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I have the HTC branded P3600 unlocked.
I tried out both LVSW's cooked ROM and the latest Dopod D810 ROM. Both are excelllent updates, but turned out not to be right for me. Thought I'd share in case this is useful to anyone else.
I am in an area of Los Angeles in the US which still does not yet have 3G. I also don't personally need the GPS feature. I am fine with an ordinary map and I need my battery life for phone and email. That is just my personal preference.
Anyway, in my case, I found three pitfalls with the new ROMs.
1. The phone got hotter and used more battery. I assume that the GPS was trying to do its thing even though I wasn't actually using it.
2. Signal can be sketchy at my home. The HTC P3600 has been the first PDA phone to give me a full strength signal here, on a par with a standard cell phone. But with the new ROMs my full bar strength fell in half. I assume this is to do with further optimizations for 3G which, unfortunately, currently give me no benefit. Anyhow, I got weaker GPRS/EDGE and weaker GSM.
3. The Dopod ROM (and LVSW cooked variant - which is a very nice job BTW) have significantly different ActiveSync/Direct Push settings. The Heartbeat Increments and other related settings are quite different. This was not good for my Exchange service and Push Mail. I started getting my mail at about 5 minute intervals, not right away. Some kind of timeout going on I guess. Of course, I was able to dip into the registry and make adjustments, but with my lower EDGE signal, things still were not working quite as well.
Bottom line: I went back to the Official HTC P3600 ROM (fortunately I had saved it before it had to be removed from the XDA-Dev FTP site. (HTC do not provide even the original ROM to customers at this time). There was no problem going back. So no harm, no foul.
I did save the HTC Task Manager application and added it back in. Nice addition, missing from the original HTC version. So it was definitely worth trying the new ROMs all in all.
Obviously, the issue here is that my local Network is lacking - the new ROMs are good. But the fact remained the original ROM gives me much better performance here, particularly battery life, signal strength and more reliable Direct Push.
Sorry for the unrelated post, but I needed some help after reading your post.
I am also in the Los Angeles area (OC) with T-Mobile.
I got an unlocked trinity about 2 months ago. It has worked very well, except I do not seem to be able to connect to Edge. Your post seemed to indicate that you have been able to connect to it.
Can you please tell me how I can make that happen?
Also, which GPS software would you recommend for Southern California, if I chose to enable the GPS hardware on my machine.
Any help will be appreciated.
Thanks
Hi Kewlphone! I think (hope!) you are actually getting Edge. For some reason the HTC P3600 simply displays the G symbol even when you are getting Edge. To be fair I think Edge is just an upgraded form of GPRS. Actually if you install the Dopod ROM it does give you the E symbol. There may well be a registry tweak to show an E, but I just don't know it.
There are no special settings needed. I just connect to wap.voicestream.com.
internet2.voicestream.com also works with my Internet plan, but I prefer to connect the first one as it also is the right one for picture messaging. Also you want to have T-Mobile Internet, not just the T-Mobile Web plan (formery t-zones) which is restricted to sites for phones and does not allow full Internet access or downloading attachments.
T-Mobile just tightened up their protocols dues to a cheat some people had been using to get full access out of the Web plan. This temporarily messed up my Internet access but tech support reprovisioned my account as I pay for the full Internet plan.
First off, I suggest you check your actual download speeds using
http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1
It is speed test specially for Mobile devices. If you get around 30 to 40 kbps ish that is standard GPRS. Edge should be around 100 to 120 ish in practice. Obviously it varies a lot by time of day, location etc.
There is also a registry tweak I found that may help download speed. You need a registry editor like Total Commander available from ghisler.com (You would want to download the 2.5 beta version for WM5. It is free).
The registry setting involved determines how much data the device will accept in a chunk.
HKLM\Comm\Tcpip\Parms\TcpWindowSize
If your device has this parameter set to less than 65536 change it to this amount. This helped me get consisitent Edge speeds. I am not aware of any harm that will be done be setting it higher still, other than you may need to set it back again if it doesn't work right!
Sorry, I have no experience with GPS software. The program people mention generally is Tom Tom. I believe this is the defacto choice for many people and it is made for many different devices. I am sure the company has a web site. If not I am sure it is available at places like mobileplanet.com.
Please bear in mind that we people using this site (XDA-dev) are enthusiasts who like to tweak and customize our phones. It is not our objective to help ourselves to free software, only to get the most out of the devices and the built-in software we have already paid for... I don't mean to suggest you are looking for any free downloads and you certainly did not imply that. I am just conscious there has just been an issue with Microsoft objecting to some of the downloads on this site so we need to be careful to keep things absolutely clearly legit. Tom Tom is a commericial product not included with the P3600 and will need to be purchased separately.
HTH
I am also in LA (West side.) Here is my experience:
I use LVSW's ROM and get 3G (Cingular.) Just tested a 1MB file download from the dslreports link above and got 642kbit/sec. There are some areas in town where it goes to E (for EDGE,) but at least in my case it's not too often (it went to E yesterday in the Custom's area at LAX, but to be honest, I was just happy to get signal there
The GPS works great. I don't really use it here, because I have built-in ones in my cars, but it is very handy when travelling.
I also don't use Cingular's push mail, but use my POP3 mail account, and have set the Trinity to check it every 15 minutes, which works fine for me.
642kbps?? WOW! Excuse me while a turn as green as the HTC theme with envy! That is intersting for me as I am also on LA's west side. BTW I concur about reception inside LAX customs area. Just being able to make a regular call from there is a feat! Hardly a concern that your data merely dropped to Edge speed!
I had been considering switching to Cingular to get 3G, although both where I live and where I work are both actually just off the official 3G map at the moment.... Switching would also just about double my bill, and put me back in a contract. So I am holding out till 3G coverage settles down a bit more. Looks like T-Mobile are finally going to 3G here, though that may still take many months...
