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TOMTOM 6 ON XDA11I - LEGAL VERSION

Weatheryoko will be pleased to hear that i have today ordered my LEGAL version of TomTom 6 - after trying the tomtom 5.21 (Cracked version) and the tomtom 6 (Cracked version) and various other nav systems(all Cracked), i have decided that tomtom are a good system to use. The reason for my trying these different versions is because i paid mercedes £1500 to have satnav fitted in a car i ordered from them and found it to be utter rubbish, besides not being portable between vehicles etc. Once fitted it's then obviously too late for refunds etc. As there isn't any option, i've found, to test these systems before purchase, it made sense to try the cracked versions.
As Weatheryoko is so anti-piracy i trust he will now hand back any owned property, to the indigenous population/native americans, that were "stolen" "pirated" from them by his forebears, and will campaign on their behalf for other such lands to be returned - or is it the usual - do as i say not as i do :wink:

Glad to hear it....
I'm glad to hear that your buying a legal version, and thanks for the "jabs". Just so you know, I'm an immigrant and I (nor my ancestors) were here when the lands were stolen from the Native Americans. We weren't even here during the last "land grab" of 1889. Believe me when I say this, I think is was shameless the way they were treated. Having lived in Oklahoma (which is Choctaw for "Red People" FYI), I know this story too well. Maybe this is what prompted me to donate funds to the American Indian College Fund. I would recommend that you get to know people first, before making rash judgements. Maybe that was the problem with the early American settlers? What do you think? Mate, if you want to throw stones in glass houses, do you want to talk about the Ireland or Scotland? We could also talk about slavery (which both your and my country had at one time) if you chose. The bottom line, neither country is clean. Atrocities know no political boundary. Darfur, Nazi Germany, Crusades, Bosnia, Cambodia... pick one. I can't change the past, but I can choose how I live in the present. If I see someone doing something wrong, I try to do something about it. I'm not perfect. I **** things up occassionally, but I learn, try to make things right and move on.
This isn't an attack on you, so please don't take it personally. However, reading your comments prompted me to respond. Since this thread is already way off topic, I won't comment any further. Bottom line, glad to see that you bought the legal version. Please encourage others to do so. I do wish though that TomTom would provide an "evaluation version" so people could evaluate it for while before purchasing. This may cut down on the wide-spread use of cracked versions.

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I do wish though that TomTom would provide an "evaluation version" so people could evaluate it for while before purchasing. This may cut down on the wide-spread use of cracked versions.
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Agreed, to expect someone to pay that much without testing it a bit first is a bit much imo.
You can see it in a shop but not just try driving down the street a bit which would give you a proper idea of what its like.

Weatheryoko - it wasn't meant as a personal attack i was just using irony as an example - agreed the world is probably never going to be perfect - but please don't judge people for using what is available for evaluation or other reasons - surely that is the greatest tool that the internet and forums such as this provide - btw tomtom is a good product imho and i took the opportunity only to evaluate the possibilities before parting with my ill gotten gains having been stung before :wink: Enough said, as you rightly stated this is way off topic - and we all have our own opinions, which is why the world is, as is. :roll:

well done ..but the tt6 version isn't compatable with tt6 on tomtom website yet,but i'm sure you will gloat at how well it works if it does work ,i'm waiting for some positives before i splash out this time

Can anyone tell me where the TomTom6 for PocketPC can be ordered. I've checked the Tomtom website and the only 6.x version I can order is for the various GO devices... but no PDA so far :-(

I ordered mine from the guy that supplies me with all my desktop/laptops and all other it/comms paraphernalia - and as one of his best :wink: customers, hopefully he'll come up with the goods as soon as he has them. But he has been known to be notoriously slow at times - so i won't hold my breath - it's only an order and as i understand you can order from pc world business or, presumably, other retailers - unfortunately i don't have a delivery date as such, just a promise, but then again i'm in no hurry, it's only another toy to play with!

