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Separate radio for 3G?

Are there two physical radios in the Tilt/TyTN II? I ask because I'm experiencing a strange problem that nobody else seems to have seen before. That, or nobody noticed my posts here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335096
The problem is that phone/data work fine when the phone is in non-3G mode. (In the Comm Manager, available in most recent ROMs, I have disabled the 3G mode, so I'm using only GSM here in the US).
In 3G mode, I'll get a 3G icon (used to get an H, months ago), but will be unable to place/receive calls, and no data connections will be established -- they'll all time out or say that "the answering modem has disconnected."
So, back to my question: is it possible that my radio is partly damaged? Can that happen? I'm not sure how else to explain the utter lack of 3G on my phone.

can't have a damaged radio, you could have the wrong radio for the device and/or version of windows mobile. 3g only works if in 3g area,have it enabled and turned on through comm manager.also make sure you're network settings are correct and make sure phone is set to auto in networks tab in phone settings,not set to gsm/cdma
PS, the search tool/wiki are you're friends since this has been covered too many times

dyetheskin said:
can't have a damaged radio, you could have the wrong radio for the device and/or version of windows mobile. 3g only works if in 3g area,have it enabled and turned on through comm manager.also make sure you're network settings are correct and make sure phone is set to auto in networks tab in phone settings,not set to gsm/cdma
PS, the search tool/wiki are you're friends since this has been covered too many times
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Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, I've tried everything I can think of, and everything suggested. Nearly ever ROM I've seen, with nearly every radio; every combination of wap.cingular, isp.cingular, etc. The AT&T store thinks the phone is defective b/c they can't figure it out, either. In response to your comments: tried every version of windows mobile and most of the radios available; I'm very much in a HSDPA 3G area (used to get 5 bars "H" all the time); 3G is enabled; network settings are correct; phone is set to auto/auto.
Any other ideas, anyone? I appreciate it!

I've been have the same exact problem. I posted about it about a month and a half ago, but got nothing.
Everything worked perfectly until one day, out of nowhere, 3G stopped working for me. I've also tried multiple radios and ROMs and to no avail. The weird thing is that when it stopped working, nothing had been changed in months.
I know that I'm definitely in a 3G coverage area because I used to get 3G service all the time.
If I turn 3G on, it'll work in an edge only area, but as soon as it switches over to WCDMA, the problems occur.
This is super aggravating.

AndyNJ said:
I've been have the same exact problem. I posted about it about a month and a half ago, but got nothing.
Everything worked perfectly until one day, out of nowhere, 3G stopped working for me. I've also tried multiple radios and ROMs and to no avail. The weird thing is that when it stopped working, nothing had been changed in months.
I know that I'm definitely in a 3G coverage area because I used to get 3G service all the time.
If I turn 3G on, it'll work in an edge only area, but as soon as it switches over to WCDMA, the problems occur.
This is super aggravating.
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Well, the good part is, you're not alone. I found another forum online (can't remember where, I'm at work now and I found it last night) were several people were having the exact same problem -- in various countries around the world, including the US.
They had decent luck flashing the stock HTC ROM and then the French radio mentioned on the big XDA radio post (search google for "kaiser radio" and you should see it). However, I did the same and still have the 3G problem.

did you try using a shipped att rom and see if you still have this problem? if the problem goes away, then maybe its just a rom/radio mismatch problem. if it doesnt, then its more likely a hardware failure.

I'm in france, and since few days, i've the same problem, and i haven't change the radio. the phone is going for repair.
link to my post

XtreMe_G said:
did you try using a shipped att rom and see if you still have this problem? if the problem goes away, then maybe its just a rom/radio mismatch problem. if it doesnt, then its more likely a hardware failure.
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Yep -- I've tried going all the way back to the original ROM and radio. No go.

yeantbron said:
I'm in france, and since few days, i've the same problem, and i haven't change the radio. the phone is going for repair.
link to my post
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Can you keep us posted on what happens when it comes back? If it's really a hardware problem, many inquiring minds would love to know.
Bonne chance!

chaosniner said:
Are there two physical radios in the Tilt/TyTN II? I ask because I'm experiencing a strange problem that nobody else seems to have seen before. That, or nobody noticed my posts here:
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As mentioned in this thread, some shipments of the TyTN II have faulty hardware with broken 3G support.
No patch or driver update can fix this because it is a hardware problem. I experienced exactly the same issue with my first TyTN II and finally replaced it with a new device which works flawlessly out of the box.
I believe you should also better get your device replaced if you ever want to use 3G.

