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I am thinking of getting an XDA to use incar for GPS. I have read some articles on this site but they all seem to approach the problem half way through. Can anyone suggest the best GPS device, cradle, software and anything else that is needed
thanx
gps for xda
try www.routeplanners.co.uk, or www.tomtom.com for the superb TomTom Navigator2 packages for XDA.
Good luck Chop!
You can try also:
http://www.pharosgps.com/products/phone/c_siemens_ppc.htm
There is plenty of useful information on:
http://www.pocketgps.co.uk
Zed,
I would consider buying one of the new generation XDA's (XDA II). They are supposedly equipped with bluetooth. The main advantage with this would be the possibility to buy a bluetooth GPS mouse, or a standalone bluetooth enabled GPS reciever.
The problem with the non-bluetooth GPS mice is their need to use the serialport at the bottom of the device to communicate. If you wan't a car mount kit with amplified speaker built into the back of the cradle, they are only sold as powered mounts which use the serialport for charging.
Thus you would have to use the GPS mouse with charging capabilities and let the charging dongle for the mount with amplified speaker hang loose.
Or you could buy a car mount without power, but then you would not have the amplified speaker functionality.
The amplified speaker functionality is great for spoken directions from some the map softwares available.
Here's a link to a car mount with amplifying speaker:
http://www.arkon.com/CM530.html
I have bought one of these, but I have not recieved it yet.
If you want a review, take a look at:
http://www.pocketpcpassion.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29460&highlight=car*+mount
Here's a listing of GPS'es with prices and links:
http://www.gpspassion.com/en/hardware/gpslist.htm#Mouse GPS Receivers
GPS RECEIVER FOR XDAs
Have got a xdaII;
I first tried Tomtom bluetooth but often ecounter no power for long distance travelling. I sold it afterwards and switched to a wired solution with in car charger. It is perfect.
Details. pls. refer to the link below. It also works with Orange SPVM1000, Imate, MDA, IPAQ etc.
http://shop.wangtao.co.uk/info.aspx?ads=gps
Wish you will be successful in chosing one best suitable for you.
Your profile doesn't say what country you're in, and the answer varies by location. In the USA, Routis is a top-notch application for navigation. Pharos is absolute garbage. Deluo, the company that makes Routis also makes a very nice GPS receiver that works well with the XDA I and XDA II.
Bluetooth GPS receivers are rather silly, in my opinion. Totally pointless, since you need to power both the PDA and the GPS, so...you might as well wire them up. The Deluo kit has a nice arrangement with a lighter socket and a single cable up to the device to carry both power and the GPS data.
I would like to know how you get on with the Arkon, I have the same one and it is unusable, every time the phone changes to a different cell you get that doomp-de-doomp sound, when the phone rings the noise from the speaher due to direct rf breakthrough is absolutely atrocious and makes the system unusable.
Hi
I want to use my XDA2i as a handheld Satnav device. The obvious GPS receiver to buy would be the GlobalSat SD-502 SDIO GPS Receiver. However there seems to be issues around using them together.
What are the issues and can they be overcome?
Another option is to use a CF GPS Receiver connected by a backpack (which I have) The only trouble being that the CF slot comes out of the bottom of the device.
What is it that the SD-502 doen't like about the XDA2i. I assume it is something to do with the phone??? Is it possible to disable the phone ( I don't use the phaone as I have an XDA mini S
Help....
Simon
Why not BT?
I wouldn't bother with a plug-in GPS unit. They increase the battery drain and the XDA2i doesn't have a great battery life to start with.
I use a BT GPS unit (TomTom GPSII) and it works very well. I also use it with other devices (an AXIM X51v and Nokia 6620).
BT GPS units are small, battery life is very good - I get 8 hours out of the TTGPSII.