RommelAcc said:
Can anyone tell me where the TomTom6 for PocketPC can be ordered. I've checked the Tomtom website and the only 6.x version I can order is for the various GO devices... but no PDA so far :-(
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you can't it hasn't been released yet ..the only thing you can do is PRE-order a copy

I have tomtom 6 with a map of guam a 20 mile island in india lol.
How come it cant find my great britain map that worked from version 5?
Works well but it sucks i have to rotate the screen before going into tomtom.

andypa1 said:
I have tomtom 6 with a map of guam a 20 mile island in india lol.
How come it cant find my great britain map that worked from version 5?
Works well but it sucks i have to rotate the screen before going into tomtom.
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I've been informed that TT5/5.21 maps are not compatible with TT6

jmdrizen said:
andypa1 said:
I have tomtom 6 with a map of guam a 20 mile island in india lol.
How come it cant find my great britain map that worked from version 5?
Works well but it sucks i have to rotate the screen before going into tomtom.
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I've been informed that TT5/5.21 maps are not compatible with TT6
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yup they get you buy the short and curleys as teh software is free you only pay for the maps

All TomTom maps, voices etc. are coded to the individual TomTom software ID and are not interchangeable across TomTom users or TomTom versions, you need to buy everything all over again.

Got your TT6 yet dude? I have it up and running on 2 PDA's right here and i've put it on my mates XDA Mini IIs to. Not the legit version you undertand!
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Can anyone tell me where the TomTom6 for PocketPC can be ordered. I've checked the Tomtom website and the only 6.x version I can order is for the various GO devices... but no PDA so far :-(
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TheShowStopper said:
Got your TT6 yet dude? I have it up and running on 2 PDA's right here and i've put it on my mates XDA Mini IIs to. Not the legit version you undertand!
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Hi,
could you please tell me where can I download tt6 for my xda11i along with uk maps.
I do have tt5installed in my xda but cannot get it to work with my bluetooth gps. maybe tt6 would work. many thx

aman22k said:
Hi,
could you please tell me where can I download tt6 for my xda11i along with uk maps.
I do have tt5installed in my xda but cannot get it to work with my bluetooth gps. maybe tt6 would work. many thx
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Removed By Admin. So see above post link there

DAz999 said:
try here.
http://forum.ppcwarez.org/viewforum.php?f=38
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Daz please dont be a ****in muppet and DONT post warez!
I have had enough of people not thinking before posting pirated software. XDA Developers is a very valuable resource that can be closed down very quickly beacuse of pirated software, and thats something I dont ever want to see happen.
Dont get me wrong I use pirated software as much as the next person, but I dont go posting it on legit sites! Ejits like you are what get messsage boards closed down.
XDA DEV IS NOT A WAREZ BOARD SO DONT TREAT IT LIKE ONE!
RANT OVER!

Legal
You want to take a chill pill, i only posted a link to another website, I have posted no illegal files in this post and nor does the link take you directly to a warez file download, XDA dev are not legally responsible for links to other websites. You should check the legal stuff before you RANT at me.
PS Dicussion of Cooking ROMs is acceptable on this site, so check your facts please.

Android appDeck??

i remember using that site to download apps and stuff, anyone know what happen our fave site? or anything knows one similar?
thank you

johnphamiliar said:
i remember using that site to download apps and stuff, anyone know what happen our fave site? or anything knows one similar?
thank you
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Our favourite site? Some people believe dev's should be paid for their work...

You're gonna get in trouble for this.

Damn right... if you want an app bad enough, you should pay the dev who made it for you!

How do you guys know that he is talking about pirated apps? He didn't say anything about that in his post.
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If you are talking about pirated apps then really dude? Come on, most are a couple cents or a couple dollars tops which is a great price for all the that devs time and helps to insure that you get more updates and maybe more apps from him/her. Skip the restaurant that day and eat home and you can buy a couple apps that you'll get enjoyment out of a lot longer than that food. Just my opinion...

some people don't have credit cards or debit cards... Regardless I believe in supporting devs any way possible. ;] ;] ;]

I'm not going to criticize the guy because I can't say I've never "downloaded" an app for my PC or anything like that.
However, you should always have a look with android. It's "different" if you don't have money to pay for an app then the majority of the time you can find a similar one for free which does exactly the same thing. I find in a lot of cases Developers have a "free version" which is ad supported, that doesn't bother me and I just pick the free version.

