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Quick Question... hard reset & hardSPL

iv just hard reset my phone to clear off all the programs & rubbish id accumulated over the last month of having my phone. When i hard reset it, will i have cleared hardSPL etc, or am i alright just flashing duttys rom again straight away?
cheers guys

anyone? thanks

Everytime I´ve made a hard reset with a custom rom it has stayed there and the HardSPL as well. If I´m not mistaken you will not go back to stock rom because you´ve overwrtitten it with the custom rom and thefore the custom rom will boot up again BUT with all settings, installed programs and other changes you´ve made cleared. So if you had Duttys rom and made a hard reset you will still have Duttys rom.

I reset the device by going into settings, system and then clear data and afaik it has reset it to the HTF default, cant see any mention of duttys ROM. Also noticed the phone to be much much slower.
is it likely to be the HTC ROM or duttys ROM that im currently left with?

hardspl stays... thats why its called hardspl. it resists hard resets.

thanks for the response, just what i wanted to hear!

Andehh said:
thanks for the response, just what i wanted to hear!
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no problem may i recommend kaiser wiki? so u can learn more about ur device.

Hard reset after ROM upgrade?

Really dumb question. I am about to install the HTC WM 6.1 ROM. I checked the Wiki and FAQs and they mention doing a hard reset before flashing. i'm sure though I saw a mention somewhere about doing one AFTER flashing too but am blowed if I can find it now. Is it necessary? My thinking is that the ROM flash will totally blitz the device anyway so no further reset is needed???

Its just a recomendation, you dont have to personally do it yourself. It's just there for if you want to. Personally I do it just so I know that everything is okay after my initial install its up to you.

Yeah it's necessary to hard reset after upgrading. Check the last last couple of paras of THIS for further info.

The Reaper said:
Yeah it's necessary to hard reset after upgrading.
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It says it clears most problems, well I never have too many problems with mine so. I guess do what it says.

You'll find that your device will run better on a new rom if it hard reset immediately after flashing. Also, on a lot of the newer 6.1 roms, it is also recommended that you also power down the device after flashing

Weird Problems & Diamond almost dead (software/ROM)

Some days ago, i've flashed my phone to get an "up-to-date" ROM. I chose "PDACornerIllusion 21139" of 2009.03.06. All went fine excepting the keyboard of my GPS wont work anymore (dunno why of course), so i re-flashed with another ROM.
I was surprised that my phone kept the CornerIllusion BootScreen, but i didnt care.
All of a sudden, after having soft reset the ROM i chose (the 2nd one), for an installation of some proggie. The ROM restart as brand new asking me to reset the screen, the clock, date etc... losing all my content and customizations. Then i couldnt sync with Outlook after the first sync i've done minutes ago (error code 800004005). I've decided to soft-reset the phone, and now, TF3D wont even start, (it selft tries to start several times, then gives up), AND the programs lists is all broken, no shortcuts left and the games folder is named *h1/4Eg+ç^, nothing works anymore.
I flashed with about 4 roms (including Aztor one), resulting in the same mess.
Does it have something to do with the first one "PDACornerIllusion 21139" and its still remaining BootScreen?
Can i flash my phone from its roots, to get rid of this ?
As it's maybe not the "fault" of PDACornerIllusion, i write this in this section of the Diamond general thread and made a double post at PDACornerIllusion development thread

I suggest you perform a hard reset before flashing any new rom and that you use the traditional "flash-from-PC-using-ActiveSync-connection" method to flash.
And above all I wish you luck!

What was the other ROM you flashed? I am curious.
rondol1 suggests you hard reset prior to flashing a new rom. I suggest you hard reset after flashing a new rom. Net result is probaby much the same. You could even just do a hard reset now with whatever is loaded and things will probably improve. Main thing is...whenever you flash a rom do a hard reset straight after loading it. I always do this religiously and with the exception of one recent rom I tried I have never had a problem.

First of all, thank you both for trying to suggest hints, i really appreciate it.
I've never hard reset the ROM before or after having installed a new one. I never have a problem before.
For the last 2 months, i was on NEON 1.28, then i've decided it was time to update seeing the new features of the more up-to-date ROMs
I've just reflashed it (an hour ago) with PDACornerIllusion 21139, i've hard reseted before and after. let's see how it turns out ....
I've tried NATALY, CLOUDY, MORNA & AZTOR, no luck with any of them, all died after a soft reset or after the 1st sync (reconnecting for a 2nd sync).
Maybe the problem comes from the very root of the phone (like BIOS in a PC, dunno), maybe something in there got corrupted. How to repair it if my guess exists and is it repairable?

