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Hi amigos:
I been searching around and I cant find a solution for this annoying thing .
If I connect to my 3G usign my kaiser for more than 10 minutes, the phone is getting extremly warm. I try to put the back light low but doesnt help. I'm usign Dutty 29 apr. Rom and radio version is 1.58.21.23 and I'm in Denmark.
Is your battery draining fast?
Get a battery meter and test that because I had a TyTN that did that...
same here original rom wm6.1 NL
Noel M said:
Hi amigos:
I been searching around and I cant find a solution for this annoying thing .
If I connect to my 3G usign my kaiser for more than 10 minutes, the phone is getting extremly warm. I try to put the back light low but doesnt help. I'm usign Dutty 29 apr. Rom and radio version is 1.58.21.23 and I'm in Denmark.
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If I where you I would try a diffrent radio and check what aps you are running in background/prosseses. I often use my kaiser as an wifi router and I dont think you gets close to as warm as mine streaming and charging at the same time I abuse it so hard it resets itself, now thats hot hehe. Anyway, some radio are battery monsters for me, its just about to find the best one for youreself.
I have good experience with: 1.58.25.17 in Norway, havent tried it whit duttys.
If not you can try 1.65.14.06 and 1.65.17.10 wich dutty included whit the release.
To 2007HHR: Yes the baterry draining fast that is the worst part. what is the purpose for use a battery meter? Its going to solve my battery problem?
Raiisak I will try another radio, hope it will help me, I never experience a phone that will become warm after using it for a long time. Really annoying
Noel M said:
To 2007HHR: Yes the baterry draining fast that is the worst part. what is the purpose for use a battery meter? Its going to solve my battery problem?
Raiisak I will try another radio, hope it will help me, I never experience a phone that will become warm after using it for a long time. Really annoying
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i only experienced this one time when i had my gps turned on for half an hour and my phone turned into a hot potato and battery went from 95 to 15 percent.
u have to realize though that the tilt is sorta like a mini laptop and it will start getting warm after some time unless u give it some rest.
Well I never experience something like it in a windows mobile before, I will be really interesting to know if this is a hardware failure. Have you guys experience something like this in other htc phones?
Noel M said:
Well I never experience something like it in a windows mobile before, I will be really interesting to know if this is a hardware failure. Have you guys experience something like this in other htc phones?
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Unfortunately this is almost unavoidable with lithium batteries. My HTC TyTN II battery gets hot while charging, and even hotter if phone is being used (voice or data). It gets hot to the point that the battery stops charging (at least they have thermal control circuits, it could explode otherwise, lithium batteries do not like the heat).
The same happened with my previous phone, from e-ten. A battery got very hot and damaged while talking for a long time. I have used my devices mostly as a PDA, for reading or playing music, but as soon as phone radio is on, it starts getting very hot.
Hi Vcespon:
THis is horrible, I can't belive with a advance phone like kaiser something like this happen. Is there any firmware that might fix this, otherwise I will thinking to change this phone, this is unacceptable.
vcespon said:
It gets hot to the point that the battery stops charging.
The same happened with my previous phone, from e-ten. A battery got very hot and damaged while talking for a long time. I have used my devices mostly as a PDA, for reading or playing music, but as soon as phone radio is on, it starts getting very hot.
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That's not normal. If it is the case your most likely have a hardware problem. Same to the OP.
Mine also got warm and was emptying the battery in a couple of hours once the radio broke down.
Other than this, the only cases where the phone will get really hot is when using WMWifirouter to route the 3G connection to WLAN and downloading a lot. Both the 3G and WiFi radios being on and working hard, plus the processor doing the routing uses a tremendous amount of power. But the device wasn't meant to be used that way anyway.
The GPS also uses quite a bit of power so if you have that on on you might want to try turning it off.
When just talking on the phone the device should get a little warm but no more.
The battery meter would show how much of your battery is being drained when idle... mainly shut down all applications and see what the reading is and that would give you an idea if the device is defective.
I can tell ya, mine gets HOT. I sent the first one back because I thought it was defective. Also with a couple different roms it makes no difference. If your using 3G, BT, GPS, or any combination of those, that SOB will get hot. If I'm charging at the same time, it gets so hot it shuts the charging proccess down. I have to hold it over a AC vent to cool it back down.
