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Ok so this is what i noticed has been happening with my phone...
I wake up in the morning and i unplug my phone from charger at 100% battery life...
after about 1-2 hours of no use (outside of occasional check of time) and no programs running i notice that 25% of life has diminished...
i have turned 3g off and done most of the kaiser tweak settings that help with battery life. for the rest of teh day i can use the phone and battery life runs normally but it seems the first 25 to 30% drops real fast without use
is everyone experiencing this? is it normal?
KP
The problem lies in your first sentence. "I wake up in the morning and unplug my battery." You are charging your battery too much thus killing it's battery life. I only charge my phone in the day while I'm at work. That way I can unhook it when it's fully charge. I would go on ebay and type in OEM battery Kaiser. You can pick one up for 15-30 dollars new.
From what I understand. Leaving your battery in the charger when it is fully charged should not damage the battery as long as its not there for an excessive amount of time but i might be wrong. Either way i have no way of charging the phone during the day as im on the go most of the time so this would mean even if i get a new battery it wont matter because it wile eventually do the same as i have only used this phone for about 3 or 4 months now. any other possibilities or solutions?
or should i just take it as it is and just buy a new battery maybe a bigger seido?
I thought Lithium ion batteries have overcharge protection. I charge mine overnight which I am sure a lot of others do also with no negative effects.
netboy said:
I thought Lithium ion batteries have overcharge protection. I charge mine overnight which I am sure a lot of others do also with no negative effects.
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I do... Maybe I shouldn't?
I would hope it has Overcharge Protection!!!
With NiCad Batteries if you overcharged them you would kill the life of the batteries.
And while all batteries do this LiIon are least tolerant. If you overcharge a LiIon battery, that is without Overcharge protection, the LiIon Battery with BURST INTO FLAMES! Thus the problem with the Sony Batteries that caused all those Laptop battery recalls.
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You are charging your battery too much thus killing it's battery life.
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Thats total BS with lithium batteries.
To the OP: Try running down your battery completely once, until the phone switches off by itself, then recharge fully. If you never do it and always recharge before the battery is empty the battery's power meter can lose its calibration over time and display weird things.
If it doesn't help, and you can notice a drop in overall life time you might need a new battery.
I have the exact same "problem" with my Tytn II.
Is slows down evenly though. (So the first 5 % of battery vanishes in minutes basically while the last 5 % can last for an hour, when it's half full % will last somehwere in between these two extremes).
Personally I've just interpreted this as poor measuring done by the hardware and/or software. (Ie I don't think the battery performs better the less full it gets as the meter in Windows would have me think)
kilrah said:
Thats total BS with lithium batteries.
To the OP: Try running down your battery completely once, until the phone switches off by itself, then recharge fully. If you never do it and always recharge before the battery is empty the battery's power meter can lose its calibration over time and display weird things.
If it doesn't help, and you can notice a drop in overall life time you might need a new battery.[/QUOTE
thanks ill try it out as soon as i get a chance...
kp
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may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
duke0102 said:
may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
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Hmm...I don't see how turning my phone off to charge would increase the charging rate dramatically. My phone in standby mode uses 1% every 2 hours.
depends highly on roms and especially on radios.
with a crappy rom, battery could drop as fast as 10% per hour.
with a decent rom, battery drops in standby mode at a rate about 2% per hour.
duke0102 said:
may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
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If the phone is on but on standby that barely changes a thing. If it's on, with display illuminated then yes it might take you an extra 20 minutes to charge.. no big deal either.
*UPDATE*
ok so i drained my battery last night completely(turned on navizon, tt7, and skyfire) which took me about at most 2 hours.
Put it in for a charge
woke up at 9 and checked to see and it was 100%
I have push mail set to update every hour and i also run pocket sportscenter autoupdates which updates every 10 to 15 minutes
I used the phone for 5 minutes of calls
5 minutes of web surfing
a few text messages
and the occasional time check
at 6:30 pm battery life was at an amazing 90%
i was thrilled.
i continued to surf the web heavily from 730 to 8
a few more text messages
at 9 battery was at 67%
so i gotta believe that draining the battery helped recalibrate it...
i guess every 2 or 3 months i got to drain it out and give a full charge
thanks for the help guys
really appreciate it
I think I might have a problem with my battery, but I'm not sure. I had it on the charger for 12 hours. So the battery should be full. When I took it off the charger, the status bar indicated that it had dropped down a notch. Is this normal? I was expecting the battery indicator to be fully shaded in white.
