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Written by Nick Farrell
Secret deals
Fruit themed toymaker Apple has decided to reject its own operating system on the iPhone in favor of Windows Mobile OS.
According to a company insider the change is needed because it was impossible to get the next generation 3G phones to operate under existing OSX guidelines. Although Apple is not happy with the change our insider said they have worked with Microsoft to develop an interface that looks identical and there was a belief that users would be none the wiser.
The Windows OS is proving more reliable than OSX, which has been a target for hackers ever since Apple tried to lock the iPhone into exclusive deals. A source within Microsoft said that the two companies had so much in common that it was logical that they should work together on such a flagship product.
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Link to Article: http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6580&Itemid=70
Hmmm...You think the new Iphone will have any new toys for us? Fact or Fiction?
Cant belive it
WOW, this would be great, if this does happen, it would be the only thing made by apple that i would actually consider buying. But i wont belive it until i see it at my local AT&T store.
Another win for Microsoft.
Heh, isn't it a little late for April 1st "news" stories?
You did read the date that was posted, right?
Clearly it's a fact, and clearly this is a Kaiser issue
No way this would ever happen, that just sounds so funny.
idj1975 said:
Heh, isn't it a little late for April 1st "news" stories?
You did read the date that was posted, right?
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Yeah, kind like the April First announcement of WM6.1 being released from MS to OEM & carriers. That was some joke too, like that would ever happen, huh?
Ohhh, wait it did!
Anyway, I don't think it's true, but I also don't think you can discount things simply because they were posted on April 1.
The article was posted at 1438, so can't be an April Fool as they don't count after 1200.
If it was a joke made after 1200, the the fool is the article's writer.
I have my doubts, but it would make me feel less "dirty" to own one if it was in fact M$ powered.
Somehow I just don't think that Apple would ever allow one of their products to run something Bill Gates produced. But hey, who knows, crazier things have happened. People keep bricking their phones even with all of the information readily available!!!!
Not a chance.
P1Tater said:
Somehow I just don't think that Apple would ever allow one of their products to run something Bill Gates produced. But hey, who knows, crazier things have happened. People keep bricking their phones even with all of the information readily available!!!!
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I for one fully agree with you, steve and bill have been rivals for a long time, even if it ran win mo, i still would never buy it do to the fact its a apple device and it is typical that any software apple produces the useability still makes me feel like i don't own it apple does.
GSLEON3 said:
Yeah, kind like the April First announcement of WM6.1 being released from MS to OEM & carriers. That was some joke too, like that would ever happen, huh?
Ohhh, wait it did!
Anyway, I don't think it's true, but I also don't think you can discount things simply because they were posted on April 1.
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Yes, but that was believable due to Microsoft announcing a 0.1 version upgrade to an existing product line.
Apple willingly running WinMob instead of OSXMobile on the iPhone would not happen due to all their commentary about how OSX is so much better than Windows & how only the "cool" people use Apple products. If they put WinMob on the iPhone, it's like saying OSX really isn't the hottest sh*t since cinnamon toast....
Besides, I don't give a sh*t either way since it still won't have a hardware keyboard making it the noGood.
apple has used other MS products in its machines like MS office. BUt i doubt they would use a MS o/s in a flagship product like the iphone.
but we did see how palm originally had their phones with the palm o/s, but then offered a windows mobile version of the same phones too. to capture a good part of the market.
maybe apple may make a wm version to try and capture the windows mobile community. but due to the crazy rivals, its unlikely, but not impossible. windows mobile users out number iphone users. so why not make an iphone with wm o/s to get those users? it's not such a crazy idea. maybe when it comes down to it, it's about principles, would apple want to put its principles on the line to get those WM users.
P1Tater said:
Somehow I just don't think that Apple would ever allow one of their products to run something Bill Gates produced. But hey, who knows, crazier things have happened. People keep bricking their phones even with all of the information readily available!!!!
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Ever hear of Office 2008 for Mac?
bengalih said:
Ever hear of Office 2008 for Mac?
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Last time I checked Office 2008 was not an OPERATING SYSTEM. In other words, have you ever seen an Mac running XP or a HP or whatever running Apple OS? Wow, I thought everyone knew that software could cross the platform battle line.
_Alex_ said:
Here's an idea. Rather than speculate about it endlessly, why not just email the author, as I've just done?
*edit* I know, I know... I'm a killjoy
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Nice idea. Email sent.
Here's an idea. Rather than speculate about it endlessly, why not just email the author, as I've just done?
*edit* I know, I know... I'm a killjoy
I can't believe this thread exists. The clearly spoofed article wasn't funny or believable on April 1st, and its even less three weeks later.
Yeah I agree,
This is never going to happen. Apple put way too much time and money into their own OS why would they ever trash it and go with something M$ made.......
Not real why was this ever made into a thread.
