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Hi guys...sorry if this is already answered here, but I just got a supposedly 'unlocked' AT&T Tilt from eBay and put in my Rogers SIM card. It seems to work OK on the data side of things - gleefully accessing the internet and even syncing my email, but I can't get the voice calls to work. Even shows '3G' for the data connection.
Whenever anyone calls me, they get a couple of rings and it goes to my voicemail. If I try to call out, it dials, then immediately ends the call when it tries to connect.
The SIM card is OK I know, since it works in my Eten X500 just fine.
Do I have to do something to the phone to completely remove the AT&T stuff?
Help...I love the phone, but if it won't make voice calls....
Thanks.
/drt
I had this same problem on ATT in the US. They kept trying to tell me it was a problem with my phone, although I knew this wasnt the case because I had 2 tilts in a row that did this. I called them and eventually got through to a higer level tech, tier 2 I think. I'm not completely sure what he did but he fixed it. It was a problem on their end.
I was able to use data as well, just no calls. It would drop them as soon as I made them.
Call Rogers, they will probably work it out.
You need to flash your tilt with a different version of radio and it will work.
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You need to flash your tilt with a different version of radio and it will work.
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Thanks... any particular suggestions? I'm thinking of flashing the unit with QMobile 1.2, but I don't think that comes with a radio ROM...I guess I should pick one up from the Upload area?
Thanks again for the help.
/drt
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I had this same problem on ATT in the US. They kept trying to tell me it was a problem with my phone, although I knew this wasnt the case because I had 2 tilts in a row that did this. I called them and eventually got through to a higer level tech, tier 2 I think. I'm not completely sure what he did but he fixed it. It was a problem on their end.
I was able to use data as well, just no calls. It would drop them as soon as I made them.
Call Rogers, they will probably work it out.
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I may give that a try, but Rogers doesn't provide support for phones they don't sell. I think I will be SOL once they find out I'm connecting with a 'non-standard' phone.
/drt
drtolson said:
I may give that a try, but Rogers doesn't provide support for phones they don't sell. I think I will be SOL once they find out I'm connecting with a 'non-standard' phone.
/drt
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rogers is really bad when it comes to supporting phones they don't have. You may want to call them and lie, and say you and a TYTN instead of a Tilt, and see if they will try to help.
That being said, I know about 3 guys that have gotten either a TYTN II or a Tilt in the Vancouver area and have popped in their SIM card and everything has worked just fine, including myself. Have you tried flashing a different radio - I am using 1.27.12.17 - perhaps the At&T radios don't work in Canada?...just a thought
here is a link to the radio thread, where you can download the 1.27.12.17 radio...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349375
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rogers is really bad when it comes to supporting phones they don't have. You may want to call them and lie, and say you and a TYTN instead of a Tilt, and see if they will try to help.
That being said, I know about 3 guys that have gotten either a TYTN II or a Tilt in the Vancouver area and have popped in their SIM card and everything has worked just fine, including myself. Have you tried flashing a different radio - I am using 1.27.12.17 - perhaps the At&T radios don't work in Canada?...just a thought
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OK, the radio I currently have is 1.27.12.11. Do I have to HardSPL before I install the new radio? Also, I notice you've SuperCID unlocked as well... do I need to do that also?
Thanks for the link to the radio file.
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Well, I got it to work, but...
The ongoing saga continues....
a) HardSPL'd and Flashed in a new radio 1.27.12.17. No change.
b) Played with the network settings a bit, and could occassionally get the phone to 'downgrade' to an Edge cx, and voila! the phone started working. But AT&T's software doesn't give me the option to 'hold' it there.
c) Talked to Rogers tech support -- pretty helpful really. They asked for the # of my SIM card and said it wasn't a '3G' card (it IS pretty old) and suggested I get a new one from the local guys. Went up, got one for free (since I gave them my old one) and tried it -- No luck, same problem.
d) Flashed QMobile 1.2 ROM -- still getting the at&t screen on initial startup, but everything else seems good and the HTC-ish stuff it's supposed to be.
e) Went to configure the phone band settings. If I leave them on 'Auto', it finds the Rogers 3G network and hooks up, but the same problem arises -- when it finishes dialing and tries to connect, it just ends the calls. And incoming calls go directly to my voicemail. HOWEVER, if I specifically configure it for GSM network and the 1900+850 bands, then it locks onto Edge and the phone works fine.
