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On my Tilt I usually dial via touchscreen using smart dialing on the standard keypad. I've disabled vibrating feedback for keypad presses but it's still abysmally slow and drops keypresses. Any advice?
Try disabling screen tap sound in settings. Check out kaisertweak and it's wiki if you are noting keyboard unresponsiveness in general.
gasman858 said:
Try disabling screen tap sound in settings. Check out kaisertweak and it's wiki if you are noting keyboard unresponsiveness in general.
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ooo.i have the same problem (i guess). But i have screen taps sounds disabled. i'm a complete newbie with pocket pc, And what exactly to do?
I have already disabled the tap sounds. I have Kaisertweak. Do you have anything in particular you could point out in the wiki for me?
Does your touchscreen work well in other programs? There is a known issue with this.
There are several settings in Kaisertweak listed under TouchFLO for sensitivity/finger pressure/sound and I believe nikagl has recently updated the xml adding extremely high settings for some of these. I think the .exe has also been updated.
Some users have turned off scrolling (TouchFLO/scroller) also in KaiserTweak to get the screen to respond a bit faster - that's a bummer if you like scrolling tho...
Make sure you soft reset after changing these values.
Cheers-
Touch works fine everywhere else. I've disabled TouchFlo and will see if that helps.
I've also read here that you can increase the screen sensitivity threshold, as explained above as follows: With Registry Editor (Resco), go to HKLM/drivers/touchscreen sensitivity something, increase the rate.
The new Mobile Shell 2.0 has its own sort of dialer that works perfectly without lag so it's obviously just bad coding for the standard dialer.
Having used the Shell lookup some more I've decided it's nice but it can't really replace the default dialer because the phone function is central to that screen. Does anyone know of a nice super-crisp dialer that also has smart dial?
i've been searching for an application that can make my phone vibrate on screen taps. i would try to use this instead of sound on screen tap because it looks like a good idea. so i'm very interested in this kind of app and i hope i'm not the only one.
during my search i found something called VibeTonz, but this does not come as a program, it is a feature built in some devices.
here on xda i found some threads about dialpad vibration and this thing works, so i think it would be possible to create something that would make phone vibrate on any screen tap.
P.S.: sorry for my bad english. hope you could at least understand what i'm talking about
yeah it would be cool to see something like this, the dial pad vib program is freaking sweet.
hmm.. yeaa that would be kinda cool. btw.. ur english is perfect
you mean something like this:
Phone pad vibrate when tapping numbers?
as i mentioned above, there is a cab like this on xda forums, but it only works for dialpad. what i need is something that could make the phone to vibrate on ANY screen tap. what i don't like about dialpad vibrate cab is that it makes the phone vibrate just as long as you keep dialpad number pressed,so if you just tap the number too fast there is no vibe or it is too short and so it's not suitable for fast typing. the thing that i would like to see would vibrate for fixed time (let's say 100ms) on any screen tap (including dialpad tap). i think this kind of touch screen response would make the use of it much easier and faster. but i can't know that because i didn't try this.
maybe if someone has a VibeTonz enabled phone could tell as about experiences with this kind of response?
anyway, thanks for your efforts and i'm glad to see there are some people supporting this thread and some interested in this.
I am searching for this app to, it would give great fingerpushing feedback. It will feel like pushing "real" buttons on your screen
About the vibrating dialpad: i thought i read somewhere that you can alter it so that it will vibrate instantly.
I second that!
I'd love this kind of app. My kaiser has particularly flat keys on the keyboard and there's no travel to them. So I stumbled across the dialer vibrate cab while looking for a solution. I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to mod that cab's registry entries to make it vibrate on any keypress, such as while typing... but so far no luck. A touchscreen vibrate cab would be awesome too. I think any program that is possibly developed should include settings for both the touchscreen and the keyboard.
Someone with a little spare time want to work on these ideas? Pretty please?
Bump!
I didn't have time to try this, but if you are interested here is the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425063
I have been using the kaiser since dec/2007 and not everything is working as expected.
