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Hard reset after ROM upgrade?

Really dumb question. I am about to install the HTC WM 6.1 ROM. I checked the Wiki and FAQs and they mention doing a hard reset before flashing. i'm sure though I saw a mention somewhere about doing one AFTER flashing too but am blowed if I can find it now. Is it necessary? My thinking is that the ROM flash will totally blitz the device anyway so no further reset is needed???

Its just a recomendation, you dont have to personally do it yourself. It's just there for if you want to. Personally I do it just so I know that everything is okay after my initial install its up to you.

Yeah it's necessary to hard reset after upgrading. Check the last last couple of paras of THIS for further info.

The Reaper said:
Yeah it's necessary to hard reset after upgrading.
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It says it clears most problems, well I never have too many problems with mine so. I guess do what it says.

You'll find that your device will run better on a new rom if it hard reset immediately after flashing. Also, on a lot of the newer 6.1 roms, it is also recommended that you also power down the device after flashing

Can someone please help me using roms???

I recently got myself an X1, and I have to honestly say, its brill!
I am mainly using the spb shell panel, and like it for the reason that I can use my thick fingers to operate it. Is their any other user interfaces like this one?
Ok, I am a smart enough guy…(sometimes)…but I cannot for the life of me understand roms…and what you guys are going on about in these forums.
What I am looking for is a good selection of panels to choose from, however from what I can get from these forums is that I am better installing something completely different on the phone.. I assume this gets rid of my panels?
Do roms completely overwrite what is currenly on the phone? Ie. Panels, tomtom, etc.
Any tips would be much appreciated, as I am interested in a user interface that I can better customise to suit myself (cant customise spb mobile shell)…..
Thanks..

Roughly said a ROM is a collection of appz put in one file together with the WinMo OS.
What those appz are, and which version of winmo, totally depends on the creator of the custom cooked ROM. In the threads of the custom ROM is always a summary of what is included.
Most chefs delete the panels from their ROMs, except for the standard panels and the panelmanager. So you can install the panels you want to use.
When installing a new ROM (custom cooked or stock) it always deletes the phone memory, not your SD-card! So you need to install appz, change settings to your own need, and ofcourse put contacts, agenda, etc back from back-up.

Nice, thanks.
I think in that case that I will avoid them for now, as I do not have a good enough understanding of how it works. I will how ever make more of an effort to read into the process to understand how it will benefit how I use the phone.
Thanks for the heads up.

May I suggest you to read this thread:
(sticky thred, on top of the forum)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=477801
You'll find what you want to know

Ah, perfect. Thanks for the link!
Nice resource btw.

Goodluck...Enjoy Reading...

Ok, took the plunge, and installed a custom rom....
I installed Touch_IT v4.5 and it is excellent..however
Anyone else experiencing lots of crashes? I am getting lots of crashes for stupid things like trying to open the X panel....
Whats annoyed me most is that I have taken off the back cover so much to remove the battery (to restart) I have cracked the part under the camera :-(
Just out of interest...to convert back to the stock o2 UK rom do I simply download "X1i_GENERIC_UK_CDF1215-1832_R2AA010 - uploaded" from:
NEW ORIGINAL X1 ROMS (all released variants) update 14.3.2009
Then Hard SPL, and install this original rom?
Thanks..

djglenn1337 said:
Ok, took the plunge, and installed a custom rom....
I installed Touch_IT v4.5 and it is excellent..however
Anyone else experiencing lots of crashes? I am getting lots of crashes for stupid things like trying to open the X panel....
Whats annoyed me most is that I have taken off the back cover so much to remove the battery (to restart) I have cracked the part under the camera :-(
Just out of interest...to convert back to the stock o2 UK rom do I simply download "X1i_GENERIC_UK_CDF1215-1832_R2AA010 - uploaded" from:
NEW ORIGINAL X1 ROMS (all released variants) update 14.3.2009
Then Hard SPL, and install this original rom?
Thanks..
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Yes, and yes.
Edit: You don't need to HARD SPL again before you flash it.