I guess it's back to tech support with Rogers to see what they have to say about my account, etc.
Very Weird.
/drt
similar looking thread here which might be helpful
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335074
Im personally still using the original at&t tilt radio ver 1.27.12.11 on Rogers and haven't had problems with voice on 3G. I haven't ever used a data connection with Rogers however..
Comatose said:
similar looking thread here which might be helpful
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335074
Im personally still using the original at&t tilt radio ver 1.27.12.11 on Rogers and haven't had problems with voice on 3G. I haven't ever used a data connection with Rogers however..
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Yup...from that thread, the description sounds EXACTLY like the difficulties I'm experiencing. It appears to be a hardware failure... Unfortunately, I bought from a guy on eBay, so I'm not sure I can send it in for repair. It works on Edge though, and that will be good enough for now.
Thanks everyone for the help.
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A few weeks ago, I bought an unlocked O2 XDA Stellar (Kaiser) from a work colleague. I put my 3UK sim in and had everything working well, but the next day when I turned on the phone, it wouldn't connect unless I forced it to use GSM mode.
The guy I bought it from put his O2 sim in and had the same problem, so he took it back to O2 under warranty. A week later it came back "fixed". It would appear to connect using 3G but it was impossible to make or receive calls unless it was forced into GSM mode, so it went back to O2 again.
Yesterday, I got a replacement unit from O2 and it worked perfectly with my 3UK sim.
Unfortunately, this morning it is back to only working if locked into GSM mode again.
I have heard of problems with Kaisers when they have been roaming (3UK roams onto Orange if the 3G signal is too weak), but I can't really imagine the phone isn't compatible with 3UK since they sell these as well!
As my work colleague is now on holiday for 2 weeks (so it can't be taken back for 2 weeks), does anybody have any ideas, or has anybody else experienced this problem?
Thanks
BTW, it's still running the stock O2 ROM
ditch the stock o2 rom flash it that fixed mine when i got an orange tytn2 im also on 3 but pandg. dont mean it will work work for you but hey worth a try?
The first time I had this problem, I flashed one of Dutty's ROMs but it didn't cure the problem. It just meant I had to reflash the original and Soft SPL etc. before it went back to O2.
Thanks anyway.
I've got a HTC branded Kaiser and I've had nothing but trouble trying to find a suitable radio ROM. The stock HTC ROM was just plain lousy on Orange & O2 (I have both SIM cards) whereas my old Nokia & Ericsson work perfectly well. I mean SO lousy that I more often don't have any signal at all most of the time, regardless of location. I've lost count of the number of ROMS that I've tried trying to find that "perfect" one. Now I'm convinced that it doesn't exist and because of this, the Kaiser and HTC themselves are sh1t!!
I had one ROM (forget which one) where the Orange signal would go from full to nothing on about a 3min cycle.... off, on, off, on etc eventhough the phone was in the same location.
I know this doesn't really help you, but at least you know you are not alone. Good luck finding that Holy Grail of a ROM. If you do, let me know!
Thanks, but it went from working really well yesterday to not working at all on 3G today.
I haven't made any changes since it worked.
If I enable 3G, it connects but shows the carrier as "3G 3" instead of just "3" and also shows the triangle roaming symbol (which it always shows when connected in GSM mode, but not normally when using 3G.
I'm not convinced that it's a ROM, or radio ROM related issue, but I can't believe that both Kaisers have developed the same problem, and both within 24 hours of using them on 3UK!
I may have to try and get it replaced again and sell it on though I would be very sad to see it go.
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Thanks, but it went from working really well yesterday to not working at all on 3G today.
I haven't made any changes since it worked.
If I enable 3G, it connects but shows the carrier as "3G 3" instead of just "3" and also shows the triangle roaming symbol (which it always shows when connected in GSM mode, but not normally when using 3G.