Ok. So I restarted the phone. Now the battery indicator is showing that it's completely full. Hmmm.
This happened to me too today. I'll try a reboot...
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Please remember that your battery needs some time to kick in and settle before you'll get full charges/power and correct indicators. If you just got your phone on Monday, wait about a week, and your phone should last longer and display more accurate approximation of battery life.
If it has been much past a week though, and your battery life is still significantly poor, then it may be your battery, device, or how you have the system configured.
I've commented on this a few times before, the same thing happens to me.
Its obviously a bug with the OS or something as I am now on my second HD7 and it does exactly the same.
let the phone battery drain out then let the phone charge completely with out using it. You will see a huge improvement on your battery life and the phone will charge alot quicker. That will also fix the battery indicator bug.
Ariel is right.
Remember for best optimization of any battery is when u use it 0% to 100% and then let is drain to 0% again.
i have the phone since a week with 5 charges i am not happy YET with the battery. Hope it opens up as ppl are saing.
I forced my battery dry a couple of times between charges using the HTC Flashlight app.
Run the app on maximum beam (you might have to wake it up every now and again) and the battery drains very quickly. I turned on wifi and set some music playing as well for good measure.
Then charge using the supplied charger rather than a PC USB connection. I'm not sure if that's meant to make a difference but mine charges up much faster that way.
Charging your phone through USB to PC always takes longer then using the charger
I'm getting about 15 hours of battery per charge. That's with moderate use (text messages, e-mail web browsing, a couple phone calls). This is MUCH better than when I first got my HD2. The battery would drain about 1% every 3 minutes. It was absurd. I'm pretty content with the battery life thus far. Windows Phone 7 is such a pleasure to use.
friend has an evo and he's trying to sell ot to get an hd7 lmao
Fuse8499 said:
I think I might have a problem with my battery, but I'm not sure. I had it on the charger for 12 hours. So the battery should be full. When I took it off the charger, the status bar indicated that it had dropped down a notch. Is this normal? I was expecting the battery indicator to be fully shaded in white.
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I got the HTC Surround and I noticed the same thing. After coming off a full charge (the whole night) I loose what looks like 5% of the charge within the first 5 minutes. Sometimes it's after as much as replying to a text.
Hopefully the battery has to 'settle in', as others have suggested.
Is anyone having this problem as well with their HD7?
I had my phone hooked up to my laptop last night recharging it and this morning I see that it is down to 32% already.
I know everyone was saying this phone wasn't that good on battery life but holy crap it cant be that bad!
Is this on my side or does the phone really burn through battery life? Oh and I"m running Deepshining.
Im running deepshining too, the phone drains battery but not that fast.
You might have following turned on
- Location
- 3G
- Data
- Wifi
If you turn these off, and em on as and when needed, the battery timing will be increased greatly.
Hope this helps
Thanks...I know it shouldnt have been that fast.
Can you perhaps tell me where to get into the comm manager? I cant seem to find it anywhere.
Also, bear in mind, the charge current from the Laptop USB port will not be very high, and certainly will not charge the device to the same standard as the wall charger...
Just took off my phone from the charger at 100% and it says i only have 10 hrs of battery life 12 if I have it on battery saver.
IS this normal?!?! It seems so low.
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Just took off my phone from the charger at 100% and it says i only have 10 hrs of battery life 12 if I have it on battery saver.
IS this normal?!?! It seems so low.
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i had to re caliberate my battery after the mango....
How does one recalibrate it? Sorry for so many questions its just on this phone almost everything is hidden.
Ok I have a Motorola Atrix HD running Cyanogenmod 10.1.3 and using the EB40 battery.
1. I would like to know what charger I should be using, I have the 850mA motorola charger that came with my phone, a 1amp pantech charger, a ONN 1.2amp charger and a 1.5amp off brand charger. Also how long should this battery take to charge?