Over all though, the only complaint I have with the phone is the heat and battery drain issue.
dead phone or dead battery
Do not know if this where to post. But my TyTn stopped charging. The phone is completly dead. Right now I'm on vacation in a remote location with out any access to the local AT&T to get a battery quick. But the problem is that the battery is not taking a charge. The red charge light is not on or anything. I left the phone on the charger for two days and nights with no results. I ordered a battery but will not have it untill I get home in another week. I have Dutty's 6.1 5.2.19199 UC Compliant ROM on the phone and I've been using it for about 10 days now. Everything was working fine. The phone was getting warm during GPS useage and when charging. Right now I hope that its just the battery. But in case its not, I need to know what my options are. Is the phone dead? What other measures are there to bring it back to life? Thanks in advance.
I can say from my experience with a tytn and now a tytnII when you use them rigorously , they will get hot. I guess the real question is how hot is it really getting and what is running on the phone. Is it uncomfortable to hold?
On EDGE data with FlexMail and IM+ online, the phone stays ice cold. On HSDPA the same, it gets slightly warm. When talking on the phone with HSDPA, it gets a bit warmer.
When using GPS+iGO8 or TomTom, it gets rather warm. Add charging and it gets pretty hot. I've seen batterystatus show as high as 42C using internal GPS+iGO8+Charging.
Gets hot + doesn't charge from laptop
I've got a similar problem - Kaiser may get hot when being used as a modem and/or charging...., well I've actually had this going on from time to time and wasn't much concerned about it until now: the battery doesn't charge when connected to my laptop - ActiveSync or modem, the amber light doesn't come on, plus drains fast.
The Kaiser(so the battery) is only 3 mths old (although I use it heavily as a modem) and I guess it's unlikely that changing the battery will help here...
My kaiser gets warm too.. I guess it's because I'm hot.
Never mind
HR fixed it...
You also have to remember that these things have a 400mhz processor in them without any fan. Now when your using that processor to the fullest, it IS going to get warm. This is what your going to get from any high performance electronic item without a cooling fan. It's not unacceptable, it's the way it is. 3G, bluetooth, and WiFi can be very processor intensive depending on use, imagine all 3 on at the same time, not to mention the added heat from rapid battery discharge (which is unavoidable when using the radio).
The designers of the phone are no idiots, they designed systems that shut the phone off if it's going to get damaged. So if your worried about the heat cause it's uncomfortable, don't work the sucker so hard! ;-)
Hi to all and thanks for the replies;
My theory is that if you buy an expensive phone you need to exploit until the limit. I bought the kaiser because is a phone that can give me almost any kind of connection and I can be connect online almost everywhere. I can't stand that If I use the 3G connection for 10 minutes the phones gets so warm. I use battery status too and the temperature is like 42F after I use the phone for 10 minutes.
okay i'm using slide2unlock and tomtom7 black 7.9.....
before i start tomtom the gps status led isnt active.(doesnt show up orange)
while using tomtom it is active
after using tomtom7 it is still active even if tomtom is closed by taskmanager.
used rom is KaiserHTC_GER_1.56.407.3Reconstructed
radio is 1.27.15.32(1.71 isnt working with this rom!)
does the active led show up that gpsreciver is still runing after closing tomtom?(if it is how to shutdown gps module w/o restarting the device?)
TOMTOM ISNT INSTALLED BY CAB! it is COPIED TO SDCARD!
is there any way to disable gps with an programm?(htc gps tool?)
thanks!
You can try GPS Tools .. and if you have Advance Task Manager, you can kill the process / services ..
the reason your batt is draining so quickly could possibly be attributed to the overal battery life. you might need a new battery
poppinpengawen said:
the reason your batt is draining so quickly could possibly be attributed to the overal battery life. you might need a new battery
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how long is this batterylife in average? 1 year 2 years? 6months? are the batterys like mugen 3000mA bigger than std?/do they need new backcover?
The life of a Lithium-Polymer battery, at least in my experience, is a couple of years more or less, depending on how much I use it, charge it, etc. And assuming that your battery is shot, a quick search at amazon.com led me to stock batteries and extended ones.
However, to truly know if it's a battery hardware problem, you need to know whether this happened gradually; over days, weeks and months; or if this just spontaneously started one night.
If it gradually declined, it's could be your battery itself, but if it just happened one day, then I would guess that your GPS or cellular/data connection is active and in use all night, or some misbehaving program isn't letting your device sleep properly.
Dave
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
The life of a Lithium-Polymer battery, at least in my experience, is a couple of years more or less, depending on how much I use it, charge it, etc. And assuming that your battery is shot, a quick search at amazon.com led me to stock batteries and extended ones.