I'm not convinced that it's a ROM, or radio ROM related issue, but I can't believe that both Kaisers have developed the same problem, and both within 24 hours of using them on 3UK!
I may have to try and get it replaced again and sell it on though I would be very sad to see it go.
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I've had the same problem, i was wondering what that triangle ment, yesterday i started getting the Roaming notification, 3 is expensive enough without roaming charges!
I'm wating to get an 02 sim card anyway but im hoping i havnt screwed up my phone the GPRS icon still shows.
It appears to me that your "3" network is just too weak, therefore the device selects automatically the next available stronger network. Try setting your device on MANUAL NETWORK SELECTION and select the 3 Network.
http://www.modaco.com/content/kaiser-kaiser-modaco-com/275040/3-network/
Sometimes people call me and get a message saying my phone is off or out of service. But when I look at it, it often shows 4 bars of service..
When I call someone, the problem disappears temporarily, and I start receiving calls again (and I receive all the SMS's I was supposed to get at once), only to appear again later for no reason (a soft reset also solves it). It's not related to location, it also happens when I spend the day at home (where I get a strong signal).
I don't think it's a operator problem either, since my operator is known for it's good services, and other people who use "normal" phones never had such a problem.
I tried 3 different ROMs (dutty's hybrid, Hyperdragon and AthineOS) and 3 different radios (dutty's radio (1.65 something), hyperdragon's (1.70 something), and eMo radio). Right now I'm using AthineOS with hyperdragon III's radio, and almost no programs installed..
This problem happens both in 3G and EDGE mode.
Anything I can do about it?
Send it in for repair?
Seems you tried all you could...
Don't think I can send it for repair, since it's an AT&T Tilt and I'm not even in the US..
Guess I'm outta luck then
Anyone else have any ideas?
have you tried the sim in another handset, sounds like a network problem to me.
3G Network
Are you using 3G Network?
Sometime I use 3G band and even It show good signal I loose phone calls.
I changed to GSM and no phone calls loose.
This happens in São Paulo/Brazil but...
EDIT: Sorry. Now I saw that you reported this problem also using GSM band.
Thanks.
I am not sure if you're using your US SIM card in a foreign country?
Maybe you just forgot to enable INTERNATIONAL ROAMING before you left ... ?
I'm having the same problem
I seem to have started with the same problem about a week ago. A couple people complained that they called me but it rang twice and went to voicemail - My phone never rang. However, after I made a call (or apparently did something to "wakeup" the phone), I would get the voicemail notification (2 hours later).
I tried reseating the SIM card, but then it went to "SIM Card Missing". I did a hard reset, but that didn't help. I took it back to AT&T and they replaced the SIM Card. That seemed to work again, and certainly would have been a convenient fix (bad SIM card - too easy). So I've just spent all weekend reloading all the apps, but now it's happening again!!
The symptoms are; After I reboot the device, I can receive one or two calls, then it doesn't ring anymore (the caller hears 2 rings then it goes to voicemail). If I cycle the Phone radio button in the Comm Manager, or cycle power, it comes back to life for 1 call, then craps out again.
I'm just using the standard AT&T ROM (without the Bloatware after this past reset) and the standard/default radio version 1.27.12.11
The only thing that I have noticed that seems different lately is that the "Comm Manager" task is always running when I look at the running programs (which I don't think it used to) I had also recently installed Garmin XT.
The device is of course 1 yr + 2 weeks (so I assume just out of warranty)
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!
Hmmm,
what I would try, is, to just make a hard reset, load only my contacts to the phone and run it for a while to monitor its "Incalling" behavior. If everything seems to be fine, I would go ahead and start installing an application, then monitor my device again for a while, if everything is fine I will go ahead install the next application ... and so on. That is just to make sure that no 3rd party application causes this problems.
BTW:
I don't think that GARMIN causes this problem. I used to run Garmin on my HTC too (v5.0) until I came accross SYGIC McGuider (which works much better and card scrolling is much smoother than Garmin).
Well,
to come back to the point: if you get the same problems without loading any 3rd party application on your device, then I would recommend trying another ROM (best advice: go with the HTC stock ROM). If it also happens with the other ROM then it might be hardware related and difficult to fix.
