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iv just hard reset my phone to clear off all the programs & rubbish id accumulated over the last month of having my phone. When i hard reset it, will i have cleared hardSPL etc, or am i alright just flashing duttys rom again straight away?
cheers guys
anyone? thanks
Everytime I´ve made a hard reset with a custom rom it has stayed there and the HardSPL as well. If I´m not mistaken you will not go back to stock rom because you´ve overwrtitten it with the custom rom and thefore the custom rom will boot up again BUT with all settings, installed programs and other changes you´ve made cleared. So if you had Duttys rom and made a hard reset you will still have Duttys rom.
I reset the device by going into settings, system and then clear data and afaik it has reset it to the HTF default, cant see any mention of duttys ROM. Also noticed the phone to be much much slower.
is it likely to be the HTC ROM or duttys ROM that im currently left with?
hardspl stays... thats why its called hardspl. it resists hard resets.
thanks for the response, just what i wanted to hear!
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thanks for the response, just what i wanted to hear!
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no problem may i recommend kaiser wiki? so u can learn more about ur device.
many people recomend that you do a hard reset after flashing a new ROM:
1-why?
2-does it really improve anything are there any people who think that this is a myth? ive even seen people claming that this solved their battery drange problem
3- whats the difference between a freshly flashed rom and a hard reset device?
4-when exactly is the best time: after the flash directly or after the first reboot when the phone finishes installing stuff from extended memory?
I'm wondering the same thing...
Me too
but i've heard that there can be some "rests" of the old rom after flashing a new.
And the hard reset clears the whole memory, so the system is "clean".
If I'm wrong tell me how it is right.
Personally, I don't believe this. I never did and never have a problem.
the argument is that a rom image (that you flash) doesn't always fill the entire memory space so there's a chance that some of the arrays could contain old data as the RUU doesn't clear the space first.
It doesn't hurt to hard reset whether this scenario happens or not, just hold the hardkeys down during first boot after it comes out of bootloader ..
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Personally, I don't believe this. I never did and never have a problem.
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the plot thickens
even the cooks thinks its not worthwhile
ill do it anyway (even if its a myth) since there is no need to wait for the rom to boot for the first time and no extra time is needed as fards says
From my experience, you really need to hard reset itje's touchit roms. I'm not sure why, but when I didn't hard reset, the device felt really really slow. This is very noticeable. After the hard reset, everything will be fast again.
I'm using jack's lite rom now, but I don't find that you need to hard reset on this rom.
i also never hard reset my device after a rom upgrade. never had problems.
ive tested my self acouple times tryin a rom for a day then hard reseting and see no difference in file structure, (backups) or registry (reg dump and compare)
so i do not hard reset my device after a hard reset
shadowmike said:
so i do not hard reset my device after a hard reset
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ummmm!!!... ok
i had tons of strange problems when i didnt do a hardreset after the flash.
software didnt work, icons were missing, phone didnt worked at all and so son. all problems were usualy fixed after a hardreset.
+1 for the not really worth it but do it anyway on the xperia (even in itje roms)
if this poll was on the wizard forum, im sure everybody will say its a MUST. so far only %30 here think its worth doing
yeah its a bit weird that only %30 think its worthwhile considering the number of people who do it when you read the itje ROM thread
THE GRIZZ said:
yeah its a bit weird that only %30 think its worthwhile considering the number of people who do it when you read the itje ROM thread
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many people use and think hard reset is equal to push the stylus into the soft reset hole...
I recommend hard-reset after flash...
It happens so many times that when ppl flashing my roms, and get bugs that I dont have, or many others dont have..
And what has been the sollution for many??? Hard-reset...suddenly they report back that it fixed their issue??
And how can ya'll "non-hard-spls-belivers" explain that?
But no matter what..
If you feel it helps, so do it
If you think it wont help...then dont
ah, and one thing more...
If you flash only the same build, basicly same roms, just with minor updates, then hard-reset after flash might not be needed cause the conflicting residue in nand might not conflict with the new flash...
perhaps just speculations and sci-fi....
But I will recommend hard-spl for any new flash, untill someone can hardcore prove the opposite...
but as said before...ya'll do what you want
itje said:
But I will recommend hard-spl for any new flash, untill someone can hardcore prove the opposite...
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I always recomend hard-spl for flashing new firmware, but thats off topic
I'll do everytime after flashed a new rom. 宁可信其有，不可信其无,believe it just cost you press some keys together, lol
fards said:
the argument is that a rom image (that you flash) doesn't always fill the entire memory space so there's a chance that some of the arrays could contain old data as the RUU doesn't clear the space first. It doesn't hurt to hard reset whether this scenario happens or not, just hold the hardkeys down during first boot after it comes out of bootloader ..