However, to truly know if it's a battery hardware problem, you need to know whether this happened gradually; over days, weeks and months; or if this just spontaneously started one night.
If it gradually declined, it's could be your battery itself, but if it just happened one day, then I would guess that your GPS or cellular/data connection is active and in use all night, or some misbehaving program isn't letting your device sleep properly.
Dave
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thanks for your help
i'm using donut's android build and this battery/charging problem is driving me nuts. my battery lasts 4-5 hours max and the weird thing is it only takes 10 -15 mins to show my battery is fully charged. i tried flashing again, left the phone until it dies by itself and charge it, left it being charged over night but none of them helps. anyone having same issue? i know with android on our vogue the battery life sux but is it this bad??
djpj1981 said:
i'm using donut's android build and this battery/charging problem is driving me nuts. my battery lasts 4-5 hours max and the weird thing is it only takes 10 -15 mins to show my battery is fully charged. i tried flashing again, left the phone until it dies by itself and charge it, left it being charged over night but none of them helps. anyone having same issue? i know with android on our vogue the battery life sux but is it this bad??
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might be time for a new battery. It should take 30 to 45 mins to charge. And it should last longer than that. How much time do you spend playing games ect. Gps also is a battery drainer. Also alot of data usage.
djpj1981 said:
i'm using donut's android build and this battery/charging problem is driving me nuts. my battery lasts 4-5 hours max and the weird thing is it only takes 10 -15 mins to show my battery is fully charged. i tried flashing again, left the phone until it dies by itself and charge it, left it being charged over night but none of them helps. anyone having same issue? i know with android on our vogue the battery life sux but is it this bad??
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My battery can last all or most of the day with moderate use on Android.
If you are running off an SD card, try booting back into windows for a day or so to see if you have a similar battery problem there too. Actually, windows battery life was MUCH worse for me. The difference is that Android does not wake the screen for Calendar alerts or text messages like WinMo does... though in Android you do still get the vibrate or sound alert.
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My battery can last all or most of the day with moderate use on Android.
If you are running off an SD card, try booting back into windows for a day or so to see if you have a similar battery problem there too. Actually, windows battery life was MUCH worse for me. The difference is that Android does not wake the screen for Calendar alerts or text messages like WinMo does... though in Android you do still get the vibrate or sound alert.
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win mo is actually quite ROM dependent (NFSFAN's ROMs got awesome battery life). android is pretty kernel dependent. if you are charging overnight, and using latest zimage/kernel, and turing off syncing (background data), and that is the battery life you are getting, you need a new battery.
i use gps a lot as i work as a field technician but i don't have gps turned on all the time while im driving as the screen shuts off by itself in a minute or so. maybe gps is still working even with the screen shut off? and it's a nand install so trying with winmo is not possible. i had much better battery life with winmo for sure. if i turn off the syncing will i still be able to use gps?
Which NBH are you using? The newest ones are way better than the older ones. If your using a current one check out tatnai's FAQ... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5599516&postcount=33
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Which NBH are you using? The newest ones are way better than the older ones. If your using a current one check out tatnai's FAQ...
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not the latest but not too old either. less than 2 weeks... not even. what's nbh anyways? what does it do? and thanks will check out that thread
djpj1981 said:
not the latest but not too old either. less than 2 weeks... not even. what's nbh anyways? what does it do? and thanks will check out that thread
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It's the kernel. you know the file you rename RUU_signed and you flash.
I am definitely having this problem as well, and the charge does not last very long it seems either. Was much, MUCH better in the Windows Mobile builds I was using previously.
I am on Bell using the basic HTC Touch
Same problem here. Brand new battery on bell.
Yeah, although battery life is positively improved and pretty decent now, there is definitely still something funky going on with charging. I still don't rely on / believe when the phone says it is fully charged. It happens too quickly to be possibly true.
I have the exact same issue and it is absolutely a problem with charging within Android. I have two identical batteries. One was fully charged in winmo before I flashed - I took it out and swapped for the other one. Flashed it with that battery in and charged it overnight. It only lasted about a half-day. Came home and swapped out for my other fully-charged (in winmo) battery, and it lasted for more than a day. Same settings, same use. After it discharged, I recharged overnight from Android and it behaved the same as the first - discharging in about a half-day.
What gives?