Thanks - I knew that's what I should do, I just didn't want to do it after having spent all weekend reloading and configuring it. I thought I had read somewhere about Garmin having to have the phone radio on to work, so I was hoping there was a setting somewhere that I was missing that was powering the radio down. But..... I suppose it's time to go back to common sense and just do the reset
So far it seems to be working now. I'll give it a few days with just the basics and then start reloading one at a time.
Thanks for the quick response!
Spoke too soon
looks like I spoke too soon, it's doing it again - seems like it was fine for about 3 hours, but now .....
guess it's time to try my luck with AT&T - time to see how good their customer service is
bbaydiver said:
looks like I spoke too soon, it's doing it again - seems like it was fine for about 3 hours, but now .....
guess it's time to try my luck with AT&T - time to see how good their customer service is
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Well, I'm experiencig totally same stuff here. I don't know whats really going on. I've NEVER before had such or even simialr problem.
Ive installed stock HTC ROM. And its going again.
One question. Are you using Opera Mini maybe?
kristoff_sz said:
Well, I'm experiencig totally same stuff here. I don't know whats really going on. I've NEVER before had such or even simialr problem.
Ive installed stock HTC ROM. And its going again.
One question. Are you using Opera Mini maybe?
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no, I was just using the default browser.
I've got nothing installed on it at this point so I'm guessing it's hardware related.
Over the last couple months I had been experiencing some strange battery drainage (not related to the GPS issues). I don't know if that was a symptom or not. It just seems like the radio is going to sleep somehow - it wakes up for a little while if I sync my email, cycle the radio via comm manager, or cycle the power.
Anyone know if there is a setting somewhere that controls that? (sure would be nice if it were that simple)
The AT&T store was basically useless, all they did was give me the phone number for the warranty department (but since I'm 2 weeks past warranty, he doesn't think they'll help me), and of course offer to upgrade me to the Fuze for $375 - no thanks!
I've had the same issue (I think). I too think that it seems to happen when I have a 3G data connection active and moving back to GPRS (non 3G) seems to make it better....
I'm on a standard UK ROM and using BTMobile as a provider.
I was driving down the motorway the other day and overtook a friend. He rang me and went straight to voicemail. I then got a text to say that I had a voicemail and rang him back.
I was running TomTom Traffic at the time so would have had a data session enabled....
I think its something to do with the data session sometimes not letting a call through but can't put my finger on anything and certainly can't find an option to change any settings...
Also, even at home, I'm constantly picking up my phone to see that it "has no signal" and the exclamation mark is displayed - so calls aren't coming through - but it then connects and shows a three-bar strength signal. Don't understand why it keeps dropping out, but I get a 3G connection at the front of my house and an ordinary G connection at the back and I think that it sometimes to stay connected to the 3G connection for data even when the phone signal is very poor and it would be better dropping that and connecting at "old" GPRS speed...
Same on the train on the west coast main line out of London. I think having the 3G turned on causes the phone signal to drop out completely more than when 3G is turned off, as the phone tries to hang on to the signal of a 3G cell and doesn't successfully switch over to the next "non 3G" cell whilst in a call.
have you tried a new radio such as NIKI's?
well, AT&T warranty was even less than useless. Home phone, Internet, and Wireless all through AT&T and the best they can do is "see if they could get me a deal on a new phone" or refer me to HTC technical support. Nice customer service AT&T!!!
HTC technical support was actually trying to be helpful, once she found out I already did a hard reset, she referred me to their warranty group. They looked up the S/N and it's still under their warranty (I guess theirs is 15 months after manufacture date). Now the only problem is I have to send it in to them to see if it's covered under warranty, and of course be willing to go without my phone for 2 weeks (and pay them a yet to be determined amount if they decide it's not under warranty).
I'd like to try a different radio, but looks like there's too much for me to read up on - I need to get the device fixed, I've already lost too much time with it being messed up and me screwing with it.
Update
so this morning I was ready to throw in the towel and send the device back to HTC. At least they were willing to help me out, unlike AT&T.