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After flashing, during the first boot, there already IS something that looks like a hard reset. Something like "auto-hard-reset". Therefore allow me to ask you 3 questions please:
1. Is this "auto-hard-reset" similar to the manual hard reset(when we push simultaneously left, right and soft reset key, or via Start>Settings>System>Clear Storage)?
2. What exactly did you mean in your quote(its part that I've marked bold)? I've never heard anything about holding any keys DURING the first boot. Everywhere is written: "Make hard reset AFTER you flash." Or maybe I missed something?
3. What if NOT to wait for this "auto-hard-reset", and just manually, BEFORE it happens, make an HR(pushing simultaneously left, right and soft reset key) in time when firmware splash screen is showed? It would save the time... but is it harmless?
Thank you very much for your answers!
itje said:
But I will recommend hard-spl for any new flash, untill someone can hardcore prove the opposite...
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Hey Itje, did you really mean hard spl?
Posting just to not let my question gone forever in thousands of new threads Hope you'll answer it. Thank you very much.
Der_Immitanz_konverter said:
Hey Itje, did you really mean hard spl?
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guess was just a typo, he means hard-reset
Hi,
just because i don´t understand why i should hardreset after a flash, i wanted to open a thread on this. Some people say you have to do it 2-3 times.
Because it doesn´t sound any logical to me i wanted to ask around, if anyone really has experienced a difference.
Maybe somebody adanced could even explain, if or if not this could do any difference.
If it finally does: When do you do it? Before Windows says it is going to do some adjustments and wants to softreset or after?
Thx in advance to help me clarifing this,
nearlygod
nearlygod said:
Hi,
just because i don´t understand why i should hardreset after a flash, i wanted to open a thread on this. Some people say you have to do it 2-3 times.
Because it doesn´t sound any logical to me i wanted to ask around, if anyone really has experienced a difference.
Maybe somebody adanced could even explain, if or if not this could do any difference.
If it finally does: When do you do it? Before Windows says it is going to do some adjustments and wants to softreset or after?
Thx in advance to help me clarifing this,
nearlygod
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Yes,it is not logical...I agree with you...It's really stupid...I never had Hard Reset after flashing and I never had problems with ROMs...
I disagree, only once have I NOT hard reset after flashing and the speed was slower, I ended up reflashing and hard resetting made it faster again!
Ok, nice, we need a lot more people with a lot more experience in having hardresetted or not the same rom and tested it a lot.
Question: Isn´t flashing a rom the same as a hardreset? Purging all existing data and writing an image file?
I never had to "hardrest" my pc after writing an imagefile back on to it.
nearly
pLUSpISTOL said:
I disagree, only once have I NOT hard reset after flashing and the speed was slower, I ended up reflashing and hard resetting made it faster again!
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i second this. And it has happened more than once to me. You may not have a problem but har resetting assure you do not. Nothing worse than flashing and setting all those settings and realizing it is running slow...... then you start over.
sometimes i do some not.never had problems either..
nearlygod said:
Question: Isn´t flashing a rom the same as a hardreset? Purging all existing data and writing an image file?
I never had to "hardrest" my pc after writing an imagefile back on to it.
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Yes,it is same process )))Why I have to do same thing 2 or more times))))please turn on your logic guys)))
you have to hard reset to clear out all of the stuff in storage. you only need to do it once though and you do it whenever. you have to do it because in order to save power your phone does not zero out something you delete and the remaining bytes could affect the performance. it's just like why you always format your hard drive completely before you install or reinstall an operating system. you can the effects everywhere, too, if you look closely like how your phone might have saved the username and password to a website that was there from a previous flash. there are some things that might be afffecting your phone that you dont see like a 1 instead of a 0 in a registry setting that isnt even supposed to be in the rom. no a flash is not like a hard reset as a flash doesn't wipe out everything, it just overwrites it
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you have to hard reset to clear out all of the stuff in storage. you only need to do it once though and you do it whenever. you have to do it because in order to save power your phone does not zero out something you delete and the remaining bytes could affect the performance. it's just like why you always format your hard drive completely before you install or reinstall an operating system. you can the effects everywhere, too, if you look closely like how your phone might have saved the username and password to a website that was there from a previous flash. there are some things that might be afffecting your phone that you dont see like a 1 instead of a 0 in a registry setting that isnt even supposed to be in the rom. no a flash is not like a hard reset as a flash doesn't wipe out everything, it just overwrites it
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But flashing like a Hard Reset)))it erase all your stuff and write new information)))
it's just like why you always format your hard drive completely before you install or reinstall an operating system.