Regarding the phone- that 's another issue. You need to disable 'flight mode' to enable BT. This turns the 'phone on - but if you don't have a SIM in nothing much happens. To disable the 'phone - turn on 'flight mode'
Phil
I've used Tom Tom 5 v5.21 and a BT338 Bluetooth GPS unit just fine
HANDHELD Satnav
Thanks for both your replies
However both the products you talk about are really designed to sit on the dash of your car. The reason I want to use the SD-502 is that it makes the PDA into a standalone Satnav device. I want to use this out of the car, whilst walking, biking etc.
It seems mad that I could use the SD-502 with a PDA running the same OS as the XDA2i but can't because of the phone part of the XDA2i. (I don't use the XDA2i as a phone as I have a XDA mini S) I can't believe that simply disabling the phone (flight mode) would work. But would it be possible to reload the OS without the phone part.
Anyone have experience of this??
Simon
HANDHELD Satnav
Thanks for both your replies
However both the products you talk about are really designed to sit on the dash of your car. The reason I want to use the SD-502 is that it makes the PDA into a standalone Satnav device. I want to use this out of the car, whilst walking, biking etc.
It seems mad that I could use the SD-502 with a PDA running the same OS as the XDA2i but can't because of the phone part of the XDA2i. (I don't use the XDA2i as a phone as I have a XDA mini S) I can't believe that simply disabling the phone (flight mode) would work. But would it be possible to reload the OS without the phone part.
Anyone have experience of this??
Simon
Hi,
As far as I am aware it is not possible to get rid of the phone stuff off the phone, but I may be mistaken, however what several of my colleagues do who want to use a hand held sat nav like you describe is get a bluetooth GPS receiver with the SirfIII chipset and either wear it around their neck using the cord they get with their work ID or just stick it in their pocket and forget about it.
One of them is off this weekend on a camping and hiking trip and plans to use his XDA IIi and Holux BT231 to find his way around. I can't remember the exact Sat Nav software he is using though.
G
Thanks gquipster
"get a bluetooth GPS receiver with the SirfIII chipset and either wear it around their neck using the cord they get with their work ID or just stick it in their pocket and forget about it"
I thought that the receiver needed direct sight of satelites to work, hang round the neck or stuck in a pocket is idea. Phil talks about getting 8 hours battery life out of his TTGPS11.
Thanks for your help
Re: HANDHELD Satnav
SimonJB said:
Thanks for both your replies
However both the products you talk about are really designed to sit on the dash of your car. The reason I want to use the SD-502 is that it makes the PDA into a standalone Satnav device. I want to use this out of the car, whilst walking, biking etc.
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I also use OziExplorer and Pocket Anquet on my XDA2i. Still use the BT GPS for the same reasons as stated previously - improved battery life of the PDA (it needs all the help it can). I wear my TomTomII BT GPS around my neck on a lanyard - it works very well. Watch it on a bike - if you fall you could ruin your XDA :wink:
Phil
I have a QStarz 32-channel Bluetooth receiver, it's pretty small and easily fits in my pocket. Its model number is BT-Q880, and it lasts for ages on a single charge.
There's a registry hack you can perform to stop the error dialog coming up if you attempt to turn the Bluetooth on with the phone in Flight Mode, I tried it out and it seemed to work out, it let me run the Bluetooth without the phone part of the PDA turned on, so that could be useful if you're after usage as just a SatNav-enabled PDA.
Have you considered that running the phone in regular mode would allow you to make emergency 999 calls, though? That could be useful if you're out on your own hiking or geocaching or whatever, if you got into a pickle whilst out you wouldn't have to mess about with the registry to turn the phone back on, you could just hit the green key and dial the number, job done.
have you tried this?
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have you tried this?
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This has been previously discussed.
Hello.
Does the bluetooth on your Kaiser or Tilt work through walls?
I have a mac pro which has a very good strong bluetooth signal and I can connect to it via nearly all of my other PDA's however my Tilt cannot see the mac pro through any walls.
I have tested the range of the bluetooth by placing the Tilt on a table and playing an mp3 to my Jabra BT620s's and in direct view of the phone I can get about 25 ft from it which I believe is quite acceptabe but the minute I try to connect or maintain a connection throught a sheetrock wall it cuts out.
