lot in concept, and customizability is great. But my experimenting with the 0.9.5 Beta didn't impress me much. It still felt a little sluggish and I just couldn't control it as accurately and quickly as manilla.
I need to try loading it onto a lighter ROM and doing a little customization.

typo said:
I'm definitely keeping my eye on ThrottleLauncher. I like it a lot in concept, and customizability is great. But my experimenting with the 0.9.5 Beta didn't impress me much. It still felt a little sluggish and I just couldn't control it as accurately and quickly as manilla.
I need to try loading it onto a lighter ROM and doing a little customization.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Make sure you installed NetCF 3.5, and that apps are set to use it as defualt. I turned off all the transarency and went into the vars.xml and set my fps to 30 (because the editor is 20 max). It's smooth and quick.
PM me if you want the NetCF 3.5 standalone cab and NetCF config tool cab. I don't want to hijack this thread more than I already have.

why doesnt a chef put the new TL on a rom ...that would be so cool

I like having all my info available to me on one screen, especially the weather. I have my phone set up to use HTC home, Calendar++, and weatherbug. I don't have any ugly scrollbars on my screen, I have a clear view of messages, time, next appointments, and weather for the next three days, all without having to click through various screens. Plus, Manilla, HTC Weather, and pretty much any other built-in weather app I've used does not have weather info for my small town I live in, but weatherbug does, plus I get severe weather alerts and it's very customizable.

I hate Manila, it sucks to me! HTC Home allow you to have more things under control on the screen. HTC Home no doubts

WM 6.1 Theme

I was wondering if anyone here knew where to aquire a WM6.1 theme based on the show "24"? Or, could possibly teach me how to create this for myself? Basically i am trying to find a way to have the back ground all black and with yellow or gold numbers and letters. (I did try googling this but to no avail)

so a black background with "24" in the foreground? And making everything else gold/yellow/white?

well I went ahead and made one (kind've practice for me ) you might like it you might not but here it is the theme is in the ZIP and the picture is what it looks like

You can always " get with the program " so to speak. Upgrade to M2D and use this theme:
http://cay720325.deviantart.com/art/24-TV-Series-Theme-104743869

wow KaiserII01, thats great work, and FAST too!! Some has got to teach me how to do that!! I downloaded it and am putting it on my phone as soon as I get home!!
What exactly is M2D? Is it still the standard WM OS or a different type? I must be honest I really like the 6.1 UI (I am weird I know)

Its just a interface for HTC's Touch Device Series (except for the Touch Pro Diamond, Touch HD etc.) its pretty smooth and nice for getting to something quickly

Touch-IT 5.05 RC2 Vs Touch-IT 21202 WM6.5 RC1

Hi All..
Can you share which one do you prefer?
Touch-IT 5.05 RC2 (OR) Touch-IT 21202 WM6.5 RC1 ?

wat a good question u asked ther. for me, really really hard to decide.
wm6.5 got nice n smooth interface but cant get touch hd camera driver n all rhodium nice stuff.
wm6.1 v5.04 got all nice stuff n nice to cope with daily usage which mean more practical usage everyday.
in da end, i still choose wm6.1 v5.04 better la.. i feel like it got better ram management as it loads opera instantly from ram. more practical.
touch hd camera also provide better low light shooting. auto forus all da time also nicer.

besides ts.. u should make this thread as poll rather than ask like that.

I love Touch-IT v5...cant imagine me converting to the 6.5 rom...though I have never tried it.
Maybe I will if I have some spare time.

although 6.5 looks really nice, I'm gonna hold the update till the final version is released.
today, 5.04 works nicely, no problems at all after aplying the fixes found in the thread and very much better than the (really lite) stock rom-

Can't decide
I'm undecided... Its like I'm caught between two lovers... Personally I find the latest 6.5 ROM to be much better with RAM management, but like devalian said, the 6.1 ROM is much better for daily usage.
I was honestly expecting a lot more bugs in the 6.5 ROM but it actually worked exceptionally well. For those who haven't tried 6.5, I suggest you try it, those who haven't tried the latest 6.1, I suggest you try that also, either way, you can't loose.

lolz honestly mate i just got my phone tday and im on 4th rom ,and out of all those, and judging only on first impresions i like 6.5 i know there are bugs and stuff but nothing deal breaking ill keep the 6.5 for a while.