Right now the Diamond is the best phone on the market and that includes the iPhone. But I think it will be my last Windows Mobile phone, it all depends on whether Apple can fix the shortcomings of iPhone next time around. The main reasons I will jump is because
1) The iPhones slick UI and large screen
2) iPhone is getting better developer support than Windows Mobile - eg where are the windows mobile facebook, myspace and shaznam apps? they dont exist. Imagine the situation in 12 months!
3) Storage - 4GB is too small. 16 an above.. much nicer.
Things Apple need to improve for me to jump ship
- Bluetooth file exchange
-A2DP
-MMS
-Video calling
-Open up the phone - let me use it as a USB storage device, let me dump media on it without itunes
- VGA screen?
- Let me sync tasks over exchange
- Support external storage cards?
Thats really it for me, and they are getting close. I do love Windows Mobile but its the lack of developer support now that irks me. It never used to be this way, but now sadly use Windows Mobile users are being ignored.
First off, Apple loves to keep you in their little world, so you'll never be able to use an iPhone outside of iTunes to transfer files. Second, most of the Apps cost money, the WinMo availability of freeware is above and beyond IMO. Third, why not just wait around for a Touch Pro (up to 32GB) if you want memory card support? I agree with you in some ways, the iPhone has a very appealing UI and big screen, but I can't say I'll be converting any time soon. I'll leave the iPhone 3G to my girlfriend and be happy with a Touch Pro, whenever that may be. Best of luck with whichever device you choose, hope your cellular experience is a good one.
Well in terms of UI - yeah the Diamond works well. The main thing that concerns me is developer support, and im noticing this as my other half has a 3G iphone now. Nothing new is being developed for windows mobile, yet the app store continues to thrive.
Have you used facebook on iphone, its amazing - I can view all my contacts pictures in full screen high quality. Now the Diamond has a higher resolution screen.. so wheres its facebook app.. oh right there isnt one. Same with myspace, same with skybymobile, same with shaznam, same with ebay - there just isnt the support for windows mobile anymore, so this is going way beyond the matter of UI and frills
As for storage - come on! would it have killed HTC to put a micro SD slot in the Diamond? The Touch Pro is ugly and obese, not an option for me
I need communications.
What the f** should I want facebook and all those other crap site need for ???
If you need phone for entertainment get yourself that I phone. But I need it for my business and I'd be ashamed to hold up an I phone in front of customers.
It's that little toy thing, an I phone. The diamond isn't and does the job with sms, calling, exchange, activesyncing, emailing, easy to use, and some photo's videos just as good not better.
I get tired of these topics.
There's a program for eBay but it's $3.99 a month I think, as for MySpace, MySpace Mobile? I don't know, but once SkyFire releases it won't matter... It'll all be as good as we've ever seen it.
darthbane2k said:
As for storage - come on! would it have killed HTC to put a micro SD slot in the Diamond? The Touch Pro is ugly and obese, not an option for me
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Well I'm from the states, so of course I have no morals when it comes to obesity... Touch Pro for me!
darthbane2k said:
Things Apple need to improve for me to jump ship
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darthbane2k said:
- Bluetooth file exchange
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Wasn't neither intruduced by iPhone 3G nor Firmware 2.0. How long do you want to wait for a feature that almost ANY other bluetooth-enabled device supports just on market appearance?
darthbane2k said:
-A2DP
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see above.
darthbane2k said:
-MMS
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see above. MMS ist just as old as bluetooth btw. I remember of my SonyEricsson T68i which was one of the first MMS mobiles that also had color screen and bluetooth.
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-Video calling
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see above. 3G iPhone claims to support UMTS. For me, video telephony is substantial part of UMTS. So what? Apple fooled you again.
darthbane2k said:
-Open up the phone
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This will NEVER happen. Apple even tries to hire hackers just to make their software more closed (They call it secure)
darthbane2k said:
- let me use it as a USB storage device, let me dump media on it without itunes
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Also unlikely to happen. Older iPods had this feature, has been disabled later on. I don' t think they' ll jump forward and backward all the time and just stay with how it is atm.
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- VGA screen?
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Maybe. Still Apple would come too late with this. Already (widely) available on the market.
darthbane2k said:
- Let me sync tasks over exchange
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Did you read iPhone 3G / Firmware 2.0 feature list? They claim Exchange is supported. But I am sure ActiveSync is not, so really only interesting for business customers with their own Exchange server. Yeah I knowthere is free Mail2Web provider, but I think they' ll discontinue their free service if enough are using it.
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- Support external storage cards?
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Maybe. But also unlikely.
BTW you forgot the possibility to change battery. LOL, guess my answer on that one.
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Thats really it for me, and they are getting close.
