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Paid apps theory..

The reason that google hasn't dished out the paid apps like planned was most likely because 1 person could pay for it, download it and then spread it around to the rest of the android community.
I mean how could they prevent us (especially with root) from doing that.
I think that either they are gonna put a complete end to root (if possible),
or they're gonna completely redo the whole market and how it works.
Maybe make it so apps are originally apks but when installed they leave behind the installer and can not be installed again by finding the apk in the internal storage.
What are your thoughts?

Could be and what you said is being discussed in another part of dream forum. Tell you the truth I've been all over the internet constantly looking for paid apps and there is not much out there. Guitar hero said it was coming to android in jan and still isnt out yet! If they do that im sure someone will find a way around that as well though haha

stats555 said:
Could be and what you said is being discussed in another part of dream forum. Tell you the truth I've been all over the internet constantly looking for paid apps and there is not much out there. Guitar hero said it was coming to android in jan and still isnt out yet! If they do that im sure someone will find a way around that as well though haha
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=478445

Pay or not to pay for an application have been discussed for year and I believe there are people out there are willing to pay for the application they need, even the warez version is just some clicks away from them. You see how PC's software industry lives up? I cant find any software that cant be cracked. It's just a matter of time if someone is really wanna do that.
So it should be the same case here.

While I think there will be a common security thread in the Market I think developers need to also enact their own security to prevent priates. If there is one security procedure then it only takes one crack to take everything.

They will do like a DRM on the apks kind of like the iphone has now.

Honestly, anything they would do would probably be wasted time.
The iPhone anti-piracy mechanisms have been defeated recently, and whatever Google would put forth would likely be taken apart. There's just no way to prevent it, same as the problems that other platform developers have experienced.
There will always be people who pay for their apps, and there will always be people who pirate them, and very little can be done to prevent that.

It'll probably be something like every time an app is bought it is signed with an encrypted code that is given to each individual phone and coupled with a single application.
However, would each app have a different algorithm or would it all be one big pot.
Either way..
That would work rather well
Unfortunately for me though.
I am a pirate mateyys ARRrrrrr
haitiankid4lyf.
With as little offense as possible. You understand the stupidity of your screenname right? You're a kid? For lyf?
Peter pan or somethin?

topdnbass said:
It'll probably be something like every time an app is bought it is
haitiankid4lyf.
With as little offense as possible. You understand the stupidity of your screenname right? You're a kid? For lyf?
Peter pan or somethin?
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XD That made me laugh.

I agree. Remember though, there's not THAT many rooted users out there. I think that as long as the apps are priced reasonably, they'll be fine.

Paypal App

Is this an official app from paypal? anyone can confirm this?

Yeah, I thought it was a phish too. works fine with me.

Just because the app works doesn't mean its not a scam. I tried searching on paypal's website about them making an android but didnt come up with anything. Does anyone have anything to prove this app is really created by paypal?
Btw paypal does have an app for the iphone so this is very plausible but I would just like to make sure before I give the wrong people access to my money.

maxdamage2122 said:
Just because the app works doesn't mean its not a scam. I tried searching on paypal's website about them making an android but didnt come up with anything. Does anyone have anything to prove this app is really created by paypal?
Btw paypal does have an app for the iphone so this is very plausible but I would just like to make sure before I give the wrong people access to my money.
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I don't think T-Mobile would let this app slide if it was not from PayPal.
And yes PayPal has a app for the iPhone, so I would think this is PayPal's Android APP. & they never said anything about making a app for iphone either so.

T-Mo gets little say in what happens with apps. they can ask google to remove apps that breach ToS but that's it. i wouldn't trust the app until you have proof that PP made it themselvs

I just emailed paypal about this app just to make sure I'll inform you guys

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I just emailed paypal about this app just to make sure I'll inform you guys
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Hmm I uninstalled this and changed my password.
I called paypal and talked to them the rep said they can't confirm this yet...
But once they do I will re-download this.