I believe that ROM is the generic SE one without any of the O2 branding.
If you need to return it for any reason you will need to reflash it with the O2 ROM (which I believe is available in the same thread as you found the one you pointed out).
You'll also need to change the hard spl back to the original.
Shame about the crack under the camera, did you know you can soft reset by holding down the power button for 3-5 seconds?

insom81 said:
You'll also need to change the hard spl back to the original.
Shame about the crack under the camera, did you know you can soft reset by holding down the power button for 3-5 seconds?
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Thanks for the help.
How do I change the hard spl back to the original??
I do assume though there is no way to reset the phone when it has completely crashed, without removing the battery. Holding the power button down has no effect.
Its a shame as I love the touch-it 4.5 rom. I almost would live with it being unstable just for some of the features (i.e Camera with autoflash, and the touchflo 3D interface).

djglenn1337 said:
How do I change the hard spl back to the original??
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In the Hard-SPL thread you can read how to change back to original spl.
djglenn1337 said:
Its a shame as I love the touch-it 4.5 rom. I almost would live with it being unstable just for some of the features (i.e Camera with autoflash, and the touchflo 3D interface).
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Did you hard reset after flash, because I've been using Touch-IT 4.5 since the day after it was released and aren't experiencing big stability issues (hard reset is press the two directly under your screen and press reset button with stylo).
djglenn1337 said:
I do assume though there is no way to reset the phone when it has completely crashed, without removing the battery. Holding the power button down has no effect.
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When the batterycover is removed there is a tiny hole next to the battery, you can use your stylo to press the reset button inside the hole (soft reset).

hard reset after flash? no...how do I do that?
As I didnt do it, will I have to reflash it again and then hard reset?
I dont understand "press the 2 under the screen" sorry...
Thanks again..

Hey guys I just too got an X1a and want to install this ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=485624 But still not really quite sure what to do. So I just download the ROM and ROMUpdateUtility.exe yes? (where can i find the rom update utility for the Xperia?) Then I just install it onto the phone? I know I hav to backup etc. Will this void the warranty though, will I be able to get it to factory settings if I want to change it back?
Thank you.
Need a reply asap..

Oh and is the Touch-IT good?

djglenn1337 said:
hard reset after flash? no...how do I do that?
As I didnt do it, will I have to reflash it again and then hard reset?
I dont understand "press the 2 under the screen" sorry...
Thanks again..
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Hard reset:
1. turn off the phone
2. Hold both right and left buttons (the ones right under the screen, dont know the name)
3. press reset button with stylus, while still holding the others

tai927 said:
Hey guys I just too got an X1a and want to install this ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=485624 But still not really quite sure what to do. So I just download the ROM and ROMUpdateUtility.exe yes? (where can i find the rom update utility for the Xperia?) Then I just install it onto the phone? I know I hav to backup etc. Will this void the warranty though, will I be able to get it to factory settings if I want to change it back?
Thank you.
Need a reply asap..
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Please read the sticky's in the ROM thread before trying to flash....
How to flash?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446070
Hard-SPL
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=431218
How to back-up your ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=462926
Have fun reading....

Lokatho said:
Hard reset:
1. turn off the phone
2. Hold both right and left buttons (the ones right under the screen, dont know the name)
3. press reset button with stylus, while still holding the others
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Ok, so the reset button is the one underneath the battery cover?
and the right and left buttons are the silver rectangular ones that you can assign as anything?
Should I reflash the phone and hard reset it then, or might hard resetting it now work?

djglenn1337 said:
Ok, so the reset button is the one underneath the battery cover?
and the right and left buttons are the silver rectangular ones that you can assign as anything?
Should I reflash the phone and hard reset it then, or might hard resetting it now work?
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Hard reset without reflash should do the trick
ps remind that hard reset will set the OS back like it has never been used before

Curious on how revert the hardspl to original.
I'm new to all this as well,
I want to make registry edits, i downloaded the free trial Resco file explorer, which is supposed to be able to make reg edits, but i CANNOT (or simply i just dont konw how or where) find the HKCU folder. I can only see the regular Device folders, thats about it!! Where am i supposed to look at??

chris28j said:
Curious on how revert the hardspl to original.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=431218
chris28j said:
I want to make registry edits, i downloaded the free trial Resco file explorer, which is supposed to be able to make reg edits, but i CANNOT (or simply i just dont konw how or where) find the HKCU folder. I can only see the regular Device folders, thats about it!! Where am i supposed to look at??
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Don't know Resco first handed, but looking at the screenshots (http://www.resco.net/pocketpc/explorer/indepth.asp) you should be able to enter the registry at the base of the folder tree.

