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I use my Diamond as an MP3 player way more than a phone. I also use a Sony Ericsson Bluetooth Headset HBH-DS970 all the time. But very often I'll be listening when boom! The sound stops for some unknown reason. Many times it's a brief second or two and it starts again. Other times I reach into my pocket and hit the power button and poof, it starts again. Annoyed I put it back in my pocket.
Then sometimes it doesn't come back to life. Of course, I'm driving at the time and have to fiddle with the phone and drive, which is very dangerous.
Very often the bluetooth just drops. I have to go in, hit the power button, slide to unlock, Start: Settings: Connections: Bluetooth: Mode and I see the Turn on Bluetooth and Make this device visible to other devices toggled off even though I can see the little Bluetooth icon in the title bar is still on! I toggle on these and hit OK. Often I need to power off and back on my HBH-DS970 to re-establish the Bluetooth connection. Now the HTC Touch Diamond does not play a sound when the bluetooth establishes itself like my old PPC-6700 so I just guess and hit play on the HBH-DS970. Sometimes the I have the Wireless stereo portion working but the AVRCP is not working so play on the HBH-DS970 doesn't work and I have to hit play on the HTC Touch Diamond (Sprint Music). Later I'll find that Wireless stereo is working but Hands Free is disabled.
So why does this happen? Why does the Bluetooth drop at all? Is there any better Bluetooth stacks that have less bugs that I can install. I recall tell about something like a Widecom Bluetooth stack or whatever. Is that any better?
Recently I purchased a Motorola Rokr unit which is a unit for your car that receives a Bluetooth signal and rebroadcasts it to FM for your car stereo. It works great but the having to transfer Bluetooth pairing from my headset to the Rokr when I get in the car never goes smoothly. I have to remember to pause the program, stop the Bluetooth going to the headset, turn on the Rokr, it attempts to connect to the phone and it cannot if the phone is talking to the headset via Bluetooth. Why's that an issue? Why can't the Bluetooth talk to more than one device at the same time?!? I mean what if I want the Bluetooth music or program to go to two headsets simultaneously or to the headset and the Rokr? Shouldn't that be my choice.
Next I need to tell the Rokr to transmit on FM and establish that connection. Then I try to hit the pause/play button on the Rokr and often again, the Wireless is paired up to the Rokr but the Hands Free isn't. Get out the phone, power button, slide to unlock, Start: Settings: etc. etc. - what a pain.
Then I'll be driving and listening and life is good when suddenly again, the connection drops. The Rokr cutely has a female voice that comes on through the radio saying "Connection dropped". Yeah I know - and I'm not impressed!
Repeat procedure in reverse when leaving the car transferring the Bluetooth signal from the Rokr -> HBH-DS970.
LIFE SHOULD NOT BE THIS DIFFICULT!!!
So I ask:
. Is there a better, more reliable Bluetooth stack I can install?
. If not, are there some registry settings that I can tweak to make Bluetooth more reliable? I have used the Advanced Configuration tool and saw some settings about Bluetooth sound quality but I don't know if upping th quality had lessoned the reliability...
. What are some of the reasons that a Bluetooth connection will drop? I mean it's not like I've walked outside of its broadcast range - hell I'm still in the car!
. Finally, is there anything I can do to lesson the amount of short micro drops of 1/2 - 1 second? It's a little annoying when you're grooving to a tune and that happens.
Thanks.
Try this for some answers http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432072
OT, can you record sound via BT headset's microphone? Not being able to do that annoys me much and still haven't got any answers from anybody.
I use the Bluetooth with phone calls. With Vito's Audio Notes I can record phone calls and hear both me and the caller in the recording - through the Bluetooth. I see Vito also has a "finger friendly" recorder but I'm not interested in that. However it seems clear the audio path from Bluetooth mic to recording can work.
Thanks for the pointer to that thread however the concern there is about Bluetooth quality not Bluetooth reliabiliy. Personally my Bluetooth quality is just fine - when the Bluetooth remains connected that is! I'm puzzled why you would have read my post and thought I wanted better Bluetooth quality?
I have been streaming audio since i got my HTC Wizard - 2 phones ago..
Back then, i was running WM5 and it had notoriously bad BT stack (really bad quality of A2DP audio). No tweak could eliminate the horrible high-pitched noise.
Fed up with the terrible sound, i tried the Widcomm stack.
This dramatically improved audio quality, but the Widcomm stack had other problems; i was not able to use any of my other BT devices. (back then i had a seperate GPS device and a Jabra wireless earpiece).
Eventually i managed to have both BT stacks installed, so i could choose which stack to start, depending on what i was going to use.
However, this was still far from perfect, because i wanted to be able to use my earpiece, use Tom Tom and listen to music at the same time (in my car).
The solution came (for me) with WM6, it had a really improved BT stack, the A2DP audio sounded much better.
For other applications the Microsoft stack worked well from the beginning.
When i just started using WM6 it did need some (registry) tweaking to overcome the problem of the "skipping" that sometimes occurred (those skips were not due to disconnection problems, it was just a matter of figuring out the highest bitrate the device could handle! (=>higher bitrate = better sound, more bandwidth, higher chance of music "skipping", =>lower bitrate = more stabile connection (less "skips", at the price of lowering the audio quality)).
Since my last phone (HTC touch) i did not even need to apply that tweak anymore, standard settings worked fine for me (acceptible audio quality, no 'skipping' problem).
Today i have a HTC Diamond, and i use a MBR-100 to stream audio to, i hook this device up to my car stereo (in fact, i have two, so i never run out of battery power).
I use my Jabra earpiece simultaneously.
I have no complaints whatsoever.
So to answer some of your questions, based on my own findings :
- The WM6 BT stack is capable of handling multiple connections at the same time (in my case, A2DP, remote GPS and Jabra earpiece)
- I never had a disconnect from my MBR-100 (which is also from sony Ericsson) without reason.
- I recently discovered,i can activate A2DP just by pressing the button on the MBR-100. Before, i always activated the connection by going to => settings=> Bluetooth etc. Maybe you have a button that does that on your headset? If so, it will at least save you the trouble setting up the connection again on your Diamond...
Finally, i don't know which ROM you are using, but the one i'm running now is the one from the official HTC website, "_HTC Touch Diamond_QMR_RUU_Diamond_HTC_NLD_1.93.404.1_Radio_Signed_Diamond_52.29.25.12_1.00.25.05_Ship.exe".
One more thing :
- It is not possible to stream A2DP to more than one device at the time.
However, i found a nice little program to switch the A2DP stream between paired BT devices in reach.
It can also toggle the sound (and mic) from a phone call between my earpiece and the internal speaker.
Maybe it is useful for you as well : LINK
Copy .exe to the phone and execute there (when you have a A2DP connection running).
PaWs said:
OT, can you record sound via BT headset's microphone? Not being able to do that annoys me much and still haven't got any answers from anybody.
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After toggling the sound by means of the program i mentioned in my previous post (This one) it definately records sound trough the earpiece (it's a Jabra BT350).
Thoroughly tested, 100% sure.
TheMusicMaster said:
I have been streaming audio since i got my HTC Wizard - 2 phones ago..
Back then, i was running WM5 and it had notoriously bad BT stack (really bad quality of A2DP audio). No tweak could eliminate the horrible high-pitched noise.
Fed up with the terrible sound, i tried the Widcomm stack.
This dramatically improved audio quality, but the Widcomm stack had other problems; i was not able to use any of my other BT devices. (back then i had a seperate GPS device and a Jabra wireless earpiece).
Eventually i managed to have both BT stacks installed, so i could choose which stack to start, depending on what i was going to use.
However, this was still far from perfect, because i wanted to be able to use my earpiece, use Tom Tom and listen to music at the same time (in my car).
The solution came (for me) with WM6, it had a really improved BT stack, the A2DP audio sounded much better.
For other applications the Microsoft stack worked well from the beginning.
When i just started using WM6 it did need some (registry) tweaking to overcome the problem of the "skipping" that sometimes occurred (those skips were not due to disconnection problems, it was just a matter of figuring out the highest bitrate the device could handle! (=>higher bitrate = better sound, more bandwidth, higher chance of music "skipping", =>lower bitrate = more stabile connection (less "skips", at the price of lowering the audio quality)).
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Would you happen to recall what those registry tweaks were? Based on your above comments I think the best I can do is to lower the bit rates and bandwidth. Honestly most of my listening is talk radio and much less music. Even so, I'm older and I can't tell as much about the lose of highs, etc...
I have toned down things in Advanced Configuration Tools - Bluetooth section hoping that this increases reliability.
What I don't understand is why is this apparently so hard to get right? I mean this is not rocket science here! It's merely a connection that is radio based? Can't people code the software correctly! Geeze!
Since my last phone (HTC touch) i did not even need to apply that tweak anymore, standard settings worked fine for me (acceptible audio quality, no 'skipping' problem).
Today i have a HTC Diamond, and i use a MBR-100 to stream audio to, i hook this device up to my car stereo (in fact, i have two, so i never run out of battery power).