2. I would like any tips or tricks to extend my battery life, my longest charge yet has lasted 26 hours of heavy use (im also running Juice Defender Ultimate) and I keep seeing people talking about getting 3-3 and a half days out of one charge.
3. Is there anyway to make my built in battery meter more accurate it doesnt seem to be reading this battery properly
On a side note, I accidently deep discharged my EB40 when i was running the initial charge out, and it was plugged and unplugged several times trying to get the phone to power back on, Im wondering if i damaged my battery and if so is there a way to fix it?
Sorry for the extremely long question any help would be greatly appreciated.
Wolfeman781992 said:
Ok I have a Motorola Atrix HD running Cyanogenmod 10.1.3 and using the EB40 battery.
1. I would like to know what charger I should be using, I have the 850mA motorola charger that came with my phone, a 1amp pantech charger, a ONN 1.2amp charger and a 1.5amp off brand charger. Also how long should this battery take to charge?
2. I would like any tips or tricks to extend my battery life, my longest charge yet has lasted 26 hours of heavy use (im also running Juice Defender Ultimate) and I keep seeing people talking about getting 3-3 and a half days out of one charge.
3. Is there anyway to make my built in battery meter more accurate it doesnt seem to be reading this battery properly
On a side note, I accidently deep discharged my EB40 when i was running the initial charge out, and it was plugged and unplugged several times trying to get the phone to power back on, Im wondering if i damaged my battery and if so is there a way to fix it?
Sorry for the extremely long question any help would be greatly appreciated.
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1. AHD could only pull 1A max. Beside good charger, you also need a good usb cable so that the power does not lost in transit. Install CurrentWidget to check how much power does your phone get while charging.
2. Minimum screen brightness, auto on/off data connection (LeanData app), undervolting? Battery consumption differs from phone to phone depending on how you use the phone, how good is your telco signal etc.
3. Perhaps you need to flash another rom? I'm on CM11 KitKat and the reading is fine. But battery life is not as good as stock JellyBean rom.
4. If your phone is dead after fully discharge, just leave it plugged in. after a while it will come to life.
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1. AHD could only pull 1A max. Beside good charger, you also need a good usb cable so that the power does not lost in transit. Install CurrentWidget to check how much power does your phone get while charging.
2. Minimum screen brightness, auto on/off data connection (LeanData app), undervolting? Battery consumption differs from phone to phone depending on how you use the phone, how good is your telco signal etc.
3. Perhaps you need to flash another rom? I'm on CM11 KitKat and the reading is fine. But battery life is not as good as stock JellyBean rom.
4. If your phone is dead after fully discharge, just leave it plugged in. after a while it will come to life.
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1.So the cable that came with the 1A pantech charger would be fine? what are the effects of using a small or larger charger? say the factory .85A? longer charge times?
2. Juice defender controls my screen brightness at roughly 40% normally (I have good eyes) data shuts off with screen unless traffic exceeds 100kb/s, undervolting? lots of social networking and texting, music player (rocket player), and a playing a power hungry game, 1-3 bars at home depending on were i put my phone, 4-5 bars else were
3. Is that stable or nightly? I only run stable roms due to my phone being my only source of internet and i have no back up phone
4. Good to know thanks :laugh:
Also on a 1A charger with quality cable CurrentWidget should be showing 1A(or 1000mA)? and were CurrentWidget shows battery current draw what is considered high?
sorry for all the question im kind of a noob to modding my phone i ran cyanogen mod on my OG Droid but never did any real modding on it phone ran faster and battery life actually increased, same on my AHD my battery life increased after flashing to cyanogenmod 10.1.3 i gained approx 3 hours over stock jellybean
pijes said:
1. AHD could only pull 1A max. Beside good charger, you also need a good usb cable so that the power does not lost in transit. Install CurrentWidget to check how much power does your phone get while charging.
2. Minimum screen brightness, auto on/off data connection (LeanData app), undervolting? Battery consumption differs from phone to phone depending on how you use the phone, how good is your telco signal etc.
