I am fairly new to rooting, but thanks to this great website and all your inputs I have learned so much over the past month.
I first rooted my G1 using the 1-click method which was great, but now my earpiece has blown I will be receiving a new handset next week. So I learned how to properly downgrade and install stock firmware for my old handset.
When I receive my new handset, I decided to take the plunge and root the traditional way for 2 reasons.. 1- to learn a different way and 2- its possible the security hole may be patched by then rendering the 1-click useless.
Anyway, after reading all the varying posts on how to downgrade/root/flash custom rom I am still left with a little confusion so hopefully someone can clear this up for me.
When actually rooting, I have seen methods to type various things in the telnet window, and another method to just rerun the .apk and select "protect root". What is the difference between these two methods? Do they both accomplish the same task of making a permanent root? One method actually said to download the JFreke rom to fix permissions to root, bo no other method mentioned that. Is that even necessary?
Also, I know that with Cyanogen Roms I do not really need to flash to "hard spl" if I decide to stay with cm roms, and cm recovery also allows the use of nandroid backup as well. The only other argument I have seen is that a hard spl would potentially allow someone to "unbrick" a bricked phone, but from everything I have read, most people have bricked trying to flash the hard spl.
If I am going to stay with cm roms, is there any real benefit to a hard spl other than increasing the brick chance? If I do upgrade the spl, am I correct that it would be done last, after a potential radio update (assuming my replacement handset does not come with the latest radio)?
Sorry for all the questions, and thanks in advance for your help.
This is the best guide I found.
I have done 4 phones using this method with only 2 minor differences.
1) I format the sd card using a microsd card reader instead of the phone.
2) when it says What To Do Now That You Have Root don't download any of the builds listed there, just download the latest cyan stable rom.
This is the guide hehe forgot to link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480
Oh and don't worry about swap or apps2sd partitions until after you root and verify that the rom is working with no problems, this will limit the number of variables in case you have troubles.
Thanks for the input.
So do you install hard spl according to that guide or do you skip that and just install the cm rom?
I love the auto apps2sd of cm roms. My phone is currently back on stock cupcake and I miss having all my apps on my 500mb ext 3 partition!
yea you need HardSPL. and use the recovery linked in the guide. Install cyan's recovery later.
This to me is the easiest step by step visual rooting process have done 3 G1 with full success. The newest G1 I had would not let me do the 1 click rooting method.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOo2V9qCauc&feature=related
maybeoneday said:
This to me is the easiest step by step visual rooting process have done 3 G1 with full success. The newest G1 I had would not let me do the 1 click rooting method.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOo2V9qCauc&feature=related
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Yeah I figured the new handset would most likely be patched. What was the result when you tried the 1-click. Would the new phone just not let you install the 1-click apk?
One thing I might add is you can't brick your phone by flashing Hardspl. It's the "danger" spl that has the potential of bricking your phone. Just follow the traditional guide that fingerlickin provided and your good to go.
Thanks for the help!
Anytime.......
Nope sure wouldn't just kept telling me install aborted. I don't no why. It could be some kind of patch. But I went to old faithfull step by step you tube install. Its really a nice video. You can pause the video and root your phone right along with guy doing the video. he also gives you links on the side bar to all files needed in the rooting process.
oh I'm sorry, I actually have one more question.
After flashing the HardSPl, would there ever be a reason to revert back to the original g1 spl? For instance if I had to send a phone back to t-mo, would they know that I am using the hardspl if all I did was reload the dreaimg.rbh rc-29 downgrade, or does that also reflash the spl back to the original?
Yes you would want to unroot phone before sending it to Tmobile, they do not warrenty a rooted phone
Unrooting
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=491350
dcorrea said:
oh I'm sorry, I actually have one more question.
After flashing the HardSPl, would there ever be a reason to revert back to the original g1 spl? For instance if I had to send a phone back to t-mo, would they know that I am using the hardspl if all I did was reload the dreaimg.rbh rc-29 downgrade, or does that also reflash the spl back to the original?
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You shouldn't ever have to go back. T-mo would prolly never check it. Many people have sent there phones in with root access and different things installed. But if you do get paranoid and ever have to do it, just flash RC29 and it will put everything back to stock.
maybeoneday said:
Yes you would want to unroot phone before sending it to Tmobile, they do not warrenty a rooted phone
Unrooting
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=491350
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I turned my phone in with root access and custom splash screen and they didn't say anything. You don't want to make it known that you have done anything to it, but they won't check. When they are sent in they just hook it up with jtag and reflash everything.
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You shouldn't ever have to go back. T-mo would prolly never check it. Many people have sent there phones in with root access and different things installed. But if you do get paranoid and ever have to do it, just flash RC29 and it will put everything back to stock.
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Ok thanks that is what I figured. I actually just unrooted my phone yesterday from cyanogens rom, but I never flashed the SPL (did the 1-click thing originally), but now that I am going to do the original method I wanted to be sure.
I can't wait for my replacement phone to get here next week, because using the stock cupcake rom sux!
Anyway, thanks to everyone who gave their input and helped me learn even more about the process! You all rock!
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I turned my phone in with root access and custom splash screen and they didn't say anything. You don't want to make it known that you have done anything to it, but they won't check. When they are sent in they just hook it up with jtag and reflash everything.
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Really, thats music to my ears. I have often thought it would be a pain if something broke on the phone and I had to try to unroot it before I sent it in. uhhhh like a bricked phone
I work in an electronics repair company and I agree with supremeteam256 about sending your phone in rooted. Our techs don't check for tampering, they just plug it in and use the programs my department writes to test and reflash the devices. Of course our devices are much more complicated but the same NON-Communication between customer service and technicians still exist.