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My car doesn't have an audio in, nor does it have Bluetooth (they're trying to sell you the OnStar crap).
I use my Jabra earpiece simultaneously.
I have no complaints whatsoever.
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I don't have any earpieces. I don't know why I need an earpiece to stick in one year and hear things in mono with one ear when I already have a stereo head set that does this in both ears.
So to answer some of your questions, based on my own findings :
- The WM6 BT stack is capable of handling multiple connections at the same time (in my case, A2DP, remote GPS and Jabra earpiece)
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Later on you correct yourself saying you can't do two A2DP's at the same time. That was specifically what I was asking about - a car A2DP and my headset A2DP (Or say two people with the same A2DP headsets, etc). I don't understand why this is limited. It seems artificial.
- I never had a disconnect from my MBR-100 (which is also from sony Ericsson) without reason.
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What would be a valid reason for disconnection?
- I recently discovered,i can activate A2DP just by pressing the button on the MBR-100. Before, i always activated the connection by going to => settings=> Bluetooth etc. Maybe you have a button that does that on your headset? If so, it will at least save you the trouble setting up the connection again on your Diamond...
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The Rokr has essentially 4 buttons. Power, FM selector, Call pickup and Pause/Play. There are also some combinations. The FM Selector is simply a button to push where the Rokr scans the stations and tells you which station to set your FM radio to. Power is for power, naturally. The Call pickup and Pause/Play are as their names suggest. Pause/Play pauses or plays the media player on the other end of the Bluetooth (through AVRCP) and Call pickup picks up an incoming call. Both of these buttons attempt to talk to the remote Bluetooth device if the connection is not currently established. However since most of the time the problem is that the Bluetooth dropped it's connection (necessitating having to go throught Start: Settings: Bluetooth: Mode: Turn Bluetooth on). Also, turning off the power and turning it back on causes it to try to pair up again, which sometimes work. However, if you currently have it broadcasting to your FM radio and your radio turned up, powering it off kills that connection causing loud static to come out of your radio until you power it back up and re-establish the FM broadcast portion.
I can see if I can screen capture my HTC Touch Diamond with the Bluetooth off in the Bluetooth settings but the Bluetooth indicator actually on in the title bar. Weird state! You should never be in that state with one part saying Bluetooth is on and the other saying Bluetooth is not on!
Finally, i don't know which ROM you are using, but the one i'm running now is the one from the official HTC website, "_HTC Touch Diamond_QMR_RUU_Diamond_HTC_NLD_1.93.404.1_Radio_Signed_Diamond_52.29.25.12_1.00.25.05_Ship.exe".
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I'm using whatever came on my Sprint version of the HTC Touch Diamond.
Do you know of a Widcomm stack for the HTC Touch Diamond? How about a copy of the MS Bluetooth stack? I did turn down the bandwidth/bitrates and hopefully that'll make it more reliable. However it would be nice to have those Bluetooth stacks available to install and play with.
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One more thing :
- It is not possible to stream A2DP to more than one device at the time.
However, i found a nice little program to switch the A2DP stream between paired BT devices in reach.
It can also toggle the sound (and mic) from a phone call between my earpiece and the internal speaker.
Maybe it is useful for you as well : LINK
Copy .exe to the phone and execute there (when you have a A2DP connection running).
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I had seen this program before. Perhaps you can explain how it's supposed to work. Because whenever I run it it does nothing.
I have two HBH-DS970's. I pair them both up to the phone. I can play music but only through one of them. When I run the Bluetooth toggle thing it first plays in the current HBH-DS970 but pretty much out of phase (sounds tinny). If I run the BT Toggle again it briefly (for 1/2 a second) plays on the speaker phone then plays in the same HBH-DS970 but in phase (full bass). The toggle toggles between these two in phase/out of phase sounds with a brief blast on the speaker phone but only in one of the HBH-DS970.
If I power off the HBH-DS970 and establish Bluetooth connections with the other HBH-DS970 and I do the BT Toggle thing again the same thing happens with the second HBH-DS970. It does not transfer the BT from one HBH-DS970 to the other! I suspect it wouldn't transfer the BT from an HBH-DS970 to the Rokr either.
I don't get it! What's this BT Toggle for?
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Would you happen to recall what those registry tweaks were? Based on your above comments I think the best I can do is to lower the bit rates and bandwidth.
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You're correct. They are the same tweaks that are now provided in the advanced configuration tool. Back then, when i just had my Wizard i did not have this tool and i had to go into the registry to change the settings manually (they can be found under \HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\A2DP\Settings).
The most important one is BitPool, i use 58 for the quality of the audio, but since you mentioned you use it to talk radio and not so much listening to music you can set it to 30. You should not experience any buffering skips then.
Then you have MaxSupportedBitPool, which you can delete. I played with changing the settings here but no major effect.
Finally, there is UseJointStereo, to have stereo set it to 1. In the older WM6 BT stacks when set to 0, it would reduce the hissing noise but the audio would be mono.
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I don't have any earpieces. I don't know why I need an earpiece to stick in one year and hear things in mono with one ear when I already have a stereo head set that does this in both ears.
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I only use the earpiece to make calls while driving, not to listen to music..
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Later on you correct yourself saying you can't do two A2DP's at the same time. That was specifically what I was asking about - a car A2DP and my headset A2DP (Or say two people with the same A2DP headsets, etc). I don't understand why this is limited. It seems artificial.
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My MBR-100 uses A2DP, my earpiece HFP. That's why i'm able to use both at the same time. However, you can't use A2DP 2x simultaniously. I was just pointing out that the BT stack of WM6 is capable of using different profiles simultaniously. If your Rokr and your Sony headset use different profiles, you could have used the small BT toggle program to switch easily..
But even if they use different profiles, you can't use the audio output twice at the same time. You can only toggle to wich profile it redirects.
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What would be a valid reason for disconnection?
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The only thing i can think of, is when the two are too far apart from each other. I did not have any strange disconnects so i don't have the same experience.
You mentioned you are still running the original ROM, and if you have the time it is not a bad idea to upgrade it. I know that in the beginning of WM6 A2DP did not work as well as it does today (i had to tweak then, now it works well with default settings). Also because you mentioned your BT behaves irratically.
The process of upgrading is relatively easy and you will gain a performance boost as well.
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Do you know of a Widcomm stack for the HTC Touch Diamond? How about a copy of the MS Bluetooth stack? I did turn down the bandwidth/bitrates and hopefully that'll make it more reliable. However it would be nice to have those Bluetooth stacks available to install and play with.
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Since i had my Diamond i never had problems with BT so i didn't search for that. I did save some of the stacks i experimented with when i had my Wizard, but i dont know if they will work on te Diamond... If you can't find anything on this forum, let me know and i will post the cab's for you.
But again, i don't know if they will work on te Diamond!v
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I had seen this program before. Perhaps you can explain how it's supposed to work.
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I suspect it wouldn't transfer the BT from an HBH-DS970 to the Rokr either.
I don't get it! What's this BT Toggle for?
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The BT toggle app does nothing more than redirect the audio to the next available (connected) device. I use it switch to earpiece, when i answered the phone with the buttons on the Diamond (when i answer calls with the button on the earpiece, it does that automatically).
When listening to music, i can switch the audio between the earpiece and the car stereo.
So i figured, maybe you could use it in the same way, when you walk to the car enjoy the music trough your headset, and when you are in your car, click whatever button it is on your Rokr that activates the connection and simply click the icon to change the audio from your headset to the Rokr.
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After reading your story about your Rokr again, i begin to believe there is something wrong with the BT portion in your Diamond (connection dropping, having different icons say different things about BT state). Your Rokr wants to make the connection by pressing the button, and that is how easy it should be.
That's how it works for me. I would recommend upgrading to the latest ROM, i downloaded it from the official HTC website.
I mentioned the exact filename with version number a few posts ago.
That way, you will be sure that software (BT stack) is o.k., i can confirm that in my case it does what it is supposed to...
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I only use the earpiece to make calls while driving, not to listen to music..
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But my point is that the HBH-DS970 can do both. IOW while listening to music (or talk radio), if a call comes in then you simply hit the little call switch on the mic and the music stops and you answer the phone. Talk on the call and listen in both ears then hit the little call switch on the mic and wham you're back to your music or program material. It's really quite cool! When it works that is! Or, if you weren't listening to music and a call comes in simply put the earbuds in (they conveniently fall along the necklace of the HBH-DS970) and talk. IOW, given this, what would I need or want a mono earpiece that just answers calls when this will do both?
My MBR-100 uses A2DP, my earpiece HFP. That's why i'm able to use both at the same time. However, you can't use A2DP 2x simultaniously. I was just pointing out that the BT stack of WM6 is capable of using different profiles simultaniously. If your Rokr and your Sony headset use different profiles, you could have used the small BT toggle program to switch easily..
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Define "different profiles" in this context...
But even if they use different profiles, you can't use the audio output twice at the same time. You can only toggle to wich profile it redirects.