Hard reset after flashing- myth or truth

Hi,
just because i don´t understand why i should hardreset after a flash, i wanted to open a thread on this. Some people say you have to do it 2-3 times.
Because it doesn´t sound any logical to me i wanted to ask around, if anyone really has experienced a difference.
Maybe somebody adanced could even explain, if or if not this could do any difference.
If it finally does: When do you do it? Before Windows says it is going to do some adjustments and wants to softreset or after?
Thx in advance to help me clarifing this,
nearlygod

nearlygod said:
Hi,
just because i don´t understand why i should hardreset after a flash, i wanted to open a thread on this. Some people say you have to do it 2-3 times.
Because it doesn´t sound any logical to me i wanted to ask around, if anyone really has experienced a difference.
Maybe somebody adanced could even explain, if or if not this could do any difference.
If it finally does: When do you do it? Before Windows says it is going to do some adjustments and wants to softreset or after?
Thx in advance to help me clarifing this,
nearlygod
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Yes,it is not logical...I agree with you...It's really stupid...I never had Hard Reset after flashing and I never had problems with ROMs...

I disagree, only once have I NOT hard reset after flashing and the speed was slower, I ended up reflashing and hard resetting made it faster again!

Ok, nice, we need a lot more people with a lot more experience in having hardresetted or not the same rom and tested it a lot.
Question: Isn´t flashing a rom the same as a hardreset? Purging all existing data and writing an image file?
I never had to "hardrest" my pc after writing an imagefile back on to it.
nearly

pLUSpISTOL said:
I disagree, only once have I NOT hard reset after flashing and the speed was slower, I ended up reflashing and hard resetting made it faster again!
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i second this. And it has happened more than once to me. You may not have a problem but har resetting assure you do not. Nothing worse than flashing and setting all those settings and realizing it is running slow...... then you start over.

sometimes i do some not.never had problems either..

nearlygod said:
Question: Isn´t flashing a rom the same as a hardreset? Purging all existing data and writing an image file?
I never had to "hardrest" my pc after writing an imagefile back on to it.
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Yes,it is same process )))Why I have to do same thing 2 or more times))))please turn on your logic guys)))

you have to hard reset to clear out all of the stuff in storage. you only need to do it once though and you do it whenever. you have to do it because in order to save power your phone does not zero out something you delete and the remaining bytes could affect the performance. it's just like why you always format your hard drive completely before you install or reinstall an operating system. you can the effects everywhere, too, if you look closely like how your phone might have saved the username and password to a website that was there from a previous flash. there are some things that might be afffecting your phone that you dont see like a 1 instead of a 0 in a registry setting that isnt even supposed to be in the rom. no a flash is not like a hard reset as a flash doesn't wipe out everything, it just overwrites it

sammypwns said:
you have to hard reset to clear out all of the stuff in storage. you only need to do it once though and you do it whenever. you have to do it because in order to save power your phone does not zero out something you delete and the remaining bytes could affect the performance. it's just like why you always format your hard drive completely before you install or reinstall an operating system. you can the effects everywhere, too, if you look closely like how your phone might have saved the username and password to a website that was there from a previous flash. there are some things that might be afffecting your phone that you dont see like a 1 instead of a 0 in a registry setting that isnt even supposed to be in the rom. no a flash is not like a hard reset as a flash doesn't wipe out everything, it just overwrites it
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But flashing like a Hard Reset)))it erase all your stuff and write new information)))
it's just like why you always format your hard drive completely before you install or reinstall an operating system.
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Don't use Windows PC)))and you don't need every month reinstall your operation system)))also you don't need to format your hard drive)))
like how your phone might have saved the username and password to a website that was there from a previous flash
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Like a fantastic))but if you safe your cookies on your SD card it could be)))
Guys you should do Hard Reset many times before flashing too)))

Every time a ROM is flashed, storage partition is wiped/replaced/reallocated. In essence it's an equivalent of a hard reset, so there's really no point in doing a hard reset unless your ROM image was so buggy that it didn't allocate storage partition properly. If that's the case, hard reset may be helpful, but I wouldn't go with that ROM obviously.
When you flash a stock ROM, you are never required to hard reset thereafter, why it should be different for a customized ROM?

stepw said:
When you flash a stock ROM, you are never required to hard reset thereafter, why it should be different for a customized ROM?
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Really GOOD POINT)))Why HTC doesn't required us to do Hard Reset after or before flashing stock ROM...!!!???

sammypwns said:
...no a flash is not like a hard reset as a flash doesn't wipe out everything, it just overwrites it
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Well that claim right there is huge. Does anyone truly definitevely know whether a flash:
A) Completely whipes everything out, then writes new information, or
B) Simply overwrites data that it has too, and if there is a file already present on the device but not in the new ROM, it just leaves it alone
?
Jim.