Can you keep us posted on what happens when it comes back? If it's really a hardware problem, many inquiring minds would love to know.
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Yes of course !

Well, 4 days to receive my phone !!
and they have changed :
_motherboard
_antenna
and MAJ rom and radio
Version de ROM : 1.56.163.8 ===> 1.56.163.9
Date de ROM : 09/04/07 ===> 10/15/07
Version de radio : 1.27.12.11 ===> 1.27.12.32
Version de protocole : 22.45.88.07H ===> not changed

are you saying you have gotten your phone back? is it working now?

3G Issues still - Help needed!

Hey all,
I've had my TyTn II for a while now and everything's been ok.
I recently upgraded my rom, from an old Duttys rom to a new one, since doing that my phone would not pick up signal at all - I couldn't phone and people couldn't phone me - it looked like my phone had reception but the second I went to call all the bars dropped off.
I posted on here. - It's the radio people assured me. I swapped radios. 1 million times.
Everytime, the 3g would work for a few hours and then the same problem.
I decided it was the rom. I installed a different duttys rom yesterday, and low and behold, the phone worked. Calls, tinterwebs the works.
Got home. Same old problem.
The one thing that links the roms is they're both Windows 6.1.
I'm using a MDA Vario 3 on T-Mobile UK.
Can anyone help me?

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No one had this before? Or any ideas? Seriously, if someone solves this I'll paypal them £20 as a thanks - it's getting on my nerves THAT much!

bazzlad said:
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No one had this before? Or any ideas? Seriously, if someone solves this I'll paypal them £20 as a thanks - it's getting on my nerves THAT much!
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If you want to stick with WM6.1 do as follows:
(i hope you've got HARDSPL...)
Run the TriColor mode and install radio same as i do (signature)
when it start to restarts hold the camera button so you can boot tricolor again without loading rom.
Install your favorite ROM,
When everything is configured, run Connection setup again and restart your phone. Test it.
If it still doesent give anything it could problem with some third party apps or your device itself.
You can try my configuration it works perfectly for me.
Cheers,
Chris

Giving that a go today - will chuck you over some $$$ wonga if it works! Thanks.

I hope that everything will work fine for you. Im always happy to help.
Cheers,
Chris

Tried - No joy - but thanks - anyone else got any ideas?

I have a similar issue. On my 3rd phone now (Orange) due to phone not connecting in 3g mode to make calls. Seems to be an issue where it fails to switch automatically between GSM and 3G, although it often shows there is a network connection (even though there isn't - really anoying).
However, by turning off hsdpa it finally seems (6 hours or so) to stay connected to the network and able to make calls. Can anyone else with the same problem try this?
I don't enough about hsdpa to understand why having it switched on should make a difference, unless it changes the functionality of the radio. Suggestions welcomed.

You may have a faulty handset.
Exactly the same problem as my friend experienced with his MDA Compact 2. I tried flashing new ROMS and it seemed to fix it but in time he'd begin to suffer from a disappearing signal bar and random dropouts before, during and after calls.
You could try turning your network to GSM only and see if that makes a difference. I'm on T-Mobile and I know that last week I couldn't use my phone in 3G mode for 36 hours or more owing to a network problem in my area, gsm worked fine though.

not convinced about the faulty handset although it is a possibility.
I am starting to think that with the hsdpa enabled it somehow changes the way data and voice calls are handled.
Really could do with some opinions on hsdpa and whether enabling it or disabling it changes the functionality of the phone or the interaction with the networks

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No one had this before? Or any ideas? Seriously, if someone solves this I'll paypal them £20 as a thanks - it's getting on my nerves THAT much!
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Just search a bit in the Kaiser forum, quite a few people (including me) have had similar problems. Radio hardware on some units is faulty and requires return to service center for repair.
The radio starts by not being able to send/receive calls/data on 3G while it still works on GSM, then later GSM will eventually fail too.