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You see, in fact they aren' t.
i know yr reaction it is not going to be pretty but i have to say this:
i hate this kind of threads. the forum is full with them, not all the ppl are satisfied with their diamond, i know, but is it necessary to share this here, in diamonds forum? what is the contribution of this kind of posts? i can even understand a noob that jump in with a stupid question but this....?
i think i am not the only one not interested in who and why is going to sell/not buy or move over from diamond.
as for comparisons between the diamond and ipod .......give me a break....there are more here and on the net then noobs per hour on this forum.
please, enough!
lol i am revenged. an over "300 posts" beaten to the pulp by a "23 posts".
Riel said:
I need communications.
What the f** should I want facebook and all those other crap site need for ???
If you need phone for entertainment get yourself that I phone. But I need it for my business and I'd be ashamed to hold up an I phone in front of customers.
It's that little toy thing, an I phone. The diamond isn't and does the job with sms, calling, exchange, activesyncing, emailing, easy to use, and some photo's videos just as good not better.
I get tired of these topics.
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sorry mate but I use the best of both worlds
exchange for corporate use and social networking for personal use.
Is that so wrong? The Diamond (or rather Windows Mobile) is fully capable, its just not being supported.
Black93300ZX said:
There's a program for eBay but it's $3.99 a month I think, as for MySpace, MySpace Mobile? I don't know, but once SkyFire releases it won't matter... It'll all be as good as we've ever seen it.
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Well Opera renders facebook/myspace pretty damn well but it cant display pictures in full screen like the iphone versions. The diamond has a damn gorgeous screen - just imagine viewing friends' holiday snaps in full screen? The possibilties are endless, the tech is being wasted.
KukurikU said:
i can even understand a noob that jump in with a stupid question but this....?
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In fact you don' t even understand that. Or how was that again when I asked about that LED/Lightsensor thing and you hit me?
KukurikU said:
i know yr reaction it is not going to be pretty but i have to say this:
i hate this kind of threads. the forum is full with them, not all the ppl are satisfied with their diamond, i know, but is it necessary to share this here, in diamonds forum? what is the contribution of this kind of posts? i can even understand a noob that jump in with a stupid question but this....?
i think i am not the only one not interested in who and why is going to sell/not buy or move over from diamond. there are more comparisons between the diamond and ipod here, on the forum and on the net then noobs per hour on this forum.
please, enough!
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Wrong - this thread is very necessary. Its about improving the diamond through developement.
We all agree that the diamond has a fantastic spec right? Well how many apps out there are taking advantage of its technology? The facebook thing was an example. I mean there is not decent facebook app for a VGA screen - no shazam app for windows mobile professional at all. Im not comparing apples with oranges but the Diamond's features are not being fully exploited. Why are developers jumping ship? Windows mobile used to be kick ass for developer support.
We will have more high end WM devices soon, touch pro, omnia, xperia... so whats the excuse?
darthbane2k said:
Have you used facebook on iphone, its amazing - I can view all my contacts pictures in full screen high quality. Now the Diamond has a higher resolution screen.. so wheres its facebook app.. oh right there isnt one.
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I don't use facebook so I can not test it but this site claims to have a facebook app:
http://faceofmobile.com/
sandeman684 said:
I don't use facebook so I can not test it but this site claims to have a facebook app:
http://faceofmobile.com/
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friendmobilizer and snap2face do not work on vga devices. So we are back to square one. friendmobilizer is the worst - doesnt even support full screen images and looks ugly. No one is exploting the diamond's technology, and then we have the omnia,touch pro, xperia waiting in the rings - a whole host of VGA windows mobile devices that have no real support.
KukurikU said:
i know yr reaction it is not going to be pretty but i have to say this:
i hate this kind of threads. the forum is full with them, not all the ppl are satisfied with their diamond, i know, but is it necessary to share this here, in diamonds forum? what is the contribution of this kind of posts? i can even understand a noob that jump in with a stupid question but this....?
i think i am not the only one not interested in who and why is going to sell/not buy or move over from diamond.
as for comparisons between the diamond and ipod .......give me a break....there are more here and on the net then noobs per hour on this forum.
please, enough!
lol i am revenged. an over "300 posts" beaten to the pulp by a "23 posts".
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I think there should be a section called DIAMOND FEEDBACK... where everyone can slag off or praise the diamond as much as they like, not cluttering up the main forum. It would be the place to go to literally get feedback on what people think of their Diamonds. This wouldnt be too hard to implement, would it?
tomchap said:
I think there should be a section called DIAMOND FEEDBACK... where everyone can slag off or praise the diamond as much as they like, not cluttering up the main forum. It would be the place to go to literally get feedback on what people think of their Diamonds. This wouldnt be too hard to implement, would it?
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No one is slagging off the Diamond. I love mine, its a fantasic device - my concern is that windows mobile is losing developer support rapidly, and as a concequence the diamond has no real support for VGA apps that take advantage of its hardware.
I find it highly ironic that you accuse me of cluttering up the main forum when that same forum is full of redundant threads such as "lets try to copy that novelty beer app for the iphone"
Well, the diamond is out for what is it? 2 months now?