Do Cingular even offer there own Push Mail? I was under the impression that their Xpress mail service retreives mail something like the T-Mobile equivilent (15 minutes intervals) I use Direct Push from my Exchange account so it requires only the Data connection, nothing else carrier specific.
Sorry, I am getting way off topic. This is not carrier comparision forum!
The relevant point is that it is good to know that the LVSW ROMs seems like the best for people in the USA too, assuming your carrier has 3G and especially if you use GPS. My situation sounds like the exception and will likely be transitory anyway.
BTW MacGuy2006, I think kewlphone might appreciate your advice on GPS software. Sounds like you have quite a bit of experience with it.
Thanks for the info I might join you on Cingular yet! I also think we may soon see even more ROM magic from our friend LVSW too!
Yeah, I am sort of satisfied with Cingular, and really do like 3G, which finally makes PDA Internet use a possibility for me (I can read the wires if I am stuck somewhere They refer to "push-mail," but I have not tried it, so I don't know if it's instantaneous or not.
As to GPS software, I use TomTom 6, which is generally fine and has a broad range of maps. I kind of like the design of Navigon 6 a bit better (http://www.navigon.com/site/us/en/mobile_navigation/pda/screenshots,) but have not seen it in action.
As an aside, yesterday I installed the 1.38.00.11 radio ROM lurking here, and my 3G speeds never exceeded the mid-400s. It may have been a fluke, but I went back to 1.35 and clocked in the mid-700
Thanks for sharing that info. Just to check, do you find you are able to up and downgrade just the Radio ROMs without a hard reset? TIA
I'm using the Dopod Rom with the 1.38 radio upgrade. As expected, the battery life is significantly reduced with the GPS enabled (using TomTom6), but overall I really like the fact that my phone can basically do anything now.
I think it might have more difficulty picking up signals now than it did with the original HTC rom. When I'm in my home office, I really don't get any signal at all now, which my plethora of computer equipment doesn't help, but the phone shows a solid four bars when I'm at work, and it connects to Edge very fast there too.
I tried both TomTom 6.02 and 6.03, and 6.03 is definitely better. It automatically knows to use the built-in GPS receiver (You don't have to select NMEA, COM 9), and it grabs the signal faster. Unfortunately I couldn't get the maps activated for 6.03, but they don't have any problem with 6.02, so I'm stuck with it.
I'm definitely looking forward to upgrading to WM6. Woot!
-John
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Thanks for sharing that info. Just to check, do you find you are able to up and downgrade just the Radio ROMs without a hard reset? TIA
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No, I backed up, reinstalled the LVSW ROM and restored
Hi flamingcrumb,
Thank you for your detailed response.
I have the full t-mo web plan, but have specifically taken access to internet3.voicestream.com becuase of VPN access needs.
I ran a speed test on my device and it shows 39 kbps. That tells me it is a regular GPRS connection. Do you know of any areas in the region where Edge is available? Sounds like westside may be one.
As far as GPS software goes, I was looking for recommendations based on availability and correctness of maps for southern cal. I had purchased and used Ostia in the past, however I did not like either the interface or stability.
Thanks
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... As far as GPS software goes, I was looking for recommendations based on availability and correctness of maps for southern cal....
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You can compare maps here: http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=53419
AFAIK, TomTom uses Tele Atlas maps, which are fine (but I had one problem finding a a street in Orange County.) Navigon, I believe, uses Navteq maps, which I think of as more accurate (one of mine built-in navigation systems uses Navteq maps, and it has never lied to me
I appreciate the helpful posts on using GPS and the various software options. Good to know. Nothing I can add, you good people all know way more than I do, I don't see reduced battery life with GPS as a "fault" in any way - just a law of physics. For example, if I had my phone on for web browsing all the time at full brightness and used bluetooth plus wireless non-stop, the battery is going to run down faster. That's fair enough. I did notice there seemed to be a little bit of more drain with the GPS ROMs even with GPS inactive. I wonder if it ticks away in the background ready for use? It does certainly seem that enabling additional features might be reducing standard GSM sgnal strength. My feeling is that a little bit of internal radio interference might be a reasonable thing to expect. The Trinity has goodness how many radios? 4 bands of GSM, 3 Bands of w/CDMA, BlueTooth, WiFi, GPS... all in a device the size of deck of cards. Again, the laws of physics may simply apply.
The bottom line I get from this is there is unlikely to be a benefit in upgrading to a ROM which provides features I am not accessing. That doesn't mean the new ROMs are anything less than great, just not of benefit with my carrier in my location at this moment.
kewlphone, I definitely think you should be getting Edge speeds everywhere in the Los Angeles and Orange County areas, without even doing any tweaks. Bear in mind the standard HTC P3600 ROM always seems to just show the G, the key test is the speed not the symbol. But the speed you describe is not Edge. It will vary by time of day and location etc, so it is worth repeating the test quite a few times. You defintely should be seeing at least 100k when you have a full signal strength in urban areas, especially at off-peak hours... at least some of the time! I think you should call Customer Support and ask for a data specialist and talk it over with them. Perhaps they can reset your data account or help in some way. The positive spin I always go for to keep them on my side even though I have an unsupported phone is by explaining I am a loyal customer but the phones they offer don't meet my needs at present. So I am using my own phone because otherwise I would have to switch to another carrier and I don't want to "because you guys are so great" etc etc. In a few months there will be more T-Mobile phones available and I will be getting one. In the meantime I need to make things work so I can stay with T-Mobile. This is a semi-truth and but greatly overstates my loyalty, which is really only limited to the killer deal I get on a huge bucket of minutes (and is being serverely tested by their lagging in the 3G...) but it is a positive spin to give them a good reason to help me even though my phone is unsupported.