T-mobile have had problems with there 3G in the last week in northern Uk. I am still getting a few problems each day as you describe. I dont know, but I am assuming they are doing some repairs

kilrah said:
Just search a bit in the Kaiser forum, quite a few people (including me) have had similar problems. Radio hardware on some units is faulty and requires return to service center for repair.
The radio starts by not being able to send/receive calls/data on 3G while it still works on GSM, then later GSM will eventually fail too.
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Still, my experience is that there maybe faulty hardware out there, but by disabling hsdpa everything is fine. I'm currently making plenty of calls on 3g network, dowloading lots of data on 3g network. My previous problems were when the handset showed it was connected to the 3g network when it wasn't able to take or make calls or download data. Before, the only thing I had tried was manually selecting GSM in the connection settings.
I'm not saying that disabling hsdpa is a good thing or a solution, just that it might help some smart person to identify what is going wrong.
Any help out there?

Xperia Radio Update My Location Problem

Hi,
Ever since i upgraded to Xperia Radio 1.16, i've been experiencing a major issue with My Location function on multiple roms...it does not seem to update...does anyone have a solution for this or any troubleshooting ideas?
I tried the following:
- reflashed the old 1.14 and reflashed different roms...PROBLEM EXISTED
- reflashed the default spl and did a sony rom update to default rom, then reflashed spl and reflashed different roms...PROBLEM EXISTED.
- tried using googlemaps on each rom and then used My Location...PROBLEM EXISTED
- tried enabling/disabling My Location....PROBLEM EXISTED
- tried enabling aGPS/disabling aGPS....PROBLEM EXISTED
- tried combination both 1.16 + 1.14 rilphone....PROBLEM EXISTED
- tried adding my home town in my location and tried updating, it updates only the towns i put and not the My Location one....which i think is using data to update and my location uses either gps or agps....PROBLEM EXISTED
I think its either i fried something in the firmware where the aGPS is located...or since i flashed the radio without unlocking the xperia it might have corrupted it ?? Do we need to unlock the xperia before updating the radio?
Any one with ideas, please?
Thanks.

state which ROMs your having the problem with, i don't believe you have to unlock your phone. and if all your other "phone" functions work then i don't think the radio is your problem. also do you hard reset after each ROM flash? try that too. is this only over Data connection or is it via wi-fi too etc.

Sorry,
I've tried the following roms, with a hard reset even sometimes i did it twice.
Valkyrie v.5.5 21889 & 21885
EnergyRom Leo & Phoenix both 21889
Touch-IT BL Landscape 21889
I thought it was only with these new versions (21889) and tried a rom (EnergyRom Phoenix 21885 Dec 14th) which i had My Location working before the radio update the first time...it was working fine....but now i am using it on a daily basis and it has this problem, it just wont update...only rarely if i play around with settings and reset the xperia, it might work but 85% time it fails....
All other functions work...
i have not tried it over Wifi...i have 6GB data plan on Rogers Wireless Canada...it use to work with it on this same rom with radio 1.14, which is what i am on now....i never went back to 1.16 after the problem started!
thx for your help....

have you started google maps service for once? my location is part of google service, once you connect gsm to your provider, run google maps, click to agree their terms and condition, you are set.

yeah i did...tried that long time ago because i found it on one of the threads....still doesn't connect...on occasion it mite...but 85% it wont.....how does the My Location pull the information data? or aGPS? or GPS alone....