I think the biggest reason for this is because the techs just aren't interested in explaining the technical details to a customer service rep because all they ever get is "huh? wtf is a bootloader?"
Disclaimer:
I'm not claiming that HTC or TMobile will not check or notice that you have rooted your phone. Just illustrating that the repair techs don't want to talk to customer service anymore than you do and would rather just fix the phone and move on to the next one.
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I work in an electronics repair company and I agree with supremeteam256 about sending your phone in rooted. Our techs don't check for tampering, they just plug it in and use the programs my department writes to test and reflash the devices. Of course our devices are much more complicated but the same NON-Communication between customer service and technicians still exist.
I think the biggest reason for this is because the techs just aren't interested in explaining the technical details to a customer service rep because all they ever get is "huh? wtf is a bootloader?"
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Nice breakdown.
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Hey Guys
I really hope I'm posting this in the right place. Please forgive my ignorance
For the past few days I have tried to get simple and UP TO DATE instruction on how to root the G1. There is so much information scattered out there that its quite overwhelming. Unfortunately I only understand half of the stuff I'm reading (at best) and was hoping one of you smart folks can help a complete amateur in my desperate quest to get root
Can someone please help me with the following:
1) are these steps for downgrading to RC 29 and rooting still applicable for cupcake?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480
2) what does it mean to update the radio, SPL, and ROM and how do I do that.
3) where can I find the latest versions of all the stuff I need?
4) will I be able to reinstall all the apps I've bought as long as sign in with the same email after rooting?
5) will some market apps be blocked for me after rooting?
I realize this sounds really ignorant but would appreciate any help I can get!
Think about how many times a day the same inquiries roll these boards. If you've been reading the boards for the past few days and didn't find the answer to the majority of those questions something ain't right meng. I'm not trying to be funny. I'm just saying. The foundation of everything you may or may not learn is slap dab one of the first posts in this forum.
I'm not going to get into that..but you need to. the answers to all your questions are here in front of you. It just gets frustrating (it was to me at least) at times because you might stumble upon 3 different but totally correct answers to one question. Thats exactly where i was right HERE. that was two weeks ago. jumped on the boards one friday night a wreck, by sunday night i was peacefully rooted. Slow down, think about what your doing and what you're reading. make sure you have some free time...TO YOUR SELF. get a pen and some paper right stuff down. take into consideration you might not make it in a day. yeah u might botch your way to ROOT, but unless you REALLLY understand and know how to get there...you could be setting yourself up for alot of frustration. thats all i have to say about that. you caught me on a good night...just had a glass of wine bout call it quits. sorry about any typos. good luck!
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Think about how many times a day the same inquiries roll these boards. If you've been reading the boards for the past few days and didn't find the answer to the majority of those questions something ain't right meng. I'm not trying to be funny. I'm just saying. The foundation of everything you may or may not learn is slap dab one of the first posts in this forum.
I'm not going to get into that..but you need to. the answers to all your questions are here in front of you. It just gets frustrating (it was to me at least) at times because you might stumble upon 3 different but totally correct answers to one question. Thats exactly where i was right HERE. that was two weeks ago. jumped on the boards one friday night a wreck, by sunday night i was peacefully rooted. Slow down, think about what your doing and what you're reading. make sure you have some free time...TO YOUR SELF. get a pen and some paper right stuff down. take into consideration you might not make it in a day. yeah u might botch your way to ROOT, but unless you REALLLY understand and know how to get there...you could be setting yourself up for alot of frustration. thats all i have to say about that. you caught me on a good night...just had a glass of wine bout call it quits. sorry about any typos. good luck!
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off topic here.... but you may want to change your sig.....
SPL before RADIO = FAIL
1) downgrading to RC29 has not changed. it is only different if you do not have a us or uk g1 (you will need to use a goldcard method otherwise)
2)
radio is here
(ota-radio-2_22_19_26I.zip )
http://www.htc.com/www/support/android/adp.html#s3
HardSPL found here w/ descriptions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=455860
3)what stuff?
4) yes your apps will be there
5) depends on the rom but most have all apps enabled
B-man007 said:
off topic here.... but you may want to change your sig.....
SPL before RADIO = FAIL
1) downgrading to RC29 has not changed. it is only different if you do not have a us or uk g1 (you will need to use a goldcard method otherwise)
2)
radio is here
(ota-radio-2_22_19_26I.zip )
http://www.htc.com/www/support/android/adp.html#s3
HardSPL found here w/ descriptions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=455860
3)what stuff?
4) yes your apps will be there
5) depends on the rom but most have all apps enabled
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Thanks so much! I realize hearing these basic questions about root over and over must be increadibly frustrating for you and appreciate the patience!
Any recommendations as to what ROM I should install? Not quite sure how the different versions compare.
off topic here.... but you may want to change your sig.....
SPL before RADIO = FAIL
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OUCH! Good looking out.
OP, I followed the instructions you linked to just a few days ago and it worked like a breeze. Much easier that I thought it would, and i have no experience with this. I would suggest that when you get to the final part where you are upgrading to a new ROM to try cyanogen's stable build 3.6.8.1. It is just like cupcake (what you had) with a ton of new options.
also, his pimped out recovery.img can be used... version 1.4. I followed that guide to a T, then learned of this new and improved recovery.img file he made. So, basically the next day I changed to this version and it is a lot better.