BTW I describe the Trinity as being most like the MDA but a generation or two on. If you get a decent data technician the chances are good they will know what you are talking about and will also be well away of T-Mo's limitations themselves. Chances are good they will do their best to help.
A place that might be helpful and more appropriate for discussing US carrier issues is howardforums dot com. They also have a Wiki which is quite useful. Obviously the XDA-Dev forum is for the tech stuff and tweaking to the the max! I think I have the same user name on howardforums so maybe we can find a good thread for trouble shooting our carrier stuff over there. Don't think I have actually posted yet but I will do as I ultimately need to decide whether to stick with T-Mo or jump to Cingy/ATT. If you register with the same name it will be easy for me spot you on their board. All the best. Please let me know about your progress
Sorry to bump this thread when it is probably only of interest to a small number of people - perhaps mostly in L.A. on T-Mo.
Quick update: I must confess that I caved in and have switched to Cingy/ATT. Much better signal strength where I live, even just on EDGE. I don't like their sky high rates or customer service all that much, plus their data plans are a riduculously complicated mess of choices... but they do have a lot of 3G and much better coverage in my location...oh well. Also feel like it will still surely take T-Mo a lot of time to deploy their own 3G... and I can always go back later!
Anyway, it now really made sense for me to upgrade my ROM. I have also been trying out GPS, just wih the free Google Maps for the monent as a little taster test! Pretty cool though
Another really big reason I gave up on the standard ROM was that I kept having the age old issue of my reminders not sounding and could cure only it with a hard reset each time. It has yet to be seen if the updated ROM helps or not. I realize the non-sounding reminders issue is a well known Windows Mobile problem, but it was happening every couple of weeks rather than once in a while. Anyone got any thoughts on this please???
The reminders issue is probably my biggest factor in picking a ROM and there is no obvious way of choosing between the HTC/LVSW/Dopod options other than trying them all. I cling to av ague hope someone might have already been through this one...
Oh, BTW I am using LVSW 1.24.0.0 with Radio 1.33.00.11
TIA
You only need the $19.99 unlimited media works plan to take advantage of 3G. Cingular will tell you that you must have the $49.99 pda plan but you do not, trust me I use my trinity with the media works plan and I use 3G perfect usually around 350kbs, for streaming video.
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You only need the $19.99 unlimited media works plan to take advantage of 3G. Cingular will tell you that you must have the $49.99 pda plan but you do not, trust me I use my trinity with the media works plan and I use 3G perfect usually around 350kbs, for streaming video.
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same here...i'm using the unlimited $19.99 plan and i also use my phone for internet sharing with my laptop (e.g., phone as a modem).
Thanks good people. I had noticed that the MEdia Net plans seems to do the job (without restriction if the proxy is not used) but could not be sure if that was a lucky fluke or that is how it is...
Good to hear the definite facts from people with solid experience.... and I much appreciate it.
Coming in, I do really think the Cingy data plans are a confusing mess... I would imagine the average Joe or Jane walking into a phone store could feel overwhelmed. I think they should simplify the plans... but what do I know? (Not much, I admit!)
While we are talking Trinty and Cingular may I ask which ROM people feel is best for stabilty right now? I was having that prob with reminders not sounding... an old issue, but much worse than usual! Any guidance would be welcomed.
Best
P.S. turcomora, when you mention Streaming Video are you talking Cingy Video>...? I have been following the threads but still can't get that to work. Or are you refering to something else, like the Streaming Media application (which I have yet to figure out a use for!) Either way I would be most interested. Thanks again and B4N
so here is the deal.
I am on my third tilt from AT&T. The first phone the receptions sucked they said it was fine... I do everything to try and fix, ROMs, radio etc... etc... finally i got an external antenna, it was passable. My son then started working and Best Buy mobile and said this phone is not normal push it... so I did.
Short story they sent me another phone (warranty). This phone seemed a little better receptions etc... so I reconnect to all the corporate stuff (email etc.) and add just a few utilities to manage
- Kaiser Tweaks
- SKTools
- HTC plugin
Seems ok couple months pass and I notice same poor reception... eventually the only solution is to leave the connector for the external attenna on the phone to improve reception. this sucks as I walk around with extra wire on the phone but hey it works...
just two days ago I again tire of this and do battle with AT&T and they send me another replacement... lo and behold the reception is better (two bars in my house, one in basement.. I am happy right... yup.
So i go through the process of reconfig... setup..install and since my office is in the basement reconnect external attenna (to get 4 bars).
Guess what by the next morning phone is performing exactly like the others.
This leaves me with two possible logical assumptions
1. Somehow the use of an external antenna is impacting the phone (changing sensitivity, radio, etc.)
2. the install of Kaiser, or SK or other utilities (again nothing dramatic) is making a registry change which impacts peformance.
Additional info
After poor performance I hard reset - no impact
On Windows Mobile 6.1 Build 5.2.19214
ROM 3.57.502.2
Radio 1.65.21.18
Prot 25.88.40.05H
Thoughts?
I beleive you are right.. I have read numberous posts that after you plug something into the external cell antenna port, you will never get" good" reception again.. That is why it is covered on the batterydoor (nor like the gps one)... Just thought you might want to know...
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so here is the deal.
I am on my third tilt from AT&T. The first phone the receptions sucked they said it was fine... I do everything to try and fix, ROMs, radio etc... etc... finally i got an external antenna, it was passable. My son then started working and Best Buy mobile and said this phone is not normal push it... so I did.
Short story they sent me another phone (warranty). This phone seemed a little better receptions etc... so I reconnect to all the corporate stuff (email etc.) and add just a few utilities to manage
- Kaiser Tweaks
- SKTools
- HTC plugin
Seems ok couple months pass and I notice same poor reception... eventually the only solution is to leave the connector for the external attenna on the phone to improve reception. this sucks as I walk around with extra wire on the phone but hey it works...
just two days ago I again tire of this and do battle with AT&T and they send me another replacement... lo and behold the reception is better (two bars in my house, one in basement.. I am happy right... yup.