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I've never hard reset the ROM before or after having installed a new one.
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There in lies the problem.
I bet you will be fine from now on. Don't ask why you need to do the hard reset - as no one has been able to give a definitive answer - But it is a well known step that many chefs recommend post flash - just do it from now on and you wont regret it.

logger said:
There in lies the problem.
I bet you will be fine from now on. Don't ask why you need to do the hard reset - as no one has been able to give a definitive answer - But it is a well known step that many chefs recommend post flash - just do it from now on and you wont regret it.
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completely agree with logger - hard reset after you flash any ROM. I haven't used PDACorner - so can't say for sure... but do the flash via CustomRUU once... when the new ROM is flashed... do a hard reset as soon as it's complete..
good luck!

let's see then, >>>>crossing fingers<<<<

I've had this happen a lot lately as well. Might have something to do with the newer SYS? Anyway, hard reseting hasn't always fixed it for me. However, flashing back to the Sprint stock ROM (or HTC stock for you GSM guys) then flashing a new custom ROM has always done the trick. Maybe because the stock ROMs are bigger and "clean" out the memory somehow? At any rate, flash stock and then you're good to go. No permanent damage.

no luck, after a 2nd soft-reset, the phone is asking "touch the screen to configure for the 1sy use blablabla", all data's lost again & again...
what do you mean by stock Rom ? the rom that came with my phone when i've bought it ?

I've got the same problem with the Diamond rebooting like a hard-reset. But I always did a hard-reset after a fresh install. I blamed it on the rom and tried several others, including donsalari's "Clean Basic Rom", the Gen.Y Sense 2.1 and 2.5 versions and an older Aztor rom. Same problem every time, the first reboot after changing the device locale works fine, then I set the whole phone up properly and on the next reboot it will come up as if had performed a hard reset.
Additionally, the file system on my internal storage got corrupted somehow, had to reformat. At some point, I also had the impression that data on the phone memory got lost gradually. First the Contact's numbers got replaced by some nonsense characters, then there were numbers and contacts missing, and finally I had no contacts at all. ActiveSync stopped working so I was in the middle of a trip without my phonebook...
I've got two hypotheses:
1) The Gen.Y bootloader messed with the phone (Had tried the Sense 2.5 Gen.Y rom before donsalari's)
2) Flash controller or Flash itself is broken
@dunnno: I suggest you rename the thread to something like "diamond hard-resets on 2nd reboot after rom install"
edit: oops, just realised I resurrected a very old thread... Maybe there's a fix already?

My diamond still suffers from this problem. I tried it again and again with different roms but everytime, at some point all my configuration is lost and the diamond reboots like after a fresh install. Can anyone please help?

I'm having this problem as well :|
Grr, I have to rely on my phone for so much, but it just doesn't want to work correctly.
Help is immensely appreciated.

Well, I got mine to work, I just flashed the stock HTC ROM and everything has gone back to normal. H3PO, I suggest you give that a shot if you are still having problems.

I had these problems when I first started flashing my Diamond with custom roms.
Now I always flash my carrier stock rom first, then hard reset, then flash custom rom, then hard reset and I never have any problems. I have no idea why flashing the stock rom first stops the problems but I haven't had any problems with the dozens of roms I've flashed using this method.
Also I always flash from internal storage, but others prefer using MTTY

I still have some problems with the Contact Database, but flashing some stock O2 Rom solved the "reboot as new" problem.

Hard reset after flashing- myth or truth

Hi,
just because i don´t understand why i should hardreset after a flash, i wanted to open a thread on this. Some people say you have to do it 2-3 times.
Because it doesn´t sound any logical to me i wanted to ask around, if anyone really has experienced a difference.
Maybe somebody adanced could even explain, if or if not this could do any difference.
If it finally does: When do you do it? Before Windows says it is going to do some adjustments and wants to softreset or after?
Thx in advance to help me clarifing this,
nearlygod

nearlygod said:
Hi,
just because i don´t understand why i should hardreset after a flash, i wanted to open a thread on this. Some people say you have to do it 2-3 times.
Because it doesn´t sound any logical to me i wanted to ask around, if anyone really has experienced a difference.
Maybe somebody adanced could even explain, if or if not this could do any difference.
If it finally does: When do you do it? Before Windows says it is going to do some adjustments and wants to softreset or after?
Thx in advance to help me clarifing this,
nearlygod
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Yes,it is not logical...I agree with you...It's really stupid...I never had Hard Reset after flashing and I never had problems with ROMs...