Partition your sd card when you finish this and his rom will put all of your apps on your SD card, which frees up a ton of internal memory. I went and d/loaded about 60 apps after doing this. His rom does it for you automatically... like, no thought needed, you want even know unless you go to settings and look at the memory.... or, you may b/c of the speed of your phone. This was also much easier than I though, basically just keying a few lines of text in terminal emulator (which you will have after loading his rom above).
Any of the other experienced people have any issues with what I said?
I would also suggest cyanogen's builds. It has a lot of features and is both relatively noob friendly, feature-packed, advanced capabilities for advanced users, and fast. His 4.0 stable is just around the corner with even more features than his current stable version. There are many other ROM's out there as well, you'll have to try em out yourself and see if you like them or not. (Be careful of the ones that say you need the updated SPL, such as the hero ROM's. If your not careful when updating to that SPL [Haykuro's 1.33.2005 SPL] you could brick your phone. )
Cyan's recovery is a must
its great no matter what ROM you choose to use
If you need anything else, feel free to PM me or post here
This is how I got it to work!!!
(SD CARD READER NEEDED)
Got it to work using this tutorial. If I had found it before I wouldn't have started a new thread. Will look harder in the future!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=533731
Followed steps until step 16
After step 16:
I had to install the JesusFreke rom cause it wouldn’t let me flash the cyanogen recovery image otherwise (permission denied problem as mentioned by author)
Installed cyanogen recovery image
I skipped partitioning the sd card at this point cause I didn’t plan on installing the Hero rom. If you want to flash the Hero rom you shouldn't skip partitioning
Installed latest Radio
Installed latest SPL
From here on I did my own thing:
Couldn’t boot after updating SPL cause rom got wiped by updating SPL. I had to put the new rom (Cyanogen v3.6.8.1) onto sd card, rename as update.zip and boot into recovery mode to flash it. This is were the sd card reader comes in handy.
You can find the Cyanogen ROM here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204
After flashing the rom it was stuck on the loading screen so I rebooted into recovery mode and did a clean swipe. Loaded just fine after that.
Created ext2 partition using Paragon Partition Manager (see threat below), rebooted and was good to go
Partitioning using Paragon Partition Manager:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...artitioning+sd
Thanks again for your help guys!
I just used cyan's recovery 1.4 and loaded the radio.zip, spl.zip, and rom.zip onto my sdcard and flashed them in that order. I didn't need to take my sdcard at all
ThR1LL said:
I just used cyan's recovery 1.4 and loaded the radio.zip, spl.zip, and rom.zip onto my sdcard and flashed them in that order. I didn't need to take my sdcard at all
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lol i c u used my guide.
Hope it was helpful hahahaha
nephron said:
lol i c u used my guide.
Hope it was helpful hahahaha
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There's a guide on this?!?! WTF!!! I like freaked out over a week trying to figure out how to flash the new SPL without taking out my SD card until I found this post and made it work with cyan's new recovery. Someone should sticky your guide bc I had no idea it existed lol.
ThR1LL said:
There's a guide on this?!?! WTF!!! I like freaked out over a week trying to figure out how to flash the new SPL without taking out my SD card until I found this post and made it work with cyan's new recovery. Someone should sticky your guide bc I had no idea it existed lol.
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ya . Right here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=548924
o and right here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532719
(scroll down to fastboot)
nephron said:
ya . Right here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=548924
o and right here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532719
(scroll down to fastboot)
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Ohh lol see I didn't bother reading that ADB guide since I already had adb since pre-cupcake when I attempted to root my phone the first time.
i had to reroot my phone because somehow i lost the recovery image and it wouldnt let me flash anything
so i went re did everything
and i put the danger spl on here and now its stuck at the Tmobile G1 screen
am i screwed or is there something that i can do
Did you flash the radio first?
no
i didnt i couldnt remember which one was first
Remember when you flash the new spl you HAVE TO flash the rom again after it. Did you do that?
it doesnt even let me get to the recovery image to do that i had just flashed to jf 1.51 btw
roguestatuskat said:
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i didnt i couldnt remember which one was first
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if you can't boot into recovery (home and power) or bootloader (camera and power) then your phone is bricked. you can either call your provider or htc and say something about an update, and see if you can get a replacement phone.
can i just go to the tmo store tomarrow? and then they can just give me a new one?
roguestatuskat said:
can i just go to the tmo store tomarrow? and then they can just give me a new one?
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you could try it, sometimes it is better over the phone, but you can try in store.
make sure you sound as dumb as possible, like you don't know anything about xda, rooting, flashing, brick, or anything technical. just say something about an update, then afterward it started back up, that it wouldn't boot.
im mexican so i can be all like
i was like eschool nd then the thing was like update nd i turn off pero no turn back on
phone or Tmo store which one is faster?
roguestatuskat said:
im mexican so i can be all like
i was like eschool nd then the thing was like update nd i turn off pero no turn back on
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haha, i imagine that one would work
hopefully very well
The same exact thing happened to me a few monthes back, I called them and after some bs story they sent out a replacement phone. Then once you get the replacement, you just put your original phone back in the box and ship it back to them.
I have been able to replace a g1 in the store. Just don't take no for an answer. And if you have to take a hostage.
supremeteam256 said:
I have been able to replace a g1 in the store. Just don't take no for an answer. And if you have to take a hostage.