3. Perhaps you need to flash another rom? I'm on CM11 KitKat and the reading is fine. But battery life is not as good as stock JellyBean rom.
4. If your phone is dead after fully discharge, just leave it plugged in. after a while it will come to life.
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Wow that LeanData app is amazing, It's a shame that can't get the EB40 battery because It couldn't ship to my country so I need to live with the EB20 one.
Juice Defender Ultimate controls Data on/off Sync Screen brightness and timeout sound profiles based on schedules, bluetooth and cpu governer and clock speed if your rooted theres also controls for gps and wifi but i never uses those, i paid like $7 for it but i think it was well worth it on EB20 and stock jellybean i was averaging 10-11 hours of heavy use which was way better than my out the box 6-7 when i flashed to cyanogenmod and ran that with juice defender it increased to 13-16 hours, after adding the EB40 battery my shortest charge has been 18.5 hours, i was realy hoping to hit the 30 hour mark with all the people talking about going 3 and a half days on 1 charge
Wolfeman781992 said:
1.So the cable that came with the 1A pantech charger would be fine? what are the effects of using a small or larger charger? say the factory .85A? longer charge times?
2. Juice defender controls my screen brightness at roughly 40% normally (I have good eyes) data shuts off with screen unless traffic exceeds 100kb/s, undervolting? lots of social networking and texting, music player (rocket player), and a playing a power hungry game, 1-3 bars at home depending on were i put my phone, 4-5 bars else were
3. Is that stable or nightly? I only run stable roms due to my phone being my only source of internet and i have no back up phone
4. Good to know thanks :laugh:
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1. EB40 is rated at 3200mAh (miliamp per hour). so in theory, a 1A charger will take 3.2 hours to fully charge it. a 2.1A charger will still take 3.2 hours. 0.85A charger will definitely take longer time. do correct me on this. and btw, AHD has the qualcomm quick charging feature built in. I'm guessing 3-4 hours to fully charge this phone from 0-100%.
2. Keep using JD if it already improves the battery life. when the phone gets 1-3 bars or in a place with low signal coverage, it will draw more power to get the coverage.
3. I think most KitKat rom based on the latest CM11 release are quite stable. you can read about them in the development threads.
i don't know if it was always this bad but i don't think so... just noticed that my phone drains battery like crazy on idle.
it was my main phone for 3 years so it was not staying idle as much but i think i would notice it from overnight drain if it was this bad.
i charged it to 80% then found it at 15% after 12-13 hours, i didn't touch it at all... i'm losing about 5% per hour
tried factory reset, debloating evenwell crap, uninstalling google apps that i don't use as well and didn't install anything yet the drain is still same. installed accubattery and it shows over 120mA consumption on idle, screen off... my new main phone drains around 20mA for example.
https://imgur.com/L16JjXW
this problem started after a battery replacement i think. the original battery was dead, it was rebooting at around 50% if i play a game or launch the camera... i had to replace that battery and those problems are solved now.
according to accubattery(it's pretty accurate imo) the capacity of the new battery is around 2650mah
and side button flex is replaced since my power button was faulty. did the service do something wrong? is there anything to explain this battery drain? maybe they didn't reapply a new thermal paste for example so cooling might be worse but i believe it shouldn't matter on idle. and i can't think of anything else...
edit: tried airplane mode and idle consumption was 22mA, anyone else had a similar issue?
edit2: tried mobile network active but wifi turned off, still 22mA i think wifi is draining like 100mA on its own...
okay i'm like 99% sure its a wifi problem.
when i turn off wifi the drain is normal if i turn on a hotspot from my other phone and keep it reaaaally close then drain is normal again. but if i put it far away drains over 100ma again. even worse if i leave the room and there a wall between them.
also i can connect to my router's 5ghz band but it always disconnects, can't stay connected. aaand it can't see my other phone's hotspot at all if i turn on the 5ghz hotspot.
i hope they just didn't connect the antenna cables properly and didn't permanently damage anything, can badly connected antenna wires cause a problem like that? i wanna be sure before opening the phone. i don't have proper glue yet i'll have to spend some money on it. don't wanna waste it if it's not something i can fix by reconnecting the wires...