G1-evolve said:
some people don't have credit cards or debit cards... Regardless I believe in supporting devs any way possible. ;] ;] ;]
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Or living in country where buying is not possible (like Poland)

Burag said:
Or living in country where buying is not possible (like Poland)
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Thats why u use Market Enabler....lol

Why's everyone so quick to hate on this guy, he just asked if there was a site where he could download android applications. Never said anything about pirated ones.
AndroidAppDeck yes had some pirated applications, but they also had free ones on their page as well.
As Daneshm90 mentioned, you might wanna search for the Market Enabler. If thats not an option there are sites like www.anda.pk that has a handful of apps you can D/L to your PC and install on your phone. If I come across any others I'll let you know.
So how about we actually answer this guys question and point him towards a legitimate solution rather than play finger pointer.
However as a developer myself (not of android), I will say if youre looking for pirated apps dont bother asking here.

there is this saying if you cant buy it...you dont need..lol

blapk Market and applanet
It´s open, called blapk market, now: blapkmarket(dot)com (they ask for a registration, takes a couple of days to approve)
Also there´s the applanet that don´t need registration, works better and has the same interface as the original Market app: applanet(dot)net/applanet
I have both, in case i can´t find an app in one i look into the other one.
PS.: Support the developers, if you download a paid app from there contact the developer to find a way to compensate him for his work. (they use to accept off-market payment)

sign this petition for the price of Nexus 4 is the same for everyone

Good afternoon.
would it be possible to sign this petition by most member possible? so if pouriez seen the move in a location where it would be visible by the more members as possible, thank you for all of us
http://www.activism.com/it_IT/petizione/lg-nexus-4-tagliamo-il-prezzo-italiano/39734

alessa said:
Good afternoon.
would it be possible to sign this petition by most member possible? so if pouriez seen the move in a location where it would be visible by the more members as possible, thank you for all of us
http://www.activism.com/it_IT/petizione/lg-nexus-4-tagliamo-il-prezzo-italiano/39734
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This will not do alot unless you target the Governments that are making it cost more. Not something you can really do anything about.

zelendel said:
This will not do alot unless you target the Governments that are making it cost more. Not something you can really do anything about.
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of course it is the fault of LG! proof with asus and the price of the Nexus 7 which is the same as the shop either on the playstore.

Things cost different amounts in different countries. Get over it

ap3604 said:
Things cost different amounts in different countries. Get over it
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That is not the reason why the prices are different

If Google wish to subsidise the phone to get people to use their store, that's upto them.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

Frankly, these petitions are getting out of hand! Its supposed to be a powerful tool to gather the masses for things that really matter. Open source, more support, freedom, things that are important. LG or any other manufacturer for that matter won't reduce their prices just because someone who does not know half the things going behind pricing decisions, asks them to. Don't like the pricing, don't buy.
This needs to be stopped, or even the petitions which would have had an impact otherwise will start looking like someone throwing a tantrum.

anirudh412 said:
Frankly, these petitions are getting out of hand! Its supposed to be a powerful tool to gather the masses for things that really matter. Open source, more support, freedom, things that are important. LG or any other manufacturer for that matter won't reduce their prices just because someone who does not know half the things going behind pricing decisions, asks them to. Don't like the pricing, don't buy.
This needs to be stopped, or even the petitions which would have had an impact otherwise will start looking like someone throwing a tantrum.
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This!
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anirudh412 said:
Frankly, these petitions are getting out of hand! Its supposed to be a powerful tool to gather the masses for things that really matter. Open source, more support, freedom, things that are important. LG or any other manufacturer for that matter won't reduce their prices just because someone who does not know half the things going behind pricing decisions, asks them to. Don't like the pricing, don't buy.
This needs to be stopped, or even the petitions which would have had an impact otherwise will start looking like someone throwing a tantrum.
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Exactly this :highfive:
I sure hope a google employee isn't on this forum reading these threads. Google comes out with a phone that is much less expensive than anything else of comparable specs and yet we still have people trying to stir up the masses against them?
Should I start a petition against toyota that my car costs a different amount than in other countries? How about any manufacturer of anything I start a petition against?

Everyone stop acting as company CEO's, your beloved item you want isn't the price you want, DONT BUY IT. You can even go ahead and hate the company, that's not how vusiness is conducted. Company choose prices and then consumers decide if they buy or not. And then, guess on who's wallet it is if they didn't choose the optimal price? THE COMPANY, so shut up and swallow the pill or start your own phone making business.

