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Apologies if this is not the right place to ask but....
I am considering getting an HTC Diamond Touch and I am on O2. Their "unlimited" data plan has a fair usage policy of 200Mb per month. Is this enough? I intend using push email, my personal IMAP email (with regular polling) and some web browsing, perhaps the odd bit of YouTube etc etc.
Also, if I am connected to my WiFi router at home and browsing the web, I assume that O2 dont know anything about that and it does not form part of the 200Mb.
Thanks

The Jones said:
Apologies if this is not the right place to ask but....
I am considering getting an HTC Diamond Touch and I am on O2. Their "unlimited" data plan has a fair usage policy of 200Mb per month. Is this enough? I intend using push email, my personal IMAP email (with regular polling) and some web browsing, perhaps the odd bit of YouTube etc etc.
Also, if I am connected to my WiFi router at home and browsing the web, I assume that O2 dont know anything about that and it does not form part of the 200Mb.
Thanks
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Each person has different requirements, however in my opinion, its no where near enough.
Will O2 care if you go over though?...

For everything you mentioned, except YouTube, I think 200Mb/month would be enough. But of course, it depends on HOW much YouTube you are planning to 'use'.
I don't have any numbers on how much data I use though, since my operator (Tele2Comviq, Sweden) allows up to 5Gb before they limit the transfer speed to 30kb/s.

Thanks for the responses, but not sure if it clears things up for me! I do wonder what O2 will do if I start to go over, might be worth a try!
As for the WiFi access, is my assumption correct?

The Jones said:
Thanks for the responses, but not sure if it clears things up for me! I do wonder what O2 will do if I start to go over, might be worth a try!
As for the WiFi access, is my assumption correct?
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You are correct!

Thanks again. I think I will take the risk and try it. I will try and remember to post back here with my results (if O2 have not already cut me off)

If you go over the fair usage limit, they are liable to start charging you £7.50Mb

chriswren said:
If you go over the fair usage limit, they are liable to start charging you £7.50Mb
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don't go barmy ouch

I don't know specifically about O2, but pretty much everyone, unless you're paying an extra premium for a "more unlimited than unlimited" internet access, block or exclude in the T&Cs streaming media like youtube. Check the small print.

You will definitely need more than that - but speak to them first if you are re-negotiating your contract. I was with them and they gave me a free data bundle which was much more than 200mb when I threatened to go to T-Mobile but then I did anyway as I could do without the hassle.
I do know though that with any 'fair usage' you can not simply be charged straight away, you should be given warning that you are approaching your limit. Having just checked my O2 conditions (which could be out of date) they will contact you to discuss your plan and if you continue to go over they have the right to request you stop or they can charge you. I've yet to hear of any of my friends being charged and I know they go over.

What app is using GPRS?

I recently installed SPB GPRS monitor as I found I was using up quite a lot of data each month on GPRS downloads.
I checked the report today and found that my Diamond had received 450kb of data between 2-3am this morning...whilst I was asleep...WTF???
What is frustrating is that I have wi-fi at home and any data downloads should be using that instead.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can find out what app(s) is using grps? I have checked the usual suspects such as weather, GPSfix, etc which are all set to manual updates. I also didn't have any other apps running at the time.
The problem is a moot one as I recently changed my data bundle with Orange so I'm unlikely to exceed my new limit, however it would be nice to know. I've also just downloaded NODATA which might also solve the problem.
Thanks for any help you can give.

Hi!
First you should try NoData. That little program help me to save money. You only enable data connection you use. NoData doesn't handle the WiFi connection, it only handle "dial in networks".
Which application use the GPRS Connection? There are a lot of applications. I think it could be the daily wheather forecast download.
CU, dc7os

I would be curious to know myself. I got my phone in the evening and started an unlimited data plan for it the next morning when AT&T call centers opened up. I did very little with the phone that evening, plugged it in, swiped around tf3d a little bit and thats about it. I didnt actually go on the internet and browse, download videos, or anything else that would seemingly account for the 4500 kilibytes of data it downloaded on its own hook that night. To the tune of 50 dollars as it was not covered by my data plan which wouldnt start till the next day. I called customer service when the bill came and they immedietly offered to throw the charge out. Score one for the often maligned AT&T customer service. Im now covered under unlimited data but I still wouldnt mind knowing which program is going out on the town and partying at night.

BUMP.
After a bit of investigation, I think the culprit might have been the RSS Reader application which was set on auto-updates. Although why it used GPRS and not the wi-fi I'll never know.
Anyway, NODATA is great and is really helping.