I'm using TouchX 10.9.1 "Nuts!", which supports the my location service. I'm having no trouble at all with the location service with radio version 1.16.25.48, so I would suggest your problem exists elsewhere.

djromeo said:
yeah i did...tried that long time ago because i found it on one of the threads....still doesn't connect...on occasion it mite...but 85% it wont.....how does the My Location pull the information data? or aGPS? or GPS alone....
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what i thought is that once you connect to gsm provider, it will give your bts location which this info then fed to google maps service, hence weather info on that location. If you're going somewhere, weather info will be updated based on where your position at that time.
But i might be wrong ...try it - it is important that you click to agree during google map service setup.

yeah....i flashed the ROM then did a hard reset...then waited until the Connection wizard finished....then went to Googlemaps...agreed to all the information...even used gps function to locate me on the map. Then closed it and went to weather tab and hit update....it just updates the default cities and fails on My Location.....
I did not try WM 6.1 Roms just because i dont like it...but if it works on it i might try it later...and let you know...thank you for the information

Not a fan of 6.1? Personally I find 6.5.x to be comparatively unstable (After trying various roms, valkyrie, touch-it BL LS, etc, after recieving multiple crashes and/or reboots per day. MrRusch's TouchX 10.9.1 "Nuts!" is stable beyond any reasonable expectation, it's fast, and it's freakin' sexy.

Exact same problem started occuring for me just after midnight yesterday. Everything was working fine beforehand. I am using 1.16 /1.14 DLL and Valkyrie 5.5 23518

Same problem with 3G, fine with GPRS/EDGE

same problem in Touch X Nuts version with WM 6.1....the rom is very fast though and simple.... Something to note though is that it doesn't even come with Googlemaps pre-installed and the weather update worked and then stopped...after a reset...

issue could be in the cell tower you are connecting to. I have similar issue here - I am in Toronto, when I am at home, my phone initially thinks I am in downtown Montreal (until GPS taxes fix). That does not happen once I step into another cell tower (location works fine everywhere else). This started happening couple of months ago during the night. Similar experience to poster above. I suspect it is due to misconfigured stuff in the cell tower that serves me.

ok..i think its true about this tower problem...its been happening recently as well ever since Rogers started using HSDPA for their data connections in Ontario....i live in Hamilton Ontario....whenever i update using HSDPA i SOMETIMES get MY Location to point to ONTARIO but never to Hamilton..but on trying the above users tip (Switching to EDGE/GPRS) it seems to work 100% of the time with 100% accuracy...it says Hamilton...i just cant use EDGE here because its killing my battery....anyone have a solution to turn off EDGE like you can turn HSDPA off in the tweaks...i tried using the registry hack & tweaking using HD Tweak but neither work.....
Thank you guys for solving this issue...i hope ROGERS fixes their tower issue or we get an update to our phones that can make it work with HSDPA...
THX

I'm gonna suggest something, thats probably been tried.
Run QuickGPS and get the latest satellite info and try to update my location again.

Hi TS. I believe this is a problem that exist in WM6.5.3 ROMs... I tested a few and I was facing the same problem as u. Once I reverted back to older roms... my location we shown properly...

the My Location feature, has NOTHING to do with GPS.
It uses Cell location ID that finds your location based on where you are in proportion to the Mobile phone Tower(s?) your connected to. then this gets fed into Google which gives it a location to search

On some of the newer roms (Valkyrie being amongst them) you have to enable location service as it is not on by default. Just click weather tab and then menu and then enable the service.

djromeo said:
ok..i think its true about this tower problem...its been happening recently as well ever since Rogers started using HSDPA for their data connections in Ontario....i live in Hamilton Ontario....whenever i update using HSDPA i SOMETIMES get MY Location to point to ONTARIO but never to Hamilton
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LOL. Thanks for figuring out that I'm not nuts. I was alternatively getting locations in downtown Toronto or downtown Montreal for no rhyme or reason. Good to know that Ancaster is still near Hamilton and not in Quebec.

I am using Valkyrie ROM, and I have the same problem: cannot update my location in this ROM via GPRS or 3G, but I can still suft Web smoothly via 3g or GPRS and update location via Wifi.
Can anyone solve this problem?

Phone constantly on G instead of 3G since yesterday and also wifi doesn't connect!!