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hahahahaha
but seriously though, you should try a little harder before resorting to re-rooting. You know that it may not always be possible to fall back to RC29 if HTC decides to change the keys, right? You should learn how to troubleshoot so you wont have to resort to that
damnit google, just give us root and this wont happen
roguestatuskat said:
damnit google, just give us root and this wont happen
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lmfao they have. it costs $424 + shipping
google android developer phone
sorry google i apologize despite your cockliness towards cyanogen
what i meant to say is damnit Tmobile give us all dev phones
Rooted phones would do more harm than good to the average user...
As for your situation, does holding the Camera or Home key not boot you into SPL or recovery, respectively?
It's likely than when you went back to RC29 to reroot, your radio is reverted back along with it, and then you flashed the dangerSPL to brick your phone.
cigar3tte said:
Rooted phones would do more harm than good to the average user...
As for your situation, does holding the Camera or Home key not boot you into SPL or recovery, respectively?
It's likely than when you went back to RC29 to reroot, your radio is reverted back along with it, and then you flashed the dangerSPL to brick your phone.
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flashing the DangerSPL then the RC29 image should have any detrimental affect on the phone. People has successfully downgraded directly to RC29 with success.
I've read many posts to that extent, but I cannot be 100% as I haven't done it myself
i dont have a data plan now so i cant activate the phone and i cant use adb cause its not working on win7 for me..is there anyway i can just flash spl and radio and skip the recovery image? I tried someones sim but it just says error when i try to register.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.. or Confirm this is correct. but..
If you're on an official rom you're out of luck, but if you can update to an ADP rom no login will be required. It's not a SPL or radio issue, purely rom based.
sonikamd said:
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.. or Confirm this is correct. but..
If you're on an official rom you're out of luck, but your can always update to an ADP rom. No login required on those. It's not a SPL or radio issue, purely rom based.
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im not sure wat ADP is..but im trying to root and i followed the guide for one click root from unlockr, is there anyway for me to use a ADP rom?
What phone are you using on what network? Was the other person's sim card on the same network? did they have an android data plan?
ADP means Android Developer Phone.
sonikamd said:
What phone are you using on what network? Was the other person's sim card on the same network? did they have an android data plan?
ADP means Android Developer Phone.
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Oh both sims were tmobile US, and the other phone was a moto zn5 so it wasnt a g1 plan.
So I'm *assuming* you're on a G1. You basically have three choices, either goto a t-mobile store and beg one of their techs to let ya use their data to register, find someone else with a g1+data and ask to use their sim card or go adp.
The downside of going with an adp rom is you'll loose the t-mobile branded stuff like tmo ringtones, the myfaves app, ?youtube? (not sure on this one, you should do some reading first or hope someone else chips in).
If you really need your phone now, and are able to install custom roms the adp version of donut can be found --here-- Note: I run the official roms so am not too well versed in ADP vs. AOSP+ADP but it looks like you may actually want the latter(AOSP+ADP)
sonikamd said:
So I'm *assuming* you're on a G1. You basically have three choices, either goto a t-mobile store and beg one of their techs to let ya use their data to register, find someone else with a g1+data and ask to use their sim card or go adp.
The downside of going with an adp rom is you'll loose the t-mobile branded stuff like tmo ringtones, the myfaves app, ?youtube? (not sure on this one, you should do some reading first or hope someone else chips in).
If you really need your phone now, and are able to install custom roms the adp version of donut can be found --here-- Note: I run the official roms so am not too well versed in ADP vs. AOSP+ADP but it looks like you may actually want the latter(AOSP+ADP)
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i dont have root i just installed dreaimg.nbh then flashed cupcake via home+end the press alt+l then alt+s.So i dont have any custom recovery images on my g1.
what guide did you follow? I'm confused, i thought the dreaimg.nbh was part of the rooting/testkey part...
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what guide did you follow? I'm confused, i thought the dreaimg.nbh was part of the rooting/testkey part...
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this first:
http://theunlockr.com/2009/07/05/how-to-unroot-your-t-mobile-g1/
im up to this but at setup screen:
http://theunlockr.com/2009/08/22/how-to-root-the-mytouch-3g-or-g1-in-one-click/
can i rename the recovery image to update.zip the load it in recovery mode?
No, no renaming the recovery image.
Ok, so let me get this straight. You unrooted a rooted phone, to install the official cupcake so you could "one touch" root it which installs a custom recovery image @ the same time?
this is starting to hurt my head...
sonikamd said:
No, no renaming the recovery image.
Ok, so let me get this straight. You unrooted a rooted phone, to install the official cupcake so you could "one touch" root it which installs a custom recovery image @ the same time?
this is starting to hurt my head...
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i never rooted before i was just following the instructions because i had 1.6/donut on my phone.all i wanted to do was install a hero rom and the one click is the shortest way i knew.
Gotcha, headaches gone but unfortunately it looks like your stuck. It appears this process *assumes* you have a data connection(for the login process) and without this most guides out there are going to be useless, especially at this point.
I'd say add data for a month or w/e then remove it if you must once done doing what you're doin... or go back to looking for someone with data that can help ya get logged in. Bout the only ways out I can forsee atm.. Wish I could be more help...
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Gotcha, headaches gone but unfortunately it looks like your stuck. It appears this process *assumes* you have a data connection(for the login process) and without this most guides out there are going to be useless, especially at this point.
I'd say add data for a month or w/e then remove it if you must once done doing what you're doin... or go back to looking for someone with data that can help ya get logged in. Bout the only ways out I can forsee atm.. Wish I could be more help...