I disagree, only once have I NOT hard reset after flashing and the speed was slower, I ended up reflashing and hard resetting made it faster again!

Ok, nice, we need a lot more people with a lot more experience in having hardresetted or not the same rom and tested it a lot.
Question: Isn´t flashing a rom the same as a hardreset? Purging all existing data and writing an image file?
I never had to "hardrest" my pc after writing an imagefile back on to it.
nearly

pLUSpISTOL said:
I disagree, only once have I NOT hard reset after flashing and the speed was slower, I ended up reflashing and hard resetting made it faster again!
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i second this. And it has happened more than once to me. You may not have a problem but har resetting assure you do not. Nothing worse than flashing and setting all those settings and realizing it is running slow...... then you start over.

sometimes i do some not.never had problems either..

nearlygod said:
Question: Isn´t flashing a rom the same as a hardreset? Purging all existing data and writing an image file?
I never had to "hardrest" my pc after writing an imagefile back on to it.
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Yes,it is same process )))Why I have to do same thing 2 or more times))))please turn on your logic guys)))

you have to hard reset to clear out all of the stuff in storage. you only need to do it once though and you do it whenever. you have to do it because in order to save power your phone does not zero out something you delete and the remaining bytes could affect the performance. it's just like why you always format your hard drive completely before you install or reinstall an operating system. you can the effects everywhere, too, if you look closely like how your phone might have saved the username and password to a website that was there from a previous flash. there are some things that might be afffecting your phone that you dont see like a 1 instead of a 0 in a registry setting that isnt even supposed to be in the rom. no a flash is not like a hard reset as a flash doesn't wipe out everything, it just overwrites it

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you have to hard reset to clear out all of the stuff in storage. you only need to do it once though and you do it whenever. you have to do it because in order to save power your phone does not zero out something you delete and the remaining bytes could affect the performance. it's just like why you always format your hard drive completely before you install or reinstall an operating system. you can the effects everywhere, too, if you look closely like how your phone might have saved the username and password to a website that was there from a previous flash. there are some things that might be afffecting your phone that you dont see like a 1 instead of a 0 in a registry setting that isnt even supposed to be in the rom. no a flash is not like a hard reset as a flash doesn't wipe out everything, it just overwrites it
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But flashing like a Hard Reset)))it erase all your stuff and write new information)))
it's just like why you always format your hard drive completely before you install or reinstall an operating system.
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Don't use Windows PC)))and you don't need every month reinstall your operation system)))also you don't need to format your hard drive)))
like how your phone might have saved the username and password to a website that was there from a previous flash
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Like a fantastic))but if you safe your cookies on your SD card it could be)))
Guys you should do Hard Reset many times before flashing too)))

Every time a ROM is flashed, storage partition is wiped/replaced/reallocated. In essence it's an equivalent of a hard reset, so there's really no point in doing a hard reset unless your ROM image was so buggy that it didn't allocate storage partition properly. If that's the case, hard reset may be helpful, but I wouldn't go with that ROM obviously.
When you flash a stock ROM, you are never required to hard reset thereafter, why it should be different for a customized ROM?

stepw said:
When you flash a stock ROM, you are never required to hard reset thereafter, why it should be different for a customized ROM?
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Really GOOD POINT)))Why HTC doesn't required us to do Hard Reset after or before flashing stock ROM...!!!???

sammypwns said:
...no a flash is not like a hard reset as a flash doesn't wipe out everything, it just overwrites it
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Well that claim right there is huge. Does anyone truly definitevely know whether a flash:
A) Completely whipes everything out, then writes new information, or
B) Simply overwrites data that it has too, and if there is a file already present on the device but not in the new ROM, it just leaves it alone
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Jim.