ATT Tilt Connection Sharing/Tethering Question

I used a downloaded CAB to enable Internet Connection Sharing on my Tilt.
I selected "MEdiaNet", turned off USB Connections in ActiveSync, and it's working as a modem. Congrats right?
Well, I'm worried that if I use it I'm going to get a monster bill from ATT.
I already use the browser on the phone all the time. Sometimes for hours at a time when I'm on the road, so I already have an unlimited PDA data package. I'm pretty sure there's some rule where I have to add laptop connect, but I'm wondering if anyone else has done this without having laptop connect and what the result was, billing wise.
I don't want to pay $60 just to use my PC to logon to non-mobile/flash sites, but it sure would be handy.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!

Yeah others have done this and we have talked about it in previous threads.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=24147543

yea this has been discused many times.
My good friend works direct for ATT corporate, att doesnt care how you use the data as long as you dont go over 5gigs in a month, once you hit the 5 gig limit you are put on a watch list to see if you do it again, if you do it again then they send you a letter saying hey your using to much data, if you do it again after the letter they make you upgrade or discontinue your service. they have no way to check if you are tethered.

Serious help with data usage.

All right, I need to explain exactly what my problem is and my circumstances. I'm using my Dream on the AT&T Network and I DO NOT have a data plan. I'm running CM v4.2.9.1 with all the rest that goes along with it in Cyanogen's guide. Okay? So now onto my problem. I just got my phone bill in and there was a $140 data charge. Now, that is OBVIOUSLY a big problem. I'm also 18 and on my parents plan so they were pissed. I use WiFi for everything I do and blocked everything else that I tought could possibly use cellular data. But apparently I missed something or maybe there's another issue. I'm desperately in need of some help on how to make sure my phone DOES NOT use any data AT ALL. I'm going to uninstall all my apps and go over all the options on my phone. So please if any has any information on how to fix this or anything else at all, please let me know. Also, if you need any more info, I can help out.

There are apps on the market that can monitor and/or block data.

Really? Do you know what some of the apps are called?

WG's build has an APN tool installed with the rom, I think that can help you.

evilkorn said:
WG's build has an APN tool installed with the rom, I think that can help you.
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True. It's called APNdroid. Either use WG's build, or just get APNdroid (I think it's in the Market, not positive, if not just pull it outta WG's .zip. It will completely disable all carrier data on your phone.

The Renegade said:
Really? Do you know what some of the apps are called?
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Data controller, toggle data widget. And then download a data counter app to monitor if and how much your transmitting.

carnegie0107 said:
True. It's called APNdroid. Either use WG's build, or just get APNdroid (I think it's in the Market, not positive, if not just pull it outta WG's .zip. It will completely disable all carrier data on your phone.
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+1 for APNdroid
by the way, you should probably consider yourself lucky to have your unplanned bill be "just" $140. Could have been much much higher.

lol mine was like 550$ but thankfully they dropped the charges cuz i told them my lil sister got my phone ...........just get the 10$ unlimited data plan thats what i did

Also, disable background data usage, Settings > Data Syncronization (use the power widget for ease).

Tone-E said:
lol mine was like 550$ but thankfully they dropped the charges cuz i told them my lil sister got my phone ...........just get the 10$ unlimited data plan thats what i did
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You lucky little ******. In Canada dataplans are $25 addition to phonebill for 500mb.

@Macmee:
If you live in Toronto or Calgary (soon expanding to Ottawa, Edmonton, and Vancouver), you should switch to Wind mobile. Though still more than $10, $35 for UNLIMITED is certainly a better option than Robelus. Their voice plans also kick a$$.

Tmobile blocking tether now. Anyone else?

I'm running chromatic and as of 3 this morning tmobile is blocking my tether. Has this happened to anyone else yet? They want to upsell me to add tethering for 15 more a month and it still has the 5gb cap (Total BS) The built in wired tether and pdanet both aren't working, don't know about wifi tether yet but I'm assuming its blocked too. I found some posts by some g2 users this has happened to. Any one else? I'm glad im paying $30 for "unlimited" data. Aholes.
Thanks!
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Wireless tether aka wifi tether for rooted phones from code.google.com should still work. I've seen other reports of such blocks with market programs.
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They popped me last night. G1 rooted running wifi tether for root users and pdanet. This sucks REALLY bad.

im using tether now to be on xda and facebook. im in new mexico and the only message ive gotten from tmoblie was there were slowing my download speeds for hitting my cap with unlimited data plan lol.