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That may be what the BT Toggle does and it may be that you cannot use two A2DP stereo outputs at the same time. What I'm asking is "Why not? Why this seemingly artificial limitation? Is is security concern? Did nobody think anybody might want to do this? Is it a hardware limitation? Is it a Bluetooth 2.x limitation?". It just seems silly to me to put a limitation like this for seemingly no particular reason. Ya know some people might want to actually share their music in like real time!
You mentioned you are still running the original ROM, and if you have the time it is not a bad idea to upgrade it. I know that in the beginning of WM6 A2DP did not work as well as it does today (i had to tweak then, now it works well with default settings). Also because you mentioned your BT behaves irratically.
The process of upgrading is relatively easy and you will gain a performance boost as well.
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I've done some ROM updates back with the old PPC-6700. Yes there were better but they also weren't supported. I'm with (crappy) Sprint but I think all carriers shy away from you burning in a new ROM on them. They only support you not touching anything like that. In fact, IIRC the original Sprint ROM for the PPC-6700 didn't even support stereo Bluetooth at all! It was only after installing the Widcomm stack that I was able to get stereo BT working!
And that's part of the scary part for me. Originally, the first BT stack I installed worked fairly well with MS Voice Command actually working and when a call came in while I was listening to music, it would properly pause the music, answer the phone then return to the music. But that lasted only a short time. For most of my 2 years with that phone the BT would not stop the music to answer the phone.
The current Sprint derived HTC Touch Diamond ROM works WRT the BT behaving properly for stuff like that. The only real problem I'm having is with the dropping of the connection. So if I go to a new ROM and that breaks... well I don't want that happening. Perhaps if you could point me to the original Sprint ROM so I can get back to where I'm currently at I would venture into newer ROMs.
But another thing that would make me go for the new ROMs is if I could get rid of the god awful Sprint Music Player (SMP or actually the HTC Audio Manager and its Today plugin)! This thing sucks! I usually use Pocket Player however the god damned SMP steals the AVRCP controls such that Pocket Player cannot get them. So I can't use Pocket Player and then have the Play/Pause button on my HBH-DS970 play or pause the SMP! You end up having two audio streams playing at the same time and the pause button does not pause Pocket Player! If there's a ROM out there that removes the silly SMP then I'm all ears!
Since i had my Diamond i never had problems with BT so i didn't search for that. I did save some of the stacks i experimented with when i had my Wizard, but i dont know if they will work on te Diamond... If you can't find anything on this forum, let me know and i will post the cab's for you.
But again, i don't know if they will work on te Diamond!v
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I'm a little leary replacing the BT stack that's currently working pretty good (aside from the dropping problem) unless I can assure myself that I can re-install it if the new one doesn't work.
Oh and let me say MusicMaster, you've been very helpful so far. Thanks.
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The BT toggle app does nothing more than redirect the audio to the next available (connected) device. I use it switch to earpiece, when i answered the phone with the buttons on the Diamond (when i answer calls with the button on the earpiece, it does that automatically).
When listening to music, i can switch the audio between the earpiece and the car stereo.
So i figured, maybe you could use it in the same way, when you walk to the car enjoy the music trough your headset, and when you are in your car, click whatever button it is on your Rokr that activates the connection and simply click the icon to change the audio from your headset to the Rokr.
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I don't think this will work this way for me. From what I could see the Rokr will not pick up the BT from the HBH-DS970 until and unless I power off the HBH-DS970. Just like my second HBH-DS970 could not get the BT passed to it until the first HBH-DS970 was powered off. But I'll go and check this out...
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After reading your story about your Rokr again, i begin to believe there is something wrong with the BT portion in your Diamond (connection dropping, having different icons say different things about BT state). Your Rokr wants to make the connection by pressing the button, and that is how easy it should be.
That's how it works for me. I would recommend upgrading to the latest ROM, i downloaded it from the official HTC website.
I mentioned the exact filename with version number a few posts ago.
That way, you will be sure that software (BT stack) is o.k., i can confirm that in my case it does what it is supposed to...
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I think that perhaps your situation is different. You mentioned that your "MBR-100 uses A2DP, my earpiece HFP". Yet AFAICT my HBH-DS970 uses A2DP and the Rokr also uses A2DP. Both are attempting to receive stereo music.
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I meant, e.g. if your headset used HFP and your Rokr A2DP, they could be connected at the same time. Now i read in your post they both use A2DP so the whole toggling trough different profiles solution is off the table..
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What I'm asking is "Why not? Why this seemingly artificial limitation? Is is security concern? Did nobody think anybody might want to do this? Is it a hardware limitation? Is it a Bluetooth 2.x limitation?". It just seems silly to me to put a limitation like this for seemingly no particular reason. Ya know some people might want to actually share their music in like real time!
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I don't know the reason behind that (share music in real time would be awesome, though) but i can think of one technical limitation, and that is bandwith.
If you set the bitrate too high you wil experience skips. When i discovered the highest possible setting without skipping, i even had to set it a bit lower because i use my earpiece simultaniously. The music played without skips, but as soon as i would turn the earpiece on it would start skipping.
It is also impossible to stream audio and transfer data via PAN. Both the connections are o.k. but te A2DP stream would stop until the data is transferred.
So i assume there would not be enough bandwith to stream audio to multiple devices..
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But another thing that would make me go for the new ROMs is if I could get rid of the god awful Sprint Music Player (SMP or actually the HTC Audio Manager and its Today plugin)! This thing sucks! I usually use Pocket Player however the god damned SMP steals the AVRCP controls such that Pocket Player cannot get them. So I can't use Pocket Player and then have the Play/Pause button on my HBH-DS970 play or pause the SMP! You end up having two audio streams playing at the same time and the pause button does not pause Pocket Player! If there's a ROM out there that removes the silly SMP then I'm all ears!
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Heh, i use Pocket Player as well Unfortunately i don't use AVRCP but i think that is a software issue. I've read somewhere else on this forum users having the same complaint. Did not see a solution there..
Question : is this sprint player integrated in TF3D? There is a tweak tool out there to remove tabs. I removed the music player tab.
The other solution would be to go for the updated ROM from HTC. I understand your worries concerning support after flashing but i have flashed every phone i had and had never any problems.. My (flashed) Wizard broke down once, and T-Mobile (my carrier then) repaired it without any cost..
I must say i don't know how Sprint handles these things (i live in Europe).
A good thing is it's a ROM upgrade from the official HTC website so i don't think you have to change SPL (which from what i heard, is the warranty-voiding process). But anyway the sprint player is NOT included..
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I'm a little leary replacing the BT stack that's currently working pretty good (aside from the dropping problem) unless I can assure myself that I can re-install it if the new one doesn't work.
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You can always perform a hard reset, the MS BT stack will be intact.. (maybe use Sprite backup before you install another stack, it works really well (i don't know if you have the program, it came with my Diamond))
defaria said:
I think that perhaps your situation is different. You mentioned that your "MBR-100 uses A2DP, my earpiece HFP". Yet AFAICT my HBH-DS970 uses A2DP and the Rokr also uses A2DP. Both are attempting to receive stereo music.
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True, the idea of using the BT audio toggle is definately not going to work for you.
But, our situation has similarities! Like i mentioned, i use two MBR-100 devices. When one runs out of energy, i use the second one. They both use AD2P!
The process of changing the two is really simple, and i believe it should be as simple as that with your two A2DP devices.
This is how it goes wen i change the two :
- music is playing on my Diamond, sound goes to MBR100 #1.
- i power off MBR100 #1 (or it runs out of energy), A2DP connection closes, music keeps playing but now from the phone speaker.
- i power up MBR100 #2, press the button on it, it establishes A2DP connection and the music keeps playing, sound goes to MBR100 #2.
Simple as that, i don't even have to awake or touch the Diamond. Now i believe it should be possible that it is that easy for you too..
defaria said:
I usually use Pocket Player however the god damned SMP steals the AVRCP controls such that Pocket Player cannot get them. So I can't use Pocket Player and then have the Play/Pause button on my HBH-DS970 play or pause the SMP!
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I may have found something that can help with the AVRCP problem..
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Unfortunately i can't test it but it looks promising..
TheMusicMaster said:
I may have found something that can help with the AVRCP problem..
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Unfortunately i can't test it but it looks promising..
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This doesn't work. The "plugin" sounds like the plugin that even Conduit already offers for older versions of Pocket Player. And the new version of Pocket Player has this already built in. The problem is it's ineffective as something in the HTC implementation is usurping the AVRCP thing. See Bluetooth in 3.7 on Conduit's forum and AVRCP not working in PocketMusic and PocketPlayer ! here in this forum.
It may be that disabling the Sprint Music Player (really HTC Audio Manager) tab and guts will solve the problem and that may be in the HTC original ROM. I don't think you gave a direct pointer but I will research this later tonight.
Pointers to how to do a hard reset on the HTC Touch Diamond such that I can get back to the original ROM from Sprint would be appreciated (I seem to recall if you burn a ROM onto the phone then a hard reset goes off of that burned ROM not the original ROM. And no I have no backup product).