There are much more important things that you guys could create a petition for.

I went ahead and reported this thread to the mods to lock / delete.

Austrian here. If anyone from Germany would be kind enough to send me a nexus 4 from Germany please pm me. We can talk about shipping price and extras via private messages. Thank you in advance
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So the nexus 7 is the same price in store and on the play store but the nexus 4 isn't?
I've signed the petition bro and wish you guys all the best in Italy.
Good luck.
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There are much more important things that you guys could create a petition for.
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Then why don't you take some action and try do something about it?

I think, and I want to believe that this reaction from your part at all, and due to a misunderstanding of the fact. know that the problem is producing not only for Italy, but for all of Europe and probably even for the usa! LG has decided to sell its nexus € 4590 / $, then it is available to 350 € / $ on google playstore. but the real concern is that some countries are not entitled to google playstore, and even if this is not the fault of LG, were it even really penalizes countries that are in the story! ! In addition to that, how can sell LG mobile google, which declare his mobile trying to sell € 350 / $ because it is mobile prices too expensive! So yes, it is true that the petition is based are made for much more serious problem than the price of a smartphone, but at the same time, this is the only way that works for a multinational company has to understand that we sum does not agree with his political advantage against all odds!
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I went ahead and reported this thread to the mods to lock / delete.
Anyone else reading this please do the same :good:
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under your username sense, I would like you to remember that we are civilized and free people to express these feelings WITHOUT SANSURE! so if you disagree with my point of view, which is your right after all, its not a reason to ask for a closing thread is NOT offensive to anyone, OR trigger hatred !

OK guys cool down. The mods already know about this thread. And while I think it is pointed in the wrong direction it is not hurting anyone. If it gets out of hand I will close it.
Now as for the "without censor" that is not the case. This thread will be censored if it gets out of hand.
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alessa said:
under your username sense, I would like you to remember that we are civilized and free people to express these feelings WITHOUT SANSURE! so if you disagree with my point of view, which is your right after all, its not a reason to ask for a closing thread is NOT offensive to anyone, OR trigger hatred !
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You think you should be able to post anything on a privately owned forum with no controls from the moderators?
As for the thread being locked / deleted, that's because these sort of petition threads don't do anything good for the forum and always turn into flamewars. You can see the same thing happening in the "petition for microsd card slot" thread below this one.

alessa said:
I think, and I want to believe that this reaction from your part at all, and due to a misunderstanding of the fact. know that the problem is producing not only for Italy, but for all of Europe and probably even for the usa! LG has decided to sell its nexus € 4590 / $, then it is available to 350 € / $ on google playstore. but the real concern is that some countries are not entitled to google playstore, and even if this is not the fault of LG, were it even really penalizes countries that are in the story! ! In addition to that, how can sell LG mobile google, which declare his mobile trying to sell € 350 / $ because it is mobile prices too expensive! So yes, it is true that the petition is based are made for much more serious problem than the price of a smartphone, but at the same time, this is the only way that works for a multinational company has to understand that we sum does not agree with his political advantage against all odds!
under your username sense, I would like you to remember that we are civilized and free people to express these feelings WITHOUT SANSURE! so if you disagree with my point of view, which is your right after all, its not a reason to ask for a closing thread is NOT offensive to anyone, OR trigger hatred !
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We should sansur your right to speak with such grammar.

I'm really grieve but I'm a Belgian of Italian origin who does not understand English very well but uses google translation because I have a passion. please excuse my vocabulary. I do not want nothing to create a polemic, just that my intention is to collect a max of person who will want to join my cause. thank you kindly let live thread and will give him a chance.

I wan to start a petition to stop the useless petitions in this forum.

Releasing a Paid App on Google Play Store -- Tax?