So i go through the process of reconfig... setup..install and since my office is in the basement reconnect external attenna (to get 4 bars).
Guess what by the next morning phone is performing exactly like the others.
This leaves me with two possible logical assumptions
1. Somehow the use of an external antenna is impacting the phone (changing sensitivity, radio, etc.)
2. the install of Kaiser, or SK or other utilities (again nothing dramatic) is making a registry change which impacts peformance.
Additional info
After poor performance I hard reset - no impact
On Windows Mobile 6.1 Build 5.2.19214
ROM 3.57.502.2
Radio 1.65.21.18
Prot 25.88.40.05H
Thoughts?
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that has been my thinking which is why I was posting here to see if there was any knowledge or experience.. I pushed this issue with ATT support but surprisingingly they said not only was there not an issue but should not be an issue with using and external antenna. I would have thought they might try to use it as a warranty issue...
The antenna is useful both for office (basement) and travel as it really improves sustaining connections on long drives (data/voice).
I would think that if the issue was out there it would surface.
I too have had on/off reception on the Kaiser. It has to be a hardware issue because the true reception is grand. I have moments in time versus location where it will refuse to call out, receive calls or send/rec text messages. Then 5-20+ minutes go by and I find I missed calls, txt's, etc. I would reboot it, reset it, etc and it will always do it. I can use any other phone on the same provider and always have a perfect signal in the same location. Kaiser will even display a full signal in the bar and still nothing. Yesterday for example (I live in Las Vegas), I drove from one end of town to the other. The entire trip, the phone would not work. It drove me nuts because I was trying to call someone who was trying hard to get into touch with me. It started causing panic in the other person because they couldn't reach me and I couldn't call them. It is just a repetitive headache.
I have had the phone for about a year now (maybe a little longer). Just like you, in the beginning it worked great! Then over time it seems to get worse and worse. I *don't* use an external antenna so I think the phone goes to crap no matter what. Maybe its a resource issue. Over time the performance of reception has gotten worse, but of course over time I have done more and more to the phone. The phone seems just about fine in speed for everything else (at least it performs how I'd expect it to)....but maybe the phone/messaging software side of things sees something else on the backend that I don't.
I have WM 6.0, and was thinking 6.1 might fix it, but based on your review I will save myself the headache of upgrading at one of the stores since it won't change a thing. I am horribly displeased with this phone.
Tilt Antenna connectors
I thought I was smart, but got the two external antena connectors confused because when I upgraded from 8525 to Tilt, the CELLULAR adapter for the 8525 is the same as the GPS adapter for Tilt, and the HTC cell connector for tilt is different from that of the 8525. Not only no standardation, but no instructions to keep one from wandering down the obvious but wrong path. Spent more than a year trying to figure out why Yagi antenna, which performed well with the 8525, didn't work on the Tilt. Didn't hurt the GPS unit though which is a miracle. Does anyone know the specs on the TILT Cell antenna connector???
Hi, I'm a new member, but more of a lurker. I originally planned to buy a Hermes but after reading about all the hardware problems I decided to go for the Kaiser. My question is, are there any major problems with the Kaiser? I know of the ImageON driver issues, are there any other hardware or software issues?
I don't think there's any fundamental problem with the hardware. The 3 Mp camera is not great, but what do you expect of a camera on a phone?
There a lot of ROMs, official and cooked, you can choose one that suits you.
Mine works pretty well with the original WM 6.0 ROM or the HTC official 3.02 one. With more recent ROMs or radio firmware I have problems with GPS fix times and access to WiFi routers.
Thanks for the fast reply!
I'm sorry to ask this in the Kaiser forum, but would going for the Hermes be worse than the Kaiser? They're essentially the same, except that I've read of a lot of h/w problems on the Hermes.
Hermes is awful next to the Kaiser. I still have mine here, had to use it while my Kaiser was being repaired a few months ago and it was just a PITA. Slow as hell, deeply embossed and lower quality screen,... But I can't talk of hardware problems with it.
If you get a 2nd hand Kaiser, the important points you need to check is that 3G is working (early units had faulty 3G hardware that would fail after some time, but most should have been warranty-fixed by now), and that the USB port is not broken as some tend to break it by shoving the stylus in it instead of the storage place.
I guess I know which phone I'm going for thanks!
One more question! sorry lol, I know the Kaiser has A-GPS, do you have to pay for it? If I put TomTom on my Kaiser will I have to pay for using the assisted GPS?
Also, is CorePlayer working fine on the Kaiser, mainly with xvid/avi files?
A-GPS aka QuickGPS will want to download a small file off the internet at least once a week, be it through Wifi, Activesync or whatever else is available to get satellite data and allow for shorter times to first fix, that's all. And if you don't want to use it you're not forced to, it will just take a little longer to get a fix.
So nothing to pay, except if you decide to download that little file over GPRS where your data fees would apply.
Coreplayer works fine, I personally reencode my videos in 320x240 divx for viewing with it. Never really tried anything else for video.
Alright, thanks amigo!
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A-GPS aka QuickGPS will want to download a small file off the internet at least once a week, be it through Wifi, Activesync or whatever else is available to get satellite data and allow for shorter times to first fix, that's all. And if you don't want to use it you're not forced to, it will just take a little longer to get a fix.
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AGPS is not the same thing as QuickGPS (though it took me ages to realise).
Quick GPS is what you describe and is generally considered to be worthwhile.
AGPS is similar, but it downloads more specific information which (I believe) is based on which phone masts you're near - and therefore should be even better for getting a good fix. The problems are A - It will cost money if you have to pay for your internet connection and B - apparently (though I've never used it) it will sometimes update the data while you're actually using GPS and as a result lose your fix while you're driving somewhere. A lot of people don't like AGPS at all.