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thanks for the help
I was gonna get flex-pay at Tmo since i hate being tied down to contracts and it can have a g1 data plan added.
alright, cool. Ya, i just got it from someone else wiser than I that without data you've got a long road ahead of ya getting your phone back up n running.
You can always do it the old-fashioned way... Just downgrade to RC29, login with WiFi. Then do the root process that way. Only takes 15min at most.
h.nocturna said:
You can always do it the old-fashioned way... Just downgrade to RC29, login with WiFi. Then do the root process that way. Only takes 15min at most.
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i cant use wifi since icant get in to settings since im at setup screen
Ace42 said:
i cant use wifi since icant get in to settings since im at setup screen
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There's a way to bypass it with rooted ROMs, of which RC29 is one. You can. There's a whole guide on how to do it.
I just got a new phone from T-Mobile to swap out for my defective unit and I just flashed my SPL before my radio!!! I fuxxed up!!!! Is there anything I can do!????!!!!!??????
what radio did you have? if it was the latest radio to begin with, you are all good. if not, you probably screwed the pooch
Old radio. I was in the process of rooting and thought to myself, "Oh better update the SPL" damn I'm an IDIOT!!! I knew better!!!! >.<
Why is it that every other day someone starts a new thread on bricking their phone?!?! SEARCH! Either way you have a brand new paperweight...I suggest to all that brick their phones...DON'T MONKEY WITH IT! Get a new phone and stick with stock. Cheers
Hi,
Did you already root your phone and flash a modified recovery?
Then copy your firmware to a sdcard as update.zip and you should be able to flash from recovery.
matthenry87 said:
Old radio. I was in the process of rooting and thought to myself, "Oh better update the SPL" damn I'm an IDIOT!!! I knew better!!!! >.<
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matthenry87 said:
I just got a new phone from T-Mobile to swap out for my defective unit and I just flashed my SPL before my radio!!! I fuxxed up!!!! Is there anything I can do!????!!!!!??????
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You should return that phone anyway, the Nexus or some new andro with snap dragon will be released or maybe phone with sense?
Seems you lack common-sense for doing what you did. When you think about it that spl is only for spec roms, so things like cyan dont need it.
bestwebs said:
Hi,
Did you already root your phone and flash a modified recovery?
Then copy your firmware to a sdcard as update.zip and you should be able to flash from recovery.
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Dude, if you flash the danger SPL before the radio you can't get past the G1 screen, ie can't get into recovery, fast boot, anything at all! Hence it being the most notorious way to brick's one's G1.
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I just got a new phone from T-Mobile to swap out for my defective unit and I just flashed my SPL before my radio!!! I fuxxed up!!!! Is there anything I can do!????!!!!!??????
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i tells you what you can do. this worked for me. i did the same **** on my replacement g1. i said "when i got the replacement it was running 1.1. i was prompted to update, and i did so. when the phone rebooted it never went past the g1 screen. u have to make big stink about this
i did that and they shipped me one next day air. being that that was the third replacement they sent me within 1 week, and i never had to make an embarrassing thread about bricking my phone
Thanks b0ricuaguerrero that makes me feel a lot better about the phone call I'm bout to make to T-Mobile.
Why does every thread have big-headed flame-whores who just need to feel superior to others?? We all make stupid mistakes and I knew better than to flash the SPL before the radio. I had a stoner moment I guess you could call it. I haven't used a stock rom since I bought the phone when it came out and I don't plan on using one in the future.
I was also thinking.. maybe Armon could add something to the confirmation process of the flash and if the file is *spl*.zip it would remind them they absolutely must flash their radio first. I know some of you might proceed to flame me more, but that probably would have been enough to remind me. Then maybe these brick threads would pop up every week instead of every day XD
I did however post my thread in the correct section though! =P
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Why does every thread have big-headed flame-whores who just need to feel superior to others?? We all make stupid mistakes and I knew better than to flash the SPL before the radio. I had a stoner moment I guess you could call it. I haven't used a stock rom since I bought the phone when it came out and I don't plan on using one in the future.
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I agree. I very nearly bricked my phone when first I flashed the new spl. Back then, I was using the old CM recovery (where you had to rename to update.zip), and flashed the update, then renamed the spl, and was about to flash it, but then something told me to double-check... and I realized that the first update I flashed was not the latest radio, but was, in fact, a different update.zip. I was one click away from brick. The thing is, you don't have to be an idiot to brick when you play on XDA.
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I was also thinking.. maybe Armon could add something to the confirmation process of the flash and if the file is *spl*.zip it would remind them they absolutely must flash their radio first. I know some of you might proceed to flame me more, but that probably would have been enough to remind me. Then maybe these brick threads would pop up every week instead of every day XD
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You SHOULD suggest that idea to Amon-RA about the reminder for anything with spl in it. Sounds stupid, and sure, idiots shouldn't root their phones, but they do. It would certainly help keep the forums cleaner.
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I did however post my thread in the correct section though! =P
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Thank you, times a million, for not posting in Development!
HI,
Actually it depends on the mother board in the phone also.
That could be why he can't get into recovery mode.
I was able to get into recovery after flashing the danger spl 8 months ago.
So it can be done sometimes.
Exactly what does your comment add toward helping this member revive his phone? Nothing.
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Dude, if you flash the danger SPL before the radio you can't get past the G1 screen, ie can't get into recovery, fast boot, anything at all! Hence it being the most notorious way to brick's one's G1.
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HI,
Actually it depends on the mother board in the phone also.
That could be why he can't get into recovery mode.
I was able to get into recovery after flashing the danger spl 8 months ago.
So it can be done sometimes.