I am nearing the finishing and release phase of an app I've been working on and so I was going through creating a Merchant Account since it will be a paid app. There were two things that stopped me, however. One was the website which I have created and will be uploading in a bit.
The thing that caused me to pause creating the Merchant Account was the "Legal Business information" section. Do I need to be aware of anything here, legal-wise? I mean, I'm just a software developer for my 9-5 and work on this Android app in my spare time. Do I need to have anything setup, legally (I dunno, an LLC? Or whatever)? Can I just use my full name for the "Business Name?"
Sorry if it's a dumb question but I'd like to know what I'm getting into before I jump into it. Thanks for any help, I appreciate it guys.

clamum said:
I am nearing the finishing and release phase of an app I've been working on and so I was going through creating a Merchant Account since it will be a paid app. There were two things that stopped me, however. One was the website which I have created and will be uploading in a bit.
The thing that caused me to pause creating the Merchant Account was the "Legal Business information" section. Do I need to be aware of anything here, legal-wise? I mean, I'm just a software developer for my 9-5 and work on this Android app in my spare time. Do I need to have anything setup, legally (I dunno, an LLC? Or whatever)? Can I just use my full name for the "Business Name?"
Sorry if it's a dumb question but I'd like to know what I'm getting into before I jump into it. Thanks for any help, I appreciate it guys.
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From what i know you do not need to be a business in order to submit app's to the play store and can use your name as the developer/business name

Ma$etas said:
From what i know you do not need to be a business in order to submit app's to the play store and can use your name as the developer/business name
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Thanks for the reply. Last night after posting this I looked at the "Create Merchant Account" form and I didn't see anything to do with tax, either there or the other places I looked in the Developer Console. I swear I had saw something to do with tax when I first looked at the process but maybe I'm getting confused with something else I've read.

clamum said:
Thanks for the reply. Last night after posting this I looked at the "Create Merchant Account" form and I didn't see anything to do with tax, either there or the other places I looked in the Developer Console. I swear I had saw something to do with tax when I first looked at the process but maybe I'm getting confused with something else I've read.
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NO problem.. Good luck with your app.
Im currently trying to learn how to create/write code . I have some ideas for some apps that i think would be good. Which is why i looked up the info on how to submit apps to the playstore.

clamum said:
Thanks for the reply. Last night after posting this I looked at the "Create Merchant Account" form and I didn't see anything to do with tax, either there or the other places I looked in the Developer Console. I swear I had saw something to do with tax when I first looked at the process but maybe I'm getting confused with something else I've read.
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Just like to add something here.
Google in general takes a "it's up to you" approach when it comes to taxes. That is, you are supposed to determine whether anything is taxable, and remit them by yourself if it is.
I heard some countries have a sales tax/VAT that's applicable even you don't have any business physically located in that country. But I haven't heard of any dev having trouble with this and so this is kind of in a grey area.
The good news is that for EU countries and Brazil (they DO have the above-stated VAT), Google will pay it for you. The bad news is that the tax will be deducted from your income. I usually set the price for EU and Brazil higher to compensate for this.
Also, you may also need to pay income tax and/or state tax etc. I don't live in the US so I don't know much about this.
It'd be better if you can find a decent tax advisor for this. But I know it's difficult.
Good luck and happy publishing on Google Play

kennethso168 said:
Just like to add something here.
Google in general takes a "it's up to you" approach when it comes to taxes. That is, you are supposed to determine whether anything is taxable, and remit them by yourself if it is.
I heard some countries have a sales tax/VAT that's applicable even you don't have any business physically located in that country. But I haven't heard of any dev having trouble with this and so this is kind of in a grey area.
The good news is that for EU countries and Brazil (they DO have the above-stated VAT), Google will pay it for you. The bad news is that the tax will be deducted from your income. I usually set the price for EU and Brazil higher to compensate for this.
Also, you may also need to pay income tax and/or state tax etc. I don't live in the US so I don't know much about this.
It'd be better if you can find a decent tax advisor for this. But I know it's difficult.
Good luck and happy publishing on Google Play
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Hmmm. Do you think a tax advisor would understand or have sufficient knowledge about mobile apps on the Google Play store to give advice?
So it sounds like for EU countries and Brazil I'd want to do the same thing (raise price a bit for the app). I doubt many people are even going to download this thing but I like to know what I'm getting into before I just jump into something. Thanks for your help.

clamum said:
Hmmm. Do you think a tax advisor would understand or have sufficient knowledge about mobile apps on the Google Play store to give advice?
So it sounds like for EU countries and Brazil I'd want to do the same thing (raise price a bit for the app). I doubt many people are even going to download this thing but I like to know what I'm getting into before I just jump into something. Thanks for your help.
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Well this is Google's official recommendation.
But I don't really know if a tax advisor will help, because I jumped in before finding one.