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AGPS is not the same thing as QuickGPS (though it took me ages to realise).
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Well.. it is in some way. The problem is that AGPS can be implemented in different ways up to different extents...
The first thing is what is mentioned above - downloading ephemeris data from the net instead of getting it directly from the satellites, which would require continuous link with each satellite for about 1 minute. First fix time is thus shortened as the data for 1 week is stored locally. This is what QuickGPS and SeaSGEE do.
The usual "Disable AGPS" in KaiserTweak / Advanced Config is a second thing. It switches to a different position calculation algorithm that is supposed to work better in low signal conditions, by extrapolating the movement at the time signal is lost and trying to guesstimate how it could evolve everytime some signal is received. But many people don't like that as it's only giving decent results in certain conditions like driving, and when walking, geocaching etc it does nothing more than giving wrong info.
What you mention by using cell towers and an internet database is also something that can be done under the AGPS naming, but AFAIK it's not implemented on the Kaiser.
It sounds like you know more about it than I do so I'll bow to your greater knowledge
NEW (29/4/09) --> after further investigation and discussion with other kaiser owner affected with same problem, the thing could be more important than expected as many Kaiser could be potentially having the same problem.
The issue is that after going on flight mode the unit can start to have problems to get registered to the phone operator. Sometimes the problem is mitigated temporary by disabling 3G but the problem can persist. The unit is able to see the operators available but not to connect to any of them. Units affected were built between 07/07 and 11/07.
If you are affected please post your release date (DATE: DDMMYY(TBXX)/EU) that you can find on the sticker on the atenna in the back, under the back cover.
If you are not, be aware of the problem as you may start to have it if you go to flight mode or travel abroad.
NO SOLUTION FOR THE TIME BEING, AND IN GENERAL AFFECTED UNITS ARE ALREADY OUT OF THE GUARANTEE PERIOD.
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My TYTN II has more than 1 year.
The problem: Basically it is out of coverage all time, and does not manage to get connected to any network.
It started about 1 year ago. I am base in France and I want to USA. When I arrived to New York it did not work anymore. I thought it could have been the roaming or just that I had changed the SIM card a few weeks before and the operator did something wrong (ORANGE). But the point is that the same SIM was working in my spare nokia and on the other hand an Orange Spain SIM had the same problem.
I spend a few days in USA moving from one state to the other and after 2 or 3 days the phone started to work but with some problems (changing from one operator to another it did work) finally the 4th day it was working.
When I returned to Paris, it did work ok for a while.
Then one day the phone just droped the connection to the operator, and at the same time the Bluetooth link to the BT carkit and the GPS stopped and restarted. Since that moment the phone just did not work anymore (only the telephone).
I open a case to HTC who never replied. On the phone they just say inconsistent things.
The WM6.1 official release came out and I did upgrade it--> still the same. A new ticket open to HTC without replay. I stopped using it for a while.
In summer I went to Spain for vacations and started to play with it again. One day it started to work again without any justificiation.... so I left it like that.
Months latter I got a mail from HTC (really very reactive) but at that point the phone was working since more than 4 months.
By the end of 2008 when I was in Spain and this time using my Orange Spain SIM, I had to replace the SIM. After a few days, and after travelling across Spain, I had again the same problem. And actually the phone did not get any coverage with any of the SIM I use (Orange FR, Orange ES, Movistar...). Little by little it started to work again and it has stay like this for a few months.
In the last few weeks I have been in UK and Italy. Again started to have problems and finally, after a visit to Italy my phone has stop working. It is like that for 2 weeks.
The point is that I have tryed all kind of things:
- force to GSM or let it in auto
- change the UMTS and GSM bands
- different SIM from different operators
- Official WM6.0 and WM6.1 spanish
- finally I started to flash different Radio ROM and also coocked ROM
- when I search manually the operators or I try to fix it manually, I see that the phone is actually capable to see the available networks, but it does not manage to get registered in any.
At the end it is always in with the "!" symbol, saying either that it has no coverage or that the access is refussed.
I have seen that in two occasions I had changed the SIM a few weeks before. Also that the problem has always happened after putting the phone in flight mode (actually I was flying) and landing in a new city or even a new country; except once.
Last point: it is free HTC Spanish version. It is actually the second as the first I had was stollen. With the first I never had problems.
I will end up sending it back to HTC but obviously it will take very very long and meanwhile I will not have the GPS and the rest of the PDA that still work ok.
Any idea?
Thanks
Wow that was a long post, even so, you've left out some important info. Which ROM Radio and SPL versions are on the device now (the wiki explains how to find all this out if needed). Has the device suffered any physical bumps or been used in the rain/got wet? Have you tried cleaning the battery terminals and spring posts with a cotton bud soaked in contact cleaner or IPA? Not sure if the last one will help (especially if there are no battery charge problems) but it may be an intermittant problem and I've found this to be a known issue with the TyTN II. Also, how much more than one year have you had the phone (my TyTN II came with a warranty about 15 months).
Thanks for the info. I have verified all connectors, including battery and SIM.
More over I have 2 batteries and I have done all kind of test with both and with and without power supply.
On the other hand, I have tested all (really all) the RADIO ROM available in the FTP server of xda-developers, plus some more up to the 1.70.18.02 and
1.71.09.01.
Right now I'm running the 1.64.06.04.
In terms of ROM, I have also tested serveral. The last few are:
- offical HTC WM6.1 ESP (BTW with radio 1.65.17.56)
- KaiserESNReconstructedTestFix02
- RUU_Kaiser_SPA_WM6.1.19212.MobileVirtualVista2.21_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_by_ansar
The one I am running right now is:
- KaiserSpanish diamond II
The unit is from nov. 2007, I guess is out of guarantee. On top it was a gift...