Does anoyone elses unit do the same thing? Or do I still possibly have a defective unit?
Any ideas?
Tom
Am I the only one who notices this?
BT uses the same 2.4 GHz frequency range as 802.11b, so it should theoretically work. However, BT uses somewhat less power than WiFi, so you may not get the same range.
I have a Sony MEX-BT5000 radio in my car, which is paired with the phone. My garage is about 20 feet from my living room, with one wall between the two rooms. Sometimes, when I forgot to take my old Wizard with me, I would notice the Sony pairing with the phone, only to lose the pairing as soon as I back out of the garage. So it is possible for BT to connect through a wall. However, I haven't forgotten my Tytn II yet, so I haven't been able to test its BT performance.
Hi,
This is my first post so please be easy on me
I am an ICT Engineer and I am having problems with one of my customers HTC Kaiser (re-badged as Orange TyTN II).
He has an THB Bury cradle. The Kaiser has TomTom installed (Orginal disc version 6 navigator), but when the phone is docked in the cradle it goes to Cra Kit profilr and he gets no sound from TomTom.
I have changed the profile, but still no sound from TomTom. I have checked the cradle it it works fine apart no sound for sat nav.
I have searched for hours on loads of forums to find a fix for this i.e. new ROM from Orange or patch from THB, but can't find anything.
Has anyone else had this problem and is there a fix i.e. registry alternation.
Is there anything within the TomTom settings for this.
It might be that this is the way it will work, afterall you do not want the TomTom coming out over the audio of the telephone call.
Thanks for the reply.
We used to use the Orange SPV M2000 (HTC BlueAngel) with TomTom using the same hands free kit (different cradle obviously) and never had a problem. The sat nav audio would work as normal, but when a call came in the sat nav would cut out until the call had finished.
I have have been through the TomTom settings (very limited) and cannot see anyway of changing the audio on it.
It seems more like a HTC Kaiser problem rather than TomTom or the cradle, because it worked fine with a BlueAngle.
Just found this on a THB Bury re-sellers site: -
"Please note: When the Phone is put into the cradle, the Phone will immediately go into car kit profile, which means the external speaker will be disabled [loss of sound for the Sat Nav directions]"
Is the registry hack to stop this happening?
Have you tried using the tomtom and checking there is audio working ok without putting it in the cradle?
Yep. TomTom works absolutly fine out of the cradle. I have even bought a new cradle to check if the original cradle was defect, but still no sound.
To summarise: -
TomTom audio working fine out of THB Bury HFK
TomTom stops working when in THB Bury HFK (enters Car Kit Profle)
Could you not move the handsfree cradle to maybe a vent mount solution so that when you are in the car you can view the TomTom directions instead of hearing them?
Personally I would find yor situation ideal as I hate SatNav voice commands and prefer to navigate from the map.
I got a response from THB Bury about this problem:
"Dear Alistair, many thanks for your enquiry regarding our Bury product range.
The Navigationcommand didn´t run over the carkit, because the Navigationsoftware got no software for muting.
Best regards
Dean Taylor
--Bury-Infoline-- "
Not really what I needed so.....
Does anyone know either how to doctor the USB connector so that it doesn't cause the phone to switch to 'car mode' OR a registry/software fix which stops the TnTY/Stellar from muting its internal speaker when in 'Car' mode?
Failing that I need a new car kit which, holds the phone, charges it, provides hands free phone service, allows TT6 audio instructions through and doesn't blow the USB port. Just like the THB Bury 'Universal' kit should do.
Any recommendations? Alistair
Hi,
Does anybody know about a working bluetooth TMC-receiver for Leo? I need only TMC but I'm not really sure what I should buy. Maybe anybody of you has a working one - please tell me which one.
Big THX in advance!
de Wolfe said:
Hi,
Does anybody know about a working bluetooth TMC-receiver for Leo? I need only TMC but I'm not really sure what I should buy. Maybe anybody of you has a working one - please tell me which one.
Big THX in advance!