General Read this before complaining about Google related things not working on your X90PP

Some may feel "targeted" by this thread. I don't really care, though. I feel it was necessary to post this.
Imagine buying a phone meant for Chinese market, and then whining and moaning on XDA forums about some features (Google Play) - that are meant for the GLOBAL market, i.e NOT China- not working properly.
People buy this phone for its cameras. Everything-Google being wonky on China phones (again, phones meant for the CHINA MARKET) is nothing new. And no, it's not just Vivo phones.
If you didn't know that, well... sucks to suck, I guess?
You didn't do [enough] research prior to purchasing, and now you are venting on the forums. Cool, but I'm pretty sure nobody wants to read your bs complaints.
It's kinda like buying a Blu-Ray disc from another region and then whining online that it doesn't work on your player. Get how stupid you sound yet? Vivo never released this particular model for the global market. It's China only, for the time being, at least. You can import it of course, but at your own risk. And that's exactly what some of you don't seem to understand. Somehow you feel entitled to your non-global phone having perfect Google Play functionality. Ridiculous.
If Vivo decides to improve the functionality of Google features on the X90 Pro+, good! They don't have to, though.
If they decide to absolutely do nothing about it, oh well. Again, they don't have to do anything. We'll try to find workarounds.
Do you understand what I'm saying to you right now?
When a China citizen purchases a phone in their country, there's zero Google stuff pre-installed on that phone. And guess what, the large majority of people in China DON'T install Google stuff, EVER. Because they don't need it. Google is not used in China. They have their own search engines etc.
We are here to help each other, find workarounds to problems. That's what these forums are for. Think twice before making a post whining and bashing brands, because it's very likely that your complaints are completely invalid.
Thanks for reading.
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jericho246 said:
Some may feel "targeted" by this thread. I don't really care, though. I feel it was necessary to post this.
Imagine buying a phone meant for Chinese market, and then whining and moaning on XDA forums about some features (Google Play) - that are meant for the GLOBAL market, i.e NOT China- not working properly.
People buy this phone for its cameras. Everything-Google being wonky on China phones (again, phones meant for the CHINA MARKET) is nothing new. And no, it's not just Vivo phones.
If you didn't know that, well... sucks to suck, I guess?
You didn't do [enough] research prior to purchasing, and now you are venting on the forums. Cool, but I'm pretty sure nobody wants to read your bs complaints.
It's kinda like buying a Blu-Ray disc from another region and then whining online that it doesn't work on your player. Get how stupid you sound yet? Vivo never released this particular model for the global market. It's China only, for the time being, at least. You can import it of course, but at your own risk. And that's exactly what some of you don't seem to understand. Somehow you feel entitled to your non-global phone having perfect Google Play functionality. Ridiculous.
If Vivo decides to improve the functionality of Google features on the X90 Pro+, good! They don't have to, though.
If they decide to absolutely do nothing about it, oh well. Again, they don't have to do anything. We'll try to find workarounds.
Do you understand what I'm saying to you right now?
When a China citizen purchases a phone in their country, there's zero Google stuff pre-installed on that phone. And guess what, the large majority of people in China DON'T install Google stuff, EVER. Because they don't need it. Google is not used in China. They have their own search engines etc.
We are here to help each other, find workarounds to problems. That's what these forums are for. Think twice before making a post whining and bashing brands, because it's very likely that your complaints are completely invalid.
Thanks for reading.
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Good job buddy. A post like this was long overdue even when it should be mandatory to search and read before importing a chinese device.