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Don't use Windows PC)))and you don't need every month reinstall your operation system)))also you don't need to format your hard drive)))
like how your phone might have saved the username and password to a website that was there from a previous flash
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Like a fantastic))but if you safe your cookies on your SD card it could be)))
Guys you should do Hard Reset many times before flashing too)))
Every time a ROM is flashed, storage partition is wiped/replaced/reallocated. In essence it's an equivalent of a hard reset, so there's really no point in doing a hard reset unless your ROM image was so buggy that it didn't allocate storage partition properly. If that's the case, hard reset may be helpful, but I wouldn't go with that ROM obviously.
When you flash a stock ROM, you are never required to hard reset thereafter, why it should be different for a customized ROM?
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When you flash a stock ROM, you are never required to hard reset thereafter, why it should be different for a customized ROM?
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Really GOOD POINT)))Why HTC doesn't required us to do Hard Reset after or before flashing stock ROM...!!!???
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...no a flash is not like a hard reset as a flash doesn't wipe out everything, it just overwrites it
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Well that claim right there is huge. Does anyone truly definitevely know whether a flash:
A) Completely whipes everything out, then writes new information, or
B) Simply overwrites data that it has too, and if there is a file already present on the device but not in the new ROM, it just leaves it alone
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Jim.
I've flashed dutty's rom wich he claimes todo 2 hardresets after flash.
I dind't do any hard resel and all is running fine, better than before.
I've never run a hard reset after flash, and the only problems i've had were the same the ones had with hard reset...
So my opinion:"it's not neccisairy(or whatever you spell it)"
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Every time a ROM is flashed, storage partition is wiped/replaced/reallocated. In essence it's an equivalent of a hard reset, so there's really no point in doing a hard reset unless your ROM image was so buggy that it didn't allocate storage partition properly. If that's the case, hard reset may be helpful, but I wouldn't go with that ROM obviously.
When you flash a stock ROM, you are never required to hard reset thereafter, why it should be different for a customized ROM?
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Doesn't the stock RUU do a Hard Reset after flashing with a task 28?
Also, the stock ROM's are less likly to be messed up unlike the cooked ones, where we are always trying to squeeze a little more out of them (sometimes with unknown adverse effects).
mercshle used to advise, Flash, HR and re-flash, but I can't recall any reason why (his threads went when he did).
@OP, realy you should have searched before starting this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439164
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410485
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=000825...shing&sa=Search&cof=FORID:0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
etc...
Dave
onkolog said:
Yes,it is same process
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I am no expert in flashing but it is NOT the same process. The hardware is quite different and self the flash- and hardreset-process on our GSM are NOT the same. The flash-process overwrites the memory and the hard-reset rewrite the memory.
Maybe it is a myth but therefore we need a hardware expert, who can explain what really happends when we flash but the documentation explains the difference between flashing a stock ROM and a non-stock ROM and that also by a stock ROM a hardresat is made (automaticly).
So, it is normal, that some have no problems without a hardreset and others have. It depends what you have installed and changed in the ROM before. This can affect the "new" ROM or not.
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I am no expert in flashing but it is NOT the same process. The hardware is quite different and self the flash- and hardreset-process on our GSM are NOT the same. The flash-process overwrites the memory and the hard-reset rewrite the memory.
Maybe it is a myth but therefore we need a hardware expert, who can explain what really happends when we flash but the documentation explains the difference between flashing a stock ROM and a non-stock ROM and that also by a stock ROM a hardresat is made (automaticly).
So, it is normal, that some have no problems without a hardreset and others have. It depends what you have installed and changed in the ROM before. This can affect the "new" ROM or not.
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Totally agree with Elim above. I'm no expert myself but I have flashed countless roms. I've found that some roms after flashing can appear sluggish and after a hard reset the performance improves dramatically.
Duttys latest roms he has requested 2 hard resets and i've noticed that startup after flashing sometimes isn't complete without a second hard reset. Tested this on different phones and its not repeated on all which is strange behaviour.
Other roms don't require 2 hard resets, but still improve after one hard rest. So maybe its something hardwired into the roms themselves
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Duttys latest roms he has requested 2 hard resets and i've noticed that startup after flashing sometimes isn't complete without a second hard reset. Tested this on different phones and its not repeated on all which is strange behaviour.
Other roms like Davideuk, Energy rom & Laurentius26 don't require this so maybe its something hardwired into the roms themselves
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HAHA It's so funny)))
After each Hard Reset you'll have different color of the screen))))
It's stupid...It means he cannot built a ROM correctly)))
Why I don't have this problem in my ROM...we both use same OEM (Rhodium and Topaz)
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After each Hard Reset you'll have different color of the screen))))
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Explain this?