Yea, I downloaded this and it pulled my history in ok, but after some thinking, I too decided to uninstall and change my password. Hopefully someone will post something when they hear it so that we can know its safe.
Keep us updated!

I never thought I would say this but safety is one thing the apple app store has over the android market. I'm an iphone hater, well iphone user hater. Arrogant SOBs.

I was thinking about downloading it, then looked at the paypal site and they didn't mention it on their mobile page... plus it said the company name was "paypal mobile" and not "paypal"

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I was thinking about downloading it, then looked at the paypal site and they didn't mention it on their mobile page... plus it said the company name was "paypal mobile" and not "paypal"
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I guess that is one of the aspect of a free and open market. Buyers or customer should also have some form of judgment and knowledge and not depend on the seller naively.
I rather have that, then being told what i can and can't do.

https://www.thepaypalblog.com/2009/05/new-paypal-application-for-android/
It's a legit app. However that does not change the fact that Paypal is staffed and directed by a cadre of a-holes.

Yeah it's legit, but paypal can be a bunch of *ahem* when you need to resolve a faulty transaction.

Can anyone post the apk of this, can't find it in the market anywhere. Even scanning teh barcode from cyrket.com it tells me it can't find the app.
Thanks

If you're not on 1.5, that could be the issue. The market is restricted by SDKs, so 1.1 users cannot see 1.5 only apps.

Got my phone rooted and using the latest mod from JesusFreak. Once again, appreciate it if anyone posts the apk of the app.

[Paying-Must Read!!!] I am paying for someone to make an app for me. Please Read!!!!!

Hi I am paying for someone to make an app for me. It would be like the last.fm app where you can stream the music from the site, but it's for soundclick.com not last.fm. I would like to be able to sign into my account, view my favorite bands, rate/comment songs, Download songs to my sdcard right from the app, upload songs (for band accounts), and basically a fully functionally app that lets me use all the features on soundclick. I will pay $10 for someone to make the app. I will pay you via paypal, after the app is completed and being used on my G1.

An application like that would take a long time to create and cost way more then $10 to produce.

10 dollars? haha no comment

Lol, if you want an app like that you would have to pay way more than 10$. That app sounds really complex. I think you undervalue the amount of skill and work it takes to actually program an app. It's actually pretty hard ( I am a beginning coder myself ). Offering 10$ for something like that is almost an insult.

hmmm, but I thought making apps were free, all it took was time. and at least im offering something lmao. I could just be like I want some one to make it free lol. Well so it looks like no one's going to do it?

zayg1 said:
hmmm, but I thought making apps were free, all it took was time. and at least im offering something lmao. I could just be like I want some one to make it free lol. Well so it looks like no one's going to do it?
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The SDK for android is free, but there's a fee to post things to the market. Not to mention that it takes a LOT of time to make. You're basically asking for months of someones time for $10.

benmyers2941 said:
The SDK for android is free, but there's a fee to post things to the market. Not to mention that it takes a LOT of time to make. You're basically asking for months of someones time for $10.
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yeah, but i'm not asking for it to be posted in the market lol I said for me lol. Whatever they decide to do with it when it's done is up to them . But I see where you are coming from .

Something like that would cost at least a few thousand dollar's worth of programmer's time. I don't know anything about soundclick, but it's very likely that it wouldn't be possible to make an app without their consent/help.
Your best bet is to suggest that they make an app themselves.

XavinNydek said:
Something like that would cost at least a few thousand dollar's worth of programmer's time. I don't know anything about soundclick, but it's very likely that it wouldn't be possible to make an app without their consent/help.
Your best bet is to suggest that they make an app themselves.
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How would I go about suggesting it to them? Because don't you think i would be hard to contact the owner and have them listen to someone asking for them to make an app for android?

zayg1 said:
How would I go about suggesting it to them? Because don't you think i would be hard to contact the owner and have them listen to someone asking for them to make an app for android?
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I would start at their Contact Page. Probably with the support email, then maybe business development if you don't get any response from support.