I've flashed dutty's rom wich he claimes todo 2 hardresets after flash.
I dind't do any hard resel and all is running fine, better than before.
I've never run a hard reset after flash, and the only problems i've had were the same the ones had with hard reset...
So my opinion:"it's not neccisairy(or whatever you spell it)"

stepw said:
Every time a ROM is flashed, storage partition is wiped/replaced/reallocated. In essence it's an equivalent of a hard reset, so there's really no point in doing a hard reset unless your ROM image was so buggy that it didn't allocate storage partition properly. If that's the case, hard reset may be helpful, but I wouldn't go with that ROM obviously.
When you flash a stock ROM, you are never required to hard reset thereafter, why it should be different for a customized ROM?
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Doesn't the stock RUU do a Hard Reset after flashing with a task 28?
Also, the stock ROM's are less likly to be messed up unlike the cooked ones, where we are always trying to squeeze a little more out of them (sometimes with unknown adverse effects).
mercshle used to advise, Flash, HR and re-flash, but I can't recall any reason why (his threads went when he did).
@OP, realy you should have searched before starting this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439164
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410485
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=000825...shing&sa=Search&cof=FORID:0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
etc...
Dave

onkolog said:
Yes,it is same process
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I am no expert in flashing but it is NOT the same process. The hardware is quite different and self the flash- and hardreset-process on our GSM are NOT the same. The flash-process overwrites the memory and the hard-reset rewrite the memory.
Maybe it is a myth but therefore we need a hardware expert, who can explain what really happends when we flash but the documentation explains the difference between flashing a stock ROM and a non-stock ROM and that also by a stock ROM a hardresat is made (automaticly).
So, it is normal, that some have no problems without a hardreset and others have. It depends what you have installed and changed in the ROM before. This can affect the "new" ROM or not.

Elim said:
I am no expert in flashing but it is NOT the same process. The hardware is quite different and self the flash- and hardreset-process on our GSM are NOT the same. The flash-process overwrites the memory and the hard-reset rewrite the memory.
Maybe it is a myth but therefore we need a hardware expert, who can explain what really happends when we flash but the documentation explains the difference between flashing a stock ROM and a non-stock ROM and that also by a stock ROM a hardresat is made (automaticly).
So, it is normal, that some have no problems without a hardreset and others have. It depends what you have installed and changed in the ROM before. This can affect the "new" ROM or not.
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Totally agree with Elim above. I'm no expert myself but I have flashed countless roms. I've found that some roms after flashing can appear sluggish and after a hard reset the performance improves dramatically.
Duttys latest roms he has requested 2 hard resets and i've noticed that startup after flashing sometimes isn't complete without a second hard reset. Tested this on different phones and its not repeated on all which is strange behaviour.
Other roms don't require 2 hard resets, but still improve after one hard rest. So maybe its something hardwired into the roms themselves

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Duttys latest roms he has requested 2 hard resets and i've noticed that startup after flashing sometimes isn't complete without a second hard reset. Tested this on different phones and its not repeated on all which is strange behaviour.
Other roms like Davideuk, Energy rom & Laurentius26 don't require this so maybe its something hardwired into the roms themselves
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HAHA It's so funny)))
After each Hard Reset you'll have different color of the screen))))
It's stupid...It means he cannot built a ROM correctly)))
Why I don't have this problem in my ROM...we both use same OEM (Rhodium and Topaz)

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After each Hard Reset you'll have different color of the screen))))
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Explain this?

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Explain this?
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HAHA)))
After first you have white screen, do you?)))

Ok Guys,
it's like this. Some rom images are really buggy cooked.
A hard reset is also necessairy because all the data of the previous rom hasd to be deleted. That's why by the hard reset it goed in bootloader so that no prog can be running so that it can be overwritten good.
Sometimes with the Touch Pro roms, the camera driver can't be overwritten that results in a not working camera.
Hard reset will do the magic.
So always hard reset, it takes a minute of two and it saves problems.
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Sorry everyone a little help please.....

hi everyone, ill start by saying sorry if this is in the wrong place, but anyway, i am currently using itje touch it rom and i love it, but i saw his touch it leo rom and i like that one better.
My question is if i put on the leo rom do i have to hard spl the phone again?
thanks in advance for the help, and keep up the good work.
p.s sorry for my noobish-ness lol i oinly got my x1 yesterday.