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HI, it´s possible to use the inside radio to recive tmc signal. But only with the cableheadset.
Is it already possible also with HD2? Last time I tried (3 days ago) hyperGPS was not suitable for HD2.
No, it is not yet possible to do so... I am waiting for this too...
De Wolfe: check gns-gmbh.com/index.php?id=80
GNS TrafficBox Plus FM9BT-C or its identical clone Navilock NL-324BTR (comes a little cheaper). Tested with HD2 + Navigon 7.3.6 and 7.4.0 PDA.
No HyperGPS/proprietary TMC yet.
I've tried Hypergps with my HD2 with no success
The starnge think is that Igo8 discovered TMC when Hypergps was set to port com 7 and GNS protocol. Unfortunately there was no way for me to set the correct FM frequency for RDS
TMC working with external BT GPS/TMC receivers
I got my new HTC HD2 a week ago. Igo8 runs exceptionally fast. I wanted to still use TMC data as well as I have paid for it (naviextras) and am used to it on my Pocket PC's (ipaq 3970, 5450, 5550 and 4700). I tried the HyperGPS route with the headset lead (you definitely need to plug a lead in to act as FM aerial). The only way I get TMC information working is to use either the GNS BT GPS/TMC receiver (GNS5843) or the Royaltek (RTG1001). I can either use internal GPS of HD2 (port 4 baud rate 57600) and get TMC from the BT GPS on port 2 at baud rate 57600. Port 2 seems to be the only option you get when you add (pair) the BT GPS devices and pick an external GPS port. I intend to generally use the internal GPS, but when in the car and going some distance or in bad weather if necessary will switch on the GNS 5843 go to igo8 setting/TMC pick GNS (protocol) port 2 and baud rate of 57600 (even though the manual says 38400). I get the message TMC Hardware detected and off It goes searching for RDS signals of the FM transmissions and extracts the TMC codes to integrate with your map and route. I have my GPS/TMC device semi permanently in the car (using velcro pads) by the windscreen or sun roof to get a better view of the sky for the satellites and the aerial suckered to the top of the windscreen so as not to have the FM signal blocked by the metal of the car's metal frame. Be aware that if you have a car with the 'athermic' windscreens that this will weaken all radio signals to your device (satellite, mobile & FM/RDS).
I better mention that I am in Northamptonshire in England in UK. You need to be in area that is covered by TMC carrying radio stations (non BBC), example are Classic FM and leicester sound, Heart FM, etc. etc..
Dear Mr de Wolfe
I use the "GNS TrafficBox FM9BT-C - Bluetooth TMC / TMCPro Empfänger mit KFZ zu USB Adapter" wich is a bloetooth tmc-module built in a car-charger.
It works pretty good, signal is ok with the short antenna and is very good with the cable-antenna. The charger is strong enough for the HD2 (wich is mentioned as problem in the comments of the website)
I got it from here: "http://www.pdamax.de/?art_nr=gn-003"
Greetings from Bavaria
esociarius
I can confirm the gns 5843 working. but i do have, after activating bluetooth, to connect the com2 manually. only activating bluetooth does not do the trick. the gns unit is paired but com2 does not connect. so igo does not find the tmc signal.
after manually connecting com 2 it works like a charm.
little annoyance and would like to find solution for it. if anyone knows.
example of sys.txt tmc setting for HTC HD2
I think you can get around this by adding some text to the sys.txt file under title of TMC and you state com port. Port 2 in our case.
[tmc]
port="" - comma separated port name and port number pairs for ex. "COM,1,COM,2,COM,3"
source="" - if it is not specified then the program tries to autodetect or the possible strings are
gns
royaltek
amaryllo
samsung
opentmc1
opentmc2
ngalik
eten
harman
gps_source= - 0 if the GPS and TMC receivers communicate on different ports, 1 if they share one port (for ex. GNS 5843 or Royaltek RTG1001)
But then it will always look for the BT GPS unit. Personally I prefer to switch the TMC section on only if I think I need to when in the car on a longer journey. So I use HD2's internal GPS (port 4) and external TMC (port 2 from GNS5843) Like I went to London on Friday (100miles away). Only in the centre of Canary wharf did the signal become confused. This would be because of the tall, close, glass and steel buildings making multipath GPS signals and only a small and narrow view of the sky immediately above. That is the situation when you put your BT GPS receiver at the sunroof glass looking straight up at sky instead of forward at the buildings blocking the signals from orbit.