Exactly what does your comment add toward helping this member revive his phone? Nothing.
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He flashed the spl BEFORE the radio, that always causes a brick, no questions asked. If you flash the spl wrong you cannot get into the OS, Recovery, or Bootloader- essentially you have a very nice paperweight that has a very nice screen
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HI,
Actually it depends on the mother board in the phone also.
That could be why he can't get into recovery mode.
I was able to get into recovery after flashing the danger spl 8 months ago.
So it can be done sometimes.
Exactly what does your comment add toward helping this member revive his phone? Nothing.
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And what exactly does your comment add toward helping this member revive his phone? Nothing.
OP, really am sorry to hear you made a mistake you knew better than. Hopefully you can get T-Mo to replace it for you using the "failed update" method.
I'd like to flash my Vivid with the new Rum Float ROM and from what I gather; now that a RUU is available it should be fairly easy. I.bought the phone last Thursday and haven't had a chance to grab a SD card. I just want to make sure that I fully understand the process involved. I've read a number of posts here at XDA and elsewhere but I still have a few questions to make sure my knowledge is solid and I don't end up with an HTC paperweight! A) Will the Android market will have a record of what I have already dl'd so I can dl it again? B) Is using the RUU executable fairly simple? Should I do the BL UL before I restore?(I would like root, so I'm assuming that this is one of the first steps!) C) Is it a simple follow the instructions sort of thing with the RUU? D) Will "frigid's" "supertool" method to get root work in this instance or do I need to use CWM? E) I'm using an AT&T Vivid could somebody give me a simple step by step(not in detail, but if you could that would be great!) Such as "1- Do BL UL, 2- Run supertool for root, 3 - Run RUU, etc, etc, etc
Also there appears to be a sense and a NONSense version of the ROM, are they both included in the RUU exe file? And for the NONSense version will there be any difference in stability, performance, you acceleration, etc?
Thanks for any info in advanced!
-MeeGz-
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I'd like to flash my Vivid with the new Rum Float ROM and from what I gather; now that a RUU is available it should be fairly easy. I.bought the phone last Thursday and haven't had a chance to grab a SD card. I just want to make sure that I fully understand the process involved. I've read a number of posts here at XDA and elsewhere but I still have a few questions to make sure my knowledge is solid and I don't end up with an HTC paperweight! A) Will the Android market will have a record of what I have already dl'd so I can dl it again? B) Is using the RUU executable fairly simple? Should I do the BL UL before I restore?(I would like root, so I'm assuming that this is one of the first steps!) C) Is it a simple follow the instructions sort of thing with the RUU? D) Will "frigid's" "supertool" method to get root work in this instance or do I need to use CWM? E) I'm using an AT&T Vivid could somebody give me a simple step by step(not in detail, but if you could that would be great!) Such as "1- Do BL UL, 2- Run supertool for root, 3 - Run RUU, etc, etc, etc
Also there appears to be a sense and a NONSense version of the ROM, are they both included in the RUU exe file? And for the NONSense version will there be any difference in stability, performance, you acceleration, etc?
Thanks for any info in advanced!
-MeeGz-
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The RUU DOES NOT CONTAIN MY ROM. It is an official tool used by HTC for upgrading and returning to stock.
Android market will keep tabs on purchased apps. It will not keep track of free apps.
You need an sdcard to keep safe.
The RUU is easy to run. Its just an exe. Follow the on-screen prompts.
I don't know what you are trying to restore but it would appear you have your terminology and methods all mixed up.
RUU will get you a stock ics. And it will wipe your apps and settings. It will act like a phone you just pulled out of the box with ics.
In order to run rum float (or any aftermarket rom) you need to unlock your bootloader. Rooting has nothing to do with it. Unlock bl then flash recovery on then flash rom and kernel.
Your steps as you perceive them are slightly off. I don't recommend you do anything to your phone right now.
After you complete the RUU you'd have to go to htc.dev and unlock your bootloader. After you can fastboot flash a recovery and CWM with root. After that's complete you can flash a rom of your choice. I'd get familiar with using fastboot commands in ADB (command prompt). I guess you can use the supertool to root but it isn't necessary really a matter of preference. Check out the superguide. Maybe PG or someone can update it with specific steps if you are using the RUU but the process is the same. It starts with the unlocking the bootloader. Definitely pick up an SD card!
Thanks for the quick replies and the clarification. I think I get it now, I would do the following to get to a rooted custom ICS Rom: Unlock the boot loader, root and run titanium backup to save my apps(using an ad card), run the RUU and get to stock HTC ics, copy ROM to sd card, re-root, download and run CWM, root again and restore apps with titanium backup, enjoy!
The only things that may be a bit off in that process is running the RUU as I don't need that to just flash a custom ROM, assuming said ROM includes the ICS kernel. If did have to use the RUU would I have to re-root to run cwm? Also the actual ROM itself is installed from HBoot, correct?
Sorry if these sound like dumb questions, I'm just new at this. I really appreciate the replies. I'm sure I will pick this up fairly quickly as I have years of linux & OS X command line experience and am well versed with c. It's just kind of information overload on this board as there is such a wealth and variety of info here!
Thanks again,
-MeeGz-
So you can run the ruu.exe even if you are rooted, unlocked bootloader, on att stock? Or do you have have to relock bootloader to proceed with the ruu?