I am torn between my iPhone and Xperia X1. I want to switch my daily working phone from iPhone to X1 but the bugs in WM6.5 keeps me switches back to iPhone.
I am not a big fan of TouchFlow, the email envelop of the touchflow turned me off.

I prefer wm6.5. so far with wm6.5 RC1, the phone is fast (fast in scrolling, screan orientation..and others) and the battery can last longer (2 days).
However, I like the Opera browser in touch it 5.05 because it has a slider touch to change the zoom level and it has vibration feedback when clicking the link.
Until now, I have no idea why the opera browser in 5.05 different from others.

kluks said:
I am torn between my iPhone and Xperia X1. I want to switch my daily working phone from iPhone to X1 but the bugs in WM6.5 keeps me switches back to iPhone.
I am not a big fan of TouchFlow, the email envelop of the touchflow turned me off.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
give me 1 reason why you swith to iphone????
ive been using 6.5 for a while now and it seems realy stable to me

jibran said:
give me 1 reason why you swith to iphone????
ive been using 6.5 for a while now and it seems really stable to me
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
1. The phone canvas is too dark and the touch keypad is too small I can't use it outdoors
2. When the phone is in lock mode any incoming phone call will make the phone not responding
3. battery life is short ( might be a bug in the software, I charged the phone to full before went to bed, in the morning I checked the battery it is still full so far so good, I then used the phone lightly just view emails and made a couple of short calls, bluetooth and wifi is off. During lunch hour I checked the battery again it was 50% already. with the stock rom I normally use the phone for 3-4 days under the same usage)

kluks said:
1. The phone canvas is too dark and the touch keypad is too small I can't use it outdoors
2. When the phone is in lock mode any incoming phone call will make the phone not responding
3. battery life is short ( might be a bug in the software, I charged the phone to full before went to bed, in the morning I checked the battery it is still full so far so good, I then used the phone lightly just view emails and made a couple of short calls, bluetooth and wifi is off. During lunch hour I checked the battery again it was 50% already. with the stock rom I normally use the phone for 3-4 days under the same usage)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Then use the stockrom

In my opinion the WM6.5 Touch-it is far superior. im loving it at the moment

Im not a manila fan so i go for wm6.5 rom.
I find TF3D boring, not appealing and troublesome to add program 1 by 1.
Why? The flip clock is always there with [Call history and Calendar] which coulnt be changed. I prefer it to be something like CommManger or MSN or something else. 3days and I getting bored already. Moreover you can only change the background image for Home screen tab and not others. Although there's something floating around the forum which let you change every wallpaper of the tab, i find it troublesome (yes im lazy) and not attractive. Its still the same ol tab just with different background. *Manila fans will hate me for sure
So i go for WM6.5 with something new - (Titanium) home screen & menu. Adding a weather & Windows Live tab to home screen, changed the honeycomb column, install some basic need program and my device is ready for use.
Some screenshot

dancemacabre said:
Im not a manila fan so i go for wm6.5 rom.
I find TF3D boring, not appealing and troublesome to add program 1 by 1.
Why? The flip clock is always there with [Call history and Calendar] which coulnt be changed. I prefer it to be something like CommManger or MSN or something else. 3days and I getting bored already. Moreover you can only change the background image for Home screen tab and not others. Although there's something floating around the forum which let you change every wallpaper of the tab, i find it troublesome (yes im lazy) and not attractive. Its still the same ol tab just with different background. *Manila fans will hate me for sure
So i go for WM6.5 with something new - (Titanium) home screen & menu. Adding a weather & Windows Live tab to home screen, changed the honeycomb column, install some basic need program and my device is ready for use.
Some screenshot
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So you're saying it could actually function for everyday use? I was under the impression the ROM was more or less ment as a preview for 6.5. I didn't realise there were versions of winmo 6.5 floating around which could actually be used
Does stuff like ms exchange, mail syncing, work on winmo 6.5? Do apps made for winmo 6.1 work on 6.5 aswell?