Were you using your GNS GPS/TMC device for both signals or just the TMC? The above should cure your problem if you only use the GPS/TMC BT device on port 2.
I am using the internal GPS and bluetooth only for TMC. never had a prolem with lack of sattelite signal of the internal GPS in my car, so have no reason to use it other way.
I agree that the internal GPS receiver in the HD2 is very very powerful (sensitive). I get all 12 windows full of GPS signal even in the middle of my house and accuracy listed as 'high'. But I was just giving an insight to the worse case scenario I had the other day was in the middle of Canary Wharf because of the tall buildings . it would be the only place in the UK with the worst conditions for satellite reception.
The ideal and cheapest solution, for everyone, will be the solution for HyperGPS to work on HD2 with the 3.5mm aerial/headset lead plugged in. I even get a good FM signal through the 3.5mm to 3.5mm lead to connect HD2 to the audio input to the car system. If someone gets or sees the HyperGPS working on the HD2 for igo8 do please let us know. Thanks! in advance.
P.S. by the way ....where is this web site based? I just put this on at 1856 yet it displays at 0656. This site would therefore be ½ way around the world...... Ah! I just noticed there is the pm after it.
Just got my Navilock NL-324BTR. Paid just over £50 from Amazon.de. All is working well. The only niggle I have is that when iGO8 opens, it asks me to confirm the port that I want to use. If I do not select the port then hit "select" in time, the option screen disappears and it does not start.
Anyone any solutions?
To get that screen back you either just tap the BT button to get to that screen again or minimize Igo8 and tap start then Bluetooth then select your device. (I have moved the BT icon to the top (tap and hold) of the HD2 screen.
tomtom
Does anyone know whether there are any workarounds to use any of these tmc receivers with tomtom on the hd2. If not, can someone who used both tomtom and recent Igo give a short pros and cons of the two? I used Igo about 3-4 years ago and I did not like it plus I became used to tomtom.
what is reception quality of gns trafficbox tmc receiver?
Hi,
i am topaz (HTC touch diamond 2) owner and can use hypergps, however i find fm reception of topaz builtin tuner quite poor for tmc needs. In my citroen c5 (worst car for all sort of signals due to its athermic windscreen), tmc reception is poor. I have experimented with various antennas connected to extusb connector, however no real success.
I tried to get magnetic mount fm antena for car roof, but there isnt any available?!
Out of desperation i am now conisdering GNS traffic box (to many $$$...). As i understand there are two versions: lighter plug and external antenna version (both BT). I would buy one of these, and lighter plug seems practical, however i am afraid, that it would have poor recepetion due to athermic windscreen.
tomi
Hi tomi,
I have the GNS for the lighter-plug. The reception in my car (Ford Mondeo) is excellent with the long antenna and not bad with the short antenna - but in your case: I would buy the internal module, which is connected to the antenna of the car-radio, though you cannot take it out of your car.
Best regards
esociarius
Hi mihaid,
I have Tomtom on my second device, but I think there is no possibility to connect a tmc-module to tomtom - they want to sell their own tmc over internet-connection. This was one of the reasons, why I went back to Navigon, which works great on the hd2 (though the Navigon-support is poor).
Best regards
esociarius
For those with athermic front windscreens, place your BT GPS or TMC devices on the rear parcel shelf or attach to a sun/moon roof if you have one. An alternative position if you are a bit DIY is to place under the plastic in the aquarium between the bonnet and windscreen (usually has the windscreen wiper parts there too, needs power and insulation/ water proofing provided) tuck aerial along windscreen rubber).