Background - I have a second phone SE W880i and I am very satisfied with the user interface.
Do you think there will be ever an easy way to use the kaiser as phone such as a ordinary phone? I would expect the kaiser to be more than that...
Anyway, my questions are quite straightforward: (for now
1) How can I prevent the phone from waking up when I receive a text message? (because mostly something in my pocket touches the screen and calls my contacts)
2)How can I set up the function of the JOG (the wheel button on the side) (I would like to be able after holding the wheel a task manager to pop up and with the wheel to choose a running program and to activate it with a push of the wheel again)
3) Is there a dialer / dialer skin to enable really easy and accurate access of the number-pad with fingers?
If you know a program, solution or workaround, please let me know...
Edited: [First]Second Conclusion 14 September 2008
After reading the posts (see below), searching and testing I found a good solution for the Kaiser to fulfill its function as a phone using these components:
Dialer - Minimal dialer (fast, simple, easy to push the keys with fingers(thumb)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395086
Contats - iContact (either the original (now v0.8) or iContact BE (now v6.3.2b2) (very fast, finger friendly and has the functions you would expect)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395829
http://burt.vndv.com/
UI - PointUI 1.51a - it is very fast & smoothly, finger friendly and has most of the functions you would expect!
http://www.pointui.com/
http://forums.pointui.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=613 (customizing & tweaks - forum & links)
- on the same day I have posted the the above, I found a newly available UI
Touchflo2d/manilla - it is very fast & smoothly, finger friendly and much more rich on functions than PointUI. Also more rom&ram demanding! Its in beta but everything works ok (depends on your rom)! Now this is my choice!
original thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425851
other:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398173
(works only with htc devices)
->and if you use manilla, then a S2U2 is a very handy application for locking the keyboard.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=412418
All the applications are free (but you can, of course, donate .
Drawbacks:
Dialer
- only white schema, I prefer black because of the battery endrance
- not sure yet how to change the sound of keys to quiet ticks (the same sound you hear when you delete the whole number by holding the delete key)
Contacts - ??? not found any (yet
UI
PointUI
- it is not optimised for the kaiser, so you can't use for example the ok button to go back in menu.
- This is the most complex part and everyone expect different functions
- no real customization
Manilla - it is too early (still first beta) to judge
-I could not find any customizing tools...
-a bit too heavy (with all the applications)
If you know a solution for the Drawbacks or you have a different experience, please let me know.
I use ROMeOS 4.5.3
If you wanted to use the kaiser as an ordinary phone, why did you buy one? I can tell you don't even extend the functionality past texting and calling.
1) If you use the locking function, that wouldn't be an issue. (Slide 2 unlock is a great program for those who toss their expensive brick into their pocket).
2) AE button plus to launch the task manager of your choice. (You might want to set it to launch the task manager on hold so you can jog down to the item of choice and press it without launching task manager again).
3) There is a bunch of dialers in the development section of XDA-developers. A quick search will return probably the most popular. As for finger friendly, the default dialer is more than enough. But i do recommend you to check out other dialers.
Thanx for your reply.
I use the kaiser form many purposes - browsing web(which now with the last version of Opera is really nice to use), gps navigation, store notes, skype..
But I would expect that it should be at last as good as an ordinary phone to make calls.
I will try the AE buttons.
The keys: Firstly I thought the dialer is nice to use, but then I had an iPhone in my hand, and is more accurate when using the num-pad. But its only a sw issue...
fredbred said:
Thanx for your reply.
I use the kaiser form many purposes - browsing web(which now with the last version of Opera is really nice to use), gps navigation, store notes, skype..
But I would expect that it should be at last as good as an ordinary phone to make calls.
I will try the AE buttons.
The keys: Firstly I thought the dialer is nice to use, but then I had an iPhone in my hand, and is more accurate when using the num-pad. But its only a sw issue...