This is the link to the thread where you can download the TF3D Config program to remove the music tab.
You can perform a hard reset by pressing the vol-down key and enter button simultaniously (then power up), but you can only use this to restore the current ROM you are running to its initial state.
So you are right, you can use a hard reset to restore your Diamond to factory settings now (might be useful if you just want to experiment with other BT stacks and end up with the original BT stack not working), but if you flash your phone you can't go back to its original state unless you have that factory ROM.
But, since the ROM i mentioned comes from the official HTC site, i guess when it comes to support if you ever need it, you can always put on your innocent face and say "was i not supposed to do that?"
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This is the link to the thread where you can download the TF3D Config program to remove the music tab.
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Yes, except http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2852736 (page 101 post by scottsimon1979) states:
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I am unable to get this running on my Sprint Touch Pro. I get a message saying An unexpected error has occurred in Diamond TF3D Config.exe.
When I go to details, this is what I get:
Diamond TF3D Config.exe
NullReferenceException
at f.m()
at Diamond_TF3D_Config.frmMain.v()
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad()
at System.Windows.Forms.Form._SetVisibleNotify()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.set_Visible()
at System.Windows.Forms.Application.Run()
at a.a()
Any ideas?
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To which another guy said he's having problems and if you look even further down that thread I said "Me 3!". So TF3D Config does not work for us unfortunate Sprint HTC Touch Diamond owners...
You can perform a hard reset by pressing the vol-down key and enter button simultaniously (then power up), but you can only use this to restore the current ROM you are running to its initial state.
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Forgive me but no button is labeled "enter". Which one is the "enter" button?
So you are right, you can use a hard reset to restore your Diamond to factory settings now (might be useful if you just want to experiment with other BT stacks and end up with the original BT stack not working), but if you flash your phone you can't go back to its original state unless you have that factory ROM.
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Yes, hence my request for the Original Sprint Factory ROM...
But, since the ROM i mentioned comes from the official HTC site, i guess when it comes to support if you ever need it, you can always put on your innocent face and say "was i not supposed to do that?"
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You're in Europe aren't you? Things are different here in the States. Sprint doesn't take to kindly to you saying "was I not supposed to do that?". Their answer would be "of course you can't do that - your warantee is now void".
It's clear to me that the HTC phone and the Sprint branded phone are not one in the same. For one the back is different. Two, it's branded with the Sprint logo all over it! 3, it has the "Sprint Music Store", something I highly doubt a European HTC Touch Diamond would have. Forth, there is no radio! None, nada, caput! I downloaded the Radio cab and installed it - even hooked up the wired headset since it needs that for an antennae - nada. I also saw postings that Sprint's phone doesn't do radio. Now I could complain to Sprint saying the HTC site boasted of an FM radio to which I'm sure Sprint will merely say "Well that's HTC. We are not HTC. Our site and our advertising never said anything about an FM Radio". Additionally the time on the home page is different. Finally, tools such as TF3D Config tool just bombs out as noted above. No, to me it's clear the Sprint phone is not the same as the HTC Touch Diamond from HTC itself.
It's not like I haven't been downloading and installing things that obviously Sprint wouldn't like. I got things like a Transparent Clock, Remove [Sprint] Logo, Flip Clock and Advanced Config and TF3D Config. I even played with downloading the HTC Audio Manager and the HTC Audio Manager Today Plugin. All of these things were cab files that I could easily, and relatively safely install, try and uninstall should it not work correctly. I'd love to "install a new Bluetooth stack" if that were doable. But burning a whole new ROM and permanently severing any hope of "support" from Sprint - voiding the warantee... Well I guess I'm not exactly there yet but you're right - I'll probably have to end up doing that.
Still it would be nice if I could get the original Sprint ROM and the HTC ROM and play around with at least a little hope of being able to go back.
Oh, and BTW, aside from the "Volume Down and Enter while powering up" thing, I recall having some .exe that I ran on my PC that did the burning of the ROM to the phone. IIRC there was some other sequence to get it to receive the ROM. Ah yes I documented this on my blog:
Once you have a ROM you run the installation process. First you need to get your phone in "Bootloader" mode. This means, on my phone, that you hold down the power and voice record buttons at the same time while you perform a soft reset. Now here's the tricky part: The screen appears to be black but if you look really carefully you'll notice it says "Serial". You'll probably have to look at it in the light and move the phone from side to side. Why the secretly displayed with no backlight screen is beyond me.
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What's that sequence for the HTC Touch Diamond? And do these ROMs then install to this phone in "bootloader" mode?
O.k., i didn't realize your Diamond was different from mine. I figured, if we both have the same hard and software, and it works here, it has to work for you too.. When i was with T-Mobile, i got a branded HTC Touch, but this branding was nothing else then they put their T-Mobile logo on the device, and they modified WM6 so that everything has pink icons (no wonder i flashed it whitin a week ).
But the hardware was identical to original HTC devices.
I recently moved to a less urban part of the country, where there is no T-Mobile reception so i had to switch carrier, and when i switched i got the Diamond. This new carrier was Telfort, and they didn't even brand or lock the device. The only reason i upgraded the software is because i read the performance would be better (and it is )
So i see now, your situation is really different..
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Forgive me but no button is labeled "enter". Which one is the "enter" button?
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It's the round button in the middle. But you can also go to => settings => system and click "clear storage".
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But burning a whole new ROM and permanently severing any hope of "support" from Sprint - voiding the warantee... Well I guess I'm not exactly there yet but you're right - I'll probably have to end up doing that.
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One thing you can do before you decide to flash is see at HTC's website if there is an update for your device.
Before you can download the ROM, you have to fill in the serial number from your Diamond. Then you will know if they even have an update for your device.
When you fill in the serial number you will automatically get the right update. I even got the update in my own language (i'm dutch).
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Still it would be nice if I could get the original Sprint ROM and the HTC ROM and play around with at least a little hope of being able to go back.
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I'll keep my eyes open.., if i ever see this ROM i'll pm you.
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Oh, and BTW, aside from the "Volume Down and Enter while powering up" thing, I recall having some .exe that I ran on my PC that did the burning of the ROM to the phone. IIRC there was some other sequence to get it to receive the ROM. Ah yes I documented this on my blog:
What's that sequence for the HTC Touch Diamond? And do these ROMs then install to this phone in "bootloader" mode?
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No, it's actually quite easy. It is an .exe you run from your desktop when activesync is connected. Click "next" a couple of times, wait +/- 7 mins until the progress bar reaches 100% and you're done... Nice website btw. I see you play the guitar as well
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But the hardware was identical to original HTC devices.
I'll probably end up just flashing to the HTC ROM. Hell most of my updates so far have been to get it to be more HTC-like as they did a nice job (and Sprint has screwed it up). I just need to get some extra spare time if you know how that is....
This new carrier was Telfort, and they didn't even brand or lock the device.
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Sigh. Someday the cell phone industry in the US will wake up and stop with this stupid branding, tickering and locking people in! Cell phone companies! It's easy - just provide good service and you're have customers coming out of your ass! But I digress (and rant!)
Nice website btw. I see you play the guitar as well
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Thanks. Haven't played guitar in years now. Music's not what it used to be (i.e. respected) or at least not here in the US. Again, different market...
Oh, another thing, BT related. It's been frustrating but lately when I get a call I cannot answer it with the BT headset! Looking at the phone and trying Menu: Turn Hands Free On is grayed out! Quite honestly I'm no longer used to having to hold a phone up to my ear! It's damn inconvenient! Just this weekend my sister called and I was outside detailing my car a bit listening to a radio show. I go to answer the phone and it drops the BT connection! So I'm talking to her and I cannot continue my work - my car will have to wait. So I go back inside and turn on the speaker phone to listen and talk while I fiddle with the Bluetooth settings attempting to get the damn Turn Hands Free On thing to work. I turn off BT on the phone. I turn of the BT headset I have. I turn them both one - nada. I go into Settings: Bluetooth: Device and Refresh to see if the Hands Free got toggled off. Nope. I delete the device and re-add/re-pair it. Nothing. Nothing I did would get it so that I could switch to using my BT headset so I could get back to doing my car. What causes Turn Hands Free On to gray out when BT is on and the device has Hands Free toggled on? I mean shouldn't that mean that I can use Hands Free from that device? BTW, of course, a soft reset of the phone fixes the problem but by then it's too late! It's damn frustrating. And god damn it, I ask you, how hard is it to get BT working correctly?!?
Now when I get a phone call my music stops, the BT disconnects and the phone starts ringing on the speaker. I answer it and the screen goes blank and the speaker phone kicks in. Damn this is convenient! This is exactly what I want my phone to do! It anticipates my every need! NOT!!!
(Now I know somewhere there was some setting to turn off the screen when the phone picks up but I can't find it anymore. And the dropping of the BT and instead automatically going to the speaker phone - so everybody else can hear - is just unacceptable! Really, this should not be this hard! Designers of phones and their UI's - WAKE UP! Geeze!).
