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[Q] Few ROM and SPL Questions

I've got a few questions, hope no one minds answering. If it's a simple case of RTFM then lock the thread and trash.
1. I've rooted and am using the latest JF build but when I go to telnet I can't connect to localhost anymore. Is this normal?
2. I'm running stock SPL and Radio (not too sure what the radio is btw). Is it best I update before flashing anymore roms?
3. I'm wanting to flash to Cyanogen Mod rom, it looks a lot more complex than simply renaming the rom to update.zip then flashing. Is it safe to assume that there is a lot more work to do? (if so a general point in the right direction would be greatly appreciated).
I really appreciate any help.
Thanks

1. I'm not sure as it has been some time since I last used JF's build I'm afriad...
2. Its advisable at the very least to upgrade your radio (look at my signature for a link). You can upgrade your SPL too providing you have flashed the latest radio FIRST and that you are on a PVT motherboard.
Boot into the SPL to find that out (turn off/reboot the mobile, Hold CAMERA+POWER). It should say at the top.
3. To use Cyanogen's ROM its like flashing any other ROM. Just make sure you have the latest Radio FIRST. Also I believe it works fine for non Apps2SD users so no need to partition your SD card etc to use it.
Hope that helps.

Stock SPL? do you mean HARDSpL?

alritewhadeva said:
Stock SPL? do you mean HARDSpL?
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Unless it was updated while rooting it's probably "G1 Original SPL"
Thanks NeoBlade, I'll update the radio and spl tomorrow then probably try and get nandroid running so I've got a backup in case anything goes wrong.

No worries digital, just do your usual pre-checks before flashing the SPL and remember Radio first ^_-
You'll enjoy the new features and performance improvements using the latest cooked ROMs out there. Most of the info is in my signature but you can also flash the new Recovery image too by Cyanogen (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=523558).
Not only can you create a Nandroid backup from there, you can also restore it too all from your mobile ^_^

Not to be an @ssh*le, but if you root your phone don't you already have the HardSPL? If you follow Koush's guide you were told to flash the HardSPL which isn't the stock SPL at all. Care to shed some light on this?

He could have had the engineering SPL, I remember having that briefly myself in the early days. The main thing is that he just wants to run Cyanogen's ROM so as long as he updates the radio and flashes the ROM without issues it should be fine. Unlike some Hero ROMs it doesn't require the latest SPL to create space for the ROM.
Granted though, its often always nice to have the latest stuff ^_-

Ok well if you DECIDE to update to the latest radio and SPL just go to my guide below and go to the second post. That will tell you how to install the radio and spl updates!
Good luck!

Indeed ^_^ And once that's done, perhaps change the title to SOLVED so people know. We shall have to wait for digital to get back to us about it.

This is the guide I used:
http://haykuro.theiphoneproject.org/?page_id=35
Sorry alritewhadeva:
I'm on the HardSPL so I guess I don't need to bother updating that again. I didn't get to the point where it said to update to the newest radio.
Reading a bit further it also says that I can do a backup easily using adb which is already setup. At some point in the process it must have installed the things needed for nandroid backup. I think it was the recovery.img part.
Thanks for the great link Nephron, I used it before to setup adb on my netbook (running win7 on my main machine).
Before I flash the latest radio is it safe to do this *after* updating the spl?
Thanks for all the great help, I really appreciate it.

As a thumb of rule, always flash the radio first before the SPL and the ROM.
Tell us how it goes ^_^ If you've managedto do it, could you please edit the title then to add SOLVED? Good luck.

Soo do you have to flash the radio and SPL everytime you want to flash a rom??? i already have the latest radio, i just want to make sure i dont make a mistake

Tr1n1Jay said:
Soo do you have to flash the radio and SPL everytime you want to flash a rom??? i already have the latest radio, i just want to make sure i dont make a mistake
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No you don't. Only once... then kind of keep an eye on the forum to see if better radio or SPL comes along. So far I had to update my radio once. What recovery image do you have (home+power), is it still JF1.43? You should update that to CM 1.4, you get a lot more flexibility with that... read up on it in development forum. All in all, unless you plan to install Hero anytime soon (and I personally don't recommend it, too slow and buggy) you should be good with (in that very order)
1. Flashing newest RADIO (Haykuro has it in the link you provided, only need to do it once and you already did it!)
2. Flashing HardSPL (you already did that too! no need to do it again)
2. Updating your Recovery Image (once more, this only needs to be done once)
After that - flash any rom you feel like at any time you feel like doing it.
Hope that helps, good luck!