I get to work, and of course the phone seems to be working (which isn't unusual, it works for a little while then craps out). Come lunch time, it's still working (now this is unusual, it must be a fluke, I'll give a couple more hours before I package it up). 4:00 and it's still working! Now I'm starting to wonder if it's got to do with the cell towers near my house (and the AT&T store since it did it for them too).
I email my buddy who lives about 1/2 mile away and also has a Tilt just to see if he's had any similar problems. He calls me back laughing. There's 5 People in his office with the exact same problem (and not all Tilts either).
So to make a short story long....... it appears to be a problem with AT&T, NOT the device (but Thank You very much AT&T for the incredible customer care you demonstrated and for trying to screw me into buying new devices for outrageous prices)
So at this point, I'm not sure if it's that AT&T has fixed the issue across the board, or if it was the "Resync the routing" that the online chat person tried last night that finally propagated across the network (I assume so that AT&T can find my phone in order to route the calls to me).
I guess we'll see if it does the same thing when I get back closer to home tonight, but I'm relieved that it appears to be fixed.
Thanks everyone for the suggestions! Now I have a little more time to read about how I can screw up my phone on my own schedule - all the practice of resetting it and reinstalling everything, and seeing how much faster it is has inspired me
Hi bbaydiver
Did Att fix your problem? I had same issue with my tilt 8925. I tried all the orginal Att rom "same problem". After couple minute, I can't receive and make call. thanks
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Hi bbaydiver
Did Att fix your problem? I had same issue with my tilt 8925. I tried all the orginal Att rom "same problem". After couple minute, I can't receive and make call. thanks
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Have you tied asking AT$T for a new sim card ? They do wear out you know.
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Have you tied asking AT$T for a new sim card ? They do wear out you know.
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I didn't tried asking AT&T for a new sim card. but I will call them to change the sim card. Does anybody know how to disable the 3G function?
Just a "me too..."
Hello everyone. I just wanted to report that I'm having the same issues...they started about a week or so ago.
I've had my AT&T Tilt for about 8 months now (it's a warranty replacement for my first tilt, bought in July...so of course, I'm out of warranty). I recently had problems receiving calls, and then I started being unable to make calls, even though my phone shows a decent signal...anywhere from 4 bars to 2 bars. When dialing, it'll say "Dialing..." for a few seconds...and then it clicks off. A soft reset will fix things temporarily, but that's it.
I'm running the stock AT&T ROM (I'll check the version number if someone thinks it'll help), and I've tried doing a hard reset AND replacing the SIM card. Same effect.
Someone please let me know if they resolved this problem. AT&T offered me an HTC Fuze...but I'm extremely wary of other phones by this manufacturer. I'm very, VERY tired of phones crapping out on me after having just spend a couple of hundred bucks on them. At this point, I'm just looking for something reliable. If someone else here has had problems with the Fuze, please let me know...not to start any fights around here, but I'm actually thinking about going with the iPhone.
Thanks.
I have a diamond which is Roaming to O2 when it is an Orange supplied and locked (I presume, Though I haven't another sim to try) device!
As my partner uses this phone now, I am getting hassled because when it roams to O2, she can not recieve or make calls etc. It is completely standard no tweeks etc and I was wondering if anyone else is having this problem in UK.
I have tried searching but seems mostly out of UK problems and no answers for me without changing rom, which I'm reluctant to do! (I don't use it, so if it goes even worse...so does the ear ache )
I can't seem to find anything HTC related either.
Orange are useless, and gave the usual reboot, hard boot etc, but still no help!
Maybe this is a faulty device...???
Orange CS not helpfull, so maybe I will throw back at them if I can't resolve here!
Anyway, hope someone maybe shed some light.
Thanks.
Hello all!
Just to start things of, I have read trough the forum and I've googled around alot about this but it doesn't look like anyne has ever posted what worked to fix this.
If there's someone that has sent in their kaiser to have the mb replaced could you please send me some sort of email where they state it is a factory problem? the warranty is out and I really don't want to pay for a new mb on this 2 year old phone.
I've tried several different radios and none of them work, currently using wm6.1 downloaded from htc.com.