I don't have any issues, notifications arrive in time, etc.
If you have any issues or do you work and research or just get another phone

Before google was blocked by the chinese governement - it was widely used. Still many people use google via VPN.
But yes - google apps that require to be system apps like Android Auto or Google assistant will never work on a China OS phone that has no root. Becasue the Chinese government doesn't allow google to be used.
This is not about what Chinese user wants, but what the CCP dictates.
Also spyware going crazy (you can check with Rethink DNS how many connections are built up to Chinese servers all the time) to fulfill the CCP data hunger is something immiment to any China OS phone. Yes that includes apple phones sold in China (or maybe even global ones activated in China) or any other phone officially sold in China, else it would not be allowed to be sold.
There are plenty more issues than just google when buying a China OS phone - and most sites mentioning shortcomings do not mention them.
A good clue of what the Vivo phone spyware will likely collect can be to read reports about Feng Cai or BXAQ:
https://7asecurity.com/reports/analysis-report_bxaq.pdf
e.g.: All calendar entries, phone contacts, country codes and dialed numbers;
All stored text messages (SMS);
All information accessible for various installed apps + an MD5 hash of the app;+

Well said.
I'm super happy. I just hope to be able to add a card to Google wallet and I can't ask for more in a phone. Got over my initial disappoint about that issue as I can just use my actual card.
Camera is a photographer's dream and everything is so fast and smooth.
The Chinese can spy all they want as I'm in the UK with no relation to China. Could. Not. Care. Less

Haskren said:
The Chinese can spy all they want as I'm in the UK with no relation to China. Could. Not. Care. Less
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Weill it could actually be much worse - it's really not unlikely the Chinese government has superuser access on all China OS phones. They used to do this with an app, but it would be much easier for them to do this with inbuilt tools:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/chinese-app-on-xis-ideology-allows-data-access-to-100-million-users-phones-report-says/2019/10/11/2d53bbae-eb4d-11e9-bafb-da248f8d5734_story.html
This way it cannot be discovered easily at all like with the app they used to.
Implications of this - oh but I have absolutely nothing to worry are stupid in my eyes. How do you know the Chinese government doesn't have data breaches? The data that is known about you - would be easily enough to destroy your finances. There have been breaches in China and chinese users were financially harmed by data breached. As a foreigner you are less likely target but that data could be easily sold.
Any website offering pay services now has to secure itself from card scanning, because credit card numbers aren't expensive to buy anymore (usually missing CVC - sometimes with CVC ) those credit cards come usually from data breaches (and yeah a shop doesn't see the full credit card number - so it's not the shop that breached that data).
e.g. the vivo secure keyboard. I mean how do you know your credit card number doesn't end up in China when using it? It's enabled by default... I would not trust it a dime.
The past has shown problems already on greater scale, google up XcodeGhost and Tencent...

here it comes, another thread blocked by this guy.
If your so afraid if getting your data leaked just don't use Internet. Don't leave your house cause ur neighbours will leak your position aswell. If you're so afraid of the Chinese, just buy another Smartphone.

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Weill it could actually be much worse - it's really not unlikely the Chinese government has superuser access on all China OS phones. They used to do this with an app, but it would be much easier for them to do this with inbuilt tools:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/chinese-app-on-xis-ideology-allows-data-access-to-100-million-users-phones-report-says/2019/10/11/2d53bbae-eb4d-11e9-bafb-da248f8d5734_story.html
This way it cannot be discovered easily at all like with the app they used to.
Implications of this - oh but I have absolutely nothing to worry are stupid in my eyes. How do you know the Chinese government doesn't have data breaches? The data that is known about you - would be easily enough to destroy your finances. There have been breaches in China and chinese users were financially harmed by data breached. As a foreigner you are less likely target but that data could be easily sold.
Any website offering pay services now has to secure itself from card scanning, because credit card numbers aren't expensive to buy anymore (usually missing CVC - sometimes with CVC ) those credit cards come usually from data breaches (and yeah a shop doesn't see the full credit card number - so it's not the shop that breached that data).
e.g. the vivo secure keyboard. I mean how do you know your credit card number doesn't end up in China when using it? It's enabled by default... I would not trust it a dime.
The past has shown problems already on greater scale, google up XcodeGhost and Tencent...
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Everybody knows this happens with chinese phones , nothing new .Why have you bought one ? I mean you were aware Vivo its a chinese company , right ?