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OK, I'm fed up. I'd say that just today alone I had to turn on Bluetooth after it turning itself off like 15 times today. Just going to the grocery store whenever I hit the pause button then attempted to resume playback, BT was lost - 3 times on the less than 1/2 mile drive back to my house! The HTC ROM and no support from Sprint can't be any worse!!!
I will need to spend some time getting the ROM and then preparing properly to take this step. Usually I'd do this on the weekend but my daughter's in town for the weekend so it might be the week after. I've heard about the HTC Original ROM but are there any better ones? Remember, BT reliability is high on my list. And if I can find a ROM that allows me to remove - completely gut - the HTC Audio Manager tab so that Pocket Player can have a chance at AVRCP then I'm all ears!!!
I promise to write a full report on my experiences, hopefully documenting the problems I currently have and the hopeful solutions the new ROM will give - or just the new set of problems which is probably more likely...
This has almost gotten me to the point of writing my own Bluetooth stack though something tells me that the reason it works so badly now is probably because the Bluetooth specification is overly complicated and not very well defined...
And thanks everyone for listening to my ranting and not coming down too hard on me. I'm frustrated and sometimes vent. Thanks for understanding...
I have been having an interesting issue with my Bionic post-JB update, and hope someone here can give me some pointers of where to start.
Before the JB update, I was able to connect to my factory head unit (Toyota FJ Cruiser) without issue. I could stream anything via Bluetooth, and often listened to Pandora while on trips. I updated to JB, and now Pandora will not come through the speakers. a few useful tidbits of info.
1) Pandora thinks it is playing on the phone, but no sound comes out from the car stereo.
2) Google Music and PowerAmp both work flawlessly (even hve track data on head unit now
3) I have verified the basics (Bluetooth volume is up, Bluetooth enabled in Pandora, cycled the Bluetooth setting in Pandora, rebuilt connection to head unit, R&R'ed the app, etc.)
4) I have frozen the volume notification warning they added in JB.
5) Sound WILL play for about 3 seconds if I launch another music app and Pandora opens over it. Once the other app stops, so does the sound.
6) I have not been able to test this in another vehicle as my other car does not have Bluetooth connectivity.
I am at a loss. I can't find anything about anyone else having this particular problem, but it's driving me crazy. I may have to explore other options for music, which would be fine in a couple of months anyway, as a) will be eligible for an upgrade and b) my Pandora One subscription will be ending, but would rather not have to worry about it right now.
If anyone here has experienced anything like this, I would LOVE to have some help.
Have a little info, but no real help.
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I have been having an interesting issue with my Bionic post-JB update, and hope someone here can give me some pointers of where to start.
Before the JB update, I was able to connect to my factory head unit (Toyota FJ Cruiser) without issue. I could stream anything via Bluetooth, and often listened to Pandora while on trips. I updated to JB, and now Pandora will not come through the speakers. a few useful tidbits of info.
1) Pandora thinks it is playing on the phone, but no sound comes out from the car stereo.
2) Google Music and PowerAmp both work flawlessly (even hve track data on head unit now
3) I have verified the basics (Bluetooth volume is up, Bluetooth enabled in Pandora, cycled the Bluetooth setting in Pandora, rebuilt connection to head unit, R&R'ed the app, etc.)
4) I have frozen the volume notification warning they added in JB.
5) Sound WILL play for about 3 seconds if I launch another music app and Pandora opens over it. Once the other app stops, so does the sound.
6) I have not been able to test this in another vehicle as my other car does not have Bluetooth connectivity.
I am at a loss. I can't find anything about anyone else having this particular problem, but it's driving me crazy. I may have to explore other options for music, which would be fine in a couple of months anyway, as a) will be eligible for an upgrade and b) my Pandora One subscription will be ending, but would rather not have to worry about it right now.
If anyone here has experienced anything like this, I would LOVE to have some help.
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I have a Droid Bionic and drive 2009 Tundra. Had no issues connecting and listening to slacker radio before JB update. Currently can only play Google play music or anything that I have on my SD card. I have searched and found that it is most likely the updated Bluetooth from AVSP? 1.0 to 1.3 which toyota vehicles dont fully comply with. Sounds like the stereo head units are being left behind with the new blueototh updates. Dont know if there is a way to fix this, but it really sucks. I just bought the truck too. Should not have updated to JB. Maybe I will have to get a new head unit.
I would just use an aux in instead of replacing the head unit. My bionic acts odd when connecting Bluetooth to my 2013 civic. Poweramp always cones on automatically. I usually listen to Xm app. There are apps in the market to help control what apps will play through Bluetooth automatically and I assume those that won't play. I'd search for an app like that was well. I wouldnt replace an OEM head for that. You might have the same problem. I think its fixable through apps if you reseaech enough
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I have basically the same problem with my bionic and Lexis CT200. Apparently it is just the 4.1.2 version of JB that is the problem. If you use a 4.2.2Rom out will work. CM10.1 has worked for me. YMMV
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Yes, I've had this happen. I can't help MUCH, I'm afraid. All that works for me is to turn off Pandora, turn off BT, start over. But I *am* able to get Pandora to play through my BT usually. It will get confused and only play through the phone at times, but restarting the two seems to help.
I am rooted but still running the stock ROM on my Bionic (4.1.2). I experience this issue with my 2010 Camry. Can anyone verify that a 4.2.2 ROM will alleviate this issue?
Hi,
While I am streaming music via Bluetooth to my car and using Google Navigation, a problem occurs. When the Navigator tells me what to do next, I can't hear anything (no music as well).
So, so far, I have found 2 MAJOR PROBLEMS with the Note 3 :
1- You won't be able to play music after making/receiving a phone call. Error message: Unable to play during phone call. If you use another music player app other than the stock one, such as Winamp ... you can play the music, but the sound does not come out from the speaker at the bottom, but the speaker on the top.
2- This Bluetooth issue.
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Were you able to find out the fix for these issues? I am having the same problem.
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Hi,
While I am streaming music via Bluetooth to my car and using Google Navigation, a problem occurs. When the Navigator tells me what to do next, I can't hear anything (no music as well).
So, so far, I have found 2 MAJOR PROBLEMS with the Note 3 :
1- You won't be able to play music after making/receiving a phone call. Error message: Unable to play during phone call. If you use another music player app other than the stock one, such as Winamp ... you can play the music, but the sound does not come out from the speaker at the bottom, but the speaker on the top.
2- This Bluetooth issue.
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Were you able to find out the fix for these issues? I am having the same problem.
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Until now, I have not found a way to fix this annoying problem yet.
i have the same issue
Normally, i stream music with bluetooth to my car. sometimes i use waze at the same time. whenever a directional prompt or police warning comes on, it used to pause the music and the lady speaks the direction. The music then resumes and everything was fine.
Now, when the prompts come on, the music cuts off (but doesn’t pause, because when it comes back on its at a later part). Sometimes the voice prompt makes it thru but is choppy/garbled, or sometimes no voice at all. This behavior is the same for waze and google maps navigation.
I tried the setting to make it use the phone speaker instead, but it’s the same thing.
I noticed that this first happened after I installed the Themer app. I didn’t find the themes interesting enough and uninstalled it. I’ve had this issue ever since. I’m tempted to factory reset the phone, or better yet, root with RDLV since I’m still on MI9 as I understand RDLV wipes the phone anyways…
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i have the same issue
Normally, i stream music with bluetooth to my car. sometimes i use waze at the same time. whenever a directional prompt or police warning comes on, it used to pause the music and the lady speaks the direction. The music then resumes and everything was fine.
Now, when the prompts come on, the music cuts off (but doesn’t pause, because when it comes back on its at a later part). Sometimes the voice prompt makes it thru but is choppy/garbled, or sometimes no voice at all. This behavior is the same for waze and google maps navigation.
I tried the setting to make it use the phone speaker instead, but it’s the same thing.
I noticed that this first happened after I installed the Themer app. I didn’t find the themes interesting enough and uninstalled it. I’ve had this issue ever since. I’m tempted to factory reset the phone, or better yet, root with RDLV since I’m still on MI9 as I understand RDLV wipes the phone anyways…
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Are you having the same problem with streaming music via bluetooth not working ?
When you turn on your bluetooth to connect with the car, the phone will be put in "call mode" which doesn't allow you to play music at all? And even if you turn your bluetooth off, the phone will continue assuming that youre on a phone call, and doesn't let you play music.
At least right now, I and one other person in this forum are having the same issue.
It really drives me crazy.I think its because of the update to MJ5, I never had this problem when I bought the phone, only after update. . But now I can get back to stock, since their is no stock firmware for it yet.
my problem is with navigation prompts (either waze or google map) not working with I am streaming music thru bluetooth. when not streaming music the directional prompts come thru just fine. i can stream music to the car with no problems about being in call mode
I searched this forum and didn’t see any posts related to this issue directly, please direct me to any existing threads if I may have missed them. Sorry for the length of post, but I wanted to be as detailed as possible to fully explain the issue.
I am having some issues with the Bluetooth connections that I use in my car. I had this setup working previously on my Droid Razr Maxx with no issues, and was really hoping it would carry over to my Moto X.