$10?!?!?
Are you out of your mind?
Make a real offer. I'm not a dev but I was thinking along these lines for Hero Mock Widgets:
Pay $500 per working mock Hero widgets plus 25% of profits gained.
Charge each widget $4.99 or $20 for the entire pack.
The demand for Hero ported to Cupcake is so large that I would make my $500 in less than a day (hell... maybe in just a couple of hours) since everyone would be purchasing the $20 widget pack. Then $5 would go to the dev for each download (say 1,000) download the first day (which wouldn't be too unrealistic given the demand) so the dev could easily make $1,500 for the work on release.
That would be a minimum offer!
$10... you won't even get an e-mail of interest for that. Even if it was going to be a free app on the Market. If anything you gave someone an idea to do it themselves, take the credit and charge what ever they want (like $0.99 for ten people like YOU that want it so badly) and he could make more than a lousey $10.

use imeem , they have an app

maek_it_happen said:
use imeem , they have an app
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I have imeem, but I want a soundclick one. Imeem and soundclick are completely different.

Binary100100 said:
Are you out of your mind?
Make a real offer. I'm not a dev but I was thinking along these lines for Hero Mock Widgets:
Pay $500 per working mock Hero widgets plus 25% of profits gained.
Charge each widget $4.99 or $20 for the entire pack.
The demand for Hero ported to Cupcake is so large that I would make my $500 in less than a day (hell... maybe in just a couple of hours) since everyone would be purchasing the $20 widget pack. Then $5 would go to the dev for each download (say 1,000) download the first day (which wouldn't be too unrealistic given the demand) so the dev could easily make $1,500 for the work on release.
That would be a minimum offer!
$10... you won't even get an e-mail of interest for that. Even if it was going to be a free app on the Market. If anything you gave someone an idea to do it themselves, take the credit and charge what ever they want (like $0.99 for ten people like YOU that want it so badly) and he could make more than a lousey $10.
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What are you talking about??? I dont want a widget. I dont even want rights to sell the app. I just want it made so that I can use it lmao.

wait for flash player then , once flash player is integrated u should be able to use all the features of the real site

Some companies pour millions into R&D for applications, $10 would barely buy them coffee. lol. Yeah, best bet is to contact soundclick and ask them if they're developing an app for android. Or hope there a dev out there that wants it as badly as you do, and is currently creating one.
YAY 600 posts.

The $10 is hilarious but besides that it probably isn't possible. There is no public API as far as I can tell. They also you a flash music player. Meaning there is no way to make the calls to stream the music.
Either email them and request it or wait till there is a flash player in android

So to sum everything up here: zayg1, it ain't gonna happen.

If you really want someone to write it for you try http://www.rent-a-coder.com there programmers will bid down against eachother for the job, you might only have to pay someone $1k

$10? Free to make? You don't know anything. Go read a book. Sorry.

Third party site SELLING paid apps

androidplayground (link removed to comply with forum rules, google and take the first result, it's the ****hole in question)
This actually disgusts me.
I won't lie, I'm pro-piracy, and don't mind sites that host apps for free download, but profiting off someone else's work is frankly, sickening.
They do have a contact page, why not let them know how much you appreciate your hard work being stolen?

Looks pretty shady anyway, I'd much rather use the Android Market.

I agree. Charging people do get software you stole is worse than stealing it in the first place IMO.

I feel like I just took a trip back to a 1997 Geocities website

this is pretty much a site that leads to warez and shouldnt be posted. i am just saying.

brian_v3ntura said:
this is pretty much a site that leads to warez and shouldnt be posted. i am just saying.
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And changed.

It's being hosted by hostedsolutions, their contact info is here:
http://www.hostedsolutions.com/contact/
I'm sure they'd like to know what's on their servers.