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Everybody knows this happens with chinese phones , nothing new .Why have you bought one ? I mean you were aware Vivo its a chinese company , right ?
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That's simply not the case. So far phones produced in China for global market spy much less than phones produced for China. Because even Iphone produced for China or Samsung produced for China will have to comply with the Chinese government orders on receiving the content of all messages, a list of all phone calls and more data (maybe even all call content).
There is a difference between China OS phone and Chinese global phone - and most people do NOT know this.
And then - as long as there is no sticky for China OS phones listing exactly what google services are unreliable (like google wallet) and which don't work (e.g. Android Auto, google Assistant, Google Backup, Google Location History) or restrictions like very hard to exchange system launcher - and if you do you receive a notice that you have to click away (but not click on it) every reboot or every few days - most people simply aren't aware of all the problems.
I haven't seen a single review of the X90 Pro+ listing all the missing google services - on the contrary the say it's easy to install google playstore and everything works (notebookcheck) - showing that they clearly never used the phone as daily driver (but 90% of the readers will not know this!) to XDA review mentioning only Android auto and okay google not working (that way you believe the rest - including conversation with google assistant does work) or Chinahandys.net which goest the furthes but still misses some points - however does explain to remove vivo.pem (single review ever mentioning this) if you want to receive notifications - but still misses out on location history and google backup.
If the reviews all mentioned the above problems, then much less people would buy China OS phones in first place, and then it really would be justified saying don't vent about google stuff not working. But the fact is that the reviews all miss this. Even more they often tell you that you can just flash the global firrmware (in case of Xiaomi) - though with Xiaomi 13 for example this has become super complicated, and very easy to brick your phone while doing so.
That goes so far that Trading Shenzen advertises google wallet working - and I still think it's possible to get it to work so far on every phone - and people just not having the right framework installed - but there is no guarantee whatsoever it will continue to work with Android 14.
Same for updates - all the reviews mention either the global update policy which doesn't apply, or like chinahandys saying no guarentee but 2-3 years of updates including major android versions - which again ist not true - because e.g. Vivo X70 Pro+ never got Android 12, and very likely a single major updgrade - Android 13 - and very very delayed security patches (and as long as you use Android - those patches are essential - they have nothing to do with google itself).
Many people buying the X90 Pro+ come from Huawei P30 Pro or even Mate 20 Pro - those had really good / reliable software with the caveat of course of being stuck with Android 10 due to the Huawei ban. However no single other Chinese brand ever got close to the Huawei software quality...
And no - I wasn't aware of most of those points - before buying - because no damn review mentions them! And I thought chinese phones = China OS chinese phones when it comes to spyware (similar to bloatware ). But this is simply not the case. I didn't know that the China spyware costs a lot of battery life (see identical phones on dxomark or gsmarena battery tests - with the China OS version usually having 7-15% less battery life, espcially standby much shorter!)
And youtube reviews are even worse - they usually mention no single point at all of the above.

jericho246 said:
Some may feel "targeted" by this thread. I don't really care, though. I feel it was necessary to post this.
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I stopped reading here.
When a company advertises that the phone they sell will work 100% with Google Payment applications and banking apps which require secure/high integrity. Then when I pay them for that phone, I expect these things to work. When it doesn't work, I demand compensation. That's fair, that's life.
Honestly threads and posts like this belong on Reddit where you can scream into the void at your own expense and because you literally have nothing else better to do. I for one have better things to do.
Writing a long-winded rant that no one who values their time is going to read really tells more about yourself than it does about the people you have directed this thread at. Here's your free bump. But I'll make sure to ignore all of your posts going forward. I suggest others do the same.
EDIT: I got a 15% refund of my 512GB Vivo X90PP, because it doesn't pass SatfetyNet. That brings the price down to just under 850€ for me. Also this will likely be fixed in the next software update, as the trial/beta update has Google Pay working for everyone on XDA who has tested it so far.
So partial refund + working on next update. So I guess the joke is on you for not having done your own research. Clearly I did mine.

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I stopped reading here.
When a company advertises that the phone they sell will work 100% with Google Payment applications and banking apps which require secure/high integrity. Then when I pay them for that phone, I expect these things to work. When it doesn't work, I demand compensation. That's fair, that's life.
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Aight, you sound upset (for no good reason), so let's get this over with quick. Show me where Vivo actually stated that the Vivo X90PP supports "Google Payment applications".
I'll save you the trouble; you can't, because they never advertised it. Google is never mentioned anywhere.
Now if you are talking about resellers like Wonda Mobile or Trading Shenzhen, then your issue is with them, not Vivo.

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