I use Tasker in my car and have several profiles setup based on my Bluetooth connection state. When I enter my car, I connect to my General Motors Bluetooth for hands free calling. This connection works without issue. I also have a small USB powered Bluetooth audio receiver that converts the Bluetooth stream to a 3.5mm cable and goes into the radio deck for audio. It was a pretty cheap dongle that I got on eBay. It doesn’t have a brand name on it, but it comes up in my phone as “dmzmusic”. I’ve never had any major issues with it before, other than on occasion it fails to turn on when the car starts, but shutting the car off and turning it back on again works fine.
Last week I had my phone in a basically stock 4.4 state. Not rooted, nothing changed, etc. When I would get in the car, General Motors Bluetooth connected just fine. I did not happen to take any phone calls last week, so I’m not sure about how well that was working. I’ll get to this in a minute. My other connection for dmzmusic seemed to connect and then very quickly disconnect. This was evidenced by my Tasker profile launching Pandora, which it is supposed to do when it connects to dmzmusic. However, Pandora immediately exited again, and when I went to the Bluetooth settings, only General Motors was connected. If I tapped on dmzmusic in the list of paired devices, it connected and worked fine.
Over the weekend I rooted my Moto X with SlapMyMoto, which was quite a long process, but in the end, I was rooted and all was well. This morning, I got in my car and re-paired both devices mentioned above. When the Tasker profile fired for dmzmusic, I watched it launch Pandora, and then close it within a few seconds (there is an exit task to kill Pandora). It did this cycle three times, and then apparently stopped trying. As with before, I tapped on the connection and it worked fine. It launched Pandora, music played my whole way to work, and Pandora was killed when I arrived at work.
Now, back to the General Motors issue. Today when I was driving to work in the lovely Minnesota weather, my boss called to see where I was. My music paused, but my radio deck did not show an incoming call on the screen. I pressed the hands-free answer button, but it didn’t work. I picked up the phone and swiped right to answer, but it didn’t come through on Bluetooth. So I started talking on the handset, and after about 30 seconds, it connected to the radio and hands-free worked. When I was done with the call Pandora and music resumed, as it should.
So my question is, has anyone else had any issues with hands free Bluetooth, and/or any issues when using a hands-free device AND a media only device? In the Bluetooth settings, my General Motors connection only has the option for phone. The dmzmusic device has phone and media, but I have unchecked phone so it’s set to media only, if that makes any difference.
I know it’s a somewhat unique situation, but it’s really annoying that it doesn’t work. Tonight I am going to test having a few seconds delay on the Pandora task to see if that helps the repeat cycle that it did this morning.
Thanks!
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I searched this forum and didn’t see any posts related to this issue directly, please direct me to any existing threads if I may have missed them. Sorry for the length of post, but I wanted to be as detailed as possible to fully explain the issue.
I am having some issues with the Bluetooth connections that I use in my car. I had this setup working previously on my Droid Razr Maxx with no issues, and was really hoping it would carry over to my Moto X.
I use Tasker in my car and have several profiles setup based on my Bluetooth connection state. When I enter my car, I connect to my General Motors Bluetooth for hands free calling. This connection works without issue. I also have a small USB powered Bluetooth audio receiver that converts the Bluetooth stream to a 3.5mm cable and goes into the radio deck for audio. It was a pretty cheap dongle that I got on eBay. It doesn’t have a brand name on it, but it comes up in my phone as “dmzmusic”. I’ve never had any major issues with it before, other than on occasion it fails to turn on when the car starts, but shutting the car off and turning it back on again works fine.
Last week I had my phone in a basically stock 4.4 state. Not rooted, nothing changed, etc. When I would get in the car, General Motors Bluetooth connected just fine. I did not happen to take any phone calls last week, so I’m not sure about how well that was working. I’ll get to this in a minute. My other connection for dmzmusic seemed to connect and then very quickly disconnect. This was evidenced by my Tasker profile launching Pandora, which it is supposed to do when it connects to dmzmusic. However, Pandora immediately exited again, and when I went to the Bluetooth settings, only General Motors was connected. If I tapped on dmzmusic in the list of paired devices, it connected and worked fine.
Over the weekend I rooted my Moto X with SlapMyMoto, which was quite a long process, but in the end, I was rooted and all was well. This morning, I got in my car and re-paired both devices mentioned above. When the Tasker profile fired for dmzmusic, I watched it launch Pandora, and then close it within a few seconds (there is an exit task to kill Pandora). It did this cycle three times, and then apparently stopped trying. As with before, I tapped on the connection and it worked fine. It launched Pandora, music played my whole way to work, and Pandora was killed when I arrived at work.
Now, back to the General Motors issue. Today when I was driving to work in the lovely Minnesota weather, my boss called to see where I was. My music paused, but my radio deck did not show an incoming call on the screen. I pressed the hands-free answer button, but it didn’t work. I picked up the phone and swiped right to answer, but it didn’t come through on Bluetooth. So I started talking on the handset, and after about 30 seconds, it connected to the radio and hands-free worked. When I was done with the call Pandora and music resumed, as it should.
So my question is, has anyone else had any issues with hands free Bluetooth, and/or any issues when using a hands-free device AND a media only device? In the Bluetooth settings, my General Motors connection only has the option for phone. The dmzmusic device has phone and media, but I have unchecked phone so it’s set to media only, if that makes any difference.
I know it’s a somewhat unique situation, but it’s really annoying that it doesn’t work. Tonight I am going to test having a few seconds delay on the Pandora task to see if that helps the repeat cycle that it did this morning.
Thanks!
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Yup... My Dev GSM Moto X on 4.2.2 connected just fine to my Mazda for both Phone and A2DP everytime I entered or exited the car. With 4.4, I'd have to manually go into Bluetooth and have the phone connect to the car. Very annoying... Haven't had that happen since ICS days.. Might have to downgrade to 4.2.2 again just to make this go away.
Bluetooth working fine on 4.4 with my Hyundai Elantra. Phone and A2DP. Maybe try repairing?
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Yup... My Dev GSM Moto X on 4.2.2 connected just fine to my Mazda for both Phone and A2DP everytime I entered or exited the car. With 4.4, I'd have to manually go into Bluetooth and have the phone connect to the car. Very annoying... Haven't had that happen since ICS days.. Might have to downgrade to 4.2.2 again just to make this go away.
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Thanks. I wasn't able to test it on 4.2.2 (it took right away OTA out of the box) with my Moto X, but it was working fine on my Droid Razr Maxx on 4.1.2 Jelly Bean before I got the Moto X.
I will have to try and see how it works with just the A2DP device without the handsfree. I rarely ever talk on the phone, and with the Touchless Controls I could call people and just pick up the phone. Or turn the phone portion back on for the A2DP device so the sound would come through my speakers but I'd still have to use the mic on my phone...
Still annoying. Thanks again for the reply.
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Bluetooth working fine on 4.4 with my Hyundai Elantra. Phone and A2DP. Maybe try repairing?
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Both pair automatically together when you enter the car?
I can get them to coexist, but I have to manually add the A2DP device. The car radio (General Motors) connects fine, but the A2DP cycles and then gives up, it seems.
I will try pairing them in a different order, and temporarily disabling or adding a wait clause to my Tasker profile to see if it works without that.
Thanks,
I have a Dension BT gateway for my car that provides BT audio and hands free. My phone connects automatically as long is bluetooth is turned on. I also connect to a BT OBD2 adapter sometimes, and I tried it today, and I kept playing Pandora via BT and also connected to the OBD2 adapter and had data going from both of them.
fury683 said:
Both pair automatically together when you enter the car?
I can get them to coexist, but I have to manually add the A2DP device. The car radio (General Motors) connects fine, but the A2DP cycles and then gives up, it seems.
I will try pairing them in a different order, and temporarily disabling or adding a wait clause to my Tasker profile to see if it works without that.
Thanks,
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Yeah, but they aren't a separate connection I don't think. Pretty sure the one connection handles both.
Seems to be an issue with the A2DP device specifically. I unpaired my car and the dmzmusic device and repaired them both, same result. I added just the dmzmusic, and got the same thing.
I changed my Tasker profile to just flash a toast message to show it connecting and disconnecting instead of firing Pandora to see if that mattered and it didn't. I did not try disabling the Tasker actions entirely to see if that worked.
I have a pair of Bluetooth headphones at home that I may try as well to see if it will connect to those. They fire the same task as the dmzmusic does to launch Pandora when they connect, and kill it when they disconnect.
Hoping this gets fixed, because it's VERY annoying.
Is it possible to submit this to Google/Moto as a bug if it is a larger problem with all A2DP devices?
But it's not a problem with all A2DP devices. Works fine with both my 2013 Hyundai Elantra and my Jaybird Freedom buds.
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But it's not a problem with all A2DP devices. Works fine with both my 2013 Hyundai Elantra and my Jaybird Freedom buds.