I'm curious what builds people are using? I'm totally new to this but I'm using warm donut with voguimg-240x320-06-04-10.nbh. It seems that nbh isn't posted on the sourceforge site yet - maybe I should switch back to an older one?
Maybe kernel problem.
I'm experiencing the same problem as everyone.
Lately my battery suddenly drops from 100% to 4%.
When I put to charge, it reaches 100% very fast. Should reach only 5%
I think it can be a problem in the kernel.
Now, i'm trying to solve it. If I find something I'll share with you
I can not determine which kernel brought the problem...
23/04 - 16:16 (GMT-3 - Rio de Janeiro) - Trying an old kernel
23/04 - 17:00 - Nothing. But came to the conclusion that the problem is with the battery.
Battery really "thinks" its 100% charged, since it accepts flash a nbh without the need of the phone is charging. And this only happens when the battery is at least 50% charged...
(sorry about my english. I'm brazilian and still learning english)
Some threads and posts about battery:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=661588
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=644453
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5599516&postcount=33
We must concentrate everything in one thread!!!
We have to use search
Good luck tiagoclc
My battery life is pretty bad and I recently bought a new OEM battery. Coming of NSFANs 6.5 rom, Myn's warm donut on 240x320 is wonderful but the battery life is pretty lousy.
I am trying to determine if I have a bad battery or it's the Android costing this issue. While using my Tilt I have wifi on and was using the apps (IE: Market, XDA, etc...) the battery indicated the full charge (or what I have left) drop to 5%. Sometime it will shutdown my Tilt first and when I boot it back up it indicated that I only have 5% or less battery power. That is within 5 minutes of use.
Do I need to get a new battery or is this problem with something else?
1. battery dead.
2. software problem. I have bought a tytn II with 30Euro because it had a problem with the battery. resoft and radio update made me happy. i have 2 tytn's working perfectly. one is for testing and the other one for every day use.
cabasse_tronic said:
1. battery dead.
2. software problem. I have bought a tytn II with 30Euro because it had a problem with the battery. resoft and radio update made me happy. i have 2 tytn's working perfectly. one is for testing and the other one for every day use.
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That is what I am try to determine, if I need to go out and buy new battery.
Battery status in the setting stated that the battery is in good condition.
What did you mean by resoft and radio?
In Android there should be an app called "Spare Parts" in the app drawer. Find this app, open it then select "Battery Information". Leave this up while charging because we need to see at what point the phone says it's charged. Normal charge level for ANY single-cell Li-Ion battery is 4.2 volts, no higher.
Once charged, disconnect charger and watch the battery voltage number. It should drop a little once off charge (maybe 4.1-4.0 volts). If it drops steeply, say 3.8 or less, your battery is bad and needs to be replaced.
It sounds like your battery is dropping WELL below the "rest" voltage sometime shortly after charging, indicating delamination inside the cell, an indicator of over charging.
I've studied quite a bit on how Li-Ion batteries work over the past year so if anyone should know, I would...
Good luck!!!
resoft = new firmware = new OS = etc
radio = 1.70.xx. = that thing required so that your tytn II work with android on it.
PoXFreak said:
In Android there should be an app called "Spare Parts" in the app drawer. Find this app, open it then select "Battery Information". Leave this up while charging because we need to see at what point the phone says it's charged. Normal charge level for ANY single-cell Li-Ion battery is 4.2 volts, no higher.
Once charged, disconnect charger and watch the battery voltage number. It should drop a little once off charge (maybe 4.1-4.0 volts). If it drops steeply, say 3.8 or less, your battery is bad and needs to be replaced.
It sounds like your battery is dropping WELL below the "rest" voltage sometime shortly after charging, indicating delamination inside the cell, an indicator of over charging.
I've studied quite a bit on how Li-Ion batteries work over the past year so if anyone should know, I would...
Good luck!!!
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This is what I see while charging.
Battery Status: Charging (USB)
Power Plug: USB
Battery Level: 69
Battery Scale: 100
Battery Healthn: Good
Battery Voltage: 4177mV
Battery Temparature: 32.7c
It currently at 70%, I'll report back once it fully charged.
cabasse_tronic said:
resoft = new firmware = new OS = etc
radio = 1.70.xx. = that thing required so that your tytn II work with android on it.
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I think I have either 1.71 or 1.70 radio (can't really tell sicne I do not know where to look. I have tried different OS (IE: Scoot, Fat Free, etc...) Still the same problem.