Magger said:
So you're saying it could actually function for everyday use? I was under the impression the ROM was more or less ment as a preview for 6.5. I didn't realise there were versions of winmo 6.5 floating around which could actually be used
Does stuff like ms exchange, mail syncing, work on winmo 6.5? Do apps made for winmo 6.1 work on 6.5 aswell?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, I've been using this ROM for everyday use since it came out (only annoying thing is answering the phone when it's on keylock)
MS Exchange works (mail, calender, contacts)
Most apps work fine, some show minor glitches (in PIM BackUp it's impossible to deselect messagefolders for backup)

Lokatho said:
Yes, I've been using this ROM for everyday use since it came out (only annoying thing is answering the phone when it's on keylock)
MS Exchange works (mail, calender, contacts)
Most apps work fine, some show minor glitches (in PIM BackUp it's impossible to deselect messagefolders for backup)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The phone thing is actually a big downfall for me, by keylock do you mean tabbing the upper button or keeping the lock key pressed?

Magger said:
The phone thing is actually a big downfall for me, by keylock do you mean tabbing the upper button or keeping the lock key pressed?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think he meant the keylock by software where you have to slide to unlock. I do think the keylock(slider) not too perfect at the moment.... and I don't use it.

TF3D and Mobile Shell

I keep going back and forth between the two on my Imagio, but I think once we get TF3D 2.5 I'll be able to stick with HTC's software. Question is: Will the Imagio handle it well?
BTW thanks for the resource here!

me too, I have been going back in forth between the current touchflo version on the Imagio and SPB Mobile Shell.
Has anyone come up with a tweak yet for touch flo 3d 2.5 for the Imagio.

SPB MS 3.5 for me
I have been playing with TouchFlo since the first version on the HTC Touch and it is just too much work. I downloaded MS3.5 and I couldn't be happier. It takes up fewer resources and the customization is as easy as dragging and dropping. I use the leisure theme with a five panel widget home screen. You can add picture frames as widgets among other cool items. The contact management is integrated with Facebook automatically and the smart dial is awesome. If I decide I want to do custom icons later, I can get as deep into the xml component as I want.

dbigdawg said:
I have been playing with TouchFlo since the first version on the HTC Touch and it is just too much work. I downloaded MS3.5 and I couldn't be happier. It takes up fewer resources and the customization is as easy as dragging and dropping. I use the leisure theme with a five panel widget home screen. You can add picture frames as widgets among other cool items. The contact management is integrated with Facebook automatically and the smart dial is awesome. If I decide I want to do custom icons later, I can get as deep into the xml component as I want.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
See, now, I get the whole "pretty" thing with this shell, but I found it to be just too confusing because it has a lot of redundancies. On the other hand, TouchFlo by HTC is really powerful, but it needs more "clues" to find all of its functionality. Idunno..I just wish we could get this thing hspl unlocked so that the gurus can start cooking up some new roms..

TF3D does not work for me. I need to quickly check email and delete tehm on the fly and access many parts of the phone. Why cant we load the new Sense UIon the Imagio. MS 3.5 is great but the contacts and dialer are badly broken. I cant search for contacts easily by typing parts of the name (only searches file as field) and from the dialer screen you cannot get into the details of a contact to E.G. select an alternate number to dial.

I have been trying both on my new imagio, and am currently sticking with SPBMS3.5. The main reason is that for some reason, the text messaging interface with TF3D messes up my ability to rotate to landscape when replying to a message. I am not sure why...
I have hard reset, and it works for a short period of time, because it seems to be using the standard Winmo texting interface. After receiving a message from a contact, the interface seems to switch to a custom TF3D version, and I can no longer use the landscape keyboard.
Plus I like that I can have virtually all the things I need on a sweetly configured main screen at one tap.
My two cents...
Gary

The folks over at PPCGeeks have unlocked the Imagio! And there are a number of ROMs already ready for flashing. As for TF3D and Mobile Shell, I have found no issues with TF, and with the new Cookies home tabs, its even easier for me. I tried that mobile shell, and there were too many reduntant applications, and by the time I got what I wanted set up, it was several pages between what I really needed and what I needed to go through. That, and after a couple days, my phone started to really get buggy. I finally gave up and went back to TF.
Now, that was before flashing to an Energy ROM. Things are much better now! Check out PPCGeeks HTC Imagio section, several ROMS there waiting for you!