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Thanks. I will try it with the Philips bluetooth headphones as well. The device in my car is pretty cheap. I don't know what version of Bluetooth it has, but it was only about $5. Anyone know of a similar device that can receive a Bluetooth audio signal and convert it to 3.5mm, and is powered by USB?
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Yup... My Dev GSM Moto X on 4.2.2 connected just fine to my Mazda for both Phone and A2DP everytime I entered or exited the car. With 4.4, I'd have to manually go into Bluetooth and have the phone connect to the car. Very annoying... Haven't had that happen since ICS days.. Might have to downgrade to 4.2.2 again just to make this go away.
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Well I sort of solved this. There's an app in the Play Store called Bluetooth Auto Connect. This can connect to bluetooth devices with a set of conditions and states, and works as a plug-in to Tasker. I told it to connect to dmzmusic upon connection to any other bluetooth device (in this case, my General Motors hands free). Worked perfectly. Thought you'd like to try it out for your dual device setup.
However, I also have a new issue. It seems the reason my phone call wasn't on bluetooth at first was due to some sort of connection issue with the General Motors unit. While driving home tonight, every few minutes my car radio said Connected. And every time I turned the car screen on to thumb up a song on Pandora, it flashed Connected to a trusted device. Which implied to me that it was disconnecting periodically. No idea why it would do this. Didn't see any setting for it in bluetooth, and battery saver isn't on.
Anyone seen something like this? Will try tomorrow without the trusted device settings to see if that matters....
I noticed a similar auto-connect issue with mine, when I was attempting to troubleshoot the stuttering A2DP issues I'm having. If I have the HFP and A2DP profiles both enabled, they both connect right up when the ignition is on. If I have the HFP profile disabled, and only A2DP enabled, it doesn't connect right away and I usually have to manually force it. Very strange. This whole BT situation on this phone has been a pretty big disappointment for me, since I had everything working great with my GNex (running 4.3) and now it's like I've lost the heart of my car audio system.
I bought the Kinovo BT dongle for my wife for Christmas, so it will be interesting to see how that works with her Moto X. I'm pretty excited about trying out the AptX encoding for lossless audio, but I doubt she will even notice the difference.
Just to give you an update.. I downgraded to 4.2.2 and it connects to my Mazda automatically just fine.. Upgraded to 4.4 and the problem returns.. No apps.. Stock + root. Keep in mind that the problem lies only with the auto connect aspect of it.. Streaming/calls work fine but only after manually connecting.
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Just to give you an update.. I downgraded to 4.2.2 and it connects to my Mazda automatically just fine.. Upgraded to 4.4 and the problem returns.. No apps.. Stock + root. Keep in mind that the problem lies only with the auto connect aspect of it.. Streaming/calls work fine but only after manually connecting.
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Did you look at the auto connect app? It worked fine for me. My Bluetooth stopped working for a day or two because I froze a process without realizing what it was so BT wouldn't turn on at all. I think I have to remove and repair both of my devices to get the same setup I had on my Razr Maxx on 4.1.2,
The connecting/disconnection and/or 1-2 minute lag from my General Motors hands-free connection was annoying too. Have to see if that persists. I tried making the A2DP device the trusted one to see if that changes anything.
Really hoping this is something that Moto can/does fix, especially through a Play Store push like they've done with Active Display and the camera app.
not that this is much help for the OP, but my subaru auto connects voice (calls) automagically each time. it also auto-pairs/connects with my TuneLink audio (BT receiver for audio output over headphone/FM).
in the bluetooth settings, the settings button next to your device brings up the paired bt device profile. check to see if all of your devices are registered correctly. for example, my subaru says, "phone audio" and my tunelink says, "media audio".
to help complicate/annoy/support above, i also have a soundbar and BT house phone (cordless). both devices behave the same way my car/tunelink do.
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not that this is much help for the OP, but my subaru auto connects voice (calls) automagically each time. it also auto-pairs/connects with my TuneLink audio (BT receiver for audio output over headphone/FM).
in the bluetooth settings, the settings button next to your device brings up the paired bt device profile. check to see if all of your devices are registered correctly. for example, my subaru says, "phone audio" and my tunelink says, "media audio".
to help complicate/annoy/support above, i also have a soundbar and BT house phone (cordless). both devices behave the same way my car/tunelink do.
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Thanks. I do have the boxes ticked in the device settings for which stream to use. The General Motors connection only has Phone Audio (and it's checked) and the dmzmusic A2DP device lists Phone Audio and Media Audio, only Media is checked.
Did you have these devices setup on 4.2.2 before taking the upgrade to 4.3? Did you wipe in the process? Wondering if that's why @totempole had the issue if he is rooted, he probably wiped the device in the process SBFing back to 4.2.2. If you aren't rooted and didn't wipe between 4.2.2 and 4.4, that could explain why it works OK for you and not us..
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Thanks. I do have the boxes ticked in the device settings for which stream to use. The General Motors connection only has Phone Audio (and it's checked) and the dmzmusic A2DP device lists Phone Audio and Media Audio, only Media is checked.
Did you have these devices setup on 4.2.2 before taking the upgrade to 4.3? Did you wipe in the process? Wondering if that's why @totempole had the issue if he is rooted, he probably wiped the device in the process SBFing back to 4.2.2. If you aren't rooted and didn't wipe between 4.2.2 and 4.4, that could explain why it works OK for you and not us..
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not rooted/haven't wiped.
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not rooted/haven't wiped.
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Must be something with setting it up AFTER taking the update to 4.4 Kit Kat. Wonder if @totempole tried setting thiers up after going back to 4.2 and before taking the upgrade for the root process with SlapMyMoto?
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Must be something with setting it up AFTER taking the update to 4.4 Kit Kat. Wonder if @totempole tried setting thiers up after going back to 4.2 and before taking the upgrade for the root process with SlapMyMoto?
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could be completely device specific too. if your vehicle is BT v2.x or whatever. my tunelink specifically has problems with data/audio stream with the X that my X doesn't have problems with on other devices. could be software/hardware incompatibility issues.
FWIW, my vtech BT phone @ home would NEVER pair with other devices. i would always have to manually pair.
I just emailed Moto about this, because I'm having bugs too. I think that you're on to something, 640k. My Pioneer headunit (FH-P800BT) has BT 2.0, and while HSP connects fine, A2DP only works on the first pair, and after disconnecting once and reconnecting, it won't ever connect A2DP. I have to completely unpair the phone and re-pair it to get both A2DP and HSP working. My phone also gets stuck on "Connecting..." under BT whenever it's having issues connecting with A2DP. Here's the email I sent off to Moto"
I've noticed an issue with my new Moto X that I never had with my Samsung Galaxy Nexus. The phone itself performs way better than my older phone, but I've had a specific bluetooth problem. I have a Pioneer headunit that supports A2DP as well as HSP (music playback and headset functionality) and with my Galaxy Nexus, it worked great, I paired my phone up with the headunit, and both A2DP and HSP would pair at the same time, and work perfectly. With my Moto X, when I first pair the phone to the headunit, it pairs both profiles, but after I've disconnected (turned car off or turned bluetooth off) and come back, it only pairs HSP, and when I try to pair A2DP, my phone gets stuck on "Connecting..." under bluetooth to the headunit, and never will connect to A2DP unless I unpair and re-pair the entire phone. I've tried resetting my headunit and phone and still the same problem exists. Looks like other people are having issues with bluetooth too, as per this article on a popular Android forum > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2562186 < I'd like you all to check this out. Seems it's just on 4.4, and wasn't present on 4.2.2 (I never checked myself on 4.2.2, as I immediately upgraded to 4.4 when I got my phone. This doesn't seem to be a hardware problem, but more of a software problem. Please check into this, and don't just read this and act like it's only a problem a handful of people are having. I'd like to have this fixed, and while it's not a deal-breaker for me to use the phone, it does make me a bit frustrated. Thanks in advance!
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Trying to stream music from Google Play to my Big Jambox over Bluetooth. Sounds like a CD is skipping and then it eventually pauses the music.
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Trying to stream music from Google Play to my Big Jambox over Bluetooth. Sounds like a CD is skipping and then it eventually pauses the music.
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I've streamed it to my car and it was fine
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Trying to stream music from Google Play to my Big Jambox over Bluetooth. Sounds like a CD is skipping and then it eventually pauses the music.
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The only problem I have is the bluetooth in my car is always on. The phone wants to stay connected to it even when I'm in the house. Makes for a frustrating time when I'm doing work in the yard and trying to listen to something. I will plug in the headphones and after a while it will switch to the car's bluetooth.
Short of that the bluetooth connection has been stable and used a lot.
Can anyone help me..
how to connect my Samsung Galaxy tab2 with the nokia Bh-503 Bluetooth headset...
My tab won't connect the nokia Bluetooth device...
So how can i able to connect BH device in my samsung galaxy tab2 gt-p3100..??????????
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Blue tooth connection issue
Ok, let me be as descriptive as possible to my condition/experience.
I went for a walk today with Droid Turbo in tow, blue tooth connections to my Moto 360 (synced with Run Keeper) and Beats bluetooth earphones, playing a downloaded podcast, to avoid weak signal/streaming issues.