It's the wirst WIDELY used phone with VGA screen so MAYBE we have to wait a little for other apps to come??
Here we go again
Oh dear...
here we go again...
The Admins of XDA should create a forum under the Diamond section called iWhine - that way we can put all the rubbish in it and leave the actual Diamond forums...well... DIAMOND-ORIENTED!
Riel said:
Well, the diamond is out for what is it? 2 months now?
It's the wirst WIDELY used phone with VGA screen so MAYBE we have to wait a little for other apps to come??
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hold on so WE have to wait longer while the iphones app store thrives with more and more significant releases? There is a big problem with developer support for windows mobile at the moment and im not sure whose responsibility it is to turn things around.. Microsofts perhaps?
mkhattab said:
Oh dear...
here we go again...
The Admins of XDA should create a forum under the Diamond section called iWhine - that way we can put all the rubbish in it and leave the actual Diamond forums...well... DIAMOND-ORIENTED!
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This is Diamond orientated. Did you even read the posts on this thread?
hey guys...im plannin to buy an iphone 3g....does anybody know how to unlock it....
Welcome to forums
I´m sure this is a joke right?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=553115&page=2
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Originally Posted by denco7
What is it about people that they feel the need to come on a Windows Mobile forum to start a new thread to announce that they just got a new iPhone ?
Can't they just ressurrect one of the other 1000 threads that were started everytime Apple passes gas. ?
I have five Macs currently, am typing this on a Mac, my first PDA was an Apple Newton. I have been an Apple fanboy for 30yrs. And am on my second iPhone.
I also love my Kaiser. Now when I got my new 3Gs last month, my first thought wasn't to rush right over to XDA to start a new thread to announce that I had gotten a new iPhone, why is that everyone elses first thought ?
Can we just add all the " I just got a new iPhone " threads to the AS team's list of duties ?"
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Originally Posted by cnunez1987
I owned an iPhone from October to January, then downgraded to an iPod Touch from February to March (or April) and went back on Windows Mobile by May or so.
It pretty much comes down to this: If you want a phone that's super pretty, super usable, super fast and that JUST WORKS, you get an iPhone. In doing so, you have to play by Apple's rules, which is a consequence of having a phone that works so incredibly well.
However, if you want a device that puts YOU in control, from choice of device to choice of UI and application development, then you go Android or Windows Mobile. Additionally, if you need a "true" business device (sorry, folks; a virtual keyboard doesn't cut it at the moment) that works well with Exchange and helps you get things done, then you stick to Windows Mobile or Blackberry (which is just as closed in as the iPhone is).
I loved the iPhone, but the virtual keyboard and "closed-ness" of the platform turned me off to it. Further, I realized that after jailbreaking and customizing it, it becomse just as slow and unreliable as any other smartphone. I also really, really, really wanted additional storage space. (8GB is NOT enough.) Windows Mobile is definitely old hat in this game, but the fact that it still works incredibly well and still offers a very useful tool set (for me) makes it the right choice.
oh dude, u might be typing iphone-developers.com
shyamk26 said:
hey guys...im plannin to buy an iphone 3g....does anybody know how to unlock it....
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http://modmyi.com/forums/jailbreak-downgrading-upgrading/
Being certified by Microsoft and specializing in Internet security, I know that Windows is the most targeted operating system for viruses, trojans, malware etc. Surely there must be an anti-virus by now for WP7.
After doing a search in the Market Place I didnt find any. There were anti-virus applications for WM6x, Iphone, Android and even Symbian but what about WP7. My guess is it wont be long before we need some sort of anti-virus protection for our devices. Picture this, you see a nice application from an independent website which wets your whistle. You install it by Toms Xap installer and your phone goes off. You try to restart but it refuses. The boot screen comes up with a message saying you are a victim of a virus which has now rendered your phone into a very expensive paper weight. It is possible and installing Xap applications through Toms Xap installer makes us even more exposed to malicious applications. WP7 Market Place scans applications and games to make sure you are protected. I'm not trying to scare people here so please dont get me wrong but I am trying to open peoples eyes and urge you to be cautious when installing applications which are not from WP7 Market Place or Xda.
I thought I would create this threat for the Xda community to share their views on this.
Personally I wont bother, its up to the users. Its all documented on Google.
see here: http://www.techgazing.com/2010/01/11/do-i-need-an-anti-virus-for-my-phone/
Russ
I would have to say that is a very interesting read. Nothing in there were mentioned about WP7. All I am saying is to be careful. That article claims there are 420 mobile phone viruses and most targeted is Symbian. This is because Symbian have been out longer than Android, Iphone and WM. Symbian certainly bought out more phones over the years so this would explain why they were targeted.
The case where the anti-virus company actually had a virus and passed it on through updates was shocking. That should never have happened and was very negligent of the anti-virus company.