Hi guys,
Since yesterday morning my phone has been on G (edge/gprs) only instead of 3G (hsdpa) like it was almost always before. I'm on voda uk with good 3g signals in London and phone is showing -51 to -65 dBm (22-31 asu) which i think is good.
Also my wifi that always worked is also not connecting anymore...what gives? Regarding wifi i mean it connects but home page doesn't load any more on constantly refreshing even once. It does on my laptop on same wifi signal.
I have just updated normal apps like handcent sms/linda manager etc. since yesterday and restarted phone many times and done nothing drastic...so why these data problems all of a sudden?? Thanks
Carrier: Vodafone UK
Country / Language: English (UK)
OS / Browser / build number (if applicable): update 1 - stock rom

Tried soft reset by pulling out battery...on restart phone showed 3g for a second before wifi kicked in...still no page load...after switching off wifi it again went to G only!! Damn I don't wanna have to lose and reinstall all data/apps!! This so irritating..I love this fone and this is how it treats me!

Lunacy!
Now the fone automatically goes to 3G UMTS/HSDPA (wifi off) but with atrocious signal strengths of 0 dBm or -111 dBm with 1 or no bars!!!
I always get awesome signals in my room arnd -55 to -69 dBm and all 4 bars so what the hell is going on!!
Is this vodafone's issues or my N1 is dying slowly!?

Back to G n no wifi use!
Any help anyone?? please!

Not sure how to help you, but I thought I'd mention this if it's at all related:
my phone has twice now shown that it's on Edge connection, but run at 3G speeds. Not sure what the bug is but I ran a speedtest and was able to stream Pandora and browse the web without any trouble.

thanks for that but i'd sure love to see some pro's to help me out!

sounds like a carrier issue... however if you are rooted, try reflashing your radio and see if that helps and you may want to try each radio out as well

wifi is working today with full signal but on mobila data it stays on G with full signal but 3G sometimes with 1 bar or no signal...wtf!

cyborg_001 said:
wifi is working today with full signal but on mobila data it stays on G with full signal but 3G sometimes with 1 bar or no signal...wtf!
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When was the last time everything worked correctly? What have you do with your phone since then (different rom, different radio flash, new mods that alter system files, etc)? Have you tried calling your carrier to see if they are having problems in your region?

Nandroid backup, factory restore, reflsh cyanogen, test. If it works again you've got some bad setting stored. I can't help you find that setting but at least you've narrowed it down.

If this is affecting your wifi, then it's not a carrier issue. It's something with your phone.

deprecate said:
When was the last time everything worked correctly? What have you do with your phone since then (different rom, different radio flash, new mods that alter system files, etc)? Have you tried calling your carrier to see if they are having problems in your region?
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2 days ago all was well. I just updated linda manager/handcent sms and 1-2 apps from market. I'm on stock rom so no radio etc. for me and I don't mess with system files and keep my phone clean by clearing caches etc. Thanks anyway.

sinbot said:
Nandroid backup, factory restore, reflsh cyanogen, test. If it works again you've got some bad setting stored. I can't help you find that setting but at least you've narrowed it down.
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Thanks mate but I'm on stock rom so no cyanogen/nandroid etc. for me!

uansari1 said:
If this is affecting your wifi, then it's not a carrier issue. It's something with your phone.
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I suppose so...but this is quite odd considering all worked super before and I haven't done anything! Stock rom!

cyborg_001 said:
I suppose so...but this is quite odd considering all worked super before and I haven't done anything! Stock rom!
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Do a factory reset or a full wipe through recovery. If that doesn't resolve the issue, then let us know.

[Q] random signal loss on all froyo roms.....

hi guys, ive flashed a couple of different froyo roms and decided to stick to FroyoRedux 1.5
reason for all this reflashing.......when using 3G networks i randomly get no signal for about 2 minutes and then its back again. im not too sure why this is happening and wondering if anyone else encountered the same problem?
there seems to be no problem with 2G networks but being on 2G is lame and makes mobile internet kinda pointless.
BTW problem still persists in FroyoRedux 1.5
phone specs are in the sig (if you wanna know what im using)
cheers!

Had this issue on my kaiser running froyo also, went to an older radio which fixed it, and amazingly enough, the same happened on my G1, and the same step fixed it.
Using radio 2.22.23.02 I had regular 'no signal' issues, going back to 2.22.19.26I solved it for me, I still get signal loss on occasion, but only in known very low signal areas,

hmmm interesting, im gunna give this a try and see what the outcome is.
did u just flash the old radio file over your current one or did you use a specific procedure?