The sound coming thru the connected headphones was choppy, cutting in and out. Not listenable.
I thought the Moto active display were being tripped over and over again in my pocket, causing the choppiness of the bluetooth audio.
I turned off all the Moto active settings, as well as double twist to open camera app.
After turning off all those settings, it seems to play without a hitch. For the first couple of minutes. Then it would alternate between continuous playback and chopped playback, couple minute at a time, back and forth.
I am now done with that walk, sitting down typing this up and bluetooth thru Beats are working flawlessly.
It must be related to motion of the phone as I walk that causes the chopped playback, i dont have a clue.
Anyone have similar and create a setting profile that eliminates this?
Only issue with Bluetooth is with my mazda cx5, connects faster than my note 3, plays well except sometimes with play music the display won't advance to the next song but the song plays. Also sometimes the skip track won't work. Had zero issues with the note 3, hoping the next update fixes these problems. That's the problem with being an early adapter, but love the phone so far, miss having viper4android and pandora patcher, but can live without them, but keeping fingers crossed for root, although I seriously doubt this phone will get it.
Me too
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Trying to stream music from Google Play to my Big Jambox over Bluetooth. Sounds like a CD is skipping and then it eventually pauses the music.
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I had what sounds like the same problem. At first I thought I was getting notifications that would make the Bluetooth connection to my car cut out, but eventually realized that it was indeed garbled and sounded like a CD skipping quietly. I also had horrible battery life and touch screen issues even after a factory reset. Returned it and I'm using my GNex until my N6 shows up.
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I had what sounds like the same problem. At first I thought I was getting notifications that would make the Bluetooth connection to my car cut out, but eventually realized that it was indeed garbled and sounded like a CD skipping quietly. I also had horrible battery life and touch screen issues even after a factory reset. Returned it and I'm using my GNex until my N6 shows up.
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Fortunately for me the CD skipping stopped. Seems it worked itself out for me. [emoji1]
My turbo has a terrible time staying connected to my pebble, so much so that I'm attempting to set up llama to periodically check for connectivity, and if it finds none, reset Bluetooth and attempt a reconnect.
No audio problems, but I've never tried for more than a half hour or so.
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Ok, let me be as descriptive as possible to my condition/experience.
I went for a walk today with Droid Turbo in tow, blue tooth connections to my Moto 360 (synced with Run Keeper) and Beats bluetooth earphones, playing a downloaded podcast, to avoid weak signal/streaming issues.
The sound coming thru the connected headphones was choppy, cutting in and out. Not listenable.
I thought the Moto active display were being tripped over and over again in my pocket, causing the choppiness of the bluetooth audio.
I turned off all the Moto active settings, as well as double twist to open camera app.
After turning off all those settings, it seems to play without a hitch. For the first couple of minutes. Then it would alternate between continuous playback and chopped playback, couple minute at a time, back and forth.
I am now done with that walk, sitting down typing this up and bluetooth thru Beats are working flawlessly.
It must be related to motion of the phone as I walk that causes the chopped playback, i dont have a clue.
Anyone have similar and create a setting profile that eliminates this?
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I have this same stuttering problem when I use my LG TONE while everything works fine while connected to my car's radio.
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I have this same stuttering problem when I use my LG TONE while everything works fine while connected to my car's radio.
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I run regularly with the Turbo in my pocket, with BT Headphones (Motorola H11), BT heart rate monitor (Polar), with Runkeeper app tracking my run and music playing from Google Play music. Works very well. Once in a while, I do get a little skipping (1-2 minutes of skipping on 1 out of every 5 runs?). I do usually turn my wifi off when I'm going for a run. I run by a few saved hotspots, and I think that the skipping is related to wifi attempting to connect to a weak hotspot.
Just curious... The ones having issues with BT connections. Are you by chance connected to Wi-Fi? I've always had issues with Bluetooth on my devices when connected to 2.4ghz WiFi. No issues with 5ghz. They're too close to the same frequency. My note 2014 can't even keep a connection to my work 2.4ghz Wi-Fi and stream over a Bluetooth connection. Drops it every time.
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Just curious... The ones having issues with BT connections. Are you by chance connected to Wi-Fi? I've always had issues with Bluetooth on my devices when connected to 2.4ghz WiFi. No issues with 5ghz. They're too close to the same frequency. My note 2014 can't even keep a connection to my work 2.4ghz Wi-Fi and stream over a Bluetooth connection. Drops it every time.
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Yeah I'm pretty sure that's the issue here. When I first got this phone, music over my bluetooth earbuds would skip like crazy while I was walking across campus. Eventually I noticed that if I set the wifi frequency band to 5GHz only or turned it off completely, then the stuttering would stop. Likely the stuttering was from my phone trying to connect to access points as I walked through campus. So now I just have tasker set up to disable the wifi whenever I'm connected to my earbuds. Not a proper solution but it works for now. Never had a problem like this with my Galaxy S3, though. Hopefully it can be fixed in some sort of software update.
I've had what sounds like skipping, but it only happens when the phone is either connecting or disconnecting from WiFi and I am streaming music, that wasn't uncommon with previous phones though so I wouldn't consider it a Turbo issue. I stream almost every day for a total of about 1-2 hours.
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Hey I just posted my experience here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=57604084&postcount=4 but I'll just copy and paste it to this thread:
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Hmmm, I wonder if it's motion based. I'm sitting in my room listening to it now and it's a lot better. Unfortunately that doesn't really solve my problem, though.
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Rixanu - I think you're on to something... I'll give my "story" and hopefully someone a little more savvy than us can help figure it out.
I switched over from the good ole Galaxy Nexus about a month ago. No major complaints on the Turbo yet as we await Lollipop, with the exception of this Bluetooth issue. I have the Bluetooth paired in the car, and a set of headphones - music and everything worked perfectly on the GNex through the Bluetooth. Now, primarily, it's often choppy (mustic anyway) - for reference, when listening to music I listen via Google Play (all access or whatever they call it now). I figured the choppiness was related to the fact that the music was being streamed since most wasn't downloaded yet, but after very limited experimenting, I believe it must have to do with the physical Bluetooth radio. I had noticed in the past that when the music streams perfectly, a lot of times if I pick it up to check an email, text, etc., it becomes choppy, but thought that was strange since the RAM should be more than sufficient to multitask without choppiness. On my way home from a friend's, I played around and stuck my hand over various parts of the back of the phone, and would press the phone against my pant, etc., and could effectively interfere completely with the connection such that it would be only silent, and not even choppy. Yet, while the music wasn't playing, the track continued to playback on the device and when the music would pick up after I moved the phone, it would be 10 seconds or whatever later as if it had been playing straight through the whole time.
I haven't tested this theory too much yet, but I think combined with your issue, there's certainly something there. Unfortunately, I frequent these parts in order to find answers to these types of issues and don't have the solutions myself.
Do we have lemons, or is this issue prevalent?
I'm happy to provide more info to anyone that can help.
Thanks in advance!
Guys user: BIOYAM
Found a fix that worked for him and for me. You can try this:
Install SetCPU (I used a free app No-frills Cpu controll) with Governor: Interactive, CPU: Max 2265MHZ & Min 652
This totally stopped my bluetooth audio issues. Of course you need to be rooted to use these tools.
Hope this helps. :good:
Just an update for all y'all... My brother has the same phone and he's sort of oblivious to these types of issues, so I didn't trust his take on whether he was having the same problem. Anyway, I tested his phone on my BT devices and his phone had no issue whatsoever, even though mine did as I flipped back and forth between a pairing of the two.
Long story short, I called Verizon who connected me through Motorola and they're shipping me a new one, though they required me to put a $500 hold on my cc until I send this POS one back.
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I would be happy for suggestions. My bluetooth headphone keeps losing connection to the phone, and then reconnecting. Now, this only happens when I'm not listening, but since I tend to keep the headphones around my neck when I've paused playback I hear the reconnection beeping, it's annoying. When I resume listening the headphone may, or may not be connected.
I've made sure all the other bluetooth devices have bluetooth off, so I don't think the phones are trying to connect to something else. I read in another post that someone thought they might be having trouble because their car bluetooth was always on. I don't know if mine is, but I can tell you it's a pain to connect the phone to the car. Every time I do I need to go through several menus and, of course, this can only be done in Park, so I doubt the car is trying to take over the phone's bluetooth. :fingers-crossed:
Thanks
Since the MM upgrade, my phone has stopped connecting to my BT headphones automatically when I turn the headphones on. I have to manually connect them, by selecting them out of the list of paired devices. Is this just a change in how MM handles BT?
My issues with BT happen with both Lollipop & MM. My Turbo will randomly turn off BT and when I go to turn it back on I see the BT icon flash a couple of times quickly but it never turns back on. I found a remedy for the issues by using an app called Bluetooth Auto Connect but even with that I still have the issues now.
The phone also turns BT on by itself, even after I have manually disabled it
I'm sure the phone knows that it's going to be replaced with a Pixel and is messing with me as much as possible until then.
Any ideas?