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I think the best dialer for the kaiser is Minimal Dialer
snachez said:
I think the best dialer for the kaiser is Minimal Dialer
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Hi, the Minimal dialer is really very nice. Although it could have a bit more functions assigned to the hw keys, its the nicest touch keyboard I have seen on my phone
Thank you!
first conclusion
After some searching and testing I found a good solution for the Kaiser to fulfill its function as a phone using these components:
Dialer - Minimal dialer (fast, simple, easy to push the keys with fingers(thumb)
Contats - iContact (either the original (now v0.8) or iContact BE (now v6.3.2b2) (very fast, finger friendly and has the functions you would expect)
UI - PointUI 1.51a - it is very fast & smoothly, finger friendly and has most of the functions you would expect!
All the applications are free (but you can, of course, donate .
Drawbacks:
Dialer
- only white schema, I prefer black because of the battery endrance
- not sure yet how to change the sound of keys to quiet ticks (the same sound you hear when you delete the whole number by holding the delete key)
Contacts - ??? not found any (yet
UI
- it is not optimised for the kaiser, so you can't use for example the ok button to go back in menu.
- This is the most complex part and everyone expect different functions
- no real customization
If you know a solution for the Drawbacks or you have a different experience, please let me know.
S2U took care of my pocket call issues. So even if it wakes the touch screen isnt gonna dial your contacts
I really enjoy this forum since it helps me a lot to increase the productivity with my HTC Touch Pro. I found many useful applications. Unfortunately, after installing a large number of them, I run into the infamous 32 processes limit of Windows Mobile. So I decided to write my own app that combines all the features that I find useful. It is implemented as a Pocket PC service, so it does not require an own process.
Here are the features:
- Better vibration for incoming calls. I found the built-in vibration function very annoying as it vibrates permanently during an incoming call. This extensions vibrates in pulses of 300 ms with a pause of one second when a call is incoming
- SIP changer depending on stylus state. If stylus is out, another soft input panel is selected as if stylus is in. Can be changed via the registry keys StylusInSIP and StylusOutSIP.
- Stroke Launcher. If the finger is stroked from one button to another, an application is launched.Four directions are possible: From home button to accept phone call button and vice versa as well as from back button to reject phone call button and vice versa. The applications can be configured via the RightUpApp, RightDownApp, LeftUpApp and LeftDownApp registry keys. The required length of the stroke can be configured via the GestureMinLen registry key. Unfortunately, the program has to poll HTC's NAV sensor directly in order to not disturb the functionality of the wheel sensor. The sleep time between two polls can be configured with the GesturePollingDelay (in ms). If you use very fast strokes and the device does not react, try to decrease this value.
- Key lock if device is face down. The key lock is activated and the device is powered off if it is turned face down. The key locked is acknowledged by two short vibrations. Key lock can be disabled depending on the foreground window or active process list. Exclude list can be specified via the ExcludedProcesses and ExcludedWindows registry keys. The tolerance for the face down detection can be configured via the FacedownTolerance registry key.
The registry settings for Buttler are stored in HKLM\Software\Butler. Each extension described above can be switched of by setting the EnableFeature registry key to 0.
As I have not much time to react on bugs or feature requests, I have also attached the source code. Fell free to modify my Butler but please publish it here so that we all can benefit from it.
The Butler service is started with the program "StartButler.exe" located in the Windows directory. I call it from a MortScript during device boot. It is important that HTC Touch Flo 3D is already loaded. For some reason, the gsensors can not be initialized if Touch Flo 3D is not loaded. Here is the code I use:
# Wait for TouchFlo3D
While(ProcExists("manila.exe")=0)
Sleep(1000)
EndWhile
# Start the butler
Run("\Windows\StartButler.exe")
Have fun!
Siggie
Change log:
V1.0:
- Initial release
V1.1:
- Reading of the NAV sensor completely rewritten. The sensor is now directly polled. This does not interfere with other programs, so the wheel sensor and the camera is working again.
- EnableFeature registry keys added for switching off each extension individually.
linuxis said:
New thread For Keyboard Slide Out Support:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3305730#post3305730
Updated CAB is there. Happy using.