But this is not the issue, the problem is actually that I guess that HTC will take several weeks to repare or replace it, and I can not live without the PDA part. I am considering to buy a second hand unit and then we will see....
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Thanks for the info. I have verified all connectors, including battery and SIM.
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How? The mark one eyeball won't pick up a thin film of grease which may still be enough to pose occasional connection problems. The best bet is simply to clean it as described (being careful not to spray the device directly to ensure the moisture indicators aren't triggered).
More over I have 2 batteries and I have done all kind of test with both and with and without power supply.
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I have 3 batteries (original and 2 spares) and have had battery terminal problems in the past. I think that all those battery changes may exacerbate the problem. Cleaning as described from time to time, has prevented any recurrence.
In terms of ROM ..... The one I am running right now is:
- KaiserSpanish diamond II
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You could try reviewing the ROM thread for that ROM but if the problem occurred the same with other ROMs, that's unlikely to be the cause.
The unit is from nov. 2007, I guess is out of guarantee. On top it was a gift...
But this is not the issue, the problem is actually that I guess that HTC will take several weeks to repare or replace it, and I can not live without the PDA part. I am considering to buy a second hand unit and then we will see....
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Still a few outstanding questions, has it been subjected to anything you may think could cause such problems such as being dropped, shocked or soaked? Also what SPL does it have on it and have you tried reflashing the SPL version (as everything else has already been flashed many times)? I'm thinking this is more likely a hardware defect but you may as well take every step you can to rule out other problems before going down the path of employing specialists to take a look at it.
If you do revert it to a UK Orange standard setup and send it off to HTC in Milton Keynes for repair, you may be surprised at how quickly they can turn around such a job. Although the only service I've used from them was a free ROM reversion while under warranty, after booking my device in over the phone in advance, I dropped it off in the morning of the agreed day and it was ready when I picked it up last thing the same day so the repair centre can really be very efficient (don't ask me about the call centre though ). There's no harm in enquiring with them first but I do suggest you revert everything back to 'as supplied' spec first (even though there's virtually no chance it'll be fixed for free).
Wow that is totally crazy. Good luck with that.
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How? The mark one eyeball won't pick up a thin film of grease which may still be enough to pose occasional connection problems. The best bet is simply to clean it as described (being careful not to spray the device directly to ensure the moisture indicators aren't triggered).
I have 3 batteries (original and 2 spares) and have had battery terminal problems in the past. I think that all those battery changes may exacerbate the problem. Cleaning as described from time to time, has prevented any recurrence.
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I will clean it again just to be sure....
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You could try reviewing the ROM thread for that ROM but if the problem occurred the same with other ROMs, that's unlikely to be the cause.
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I have gone through the forum to find another similar cases, but no luck. I agree with you that it is very unlikely that it is the ROM, as it happened with 5 different ROMs, including official WM6 and WM6.1.
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Still a few outstanding questions, has it been subjected to anything you may think could cause such problems such as being dropped, shocked or soaked? Also what SPL does it have on it and have you tried reflashing the SPL version (as everything else has already been flashed many times)? I'm thinking this is more likely a hardware defect but you may as well take every step you can to rule out other problems before going down the path of employing specialists to take a look at it.
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A few drops in 1 year an a half, this is almost unavoidable. But not a big crash, and in any case it never happened just before the problem. The only real correlations I've noticed are:
- in tow occations it happened after my operator replaced the SIM
- in all cases but one, I had problems when roaming or when coming back from abroad
I did not mention it but I reflashed the SPL a few times.... the same. I have also changed the Network Wizard and run it several times (there are some problems in the forum where people can not get access to some of the operator's services). Nothing changed
There is another point, when I go to the configuration of the Phone, I can list the available networks, but the issue is that it does not get registered to any of them. It may even be a problem with the operator an not the phone itself.
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If you do revert it to a UK Orange standard setup and send it off to HTC in Milton Keynes for repair, you may be surprised at how quickly they can turn around such a job. Although the only service I've used from them was a free ROM reversion while under warranty, after booking my device in over the phone in advance, I dropped it off in the morning of the agreed day and it was ready when I picked it up last thing the same day so the repair centre can really be very efficient (don't ask me about the call centre though ). There's no harm in enquiring with them first but I do suggest you revert everything back to 'as supplied' spec first (even though there's virtually no chance it'll be fixed for free).
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That is a good point. As I have to travel to UK from time to time I may consider it as an option, but as you say, I want to try all possibilities before.
Thanks again, and thanks to all other people that have any suggestion.
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The only real correlations I've noticed are:
- in tow occations it happened after my operator replaced the SIM
- in all cases but one, I had problems when roaming or when coming back from abroad
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You did mention sometimes it refuses to be registered on the correct network. If you use your secondary phone to call the operator, perhaps they can tell from their side why registration is being refused? I assume the SPL version you are using is fully compatible with the ROMs you are using. Other than that it's time to contact the repair centre and if you're now back in France then the HTC website (or Orange in France) should provide details of closer, more convenient repair centres. Good luck.
Just got a second Kaiser (2nd hand) and started to swap some parts between both. I found out that the problem is in the motherboard.
It may be the board or, as said before, a problem with the network operator.
I continue to check. BTW, any tip is welcome.
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Just got a second Kaiser (2nd hand) and started to swap some parts between both. I found out that the problem is in the motherboard.
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By that if you mean it's hardware related fair enough but remember there are lots of bits of hardware attached to the mainboard which are easily and relatively cheaply replaceable (eg the sim holder) so a skilled repairer should be able to diagnose exactly where the fault lies.
It may be the board or, as said before, a problem with the network operator.
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Well thats a very important distinction to make. Option 1 may be uneconomic to repair where as option 2 would be free - don't you think you should get a definitive response from your network provider?
I continue to check. BTW, any tip is welcome.