NO, you only have to install hard-spl once.

wow that was sooo quick lol, thanks very much, i thought so i just wanted to make sure, as i read on a different site(cant remember) that you did, but on xda the threads say you dont lol.
again thanks you.

Haha, no it's fine to do it once. The hard-spl will stay on your phone after each flash. spl and rom have nothing to do with each other. So only once!

another question
i have another question. it says in every thread that hard reset after installation.
if i use the PC method (with rom update utility that is) would i need to hard reset as well? also what is the purpose of hard resetting? does it improve the performance ?

I recommend everybody to do one or two hardresets after flashing the rom.
hardreset basically resets your device and starts flashing the rom out of the memory.
regards

meska said:
I recommend everybody to do one or two hardresets after flashing the rom.
hardreset basically resets your device and starts flashing the rom out of the memory.
regards
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hardresets normally removed left-over files from the previosu ROM's after flashing. This should, in theory, provide you with a clean ROM to start with.

Is it absolutely neccessary to hard reset after every flash installation..

Ok i asked this a couple of times but no1 repllied, I just wanted to know that do we have to hard-reset ONLY after the first time we flash a ROM or is it a mandate aftre every flash....
THANX!

To get maximum performance from the ROM you need to Hard-Reset after you flash. Othewise you may face some bugs. I usually hard-reset two times after flash.

agent_47 highly recommends it...
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NOTE: hardrest after flashing
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Thanx guys..the problem with hard reset is that it blows away al the data iinstalled..softwares etc...

circleofomega said:
Thanx guys..the problem with hard reset is that it blows away al the data iinstalled..softwares etc...
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Flashing a new ROM will anyway do this even if you do not hard reset?

Strongly recommends hardreset after flashing..

JadeSimon said:
Flashing a new ROM will anyway do this even if you do not hard reset?
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OOps..u got me....yea, but if it does it anyway, WTH, i wil hard reset...also, wanted to ask, if the Infite is better or the X1.5...??

hard reset is a must , no doubt

sx1-doc said:
hard reset is a must , no doubt
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Thanx....but now my confusion has doubled, Chritian's ROM 6.5.3 or Spikegotti's newly released 6.5??
Why are we spoilt choices????

Lunie said:
To get maximum performance from the ROM you need to Hard-Reset after you flash. Othewise you may face some bugs. I usually hard-reset two times after flash.
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The same 4 me!

Not needed in my opinion. In 99,9% of the flashes there will be no problem and you can always hard reset when you face any problems.
The phone is also hard resetting after every flash so it's already hard resetted don't think a second time will make it work better.
I never hard reset after any flash and never had any problem(and flashed to many times with rom testing etc.)
It's up to you but I think it's not needed since it will not make any difference and even after the hard reset problems can occur.

Everyone say do hardreset but most people don't understand why?
In my opinion question is very good..
For example. I do MTTY before every flash, it gives much better results to hardresets but If I need to do hardreset after flashing after MTTY? hmmm
I never got any suspicious problems after MTTY, after even 3 hardresets without MTTY sometimes - YES.
The problem is e rest of old ROM. When we flash smaller rom after a bigger one (i think so) them could stay some bugs which hardresets could solve but not always.
But what's after MTTY? If I still neeed to HR it means that rom makes bugs while being flashed. It would be sick.

killer8nl said:
Not needed in my opinion. In 99,9% of the flashes there will be no problem and you can always hard reset when you face any problems.
The phone is also hard resetting after every flash so it's already hard resetted don't think a second time will make it work better.
I never hard reset after any flash and never had any problem(and flashed to many times with rom testing etc.)
It's up to you but I think it's not needed since it will not make any difference and even after the hard reset problems can occur.
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Yes, correct, 99 out of 100 times it may be fine, but it takes a matter of seconds to hard reset device after you have flashed a new rom. Many people have seen benefits from doing this HR. If chef recommends it, then its best to do it.
Rick
p.s. inital query answered, thread closed