Problem is as the topic states it doesn't work in 3g. As it tries to connect to the 3g network it just searches, but never connects.
Some of the threads I've read says that the ppl get it working sometimes, but for me it never happens.
I have got a working 3g simcard, and I've tried the card in another telephone and there it workds perfectly.
The phone is a HTC Tytn II
Anyone that can help me? thanks
It still just sounds like a radio problem. Have you tried the whole list of radios? Trying "several" might not be enough. As long as you have hardSPL'd your device there's no harm in trying the whole list of radios from here, starting with newest first and working your way up the list.
I'll try them all.. back in an hour .
There.. tried them all.
It connects to a 3g network, then when I try to make a phonecall or data session it just disconnects.
the closest I got was with the neon 1.58.25.17 where it was still connected even after the failed phonecall. It just beeps a couple of time and then it says I'm not connected to any network.
Just a little thought...
I've read that wcdma here in europe is at 2100 / 900.. but in my phone I can only choose between UMTS 2100, 1900+850 and 2100 + 800.
No I'm just dumb sorry..
Why not get it checked out professionally?
Maybe it's a damaged tracer inside the antenna sticker. It shouldn't cost much to get an HTC service centre to access what's wrong (although if it does require a new motherboard and they don't cover it under warranty, it'll probably be uneconomic to repair. Make sure it's fully reverted to a from the factory state (no hardSPL and original ROM/Radio/SPL) before taking it in though.
Well, that is the next logic step.
As I said in my first post, I have read on other forums aswell as this where people have had problem with this exact same thing and if anyone of them had it fixed with software I'd like to know.
You could buy a broken one on ebay for parts and just swap out that motherboard for your own instead of sending it to HTC. Its fairly straightforward to replace it.
Regards
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As I said in my first post, I have read on other forums aswell as this where people have had problem with this exact same thing and if anyone of them had it fixed with software I'd like to know.
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If you've restored it back to an as from the factory state (with all original ROM/Radio and SPL) and it's no longer behaving as it did when it was new (test with the memory card removed) then that proves the difference must be due to hardware changes/failures if you test it in areas where there's known good 3G coverage and the same sim gets good 3G coverage in another phone. If you haven't done this yet, I'd suggest you do (you didn't say if you changed back from hardSPL to OEM, it shouldn't make a difference but at least you'll know it's 100 % original). Preferably test it with an HTC WM 6.0 ROM/Radio/SPL. If that doesn't make a difference, before rushing out and spending money on motherboards etc, get it checked out by an HTC professional - the small cost of such testing may save you more money in the long run on parts that aren't actually needed. A work-around that's been used to get reception (although not in 3G) is to change the band just to GSM from Auto.
Good luck finding someone who's been through your exact scenario but this is something you can do in the mean time.
Hi ldjocke, I live in Italy and my Kaiser works fine with 3G (checked with Vodafone, TIM and 3 operators...)
Looking at band selection in phone settings, I can found:
Auto
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
Choosing Auto it succesfully connects...
In Italy GSM uses 900 and 1800 and UMTS uses 2100...
Where do you live?
Hello Ppelleg.
I'm in sweden, and got thesame settings as you on my phone.
Afther reading through this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335074 I'm confident that it's a hardware issue. Sending it in and will be back with information.
Just wanted to close this thread.. I sent it in for repair and as everyone said in the thread that I linked to in an earlier post it was the 3gcircuit that was burned.
But.. the price it cost me to fix it is the same as buying a brand new HTC HD2 (6880sek) and that's just not right.
Still looking for anyone that has gotten it in written from htc that the tytn had a couple of faulty boards. There should be some way around this massive amount..
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Just wanted to close this thread.. I sent it in for repair and as everyone said in the thread that I linked to in an earlier post it was the 3gcircuit that was burned.
But.. the price it cost me to fix it is the same as buying a brand new HTC HD2 (6880sek) and that's just not right.
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What did the the HTC repair centre had caused the board to fail? What did they say when you questioned them about having heard of such an issue with older models of the phone? If the price was going to be astronomical, they should have contacted you to get the go-ahead first (unless you'd given them authority to go ahead no matter what the cost).
Some points to put to them.