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Get a definitive response from the network provider and then if reqd from an HTC repair centre (as suggested in my last post). In the meantime you can carry on as normal using the 'good' Kaiser.
Thansk.
If you have seen the rips of the Kaiser, it is not so easy to repair what is suppose to be faulty.
When you open it, you take out some parts:
- Antenna
- Speaker
- the roller control on the left side
Then you can remove the main card by disconnecting two flex cables.
When you have done this, your unit becomes two main parts:
- the main body that is completely ripped off
- the other half that contains the LCD, keyb, tilt mechanism, SIM reader, SD reader
The mothercard is actually monolitic, and most of the components are shilded with a methalic case solded to the board. There you have memory, processor, communication chipset...
I am currently using the "new" board on the old phone. Old the rest of the components are from the old one (including antenna, speaker....) and it works, so the fault is in the mother card.
Then when I use the old card with the "new" phone I have the same problem. I have a good and a bad one. Considering that I have no guarantee (and if I had, after all this manipulations, I have lost it for sure), I will first check with Orange. It is not very likely that it has been an operator problem as I have tried with many SIM from different operators and in different countries.
At this point is not so bad as I can play with the spare unit, test new ROM and SW, etc... before running it in the operational one. I also have spare parts in case that I broke something else (LCD...). I am even considering to buy another in ebay, something broken but with the mother card still running, so I can actually have two fully operational.
Pop Q. here, does it work 102% except your connection issues? Does it lag, screen freeze or acting strange in any other way? If this is a hard problem I would suspect SPL. What SPL version are you on now?What other have you tried and with which rom? Also I dont mind the lengt of this tread, but it takes a bit more time when its written in "story" mode
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If this is a hard problem I would suspect SPL. What SPL version are you on now?
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That must be about the 4th or 5th time SPL has been mentioned in this thread and nowhere has pepesr answered - very annoying but you know what they say about leading a horse to water....
Also I dont mind the lengt of this tread, but it takes a bit more time when its written in "story" mode
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Especially when relevant questions from earlier on in the thread (and reminders/suggestions to clean terminals) are being ignored/not reported back on - maybe pepesr may actually listen this time and answer all outstanding q's/report what has actually been done?[/grouch mode]
Thanks again for your help.
Don't get disapointed, I have gone through all the story because the problem is quite weird and this is maybe the only way not to miss an important detail.
As said twice before, answering to the questions, I have traid different SPL and ROMs. To be more precise:
- The problem first started with original HTC SW set up., long time ago.
- I only started to play with different SPL a few weeks ago, and because I wanted to test different radios as the problem is on the phone part.
- I have tried SPLs 1.93, 1.56, 3.28. For sure 1 or 2 more but I don't have any record. Currently running 3.28
- I have installed radios:
- 1.27.11.31
- 1.27.12.11
- 1.27.12.17
- 1.27.12.32
- 1.27.14.09
- 1.27.15.32
- 1.58.26.20
- 1.64.06.04 --> currently running
- 1.64.08.21
- 1.70.18.02
- 1.71.09.01
- I have tried ROMs:
- official HTC WM6 spanish
- official HTC WM6.1 Spanish
- Mobile Virtual Vista 2.21/2.20 D3D WM6.1 5.2.19212.1.0.3
- Mobile Virtual Vista 2.10/2.00 WM6.1 5.2.19212.1.0.3gullum
- Throttle Diamond I multi language (updated) --> currently running
Do not hesitate to ask further details.
Clean the contacts on the sim slot and the card itself?
OOPS I see that you did.
Anyway, perhaps the sim card connection to the motherboard is flaky
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Clean the contacts on the sim slot and the card itself?
OOPS I see that you did.
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You were right the first time. 'Verified' is not the same as cleaned correctly and thoroughly, just as saying it will be done doesn't mean it has been done (correctly and thoroughly). It's not that I'm simply dissapointed. I am annoyed at being given the run-around when it comes to getting concise answers and actions quickly.
I note that we finally have the CURRENT full ROM/Radio/SPL details when picked from a list of other things we didn't ask for (although still no word on whether the actual terminal/connector cleaning has yet taken place for sim and battery and if it was done correctly and thoroughly using the correct materials). I don't know if they are all fully compatible with each other, especially that radio (and to be honest, I can't be bothered checking the custom ROM thread to find out). To say all combinations have been tried is little use because that could mean mixing incompatible items together with a net result of problems. It's akin to saying I've verified all the fluid levels under a car bonnet by filling the radiator with oil, brake fluid reserviour with antifreeze and water and the engine with brake fluid.
I will not be hesitating to ask further details from pepesr (and pepesr_1 for that matter...), I simply won't. The problem is not that not enough words are provided in a response, it's that listening and acting on clear guidance is not occurring, not something I know how to change in others apart from by showing them the net effect.
In the words of ChumleyEX, the situation is 'crazy'!
As many times in the forum, your answers, Flying Kiwi, are starting to be agressive and useless.
Contacts have been very well cleaned (correctly and thoroughly).
More over, the SIM connectors are in the other half of the unit that works with the new motherboard.
Asuming by default that I am so incompetent and that I have not gone through all this forum to check all this compatibilities is quite arrogant.
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I continue to thanks all other people that has really the intention to help.
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Pop Q. here, does it work 102% except your connection issues? Does it lag, screen freeze or acting strange in any other way? If this is a hard problem I would suspect SPL. What SPL version are you on now?What other have you tried and with which rom? Also I dont mind the lengt of this tread, but it takes a bit more time when its written in "story" mode
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Yes, it does work 102% for the rest. No other problems at all. And you can be sure I really strees it.
I have the same problem as pepesr_1's. 100% same!
I use origine ROM on my phone, from SPL, ROM & Radio.
vuquan said:
I have the same problem as pepesr_1's. 100% same!
I use origine ROM on my phone, from SPL, ROM & Radio.