I have a rooted G1, and I usually use wifi-tether or Barnacle. Tried PDANet as well.
I've received 8 text-messages from Tmobile regarding my tethering being blocked. Odd thing was, I was streaming pandora-radio on the phone during a long car drive (~5 hours) while these things beeped away at me. I had tethered earlier for a few minutes to check my gmail.
Later when I tried to tether to check my email, any http requests direct me to an upsell message. However, Remote-desktop still works, FTP still works, and most everything except plain webpages work. Tmobile is asking $15/mo for 200MB of data, with $0.10/MB overage charges ontop of your 10GB "unlimited" plan.
I'm unsure of how they detect tethering. It seems to be based off of bandwidth usage, as there's no way for them to discern whether this is phone traffic or laptop traffic. The other thing that could be a possible giveaway is the number of connections that are open. I'd imagine the laptop has a few things open for windows update, msn messenger and who knows what, whereas the phone has Browser and Lattitude.
Regardless, this is balls.

user agent string
If they are blocking web browser traffic, but not other TCP/IP services like FTP or remote desktop, there's a chance they are fingerprinting non-phone web requests by looking at the user agent string. An interesting test would be whether or not you're able to still make HTTPS-only requests with the web browser on your desktop or laptop. It would take some evil hackery for them to be able to retrieve the user agent string from an HTTPS request.
See 14.43 of the HTTP 1.1 spec for a description of the user agent string.

Got around it by setting up an openvpn on cyanogen 6.1.0. Even if im not using tethering, im still gonna use openvpn for my data traffic, as they are probably using deep packet inspection, which means we no longer have any privacy on tmobiles network.
Im thinking about changing the default port to 443 so as far as they are concerned, im just browsing ssl sites on my phone (port 443 is the default ssl port for web browsing and openvpn uses ssl for encryption).
If you use this method, just be sure to reset you dns to to googles (8.8.8.8) otherwise they can still tell whether or not your tethering based on my experience.
Im seriously considering switching to sprint as i would actually be willing to pay for their tethering, i get 4g in my area and i have a lot of respect for sprint for not capping their 4g.
Maybe if tmobile offered more bandwidth or other features for their 15 bucks a month I would actually be willing to pay for it, but i AM NOT paying for data that I allready paid for. Data is data to them, my cap isnt changing, why should i pay more to pipe my data to my computer.

Correct me if I'm wrong but tethering for $15 essentially removes the 5gb throttled cap. Its the same as Sprint and their $10 fee. The 200mb plan is just a lower tier.
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JustinTArthur said:
An interesting test would be whether or not you're able to still make HTTPS-only requests with the web browser on your desktop or laptop. It would take some evil hackery for them to be able to retrieve the user agent string from an HTTPS request.
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Https to mail.google.com works just fine!
funkeee said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but tethering for $15 essentially removes the 5gb throttled cap. Its the same as Sprint and their $10 fee. The 200mb plan is just a lower tier.
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last time I was working the tmobile call-center for T3DS (spring 2010), the cap was 10GB. Although, that was nearly a year ago now. Samson had a lil' checkbox for "throttled" that was enabled at 10GB. perhaps a year and a half ago, maybe two now, they had disabled tethering previousy system-wide. Although back then I had a Motorola Krzr with no data, so I really had no clue what was affected.
The $15 thing is to enable tethering. two days ago it was offering me something around 40-50 dollars for "unlimited" (atop the $30 i pay for unlimited data), and $15 for 200MB (atop of the $30 i play for unlimited data). Of course, you must have a data-plan already in place. Looking at it again today, the page is different. It presents me with a mini terms of service, a button to add this package to my plan to enable tethering. No mention or word of cost.
And, visiting my.tmobile.com like it suggests... there's nothing on the official Tmobile website that I can find for the tethering package.
So, being the typical t-mo customer that I am, I called up the 1-800 number to whine and complain. I mostly want these annoying text-messages to stop. The rep said he could add on the tethering package for me, but I declined. He also offered to hand this over to his buisness group to see if these messages are being sent out in error.
TLDR: If I have to pay $85/mo minimum for smartphone with tethering abilities, i'd rather just give Verizon a call.

starnostar said:
Got around it by setting up an openvpn on cyanogen 6.1.0. Even if im not using tethering, im still gonna use openvpn for my data traffic, as they are probably using deep packet inspection, which means we no longer have any privacy on tmobiles network.
Im thinking about changing the default port to 443 so as far as they are concerned, im just browsing ssl sites on my phone (port 443 is the default ssl port for web browsing and openvpn uses ssl for encryption).
If you use this method, just be sure to reset you dns to to googles (8.8.8.8) otherwise they can still tell whether or not your tethering based on my experience.
Im seriously considering switching to sprint as i would actually be willing to pay for their tethering, i get 4g in my area and i have a lot of respect for sprint for not capping their 4g.
Maybe if tmobile offered more bandwidth or other features for their 15 bucks a month I would actually be willing to pay for it, but i AM NOT paying for data that I allready paid for. Data is data to them, my cap isnt changing, why should i pay more to pipe my data to my computer.
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I've never successfully set up openvpn before, could you assist with this? Or is there a guide you recommend for beginners?

work around
was cut off last night.
tried the "user agent switcher" plugin for firefox to see if they are blocking browsers rather than the tethering itself.
With limited testing, i found several agents that work. iphone 3.0 to name one... Now to figure a way to keep the web looking nice using these agents.