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sounds like an excellent program, I'll try it
man, great app. it is totally replacing hbutton, and lets me start using voice commander again. two questions....can you list the other sip layout entries? i really want to use the full qwerty when the stylus is out and in. secondly, is there a way to define a diff lock such as s2u2 and then shut down. either way, the function is fine as is and really, thanks for sharing
I'm interest in Stroke Launcher more than the other apps. is there a chance you can provide a cab for just that portion of your application> I know it's contrary to your original intent (of combining apps) but that's the only one of those apps I really would want so I have the opposite- no desire to install any extra apps even if it's a single process Thanks.
about to give it a shot, sounds great
but i second the request to have s2u2 when put face down
noticed that if you delete the entries for sip, keeping the actual keys though. butler wont start. guess it still needs to check those values i was trying to get it to do nothing to my sip's and just keep full qwerty.
edit** here is the key for full qwerty {36BC8FF6-8241-4c36-ABDE-204885471FEE} and the other keys are all listed under HKCR/CLSID and look like this:
(HTC SIPs)
{198D503A-...} = Phone Keypad
{36BC8FF6-...} = Full QWERTY
{62B00599-...} = Compact QWERTY
(MS Default SIPs)
{42429667-...} = Keyboard
{42429690-...} = Letter Recognizer
{42429691-...} = Block Recognizer
{F0034DD0-...} = Transcriber
Maybe it would be easier to be able to just input the name
Sound great, I'll give it a try as well.
can you make it so that when it face down, the light turn off?
ok i figured out how to change what sip came when
and i turned off "facedown"
only problem is that the smart scroll such as zooming in opera and pics no longer works or autofocus in camera
Great app cannot go unrecognized!
so i downloaded and installed and forgot to make shortcut. A day after i just luanch it using fileexplorer with copy on storage card. Sounds like alot but considering i only reset once a week maybe... its not so bad.
After using it for a half day. I have to admit i was waiting for a way to use shortcuts with out using manilla. I am a RLtoday fan and i dont really use all of manilla features. I LOVE IT. I am considering removing Manilla all together. This has great potential for those of use that want alternatives to manilla.
This should really be placed in essentials.
Thank you.
**BTW cant get screen lock disabled, anyone have more detailed instructions for disabling face down lock?
to disable the lock i set the sensor threshold to 0
in the registry path that was said earlier in the thread
V1.1 available
I have added a new version that fixes the wheel sensor and camera problem. There are also now registry keys available to switch off each feature individually.
ok I dont know what happend but i installed this app and after a restart the keyboard pops up on the splash screen and the phone freezes.. I need a resolution fast. I really dotn want to hard reset. I have a lot of stuff i need back up.... Please help!!!
fuk it. had to hard reset.
any chance on just releasing stroke launcher as a standalone app so we don't need to install all and then disable them? Thanks
Exclude S2U2
How can I disable stroke launcher, when s2u2 is active? I tried to add S2U2(name of DWORD value=0) to ExcludedWindows and s2u2.exe to ExcludedProcesses, but stroke launcher is still active, any ideas?
Great App siggie1970,
Thanks .. I Think The most important thing to do now is to add a User Interface for the configuration..as it kinda hard to do it through the registry
thanks
Wow amazing programs are being released and 09 just started. Great name btw How are resources being used with this program? Since your combining apps perhaps you could work with the guy to incorporate his new alternative to gyrator/ screen tilt app.
bugsykoosh said:
any chance on just releasing stroke launcher as a standalone app so we don't need to install all and then disable them? Thanks
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that is not the purpose of the program
would it be possible to turn one of the sides into scrolling up and down?
like leave the left up and down for app launching but right side scrolling that would make it pretty much perfect for me
then of course a configurator, although i got it setup but no fun having to change on each new install
It sounds like a great program, thanks! Stroke Launcher, I like that one LOL
Ok, first to the admins/moderators - I searched my ass off trying to find a thread with my problem, to no avail... so if there is one, please excuse me...