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Hi,
Good to see that I am not the only one, this could give us a change to find a solution.
Could you check in the back the sticker on the antenna with the date and version. Mine is: 011107(TB02)/EU.
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Hi,
Good to see that I am not the only one, this could give us a change to find a solution.
Could you check in the back the sticker on the antenna with the date and version. Mine is: 011107(TB02)/EU.
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I haven't check yet. But I think it's same. I bought it at 01/2008 as brandnew phone.
2 week ago, I take it to a service shop to re-weld the SIM tray pins. At that time, the phone is good. After one day, it became fault as the time before welding.
More information:
- When it good, the signal can be found when the Windows starting (the LED is blink) with any SIM.
- When it fault, with usable SIMs, the signal can be found after Windows started some minutes. With un-usable SIMs, the phone says: No SIM.
- All Sims above are good SIM (tested on other phone)
Sorry for my bad English.
Hello, my fellow WM and Xperia X1 users! (Yes, cracking hard but still rocking).
I have a question. Recently I discovered extra payments had to be made on my Vodafone bills. It was for data usage, an MB here and there made up for quite a bit of money. Yes, I'm a student so that's the main reason why I'm worrying about it
The second reason... With WM 6.5.3 installed I immediately noticed my phone had the *bad* habit to throw itself onboard the internet train every time I used something with data involved. YouTube, e-mail, etc. I can imagine, the phone explained this with using 3G (sorry, I'm not so into the terminology) to back up my WiFi. I picked this phone with care because it had WiFi and aGPS and I managed to lay my hands on a cheap one. It was a real steal then Now I know better with Crackgate etc but okay, back ontopic...
I took it for granted that the first month I would have extra costs, trying to kill the Data Connection it put up everytime. Immediately went searching for a program or app able to manage or kill internet for me in the case the phone wanted it. The Interwebz came up with NoData, the Holy Grail and solution to everything including HIV! A dream of a piece of software and after installation it was pretty much impossible to reach the internet again without having WiFi on at my home network.
Now the bills suddenly came up with cash drawals for my phone randomly hooking up to the Net in the Netherlands. Strange. I went indepth and looked for clues. The PDF files on My Vodafone revealed the X1 with pretty rhythmic intervals (20 minutes exactly, 15 minutes, 20, 20, 15, etc) went on to connect to the network, using a bit of data and putting me almost into the red digits. I truly didn't want that, when I was awake it managed to do that quite a few times but it continued in the night. Really strange behaviour.
Now I called Vodafone about it, they say it's the phone randomly going on trying to hook up. When I notified em about extra software taking care of that, I was almost nailed to the wall and told in a not-nice way they had no affiliations or 'whatever' (quote) to those pieces of software and that I had to blame the creator for it.
Okay, it was nice for them to come up with the idea of complaining and making a deal out of it with sharing costs when I could prove I hadn't touched my phone (easy with those rhythmic logs) but it's about the bad aftertaste... Wasn't NoData meant to break the interwebz on my phone entirely? I am towards the opinion VFs story is bull**** by the way, I'd like to hear your opinion on this one though!
Edit: I posted this thread in X1 General because of the supposed relevance of the phone itself. It might be an issue over there, not with NoData.
Jejking said:
Hello, my fellow WM and Xperia X1 users! (Yes, cracking hard but still rocking).
I have a question. Recently I discovered extra payments had to be made on my Vodafone bills. It was for data usage, an MB here and there made up for quite a bit of money. Yes, I'm a student so that's the main reason why I'm worrying about it
The second reason... With WM 6.5.3 installed I immediately noticed my phone had the *bad* habit to throw itself onboard the internet train every time I used something with data involved. YouTube, e-mail, etc. I can imagine, the phone explained this with using 3G (sorry, I'm not so into the terminology) to back up my WiFi. I picked this phone with care because it had WiFi and aGPS and I managed to lay my hands on a cheap one. It was a real steal then Now I know better with Crackgate etc but okay, back ontopic...
I took it for granted that the first month I would have extra costs, trying to kill the Data Connection it put up everytime. Immediately went searching for a program or app able to manage or kill internet for me in the case the phone wanted it. The Interwebz came up with NoData, the Holy Grail and solution to everything including HIV! A dream of a piece of software and after installation it was pretty much impossible to reach the internet again without having WiFi on at my home network.
Now the bills suddenly came up with cash drawals for my phone randomly hooking up to the Net in the Netherlands. Strange. I went indepth and looked for clues. The PDF files on My Vodafone revealed the X1 with pretty rhythmic intervals (20 minutes exactly, 15 minutes, 20, 20, 15, etc) went on to connect to the network, using a bit of data and putting me almost into the red digits. I truly didn't want that, when I was awake it managed to do that quite a few times but it continued in the night. Really strange behaviour.
Now I called Vodafone about it, they say it's the phone randomly going on trying to hook up. When I notified em about extra software taking care of that, I was almost nailed to the wall and told in a not-nice way they had no affiliations or 'whatever' (quote) to those pieces of software and that I had to blame the creator for it.
Okay, it was nice for them to come up with the idea of complaining and making a deal out of it with sharing costs when I could prove I hadn't touched my phone (easy with those rhythmic logs) but it's about the bad aftertaste... Wasn't NoData meant to break the interwebz on my phone entirely? I am towards the opinion VFs story is bull**** by the way, I'd like to hear your opinion on this one though!
Edit: I posted this thread in X1 General because of the supposed relevance of the phone itself. It might be an issue over there, not with NoData.
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First I would try to get in touch with the creator of NoData app.
Second, if you can shut down your phone, remove the batteries for 24-48 hours. Then call Vodafone and see if you have any charges.
Also can you see where are the connection made (like to what site)?
If you can see where is it trying to connect, it would be easier to narrow down the application and either disable it or remove.