Although people may think it will never happen to them, for the occasional few it does. People take out mobile phone insurance but how any people claim insurance? Why pay money for insurance when you dont take measures to backup your data and protect your device?
The internet is full of traps and data collecting nasties and you never can be sure that what ever you are downloading is 100% safe. Dont you think better to be safe than sorry should be a moto well remembered?
What you are missing is the fact that WP7 apps run completely sandboxed - they cannot reach out of their own little world.
Sure, installing a homebrew app which includes native code may circumvent this but I'd say that's the risk you take when geeking around with your phone
I think an antivirus-software is a totally useless investion of money for now.
You say, windows is the most targetted OS for viruses. Yeah, for sure, because most of people use it.
But its another thing if you look onto the mobile operating systems. The users are spread in 3-4 groups there: WM, Android, iOS and maybe the Blackberry OS.
So the virus-programmers need to choose first, for which platform they are going to write some malicious code. They are never gonna hit that much users as they would hit with Windows for Desktop.
I never heard of any popular virus for any mobilephone including WM-phones.
Secondly, WP7 is a totally new OS. For now, the count of people using this OS is way lower than that of Android and iOS - Users.
So why should hackers choose WP7 especially now as their victim?
My opinion for my last 5 years of using mobile operating systems is: You dont need it.
You have the same ability for sideloading apps with android and iOS too for now and they are much longer on the market than the new WP7 and I never heard of any viruses.
Anti-virus software is a complete waste of money, i dont use it on any of my 3 windows computers or any phones...
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I never heard of any popular virus for any mobilephone including WM-phones.
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Norton and Kaperski have both had anti-virus on Symbian and WM
scbrother said:
Anti-virus software is a complete waste of money, i dont use it on any of my 3 windows computers or any phones...
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OMG are you trying to commit online suicide lol
AndHD2 said:
Norton and Kaperski have both had anti-virus on Symbian and WM
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read my post again. I didnt mean anti-virus-software, I meant viruses!
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read my post again. I didnt mean anti-virus-software, I meant viruses!
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I think I had a Homer Simpson moment then.....Duh lol
i do not think antivirus on Phone is necessary. it will rather slow down stuff.
There is only 1 (ONE) existing virus for WM 6.x. Funny enough it was created by Kaspersky in order to demonstrate that viruses are possible and ppl should install AV software
Viruses for WP7 are almost useless as apps are completely sandboxed. Same thing with iOS. Only Android offers enough freedom for malicious code and then again only if rooted.
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Being certified by Microsoft and specializing in Internet security, I know that Windows is the most targeted operating system for viruses, trojans, malware etc. Surely there must be an anti-virus by now for WP7.
After doing a search in the Market Place I didnt find any. There were anti-virus applications for WM6x, Iphone, Android and even Symbian but what about WP7. My guess is it wont be long before we need some sort of anti-virus protection for our devices. Picture this, you see a nice application from an independent website which wets your whistle. You install it by Toms Xap installer and your phone goes off. You try to restart but it refuses. The boot screen comes up with a message saying you are a victim of a virus which has now rendered your phone into a very expensive paper weight. It is possible and installing Xap applications through Toms Xap installer makes us even more exposed to malicious applications. WP7 Market Place scans applications and games to make sure you are protected. I'm not trying to scare people here so please dont get me wrong but I am trying to open peoples eyes and urge you to be cautious when installing applications which are not from WP7 Market Place or Xda.
I thought I would create this threat for the Xda community to share their views on this.
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Apparently the certificate and specialization doesn't help much when there is lack of reading. Sorry, you've started your post with that sentence and it only makes you look silly.
If you've read even ONE review of this OS you'd realize that it lacks multitasking! That saidb there is no possibility (yet) of an application (AV) running in the background to check files/processes. Besides this OS is so closed you can't even download unsupported files! Today I couldn't download a simple .rar archive - it said that WP7 doesn't support this filetype
As for sideloading applications it's not officially supported by MS so it's just one of the "risks" advanced users need to cope with as Microsoft is checking each application before posting it on the marketplace. Plus the applications written are all in managed code and we don't even have access to system functions. Even simple functions like reading the battery percentage are unsupported.
So there is technically an extremely low risk of viruses in this pretty much closed OS.
I can't imagine AV's impact on already poor battery performance on HD2 WM7.
P$YCH0 said:
Apparently the certificate and specialization doesn't help much when there is lack of reading. Sorry, you've started your post with that sentence and it only makes you look silly.
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Agreed. And most of us are used to flashing a new ROM every week, which is all you'd really need to do to recover from a 'virus'. I'm struggling to see what the danger is, especially on WP7.
Poor battery performance?
iBimmer said:
I can't imagine AV's impact on already poor battery performance on HD2 WM7.
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What exactly are you doing to cause poor battery performance with WP7 on your HD2? It is probably the best battery life I have had on my phone other than an energy rom.