I just received my first text warning and was cut off immediately....the 5gig throttle was already a huge kick to my nuts...now they want me to pay to tether and still be under the same cap?! I hit 5gigs WITHOUT tether...I really don't know how tmo expects to keep any smartphone customers like this...
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The solution to this is very easy;
EVERYBODY needs to call up tmobile and tell them that you were NOT tethering, but changed the USER AGENT ON YOUR PHONE in order to make websites actually work since douchebag websites read that the user agent is for MOBILE and send you to their crippled mobile websites.

dhkr123 said:
The solution to this is very easy;
EVERYBODY needs to call up tmobile and tell them that you were NOT tethering, but changed the USER AGENT ON YOUR PHONE in order to make websites actually work since douchebag websites read that the user agent is for MOBILE and send you to their crippled mobile websites.
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Well... You can call them all you like. Previously working for a tmobile call-center, I can assure you little will be done. If I received the call, I would be opening up samson and checking your usage history. The billing system logs just about every bit of data transfered, although I cant remember if it lists URL's anymore. I would suggest telling them that you were tethering, decline on the upsell offer of the tethering package because you feel your "unlimited data" package actually means unlimited, then you can also tell them that it is interfering with the phones operation by itself even when you arnt tethering, and request some sort of further troubleshooting/ticket creation.
If you say you arnt tethering, but DID tether, we could usually see judging by how many connections were initiated over a period of time... There's only so much an android phone can do at once. Regardless, as a data/tech rep, the next step would be filing a network trouble-ticket and putting in your information for an "engineer" to review over. Theres little (if not nothing) for the follow-up/callback process. At this point I would be telling you an engineer/tech would review over it, and try to end the call by up-selling you a newer phone.
TLDR: Unless things have changed in the past year, You will only talk to customer-care rep's, and have no chance of getting your concerns to those who have any power over these decisions. However if you do call in, please be polite and patient with the rep. I've called in and informed them that these are being erroneously generated, and they've taken the time to make a ticket for me. (they were, I got 8 of the damned things while listening to pandora on my phone)

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Well... You can call them all you like. Previously working for a tmobile call-center, I can assure you little will be done.
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Not for a single call, but if EVERYBODY called and complained about it, it WOULD be dealt with.
If I received the call, I would be opening up samson and checking your usage history. The billing system logs just about every bit of data transfered, although I cant remember if it lists URL's anymore.
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Go ahead and check the usage history. A smartphone is capable of generating EXACTLY the same data use as a tethered computer.
I would suggest telling them that you were tethering, decline on the upsell offer of the tethering package because you feel your "unlimited data" package actually means unlimited, then you can also tell them that it is interfering with the phones operation by itself even when you arnt tethering, and request some sort of further troubleshooting/ticket creation.
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And that is EXACTLY what you do NOT want to do, because as soon as you do that, all discussion is over.
If you say you arnt tethering, but DID tether, we could usually see judging by how many connections were initiated over a period of time...
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That might have been the case in years gone by, but no longer.
There's only so much an android phone can do at once.
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Huh? The limiting factor here is the NETWORK, not the hardware. It is TRIVIAL to open up dozens of connections for lots of different services on lots of different servers. Just because it is beyond YOU does not mean that **I** can't do it.
Regardless, as a data/tech rep, the next step would be filing a network trouble-ticket and putting in your information for an "engineer" to review over. Theres little (if not nothing) for the follow-up/callback process. At this point I would be telling you an engineer/tech would review over it, and try to end the call by up-selling you a newer phone.
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And once that request has been filed, you don't think that statistics will be run on the nature of the various requests? 200 thousand complaints about this nonsense knocking out normal phone data traffic, you don't think that would be noticed?
TLDR: Unless things have changed in the past year, You will only talk to customer-care rep's, and have no chance of getting your concerns to those who have any power over these decisions. However if you do call in, please be polite and patient with the rep. I've called in and informed them that these are being erroneously generated, and they've taken the time to make a ticket for me. (they were, I got 8 of the damned things while listening to pandora on my phone)
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As I've said, numbers talk. I certainly don't advocate calling up and threatening anyone, but if the numbers are overwhelming, then corrective actions MUST be taken.

Please look at my post regarding T-mobile tethering
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26649587#post26649587