Wow that's ballsy.
They even link back to the xda forums for formatting and rooting info.
And Dev's they are taking paypal payments. File a complaint with Paypal too.
They used a privacy company to hide who they are.
And then they used Tucows address as their domain registration address?
The whois phone number rings to a looped recording telling you to go to the privacy companies website. Which does not seem to work.
To bad these A$$munchs didn't also make the stupid Android7 Flash Player. We could have killed 2 birds with one stone.

If the site ever starts 'offering' SetCPU, I will do whatever is in my legal power to take them down. I can't do anything about those Chinese or Russian websites, but if it's hosted in the USA, they're going down.

ThrashWolf said:
This actually disgusts me.
I won't lie, I'm pro-piracy, and don't mind sites that host apps for free download, but profiting off someone else's work is frankly, sickening.
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Piracy is piracy. Don't think somehow a for-free piracy distribution site is any more justified than a paid one. If anything, for-free distribution sites hurt developers more than paid sites: which one do you think attracts more pirates? (Note: Don't somehow come to the twisted conclusion that I support piracy of any kind; I don't.)

The difference between the two jashsu is that there is a large contingent of the "try before you buy" type of pirates out there. They'll get a warez version of an app, and if they like it, they'll often uninstall it and pay for the market version. However, if they pay for it through a third party website, the original developer never sees that profit.
Thats not to say I support piracy, because I dont. I fully believe that people should be compensated for hard work. I'm more than willing to pay for an app up front, and if it sucks, the dev will find out by reading the refund notice when i uninstall it within 24 hours.

kusotare said:
The difference between the two jashsu is that there is a large contingent of the "try before you buy" type of pirates out there.
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Please show me some numbers. To get the ball rolling, i'll post a link.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...-more-serious-than-first-though-on-iphone.ars
"The numbers that developers might find most interesting are the ones that show "conversion rates" from "lite" versions to full. Only one out of every 14 average users tends to purchase the paid version of an app after using the lite version, which is just under 7.5 percent. For pirates, the conversion rate is less than half a percent, or one out of every 233."

I download apps. If I like 'em, I pay for them. I'll usually go for a "lite" version if one exists. Anyway, rather than have this thread derailed into a debate about piracy, can we get back to the topic at hand?
I've notified the host, lets see if that does anything.

Sigh. Nothing like a little bit of piracy to set a forum on fire. Doesn't matter what forum you're visiting, could be a forum for food - and the first mention of piracy is bound to bring up what I like to call the forum nazis. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and no amount of gestapo trolling will change that. I find it interesting that people break various laws of various countries / cities / states daily and of course, it's overlooked. Someone makes mention of piracy and all of a sudden you've got the ePolice regime banging on your every post as if it were going to change something. What's my point? None, really. (But there again, there's also no point in bashing piracy, it's not going to make it any less existent.)

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Someone makes mention of piracy and all of a sudden you've got the ePolice regime banging on your every post as if it were going to change something.
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I hope you don't think that I assumed my post would change ThrashWolf's perception on piracy. I was merely pointing out how humorously sad this statement is:
This actually disgusts me.
I won't lie, I'm pro-piracy, and don't mind sites that host apps for free download, but profiting off someone else's work is frankly, sickening.
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I mean.. maybe i'm the only one who finds that just a bit hypocritical? I would have been completely okay if he/she just said "hey dudes, theres a paid piracy site, lets get it shut down" or "I like piracy". But to go and say "I am a pirate, but these other pirates disgust me".. idk.. maybe it's just me, but that's just ridiculous.
Then again what do I know?

Also they spam the android market with there links so make sure if you see it report it as spam.

Doesn't anyone pay for their apps anymore ...

I'll admit it, I pirate apps too, but only to either try it or if I have no other way to even purchase the application.
The thing is, being a high-schooler, I have a cheap, prepaid credit card that only allows transactions in USD. Many apps aren't available in the Market in currency other than Euros or Pounds so I have no other choice to use the apps than to pirate them.
This kind of behavior where people are selling pirated copies instead of just making it available for people who otherwise can't even buy them is really annoying though... anybody thought of a way to get them shut down?