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What exactly are you doing to cause poor battery performance with WP7 on your HD2? It is probably the best battery life I have had on my phone other than an energy rom.
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i think most ppl who say something about poor battery perfomance on wp7 hd2 never used push mail on their phones
whats more likely is that you get a virus on you PC that trashes your phone on flash.
ah the good old days when virus wiped BIOSs and totally ruined your day.
I think its highly unlikely anything could happn on the device its self for the reasons mentioned above, worst case you could hard reset, unlike PCs most stuff is backed up, hopefully everything soon (Myphone please MS!!) and it takes a few min to reinstall, doing the same on your PC would mean a day watching movies whilst you set it all back up again.
Obviously this is a pretty safe OS, but if they do get something like Lookout Security I'll get it, simply for peace of mind.
virus/worm problem
I landed here after a search for antivirus for wp7. i use a htc hd7 chevron unlocked and over the last two days i experienced unwanted outgoing email on my live.com account. i use live.com account on the phone and also on PC via live.com and also using outlook connector...
how can i check which is affected with a virus - pc scan using avg shows clean. the unwanted emails go out apparantly when my pc is off - so is the virus on my wp7 or actually on live.com?
according to this post, there couldnt be a virus on wp7 is it??
any help/thoughts will be much appreciated.
TIA
I think my HD2/WP7 has something dodgy monitoring my actions as after I registered my debit card with the Market & made the first 79p payment for the XDA app I get a dodgy email to my Live email claiming to be from my bank saying there has been unusual activity with a html attachment.
This is a fake, but they new my bank and Live email address and the fact that I made some unusual activity: as in the 79p app.
WP7 is open somewhere!
1- Cannot install any program on my phone such as SSH client I use for work and nothing on the market place.
2- No GPS with direction software.
3- Cannot sync my device with outlook 2010 on my computer.
4- RTL or BIDI languages show character by character and I cannot read websites in those languages.
5- Opera mobile was my choice of surfing the web but now cannot be used.
6- Not much choice of ringtones or themes.
7- I do not want to use any pirated software but this is not what I expected. I feel trapped in Microsoft powered HTC jail and am very concerned about my privacy.
The device works fast, is responsive and neat but I consider not buying HTC mobile products anymore.
wow. you just became an XDA member just to post your rants on HTC?
hmbe said:
1- Cannot install any program on my phone such as SSH client I use for work and nothing on the market place.
2- No GPS with direction software.
3- Cannot sync my device with outlook 2010 on my computer.
4- RTL or BIDI languages show character by character and I cannot read websites in those languages.
5- Opera mobile was my choice of surfing the web but now cannot be used.
6- Not much choice of ringtones or themes.
7- I do not want to use any pirated software but this is not what I expected. I feel trapped in Microsoft powered HTC jail and am very concerned about my privacy.
The device works fast, is responsive and neat but I consider not buying HTC mobile products anymore.
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biernes_atrece said:
wow. you just became an XDA member just to post your rants on HTC?
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He's got a valid point but I wouldn't blame HTC. Those problems are on all Windows Phone 7 phones. HTC makes great phones. Buy an Android phone dude. I have the HD7 but I also kept all my Android phones I've bought over the years. My HD7 stays put away in my pocket unless the battery in my Android phone dies or I wanna watch something on Netflix and it will stay in my pocket or put away until HTC/Microsoft/T-Mobile release a MAJOR update to fix or add all the features I need in my phone. I have a feeling it will remain in my pocket for quite some time tho.
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wow. you just became an XDA member just to post your rants on HTC?
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That is not the point and these are not rants.
If this helps others or points htc/ms to do something, i would again register to post.
8- Battery life is real short. I read somewhere that changing the backgound to full black will improve the battery life and it does but wifi, 3g, screen light and light background are battery killers! I used to have much more battery life on my old diamond 2!
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He's got a valid point but I wouldn't blame HTC. Those problems are on all Windows Phone 7 phones. HTC makes great phones. Buy an Android phone dude. I have the HD7 but I also kept all my Android phones I've bought over the years. My HD7 stays put away in my pocket unless the battery in my Android phone dies or I wanna watch something on Netflix and it will stay in my pocket or put away until HTC/Microsoft/T-Mobile release a MAJOR update to fix or add all the features I need in my phone. I have a feeling it will remain in my pocket for quite some time tho.
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Thank you for your post. To be honest I do not like Google much and think they are not clear about what they do with the information they gather over people and their activities.
Droid phone as you mentiond do have many good points but a lot of my points also applies to phones like desire hd.
I guss it is about users againt big guys or better said being jailled by big guys. Take IPhone as an example. Microsoft mobile was the only one that was not a warden but looks like competition drives them that way. It is a shame. They just do not or do not like to think if they are good the customer will stay with them.
I wonder if there was this much crying when iPhone came out?
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I wonder if there was this much crying when iPhone came out?