I agree with everything borodin1 said. If you're on a 1.5 ROM you really should have the new radio already, but you can always go back and flash it. Afterwards you'll want hard SPL or haykuro's. Haykuro's is what you'll need for most HTC based ROMs (Hero, Rogers). Most people brick when flashing Haykuro's ROM because they don't read. Aslong as you have the new radio and a PVT phone (go to the bootloader - home + camera - and it should say PVT) you will be fine.

how hard is it to brick your phone?

hey guys im fairly new to this forum and this is my first post, well let me get to the point, i got my G1 lets say 2 months ago and ive heard a lot about "rooting" and i thought id give it try, i was just nervous about one thing and that is "bricking" so i was just wondering how easily it is to brick my phone? if that happened oh man i dont know what i would do..thanks

If you read a lot and follow directions I think the chances are very slim. It seems like the main cause of a bricked phone is when someone tries to update to the danger SPL (the spl's you need to run a hero rom) before they update to the latest radio.

sakumaxp said:
hey guys im fairly new to this forum and this is my first post, well let me get to the point, i got my G1 lets say 2 months ago and ive heard a lot about "rooting" and i thought id give it try, i was just nervous about one thing and that is "bricking" so i was just wondering how easily it is to brick my phone? if that happened oh man i dont know what i would do..thanks
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I'm in no way shape or form an expert on any of this stuff but I have my phone running at a high level I believe. So the advice I can offer as a novice is read read read read read search search search search search and read read read read some more and if you can't find the answer ask but make sure in the right forum or u may get "flamed" lol some ppl will but for the most part ppl will point u in the rite direction. also stick 2 the basics when flashing don't get lazy and skip steps they are there for a reason good luck

If by brick you mean having the phone not even go to a recovery screen then it is very hard.
If by brick you mean having android not boot, then very easy.
There are step by step tutorials out for everything now so it is unlikely you will run into problems if you have a bit of sense.
I would first recommend trying to get the JF1.5 rom and then immediatly upgrading to cyogens 1.4 recovery rom. the ums_enable command has saved me numerous times. What it does is enable usb through the recovery terminal so you can load up some different files or another rom and try again.

And really if all you do is follow the directions and don't try to speed ahead thinking you know something everything should work out great

imbonez9 said:
And really if all you do is follow the directions and don't try to speed ahead thinking you know something everything should work out great
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Exactly!
When I first looked in to rooting I was also worried about bricking. Like others have said the main reason people brick is updating to haykuro's SPL without the cupcake radio (which is doubly stupid as they probably have a cupcake and should have had it already). After you have rooted and have installed the recovery image you can flash ROMs as much as you want, if your phone becomes unbootable because you messed with a file on your phone, you can just reflash. Btw, someone just posted a thread on how to brick their G1 because it seemed unbrickable

Does anyone know what the difference between the 2.22.19.26I and the 3.22.20.17 (came on my Rogers Dream) radio is? Will I brick my phone if flash haykuro's SPL with the 3.22.20.17 radio?

1 Click Rooting...

Ok I've done the 1 Click Root process. The problem is, I totally UNrooted my phone before I did the 1 click root. I tried to load a Hero rom I got off the www.theunlockr.com website but I had to update the SPL which bricked my phone. I did wipe first so thats not the problem. I don't know what went wrong when I bricked my phone. I am getting a new from t-mobile(I kinda told them the donut 1.6 update screwed my phone up).
Now I want to root again with the 1 click but do I need to go back to the original build RC29 build or whatever it was in order to root with the 1 click ? And when I flash to a new rom do I need to update the SPL again?