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RUU is for stock roms IIRC. If you are rooted and already unlocked I'd use the original method PG and Thecubed created.
back on my computer for a little better explanation.
the RUU or the methods that thecubed and i have laid out will get you the necessary HBOOT/RADIO/etc that you will need to flash a custom ICS rom
either method will get you the same thing....an updated HBOOT and ICS
if you run the bootloader unlock tool from htcdev, YOU WILL LOSE ALL YOUR SETTINGS! it will wipe the device like its brand new......do NOT include this in your dreams of getting backups prior to flashing a custom rom....
please just read through the posts and understand what is going on.
in order for ICS to happen on your vivid you need the new HBOOT, Radio, and various other components that the RUU/PH39IMG contain
there are 3 different roads you can follow to get there, the EASIEST being just run the RUU (WHICH WILL ALSO WIPE SETTINGS!), afterwards, reboot to bootloader, unlock bootloader, reboot to fastboot, fastboot flash the boot.img and the recovery.img of your choice on (limited on boot.img's at the moment, better use the one from the rom), reboot to recovery and flash the rom
the other methods imply you understand somewhat how the process works.
relock bootloader (if unlocked), run PH39IMG install, unlock bootloader, fastboot flash recovery and boot.img, reboot to recovery and flash rom.....
if you wrap your head around HOW it works, its all really simple....so the first step is understanding HOW it works, not blindly following some tutorial or walkthrough.
please try to LEARN and UNDERSTAND what it is you are doing....
PS. you have involved ROOTING too many times in your post...... the rom is already ROOTED, you dont have to ROOT to unlock, flash rom or anything....ROOTING is only applicable INSIDE the booted OPERATING SYSTEM, and has nothing to do with recovery/bootloader
i feel i need to apologize to the board here.
frustrations were not directed at the OP of this thread, just in general....
i have been inundated with PM's and seeing the same barrage of questions for the last few days on the forum....
i can understand everyone's excitement...hell i was excited to get this too.
but you all need to read, and try to take it all in before attempting anything. sometimes those of us that understand whats going on, dont explain in a whole lot of detail, because we take the knowledge for granted, and assume if you are on this site, you are here to learn. it is frustrating to see the same questions pop up on nearly an hourly basis...
all i ask is that you take forth the effort to learn how these tools of ours work and understand that a lot of us working on things like this rely on you guys to assist each other in the process. that leaves us more time to deal with what we need to deal with and try and fix and squash bugs/processes/etc.
in return i apologize if i seem on edge the last couple of days...its because i am. if you can imagine one question multiplied by a hundred.....and having people freaking out about them 'bricking'.....after being warned its possible, but unlikely. i think most of these 'bricks' are salvageable and just require someone that understands how they work.
sorry to seem like an ass, but mainly its because i am an ass, and i have a hard time being nice most of the time.
Thanks pirateghost. I understand how to do the other methods but wanted to use something less complicated with less risk for user error. I read and read everything that is posted on the forums. I try not to ask a question unless I am not understanding what has been posted. Thanks for your patience and understanding.
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PG, so im pretty sure i "bricked" it lol. im not upset as it was entirely my fault, just wondering if there is any way to get this mother to turn on? i know that when i plug it into the computer it recognizes it but not as anything i have seen lol..if i can find the correct drivers can this be reversed?
Thanks
Thanks to PG for everything and the instructions. I thought I had bricked my phone, but theCube was able to help me on IRC, which is where I suggest anybody go for real-time assistance.
This could off all been avoided with step by step Detail instruction. Why? Well example , I don't follow this forum at all never had an HTC phone but my wife's phone the vivid. All my phone has been Nexus and the galaxy line from Samsung, things over there are a bit different. All I did was flash the ph.img and then after not seen the device reboot I wipe/factory reset and all when to hell from there. Couldn't unlock the bootloader or reboot the phone. How could this happen? Assuming that people should know the basic is wrong. I'm not in any way blaming anyone I did this own my on risk but at the same time I'm super mad had to buy a new phone. As developer you should eliminate all threats and post a details instructions step by step with do's and don't before posting firmwares.
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As developer you should eliminate all threats and post a details instructions step by step with do's and don't before posting firmwares
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As a user, you should understand the risks/benefits of the things you download. The devs are under no obligation to keep you from bricking your phone, and to be fair, most everything is covered in the Superguide and the various ROM threads. Even if someone were to post a file called NOT_A_VIRUS.EXE and you downloaded it and it wiped your computer when you ran it, the responsibility is squarely on your shoulders.
As far as I remember, there is no dev/user contract and they're not getting paid for any of this.
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As developer you should eliminate all threats and post a details instructions step by step with do's and don't before posting firmwares.
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oh?
am i being paid to do a job here?
i gave instructions based on how *I* got it to work and duplicated the procedure several times. so its MY responsibility to try and find a way to brick my phone for you?
an RUU cant brick your phone.....however, being a retard can.
this is the type of attitude i would expect my boss to have, if i screwed up a project....but alas, i am here out of my own free will.....
if this is how you feel, then you should get the F off this site.
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As a user, you should understand the risks/benefits of the things you download. The devs are under no obligation to keep you from bricking your phone, and to be fair, most everything is covered in the Superguide and the various ROM threads. Even if someone were to post a file called NOT_A_VIRUS.EXE and you downloaded it and it wiped your computer when you ran it, the responsibility is squarely on your shoulders.
As far as I remember, there is no dev/user contract and they're not getting paid for any of this.