One other thing, the phone keep shutting down in the middle of me trying to use it. So, I don't know if it is related to the battery issue I have or not.
Maybe simple solution will be the best solution Back to original system (win6.1) for one day and you will see what causing problems. If everything will be ok that you doing something wrong with android. If not-battery is dead or it is another hardware problem....
@ PoXFreak - After fully charged and the batttery voltage went from 4.2 (4217mV) to 3.9 (3990mV) in less than a minute. And it keeps dropping, after a few minutes it dropped to 3.8 (3808mV - 3855mV)
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@ PoXFreak - After fully charged and the batttery voltage went from 4.2 (4217mV) to 3.9 (3990mV) in less than a minute. And it keeps dropping, after a few minutes it dropped to 3.8 (3808mV - 3855mV)
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Check it out friend .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19304818&postcount=2
tomcug said:
Check it out friend .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19304818&postcount=2
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OK! I disabled the background updates per the link. I'll download the widgit in a few.
look http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=466379&d=1292559472
klm12 said:
look http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=466379&d=1292559472
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So, what is this attachment? Kernel?
klm12 said:
look http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=466379&d=1292559472
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What ever that file was broke my wifi.
BeenAndroidized said:
What ever that file was broke my wifi.
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You need to reinstall distro after such flash, but this time without applying update.
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You need to reinstall distro after such flash, but this time without applying update.
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OH! I'll keep that in mind. It's a little different than what I am used to. Thanks!
OK! I have flashed kernel 2.6.25. See if that will makes any different with this battery problem.
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OK! I have flashed kernel 2.6.25. See if that will makes any different with this battery problem.
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I used 2.6.25 in the past, good one so give it a try . Also, check that app I've shown you few posts ago, it shows battery usage in mA, show me your results, for me it's around 200 mA.
It looks like the battery still drain fast, it just dopped down to 1% and shutdown on me, I will download that apps once I have a chance.
BTW! How do I tell what version radio I currently have? I cannot find that info anywhere. The place where it usually will show me (Baseband version) only said HTC.
Twin processor and twin batteries. The twin procs shows the time, but the accu does not. I want to toy little bit of this.
Twin proc power.
It just need an little bit peekin after fusions famous rom. Liittle bit peeking
It is pretty bricked. but things goes right!! I like this trin proc handheld
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Twin processor and twin batteries. The twin procs shows the time, but the accu does not. I want to toy little bit of this.
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what?
Exothermic said:
what?
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Just have problem with these batteries The cemistry of these is somewhat ...
I found one micro usb charger . it makes things more easy.
I have no video of this serial switched setup because my phone is my camera. but even it now boots. I continue to expirement within this
KrRain said:
Just have problem with these batteries The cemistry of these is somewhat ...
I found one micro usb charger . it makes things more easy.
I have no video of this serial switched setup because my phone is my camera. but even it now boots. I continue to expirement within this
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Just i like this handheld except its batteries.
KrRain said:
Just i like this handheld except its batteries.
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for example. just keeping it standby. it is like full charged after few days. full charged indicates this.
Ok. Take one call or do anything with it. the battery charge goes logaritmically to zero.
What you think?
KrRain said:
for example. just keeping it standby. it is like full charged after few days. full charged indicates this.
Ok. Take one call or do anything with it. the battery charge goes logaritmically to zero.
What you think?
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The battery shouldn't drain that quickly, something else is wrong; the battery might have dimineshed capacity to hold a charge, or you're experincing the 1 GHz bug (reboot with wifi off).
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The battery shouldn't drain that quickly, something else is wrong; the battery might have dimineshed capacity to hold a charge, or you're experincing the 1 GHz bug (reboot with wifi off).
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If you mean that cpus run at 1Ghz continuous these runs 200Mhz both I ssh logged to the fone. I think it is battery problem. I have two of this kinda of these: EB-FM7FLU . 1500mAh (hah!) Might be original. both batteries.
I use in several apps these batts, so I think how Li-Ion(Lions) work. Battery drains of course, but never just like this:
Full charge - do something - logarithmic drain to zero.
I need to call to the Samsung service (with my phone:d) and purchase !Li-Ion! accu for this
Said wrong an previos, never serial, but parallel. Serial switch kills the phone parallel does'nt sorry bad english
I try to flash Omni rom later some day.
Remove charger - go - answer a call. - battery dropdown.
Someone testet direct cable from transformers's secontary to handhelds pinouts?