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Explain this?
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HAHA)))
After first you have white screen, do you?)))
Ok Guys,
it's like this. Some rom images are really buggy cooked.
A hard reset is also necessairy because all the data of the previous rom hasd to be deleted. That's why by the hard reset it goed in bootloader so that no prog can be running so that it can be overwritten good.
Sometimes with the Touch Pro roms, the camera driver can't be overwritten that results in a not working camera.
Hard reset will do the magic.
So always hard reset, it takes a minute of two and it saves problems.
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hi everyone, ill start by saying sorry if this is in the wrong place, but anyway, i am currently using itje touch it rom and i love it, but i saw his touch it leo rom and i like that one better.
My question is if i put on the leo rom do i have to hard spl the phone again?
thanks in advance for the help, and keep up the good work.
p.s sorry for my noobish-ness lol i oinly got my x1 yesterday.
NO, you only have to install hard-spl once.
wow that was sooo quick lol, thanks very much, i thought so i just wanted to make sure, as i read on a different site(cant remember) that you did, but on xda the threads say you dont lol.
again thanks you.
Haha, no it's fine to do it once. The hard-spl will stay on your phone after each flash. spl and rom have nothing to do with each other. So only once!
another question
i have another question. it says in every thread that hard reset after installation.
if i use the PC method (with rom update utility that is) would i need to hard reset as well? also what is the purpose of hard resetting? does it improve the performance ?
I recommend everybody to do one or two hardresets after flashing the rom.
hardreset basically resets your device and starts flashing the rom out of the memory.
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meska said:
I recommend everybody to do one or two hardresets after flashing the rom.
hardreset basically resets your device and starts flashing the rom out of the memory.
regards
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hardresets normally removed left-over files from the previosu ROM's after flashing. This should, in theory, provide you with a clean ROM to start with.
Ok i asked this a couple of times but no1 repllied, I just wanted to know that do we have to hard-reset ONLY after the first time we flash a ROM or is it a mandate aftre every flash....
THANX!
To get maximum performance from the ROM you need to Hard-Reset after you flash. Othewise you may face some bugs. I usually hard-reset two times after flash.
agent_47 highly recommends it...
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NOTE: hardrest after flashing
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Thanx guys..the problem with hard reset is that it blows away al the data iinstalled..softwares etc...
circleofomega said:
Thanx guys..the problem with hard reset is that it blows away al the data iinstalled..softwares etc...
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Flashing a new ROM will anyway do this even if you do not hard reset?
Strongly recommends hardreset after flashing..
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Flashing a new ROM will anyway do this even if you do not hard reset?
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OOps..u got me....yea, but if it does it anyway, WTH, i wil hard reset...also, wanted to ask, if the Infite is better or the X1.5...??
hard reset is a must , no doubt
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hard reset is a must , no doubt
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Thanx....but now my confusion has doubled, Chritian's ROM 6.5.3 or Spikegotti's newly released 6.5??
Why are we spoilt choices????
Lunie said:
To get maximum performance from the ROM you need to Hard-Reset after you flash. Othewise you may face some bugs. I usually hard-reset two times after flash.
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The same 4 me!
Not needed in my opinion. In 99,9% of the flashes there will be no problem and you can always hard reset when you face any problems.
The phone is also hard resetting after every flash so it's already hard resetted don't think a second time will make it work better.
I never hard reset after any flash and never had any problem(and flashed to many times with rom testing etc.)
It's up to you but I think it's not needed since it will not make any difference and even after the hard reset problems can occur.
Everyone say do hardreset but most people don't understand why?
In my opinion question is very good..
For example. I do MTTY before every flash, it gives much better results to hardresets but If I need to do hardreset after flashing after MTTY? hmmm
I never got any suspicious problems after MTTY, after even 3 hardresets without MTTY sometimes - YES.
The problem is e rest of old ROM. When we flash smaller rom after a bigger one (i think so) them could stay some bugs which hardresets could solve but not always.
But what's after MTTY? If I still neeed to HR it means that rom makes bugs while being flashed. It would be sick.
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Not needed in my opinion. In 99,9% of the flashes there will be no problem and you can always hard reset when you face any problems.
The phone is also hard resetting after every flash so it's already hard resetted don't think a second time will make it work better.
I never hard reset after any flash and never had any problem(and flashed to many times with rom testing etc.)
It's up to you but I think it's not needed since it will not make any difference and even after the hard reset problems can occur.
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Yes, correct, 99 out of 100 times it may be fine, but it takes a matter of seconds to hard reset device after you have flashed a new rom. Many people have seen benefits from doing this HR. If chef recommends it, then its best to do it.
Rick
p.s. inital query answered, thread closed