READ FIRST!! I dont know where so search. I dont feel like finding you all the guides warnings and post about it. There are many precautions to take while flashing hero and even if you follow all of them to the "T" you still have a big chance of bricking your phone so use the Search Bar

nickryan0612 said:
READ FIRST!! I dont know where so search. I dont feel like finding you all the guides warnings and post about it. There are many precautions to take while flashing hero and even if you follow all of them to the "T" you still have a big chance of bricking your phone so use the Search Bar
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The thing is I've flashed all sorts of rom's before, but I wanted to try the 1 click rooting process. I think what happened is I flashed the SPL before I flashed the updated radio. I was doing some research on the whole thing. I flashed the SPL first.

if you use the DREAIMG.nbh to go back to rc-29, it is really easier to use the telnet commands then it is to root with the one click imo, you can use one-click root, but you have to find the newer version of the recovery flasher, and if you use it and don't flash a custom rom, then the system will overwrite the custom recovery image with the stock one. if you use the telnet commands then you will overwrite the stock recovery image with a custom one, so the telnet commands are more stable
to update your spl, make sure you have a pvt board in bootloader (camera and power) and that your radio is 2.22.19.26I (make sure you have that radio, not just assume after you flash it) then you can get rid of all the user error in flashing the 1.33.2005 SPL.

xOneSainTx said:
The thing is I've flashed all sorts of rom's before, but I wanted to try the 1 click rooting process. I think what happened is I flashed the SPL before I flashed the updated radio. I was doing some research on the whole thing. I flashed the SPL first.
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Were you already rooted when you did the 1 click root? - if you were then that might have been were the mess up happened because once you do the one click root you have to flash a rom (probabably cyanogen would be best) to continue or you lose root.
Following that question if you were already rooted and had hard spl and new radio - the one click might have cause you to lose that.
You have to flash from hard spl to danger spl
Radio should be newest or second to newest
Also it is said to flash hero rom right after flashing spl. - Which means not turning off your phone or rebooting after flashing
- I saw a video were they were at the rainbow boot screen and they flashed the Danger Spl and then inserted a new sd card that had hero and flashed it without rebooting.
Read up more on this

is one click still ok ?
I've had my G1 for about a yr now. Watching the mods grow . Never had thought about rooting just because I didn't want to have to keep changing to keep up to date. Then the one click came out and it was time. Ordered my 8gig class6 sd and before I got it Google did this C&D to CY. I see people saying they are doing the 1 click method and the links they put on are before the C&D. Can it still work ? Also everyone who tries to give directions how to get root and roms are different. Even this thread has been changed or something was left out. Is there a true one click method ? I tried theUnlockr way 3 times and I still wound upwith a wiped phone. Please Help Me ...

nPHILLY said:
I've had my G1 for about a yr now. Watching the mods grow . Never had thought about rooting just because I didn't want to have to keep changing to keep up to date. Then the one click came out and it was time. Ordered my 8gig class6 sd and before I got it Google did this C&D to CY. I see people saying they are doing the 1 click method and the links they put on are before the C&D. Can it still work ? Also everyone who tries to give directions how to get root and roms are different. Even this thread has been changed or something was left out. Is there a true one click method ? I tried theUnlockr way 3 times and I still wound upwith a wiped phone. Please Help Me ...
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one click will not work in donut 1.6. it will be patched, there is a thorough guide in my sig. i also have links i can give you for cm 4.0.4 and 4.1.11.1 if you want them.

1-click root only works with CRC1 and lower. Personally, I prefer to downgrade to RC29 and manually root it. I've done it about 20 times that way and have never once had an issue. In fact, I did it last night and today that way and both phones are rooted with Hero ROMs and running perfectly.
My advice, find a good tutorial (there are plenty, particularly the stickies on XDA on the subject) and download all necessary files ahead of time so that you aren't stuck in the middle of rooting looking for a file. If you want to flash the update "Danger" SPL, there is a combination radio/spl so that bricking is less likely. Search XDA for it. Also, check if you have PVT board first (camera+power). If not, brick it you will (or more than likely will). If I had to guess the main reason for problems and bricks it is that people rush the process and skip steps because they started the process without reading the whole tutorial.