You know I just saw those this weekend and they look very promising! Especially the MaxManilla on the horizon. I am not sure whether to go with Manilla or Cookies...Any thoughts?
As for the TF3D and texting, I did some googling and found the fix. Sorry, but I can't remember, but I think it was on PPCGeeks. Had to add some manilla reg values and change one other and voila! It works now. Still not sure if I like TF3D better than SPB, but I am giving it a shot. What I do like is that SPB can have multiple weather cities. I don't think that I like the 3D mail reader on either app.
Thanks again for the tips.
Gary

Need Help with TF3HDB3

I flashed my rom to 6.5 and then installed TF3HDB3 it worked fine. Then their was this app I installed that needed NETCFv35.Messages.EN.wm(The app was supposed to make TouchFlo have transparent top and Bottom bar) from their everything when downhill. I restarted my phone then I get this message saying shake .exe not working or some bull sh!t like that and now TochFlo wont launch So I uninstalled TF3HDB3, the app thats supposed to make the top and bottom bar transparent, and NETCFv35.Messages.EN.wm and now when I install it to the phone memory I keep getting TouchFlo can't install try a different location, problem is it has to be installed to the phone memory to work. I tried the memory card it works but that dosent help one bit. Please can someone help me out, Does anybody know why I can't install it to my phone memory anymore????, I hate titanium it's a freakin joke compared to TF3HDB3.Edit the app I was using to make the top and bottom bar transparent was MaxTF3D Theme Maker v4.1.

Update
I tried TFL3DB2 and itje full HD manilla CAB and they both installed correctly. Like what I had before, I installed Rostrain crystal touchx edition theme along with W7-TF3D icons cab. I posted pics to show what happen every time for both versions of TouchFlo HD 3D. On top of that after I uninstall crystal touchx and the W7-TF3D icons niether TouchFlo HD3D version will run again so have to uninstall them. I can't be the only person this has happen to, Please I know their is someone out their that Knows Something .

Why do i even bother even posting help threads this has to be the third thread I made where a 100+ people veiwed and not one tip or suggestion. sigh...... I miss motorolafans.com the days when I post a thread for help and get a response in the next 30 min to an hour not for 4-5 days later with 100+ people veiwed and get ABOUSTLEY NOTHING. Either my problems are so mind boggling that not one person out of the couple thousand people here has a "suggestion" or people really don't give sh!t on this site. My next smart phone is Defiantly going to be Motorola again.

Well dear... you got a very special problem:
TF3DB2 is a very old cabbed version of touch flo 3d from the htc touch hd. that was never build to run on winmob 6.5.
But I see that you've already learnt how to flash a rom. why don't you just choose a rom with build in touch flot from htc topaz/rhodium oder even htc hd2? they'll run a lot faste, have a lot more functions and are very stable.
good luck!

TheNicoT said:
Well dear... you got a very special problem:
TF3DB2 is a very old cabbed version of touch flo 3d from the htc touch hd. that was never build to run on winmob 6.5.
But I see that you've already learnt how to flash a rom. why don't you just choose a rom with build in touch flot from htc topaz/rhodium oder even htc hd2? they'll run a lot faste, have a lot more functions and are very stable.
good luck!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Funny out of 127 views finally one person finally says TF3DB2/B3 dosen't work right with 6.5 now thats freakin hilarious. @ TheNicot thank you for being kind enough for sparing your time and giving me a suggestion. The problem is after a flash it takes about 1-2 days to restore everything including with a backup program. 2. I've also read that some roms have a restart problem where the phone restarts by itself and I havent experiance that yet with gtrab's Pure 6.5. The main reason why I wanted TouchFlo3D was because of the Transparency with the Crystal theme, The W7-TF3D icons( which probaly won't work with LEO 2.5 anyway), and the panoramic back ground which is out now for leo 2.5. What bugs me the most about all of this is I had TF3DHDB3 with Crystal theme and W7-TF3D icons working flawlessly for 3-4 days straight no problem whats so ever until I got greedy with MaxTTF3Dmaker 4.1 trying to make the top/bottom bar transparent to match the theme and in the end it completley ruined TF3DHD in my cell and now it's back to the drawing board all over again with flashing to another rom.