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exactly.... nothing is perfect on birth...everything needs versions and versions...
be it software or hardware...everything will become perfect or nearly perfect in time. ( for example : windows xp was crap , then with sp2 ...BAM!!!)ok nothing else is coming to my head..but you got the idea , right ??
with updates and revised mobile bodies , any mobile can top.,..
just give HTC or MS ( or any other company ) some time for their updates, after they review all the positive negative feedback....
Although you'r a first time poster on XDA, i'm sure your familiar with Forum's in general and forum rules. The main one being READ THE STICKIES AND SEARCH BEFORE POSTING.
All of what you have said has been convered a dozen times and is also consolidated with the other "Features" which the OS is lacking in a Stickie at the top of this forum (here) AND in the WP7 Generic Forum (Here or Here).
As for some of your concerns, why are you concerned about your privacy? Please explain. The "changing the background colour to black" won't help you with an HD7, as it uses an SLCD screen, meaning no matter whether it's white or black, the backlight will still be on. This is only relevant for LED screens where a black screen means the pixels are not illuminate and therefore consuming no power (however when they're white, they consume up to 3x as much power as an LCD screen). My HD7 provides me with about 36 hours of charge, with screen brightness set to auto, and wifi/bluetooth/gsm all turned on. I could go a day and a half without a charge however i've always charged smartphones every night anyway as they all consume alot of power.
Other than that, welcome to the forum. As other's have said, the OS is only 4 months old. Give it time. The features you want will become available sooner or later.
Thanks everyone for your replies.
I know that a lot of my points are posted and discussed in other post but I thought it might be good to put them together as a sort of complaint.
Apple's IPhone mobile OS was new and I can see 3 and 4 share a lot of features. With Google you know that you will have to do syncs online. I had an idea about what he wanted and WP7 was disappointing. However I have to wait and see what will happen after MS and/or HTC work on HD7.
I have to sync my calendar and contacts with my live account and this is a huge lake of privacy in WP7.
Given the fact that I have paid for a lot of apps on my diamond 2 such as SSH client, VoIP softphone, GPS, I thought just like software on my desktop I will be able to use most of them or there will be an upgrade for my HD7 WP7.
I sit crossing my fingers and hope big guys think about users.
Windows Phone 7 is clearly not for you. Return the phone and get something else.
hmbe said:
Thanks everyone for your replies.
I know that a lot of my points are posted and discussed in other post but I thought it might be good to put them together as a sort of complaint.
Apple's IPhone mobile OS was new and I can see 3 and 4 share a lot of features. With Google you know that you will have to do syncs online. I had an idea about what he wanted and WP7 was disappointing. However I have to wait and see what will happen after MS and/or HTC work on HD7.
I have to sync my calendar and contacts with my live account and this is a huge lake of privacy in WP7.
Given the fact that I have paid for a lot of apps on my diamond 2 such as SSH client, VoIP softphone, GPS, I thought just like software on my desktop I will be able to use most of them or there will be an upgrade for my HD7 WP7.
I sit crossing my fingers and hope big guys think about users.
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dude what do u want??? every one knew what WP7 can and can not do.... u still bought the device and now u are blaming the MS and HTC.... diamond 2 screen and hd 7 screen are two diffrent worlds, size is very diffrent... if you want to save battery, use auto screen brightness, do not push email....
hmbe said:
Thanks everyone for your replies.
I know that a lot of my points are posted and discussed in other post but I thought it might be good to put them together as a sort of complaint.
Apple's IPhone mobile OS was new and I can see 3 and 4 share a lot of features. With Google you know that you will have to do syncs online. I had an idea about what he wanted and WP7 was disappointing. However I have to wait and see what will happen after MS and/or HTC work on HD7.
I have to sync my calendar and contacts with my live account and this is a huge lake of privacy in WP7.
Given the fact that I have paid for a lot of apps on my diamond 2 such as SSH client, VoIP softphone, GPS, I thought just like software on my desktop I will be able to use most of them or there will be an upgrade for my HD7 WP7.
I sit crossing my fingers and hope big guys think about users.
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Unfortunately, it seems you didn't do enough research before making the jump to Windows Phone 7.
Forget about the phone hardware itself, Windows Phone 7 is a totally different platform than Windows Mobile 6.5 and below. Two totally separate products. Your complaints are not complaints because they are all issues that Microsoft is well aware of and that everyone has discussed before. This is a brand new product, and of course things won't be perfect and won't have all the features you demand.
As for the software you previously purchased, that's not a fault of Microsoft as they did not develop such software. That falls on the developers of your software. They make the decision whether to develop software compatible with Windows Phone 7, and they make the decision to offer you free upgrades or not. That is not something Microsoft can control. So regardless of the platform, when you buy software, you are at the mercy of those developers.
And in regards to your privacy and information through Windows Live, you are not required to sign in with a Windows Live ID. You can skip that part of the setup process and use the basic features of your phone. But you miss out on many of the phone's features of course. So that is totally up to you.