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Were you already rooted when you did the 1 click root? - if you were then that might have been were the mess up happened because once you do the one click root you have to flash a rom (probabably cyanogen would be best) to continue or you lose root.
Following that question if you were already rooted and had hard spl and new radio - the one click might have cause you to lose that.
You have to flash from hard spl to danger spl
Radio should be newest or second to newest
Also it is said to flash hero rom right after flashing spl. - Which means not turning off your phone or rebooting after flashing
- I saw a video were they were at the rainbow boot screen and they flashed the Danger Spl and then inserted a new sd card that had hero and flashed it without rebooting.
Read up more on this
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I was rooted before I did the one click but I downgraded to RC29 with DREAIMG.nbh file. I did the 1 click process fine. I figured that what fxcked up my phone is that i flashed the custom SPL before I flashed the new radio first. I'm pretty sure thats what messed it up. I wanted to the Amon Ra's Recovery image and I didn't know how install that with out doing the 1 click root process.

ya if you flash spl before raidio that's what messed you up ! always radio first then spl . but you know that now .can you get in recovery at all ?

lucky 69 said:
ya if you flash spl before raidio that's what messed you up ! always radio first then spl . but you know that now .can you get in recovery at all ?
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No I can't get passed the G1 boot screen. Its ok though T-Mo is sending me a "LIKE NEW" G1. I told them the donut update screwed my phone up. I can't believe I did the SPL first but its a mistake that could have cost me more then a 19.95 delivery fee that IS being waived by T-Mo.
But heres the question with 1 click root do I need to downgrade to RC29 or no?

xOneSainTx said:
No I can't get passed the G1 boot screen. Its ok though T-Mo is sending me a "LIKE NEW" G1. I told them the donut update screwed my phone up. I can't believe I did the SPL first but its a mistake that could have cost me more then a 19.95 delivery fee that IS being waived by T-Mo.
But heres the question with 1 click root do I need to downgrade to RC29 or no?
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no just be on stock cupcake and use the 1 click root. Then when you did that go into recovery and flash a rom that is not hero or requires danger spl

nickryan0612 said:
no just be on stock cupcake and use the 1 click root. Then when you did that go into recovery and flash a rom that is not hero or requires danger spl
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Sounds good. Before screwing things up I always had good success in flashing roms trying multiple roms in a day. My favorite is the xRom. I am curious to see if eventually there will be a Cliq rom.

installing eclair on g1

im trying to install the eclair 2.0.1 on my g1
but whenever i try to run the installation it get aborted
i wiped all my data
created 3 partitions (fat32 ext3 linux)
im trying to run it from the recovery menu
why is the operationg gets aborted
thx for the helpers

Start by reading the rules of the forum.
Using the search button
and posting in the right section if you haven't find your answer.+
Thanks

I suppose you are refering to eugenes rom. If yes then write this in his thread. If no, dont start a new thread in the developer section....
Anyway, i had problems cuz i was running out of battery. While charging, it worked

U should have asked this question in the thread that u got the rom from not make a new thread. Second. Ur problem is that u don't have the danger spl. Plz do more research

i refer to eugene rom
and my phone is in charge now
what can i do to make it work
do i even suppose to flash it from recovery mode?

ok thx ill download danger spl and see what happens

titanos said:
ok thx ill download danger spl and see what happens
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READ, READ, READ and then, when you are sure you know everything READ some more.
Its called Danger SPL for a reason.

titanos said:
i refer to eugene rom
and my phone is in charge now
what can i do to make it work
do i even suppose to flash it from recovery mode?
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I really, really don't want to sound condescending... but Eugene373's Eclair ROM is highly experimental, and even experienced hacker/developers struggle to get it usable on their devices. If you didn't know that you needed the Danger SPL, or you weren't 100% sure how to flash it... you definitely don't want it. It's intended for testers to use and help fix issues, not for daily use. A lot of stuff is still broken on it. So, listen carefully: This is NOT intended to be used on the phone you use every day for making calls and such. This is for testing purposes. If that's not your cuppa tea, try Cyanogen, Dwang, TheOfficial, or if you're feeling bold and risky, try WesGarner's neat tweak of Cyanogen's ROM with the 10Mb RAM hack.

Questions before i root my G1

I bought a G1 2 days ago and i've been reading a lots of tutorials on how to root the phone, i have hacked/Modified every phone i've had so far (Motorola/Sony Ericsson/Nokia) and i would like to do the same with my G1 (That;s why i bought it for) the problem is that every tutorial i see wants me to downgrade to RC29 which isn't complicated but the problem is that it has the DMD64 update.
1- Is the rooting process the same for DMD64 or do i need something special to downgrade? i read about the goldcard but i also heard it was not necessary all the time.
2- Since this is my first time rooting , is there a way to make sure i don't brick my phone? like making a backup of the OS or whatever i need to fix it in case i brick it.
3-What are the latest/best files to root it things like Recovery, ROM, SPL (i don't fully understand what this is and how it is different from the recovery)
Thank You.