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I totally 100% agree with you. If you HAVE taken the time to read and are still a bit confused, ask! For me I'm not even a week into this platform and I WILL NOT do anything that I don't entirely understand. The problem with android, if you could even call it a problem, is that there is such a huge variety of handsets and a big variety methods for doing this, that, and the other thing. It basically results in a non-linear process to get from point A to point B. It's imperative to understand the basic proceedures. If you were here since the G1, great, you've been able to.follow things from the start. I've used iOS for years, and I still love it btw.(only jailbroken of course!) I'll probably buy an iPad 3! The software is integrated with the hardware amazingly well, battery life is phenomenal, and ONCE JAILBROKEN, iOS is an excellent platform. Sure the "spec numbers" may not be as high but it boils down to.performance. That has always been great for me, obviously battery life is exceptional on apple devices as well. I'm hoping with a rooted ICS Rom there won't be cpu-time hogging processes and ill be able to adjust other things accordingly to get somewhat better battery life. I really wish each OEM would take the time to optimize the SW that they're using to the HW that they're selling. B/C from what I've seen the "Nexus" devices generally perform extremely well, even.against higher spec'd devices. So far I'm loving Android and my Vivid. I love the freedom that I get even on a non-rooted device! It's an excellent platform. Flexible, dynamic, and personal. Customization is there from the get-go. There are a million different things that one could do, even while staying un-rooted. The only reason that I've waited so long to get on board with android is ibwas waiting for it to grow and mature, if I could have a device that tri-booted Android, iOS, and WebOS I'd be a very happy person. I love using multiple platforms.
PG - I'm sorry if I bothered you, thanks for the great info though!
I think knowledge-wise I'm at a point where I'm not going to brick my phone. Wish me luck!
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oh?
am i being paid to do a job here?
i gave instructions based on how *I* got it to work and duplicated the procedure several times. so its MY responsibility to try and find a way to brick my phone for you?
an RUU cant brick your phone.....however, being a retard can.
this is the type of attitude i would expect my boss to have, if i screwed up a project....but alas, i am here out of my own free will.....
if this is how you feel, then you should get the F off this site.
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Seriously if that is how you feel do get the f*ck off this site please. The devs in all mobile hacking communities are unpaid and do it for fun. You sir are a prime example of WHY THEY LEAVE!!! IF YOU DON'T KNOW AND HAVE READ, ASK, DON'T BE A ****!!!
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This could off all been avoided with step by step Detail instruction. Why? Well example , I don't follow this forum at all never had an HTC phone but my wife's phone the vivid. All my phone has been Nexus and the galaxy line from Samsung, things over there are a bit different. All I did was flash the ph.img and then after not seen the device reboot I wipe/factory reset and all when to hell from there. Couldn't unlock the bootloader or reboot the phone. How could this happen? Assuming that people should know the basic is wrong. I'm not in any way blaming anyone I did this own my on risk but at the same time I'm super mad had to buy a new phone. As developer you should eliminate all threats and post a details instructions step by step with do's and don't before posting firmwares.
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REALLY? You want the UNNPAID DEV'S TO REMOVE ALL THREATS?!?!?! FROM WHAT IS BASICALLY OSS AND A FIRMWARE THAT SOMEBODY DL'D? REALLY? These guys take a FW and cook it into a ROM for FREE and just b/c you didn't take the time to understand it you're gonna put it on them? WTF?!?!?!?
i'll make him a deal. next time we get a hold of something like this, i will let him figure out how to get it on his phone....i don't have to share how...
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This could off all been avoided with step by step Detail instruction. Why? Well example , I don't follow this forum at all never had an HTC phone but my wife's phone the vivid. All my phone has been Nexus and the galaxy line from Samsung, things over there are a bit different. All I did was flash the ph.img and then after not seen the device reboot I wipe/factory reset and all when to hell from there. Couldn't unlock the bootloader or reboot the phone. How could this happen? Assuming that people should know the basic is wrong. I'm not in any way blaming anyone I did this own my on risk but at the same time I'm super mad had to buy a new phone. As developer you should eliminate all threats and post a details instructions step by step with do's and don't before posting firmwares.
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You know, its users like you that get Devs frustrated and not want to share the work that they have accomplished. XDA is a site for Devs, its not a WalMart that people can stop by and expect to be spoonfed and be on their merry way. Pirateghost is a very talented Dev who wanted to share something with this community, and instead of saying "thank you" you decide to look a the glass as half empty instead of half full and EXPECT MORE from him?
Reading your post, it tells me that you dont frequent the HTC forums at all, and instead of reading up, you just decided to flash. Just because it didnt go as smoothly as you thought it would is NO REASON to tell a Dev that they needed to do more. That part lays on you.
Next time you decide to tell a Dev that "they need to do more" I think you need to do more reading so it prevents you from having to buy a new phone. If it dosent make sense to you or you dont think theres enough documentation/step-by-step instructions YOU HAVE THE POWER TO SAY NO AND NOT FLASH IT.
Uh, there's a reason every single solitary dev puts a disclaimer on their ROM threads. Their work, if directions are not followed to the letter can turn your device into a +/- 200$ paperweight. I've been lurking around these forums for a hot minute, rarely post ( not an ounce of dev skill being the main reason), and really, when's the last time a dev didn't post at least semi detailed instructions to go along with his/her OP.
@pirateghost- bought a vivid literally 12 hours ago, got home, saw your thread, FOLLOWED THE DIRECTIONS CAREFULLY, and now have ICS on my device. Just wanted to say thanks.
And now for the most epic noob question of all time. Wth is RUU? I'm very familiar with flashing roms, cam, tibu, etc from my days on the sgsII SR forums. So most if not all HTC terminology is new to me.
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