I'm honestly debating to pay for a membership and email every dev that has an app on their. The other known site I've already found 6 apps from me on their and they were removed. But since this place charges just to get a peak I'm very tempted to pay and make sure every company knows and can write C&D's to them and the host.

Piracy is always going to be an issue. Always. I have pirated apps before, usually to test out an app update I have already downloaded and refunded from the marketplace. If the update fixes things I had issues with, I will buy it. If not, then I delete it. I have bought and kept 21 apps from the marketplace so far. I believe my use of pirated apps is fair.
I am not trying to justify piracy, but merely stating it is a great tool for me. I am aware that a lot of people pirate apps just so they don't have to pay for them. I believe that is wrong. However when comparing those who distribute an app for free to those that charge for an app that is not theirs, I believe that the one who distributes for free is the lesser of the two evils. The one who distributes for free is going to reach out to more of the potential market yes, but the scumbags who actually charge for apps that someone worked hard on are the true thieves IMO. They affect a lesser share of the potential market, but keep in mind their "share" is willing to make a purchase in the first place, while the freeloaders "share" is questionable in that department.
Just my 2 cents.

[Q] xbox live games crash

Hi,
I unlocked my phone.
I can download games and install them.
They appear in xbox live, but whenever i try to play them, it just crashes and comes back to xbox live screen or the home screen.
non xbox applications seem to work fine.
I have the latest updates.
can some1 help me plz?

the games are downloaded from marketplace or they are installed with a xap installer?

xap installer

maybe that's the problem...it can be the corrupted xap...try to find and download other xaps...if the free xbox games start normally then it means that the problem is within the xaps

well Im using the 3mktplace v0.54 to find and download games. From where can I download xap games that arent corrupted?

you cant crack live game with this tools... forget it... only solution is to find it cracked on other (very known forum)

You guys are some douchebags for encouraging this. Buy the games legitimately and they won't crash on you. I can't believe this question was even asked and then responded to.

FiyaFleye said:
You guys are some douchebags for encouraging this. Buy the games legitimately and they won't crash on you. I can't believe this question was even asked and then responded to.
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yes if you can buy... i have credit card and want to buy legally but microsoft force me to other ways

FiyaFleye said:
You guys are some douchebags for encouraging this. Buy the games legitimately and they won't crash on you. I can't believe this question was even asked and then responded to.
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there's an user that has a problem and i've tried to give him a solution or an explanation of his problem...from what we know he could have downloaded free xbox games with that software...

You can installed with a xap

I paid for the "Full House Poker" app from the marketplace and it crashes almost every time I try to use it. It works about 1 out of 25 tries, and then when it finally does launch, it crashes about 5 mins into it.

FiyaFleye said:
You guys are some douchebags for encouraging this. Buy the games legitimately and they won't crash on you. I can't believe this question was even asked and then responded to.
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you know seems that you are really ignorant! Not every country has the market place enabled thus can't use or buy items simply because some countries ARE NOT SUPPORTED!!! USA does not mean the WORLD you know.
So if you or MSF wants to ban piracy they better expand their services.....and stop being ignorant.

dxdy said:
yes if you can buy... i have credit card and want to buy legally but microsoft force me to other ways
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Same here. My boss especially is pissed of, cause his phone is not unlocked (due to a various reasons), and both of his cards are a no go in the marketplace (zune.net throws Error! Try again later), live.com says the credit cards cannot be verified. Is it so hard, M$? Really?
And we can talk prices... but that a whole other story..

hmm...
downloading and cracking apps for iphone is much easier - Installes or cydia.
and jailbreaking iphone was easier. I wonder y is that?
the Iphone apps are also cheaper, right?
Thank you guys...

There will be NO discussion of warez here....
If you want things to work then pay for them.... If your too cheap to pay then get your warez advice elsewhere....
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