I've flashed dutty's rom wich he claimes todo 2 hardresets after flash.
I dind't do any hard resel and all is running fine, better than before.
I've never run a hard reset after flash, and the only problems i've had were the same the ones had with hard reset...
So my opinion:"it's not neccisairy(or whatever you spell it)"

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Every time a ROM is flashed, storage partition is wiped/replaced/reallocated. In essence it's an equivalent of a hard reset, so there's really no point in doing a hard reset unless your ROM image was so buggy that it didn't allocate storage partition properly. If that's the case, hard reset may be helpful, but I wouldn't go with that ROM obviously.
When you flash a stock ROM, you are never required to hard reset thereafter, why it should be different for a customized ROM?
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Doesn't the stock RUU do a Hard Reset after flashing with a task 28?
Also, the stock ROM's are less likly to be messed up unlike the cooked ones, where we are always trying to squeeze a little more out of them (sometimes with unknown adverse effects).
mercshle used to advise, Flash, HR and re-flash, but I can't recall any reason why (his threads went when he did).
@OP, realy you should have searched before starting this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439164
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410485
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=000825...shing&sa=Search&cof=FORID:0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
etc...
Dave

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Yes,it is same process
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I am no expert in flashing but it is NOT the same process. The hardware is quite different and self the flash- and hardreset-process on our GSM are NOT the same. The flash-process overwrites the memory and the hard-reset rewrite the memory.
Maybe it is a myth but therefore we need a hardware expert, who can explain what really happends when we flash but the documentation explains the difference between flashing a stock ROM and a non-stock ROM and that also by a stock ROM a hardresat is made (automaticly).
So, it is normal, that some have no problems without a hardreset and others have. It depends what you have installed and changed in the ROM before. This can affect the "new" ROM or not.

Elim said:
I am no expert in flashing but it is NOT the same process. The hardware is quite different and self the flash- and hardreset-process on our GSM are NOT the same. The flash-process overwrites the memory and the hard-reset rewrite the memory.
Maybe it is a myth but therefore we need a hardware expert, who can explain what really happends when we flash but the documentation explains the difference between flashing a stock ROM and a non-stock ROM and that also by a stock ROM a hardresat is made (automaticly).
So, it is normal, that some have no problems without a hardreset and others have. It depends what you have installed and changed in the ROM before. This can affect the "new" ROM or not.
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Totally agree with Elim above. I'm no expert myself but I have flashed countless roms. I've found that some roms after flashing can appear sluggish and after a hard reset the performance improves dramatically.
Duttys latest roms he has requested 2 hard resets and i've noticed that startup after flashing sometimes isn't complete without a second hard reset. Tested this on different phones and its not repeated on all which is strange behaviour.
Other roms don't require 2 hard resets, but still improve after one hard rest. So maybe its something hardwired into the roms themselves

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Duttys latest roms he has requested 2 hard resets and i've noticed that startup after flashing sometimes isn't complete without a second hard reset. Tested this on different phones and its not repeated on all which is strange behaviour.
Other roms like Davideuk, Energy rom & Laurentius26 don't require this so maybe its something hardwired into the roms themselves
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HAHA It's so funny)))
After each Hard Reset you'll have different color of the screen))))
It's stupid...It means he cannot built a ROM correctly)))
Why I don't have this problem in my ROM...we both use same OEM (Rhodium and Topaz)

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After each Hard Reset you'll have different color of the screen))))
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Explain this?

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Explain this?
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HAHA)))
After first you have white screen, do you?)))

Ok Guys,
it's like this. Some rom images are really buggy cooked.
A hard reset is also necessairy because all the data of the previous rom hasd to be deleted. That's why by the hard reset it goed in bootloader so that no prog can be running so that it can be overwritten good.
Sometimes with the Touch Pro roms, the camera driver can't be overwritten that results in a not working camera.
Hard reset will do the magic.
So always hard reset, it takes a minute of two and it saves problems.
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ROM Problem

Hi all,
i have a Problem, i have insalled a few roms, and with every ROM i got the same errors.
i Cant install CABs - always installations faild
when i disable some Tabs @TF then touchflow hang up, i have to reboot - then it freezed to, then i have to clear intern memory and cutomize it again ...
When i try it again, the same ****. I have treid 3 ROMs, always the same ****.
Has anyone a Hint for me?

Mmmm...
Isn't that the definition of insanity... repeating the same things, expecting a different result?
There are two things you can do here. The first one works for me every time I get crazy, random behaviour from a ROM. The second, I have never needed, but apparently it works wonders. I am, of course, assuming that you hard reset your device after flashing ROM's??!!
1. Flash a stock ROM from HTC, hard reset, then flash a custom ROM of your choice, then hard reset again. This will solve a million issues and then some.
2. Search XDA for MTTY. Don't ask me what it does, or how it does it, but it also cures a load of issues like yours.