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Hellz no! And if there was this much crying nonbody could pull steve jobs' sack out of their face long enough to show you their tears.
I understand the OP's issues... as minor as they are, but sweet Jesus it has been beat to death. Nobody needs empty praise, but the unecessary crying over what amounts to nothing, or temporary shortcomings needs to stop.
Or better yet, it could be worse. Here we're wanting a FREE software update. With apple you'll be waiting till next year to buy a whole new phone so you can get something that another phone has had for the past 5 years.
And with Android (as cool as it is) you may or may not even get the latest/greatest updates.
So... uhh, yeah... g'head and dry those tears Homie.
1. MS not release socket support right now yet til Mango update,so no any ssh apps for sure.
2. I think that from above.
3. Maybe TouchXperience can help you.
youtube.com/watch?v=aAgd-iTBlGs
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5. Because of no socket support, any browser must be use an IE engine to communicate web browser, so no need to use an other browser.
6. I think I see this answer in "Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking section".
7. If MS not awaking right now, we have no choice, because we know WP7 is good but not perfect yet, so MS should be hurry up.
I have HD7 too but I'm no comment it's good or not to buy.
Because bought before.. played before.
Thank you all for you posts.
Have to admit that I did not do my homework before buying a HD7.
Having said this, it is not a real excuse just to say WP7 is different to 6.5 and below. It is like you like ice-cream and try to buy one but are presented with yoghurt in the shop and the shop owner says you needed to do a research before asking for ice-cream!
Having said all this, I got an e-mail from HTC that they have forwarded my mail about these point to Microsoft.
It is all up MS what they will decide to do.
Do you think Microsoft decides to take a user point of view into consideration or just like others thinks their new OP is good and will do anything. I guess some of these points will take huge changes to the OS and their marketing plans.
And I should not complain because I had to do more research in advance .
hmbe said:
Thank you all for you posts.
Have to admit that I did not do my homework before buying a HD7.
Having said this, it is not a real excuse just to say WP7 is different to 6.5 and below. It is like you like ice-cream and try to buy one but are presented with yoghurt in the shop and the shop owner says you needed to do a research before asking for ice-cream!
Having said all this, I got an e-mail from HTC that they have forwarded my mail about these point to Microsoft.
It is all up MS what they will decide to do.
Do you think Microsoft decides to take a user point of view into consideration or just like others thinks their new OP is good and will do anything. I guess some of these points will take huge changes to the OS and their marketing plans.
And I should not complain because I had to do more research in advance .
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Again, you are comparing ice cream to yogurt. Two totally different things. It is a very valid excuse. If you like ice cream, then you probably shouldn't have bought yogurt, or at least, done some research on yogurt before you bought it so that you knew what you were getting. You can complain all you like, but yogurt isn't going to change into ice cream because you want it to. They may share similarities, but they are not and will never be the same.
Same goes for Windows Mobile/Windows Phone. Windows Mobile 6.5 and Windows Phone 7 are two different platforms going in the two different directions. Microsoft recognized that one path wasn't going anywhere, so it took a look around and went in a different direction. So Windows Phone 7 may share some similarities to Windows Mobile, but they aren't and probably will never be the same product ever.
Both platforms cater to two different audiences, and if you like Windows Mobile 6.5, that's fine. Stick with it. You just have to realize that it is unfortunately a dead platform and you won't see any further updates. Windows Phone 7 is different and takes new and unique steps to a more cohesive and connected platform, and if you don't like it, the simple solution would be to not buy it.
If you are hoping that Windows Phone will become like Windows Mobile, then you should probably give up hope, as Microsoft has made it clear that this platform is something totally different.
The ice cream owner who sold you yogurt didn't tell you he was giving you yogurt.
Microsoft however, made it clear they are now selling cakes instead of ice creams or yogurt.
If you're still looking for ice cream and yogurt, you went to the wrong shop
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The ice cream owner who sold you yogurt didn't tell you he was giving you yogurt.
Microsoft however, made it clear they are now selling cakes instead of ice creams or yogurt.
If you're still looking for ice cream and yogurt, you went to the wrong shop
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cute....
those ppl will never stop coming... and some of them dont even have a WP7 device... the best of all they never get disappointed by what they do, just push their short comings to MS and HTC..
biernes_atrece said:
The ice cream owner who sold you yogurt didn't tell you he was giving you yogurt.
Microsoft however, made it clear they are now selling cakes instead of ice creams or yogurt.
If you're still looking for ice cream and yogurt, you went to the wrong shop
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Cake?!
Well, I think it also was not clear when I bought my HD7 and MS did not make it clear that no other software but only new ones from market place will work on WP7.
Anyways I own a HD7 and am happy with lots of its features. In some features it rocks compare to Iphone or Android phones.
But are you telling me nothing I say makes sense?