Frodcord said:
I bought a G1 2 days ago and i've been reading a lots of tutorials on how to root the phone, i have hacked/Modified every phone i've had so far (Motorola/Sony Ericsson/Nokia) and i would like to do the same with my G1 (That;s why i bought it for) the problem is that every tutorial i see wants me to downgrade to RC29 which isn't complicated but the problem is that it has the DMD64 update.
1- Is the rooting process the same for DMD64 or do i need something special to downgrade? i read about the goldcard but i also heard it was not necessary all the time.
2- Since this is my first time rooting , is there a way to make sure i don't brick my phone? like making a backup of the OS or whatever i need to fix it in case i brick it.
3-What are the latest/best files to root it things like Recovery, ROM, SPL (i don't fully understand what this is and how it is different from the recovery)
Thank You.
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1: I have no idea if the rooting process is the same for DMD64 or not, but I do not see why it would be any different. But, I could be wrong. I was lucky enough to have RC29 when I purchased mine.
2: The only thing that you can do to make sure you do not brick your phone is to FOLLOW EACH STEP CAREFULLY! Do not skip steps, or add your own. This mainly applies to flashing the Radio and SPL. If you f*ck that up, you're bricked, heh.
3: This confused me at first as well.
What is a SPL? The SPL, or Second Program Loader, in conjunction with the IPL comprise a device's bootloader. Aside from bootstrapping Android, the bootloader also fulfills various diagnostic functions. One of these functions is the manipulation of data in the device's internal flash ram. Depending on the SPL installed, the user can apply a signed NBH file, flash nand images, and more. Note that the SPL is installed and operates independently of the Android build that runs atop it.
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The recovery is kind of like pressing F8 when you are booting into Windows. It lets you make changes to your system, w/o booting the the complete Operating System (The Android OS in this case). Using the recovery menu, you can flash new ROMs, format your SD card, enable the USB Mass Storage so you can see the SD card within windows, do a factory reset on the device, open up a terminal to manually input commands, perform a backup of your device (you can back up most everything on it) which allows you to restore from that backup if you mess something up.
But, then there is your FastBoot screen as well. FastBoot is where you need to be to flash your SPL and Radio. I am not 100% sure as to the correct order of the flashing off the top of my head, but google around (or simply search this forum), and you will find all the info you need.
Not all ROMs require you to have the "Danger/Haykuro/Death SPL" though. Many of them will work on a stock SPL. However, if you do feel the need to try one of the ROMs that require you to use the Death SPL, you can find all the information about it here: http://code.google.com/p/android-roms/wiki/SPL.
Good luck with your new G1, and do NOT be afraid to ask for help if you need it. Nobody likes to see one of these devices get bricked

Thanks a lot for helping me I thought that the recovery was the f8 in a computer too but I still have my doubts about the spl and the radio. I'll try to root my phone tomorrow i'll give you guys an update after I get to 1.5.
Wish me luck xD.

Frodcord said:
Thanks a lot for helping me I thought that the recovery was the f8 in a computer too but I still have my doubts about the spl and the radio. I'll try to root my phone tomorrow i'll give you guys an update after I get to 1.5.
Wish me luck xD.
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Remember, always RADIO BEFORE THE SPL. If you do decide to mess with SPL, make sure to flash engineering (or hard) first, and then flash Danger/Death SPL thru fastboot. This eliminates 99% chance of the brick.
Good luck.

borodin1 said:
Remember, always RADIO BEFORE THE SPL. If you do decide to mess with SPL, make sure to flash engineering (or hard) first, and then flash Danger/Death SPL thru fastboot. This eliminates 99% chance of the brick.
Good luck.
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Lol how is he going to know what fastboot/adb is? OP, don't mess with the SPL and radio until you know what your doing. Flash a rom like cyanogen or Enom's AOSP if you don't want to mess with them.

Ok I've done it i am running 1.5 now so if a person comes asking about DMD64 (G1) now you know what to say. You don't need a goldcard or something else just the dreaimg.nbh and there is nothing to worry about.
I still don't fully understand the SPL and Radio part so i'll keep reading until i am ready to use a custom ROM.

so just root DMD64 the normal way?