So here is my problem - I find it very difficult to scroll any list with my finger because I just end up selecting some item from the list... Is there any registry setting to, lets say, delay the select behavior of TouchFlo? I mean, for example, I try scrolling my contacts, I AM able to scroll but almost immediately after I start scrolling I end up selecting some contact!?! Am I the only one with that problem? PLEASE HELP!
Bump. Anyone?
I just have the problem the other way around, I just can't select multiple items because everything starts scrolling...
try scrolling with finger in more center of screen
selecting works if you scroll motion on left or right side usually
joshkoss said:
try scrolling with finger in more center of screen
selecting works if you scroll motion on left or right side usually
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Also , make it more of a " flick " with your finger, instead of a touch and drag scroll.
So there's no registry setting? I have tried changing settings in HKLM\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings, HKLM\Software\HTC\HTCGesture, HKLM\Drivers\Touchpanel, HKLM\Software\HTC\TouchScroll... can't seem to make any difference!!! The screen becomes more responsive, scrolling is faster/slower, but no effect on my problem - whenever I try to scroll I always end up selecting... there HAS to be some setting that determines the delay from scrolling to selecting behavior... it works so well on the damn iPhone... also works beautifully on the S2U2 settings screen... they should fire all the idiots at HTC and hire the S2U2 guys to do their interface!!!
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So there's no registry setting? I have tried changing settings in HKLM\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings, HKLM\Software\HTC\HTCGesture, HKLM\Drivers\Touchpanel, HKLM\Software\HTC\TouchScroll... can't seem to make any difference!!! The screen becomes more responsive, scrolling is faster/slower, but no effect on my problem - whenever I try to scroll I always end up selecting... there HAS to be some setting that determines the delay from scrolling to selecting behavior... it works so well on the damn iPhone... also works beautifully on the S2U2 settings screen... they should fire all the idiots at HTC and hire the S2U2 guys to do their interface!!!
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u should blow up their forums then
Oh well, I guess I'll just wait till some genius dev out there finds out the right registry key, I give up
I hate to say this, but I think that is the expected behavior or TouchFlo scrolling.
You can drag to scroll specifically (and I don't believe this selects anything, at least on my Tilt), or you can swipe to start kinetic scrolling. If you click while kinetic scrolling is occurring, I think TouchFlo causes a selection to be made (although in places where single-click activate is the default, I don't think it actually activates the item--it simply highlights it).
You may be able to resolve this by changing the TFLOSettings\FingerPressure value.
I had a problem for the first six months with TouchFlo where the context menu would pop up about one in three times I tried to scroll (swiping or dragging). This happened even the moment I started using the device. Completely and utterly unusable. But after the third or so time I tried adjusting TFLOSettings values in the registry, I finally solved the problem. I ended up with TFLOSettings\FingerPressure=0x64 (100) and TouchPanel\PressureThreshold=0xC8 (200).
I REALLY wish HTC or someone would produce a complete guide to customizing TouchFlo scrolling (including the meanings of the TFLOSETTINGS values). It really works well, once it is optimized. Although, it will be great if Microsoft builds scrolling into the Common Controls in WM6.5.
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Oh well, I guess I'll just wait till some genius dev out there finds out the right registry key, I give up
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Actually there are genius developers in here. I think you're just being a little picky, the touch flo works fine for me.
I think I recall a touchflo sensitivity setting in KaiserTweak. Get it, then try setting the Touchflo sensitivity to the most sensitive option possible.
Dave
+1 on Kaisertweek, altho I reduced sensitivity instead of increasing it. Technique counts too. I tend to use nails or stylus for browsers, especially Opera. Use keyboard for contacts, and scrollwheel to dial it from there. Every phone is different, but reducing sensitivity via Kaisertweek worked for me.
Problem solved
Finally figured it out and now it works perfectly. The culprit was the too high value in HKLM\Drivers\Touchpanel\PressureThreshold.... I put a value of 160 (dword:000000a0) and now I have almost iPhone experience
heres a thread closer !
to bring some closure to this thread, the following utility will solve all your touchflo woes!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=499837