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got this in my email couple hours ago...people who subscribe to ZDNET alrdy should know about this...
ZDNet Tech Report said:
Windows Mobile 7 phones in Q1 2009?
Mary Jo Foley: According to a report from at least one
major handset maker, Microsoft is planning to make available
the final bits of its next mobile OS release in time for them to
start selling Windows Mobile 7 phones by Q1 2009
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Updated specifics from PCmagazine and ZDNET on WM7
1) Microsoft's own Ftouchflo "style" technology that will rival the iphones...(no more icontacts,HTC album, or FtoucfloSL or what ever the hell pay to play version their at now..just simple thumb gesture flipping through every application that ships or is made available 3rd party for the device.
2) Skyfre shipping with the new OS WM7 instead of PIE (PIE might be an optional download for the faithful)...thats if microsoft is smart enough to realize deepfish will not be able to compete with skyfire in the new browser war which is simply known as "the flash browser". Skyfire is alrdy about to be on its second beta version and looks rock solid from visual appeal to simply being able to watch youtube on the browser (you get the option of full screen mode instead of watching only on the browser of course, i should be getting my second invite for beta 2 by end of summer and will update more about the browser) Bye Bye TCMP/ Coreplayer!! So unless Microsoft starts having their engineers and OS technicians begin work on putting flash and java built into their deepfish browser by the first quarter of 2009 and out of beta, Skyfire is going to be the #1 selling internet browser of 2009. But theres also the other possibilities of the new firefox for PPC browser out of beta by Q1 and Opera browser 10 supposedly with java and flash as well... There were also rumors on ZDnet that apple was possibley going to license iphone's safari to microsoft (for a hefty sum) which i doubt Gates will want to bow down to 'ol stevey boy for. So thats that...should be an interesting late 2008 and i hope alot of you will closely be watching what is going to happen next with our future OS.
As for me....I'm as giddy as an 1800's English school boy!!!
got this in my email couple hours ago...people who subscribe to ZDNET alrdy should know about this...
ZDNet Tech Report said:
Windows Mobile 7 phones in Q1 2009?
Mary Jo Foley: According to a report from at least one
major handset maker, Microsoft is planning to make available
the final bits of its next mobile OS release in time for them to
start selling Windows Mobile 7 phones by Q1 2009
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Updated specifics from PCmagazine and ZDNET on WM7
1) Microsoft's own Ftouchflo "style" technology that will rival the iphones...(no more icontacts,HTC album, or FtoucfloSL or what ever the hell pay to play version their at now..just simple thumb gesture flipping through every application that ships or is made available 3rd party for the device.
2) Skyfre shipping with the new OS WM7 instead of PIE (PIE might be an optional download for the faithful)...thats if microsoft is smart enough to realize deepfish will not be able to compete with skyfire in the new browser war which is simply known as "the flash browser". Skyfire is alrdy about to be on its second beta version and looks rock solid from visual appeal to simply being able to watch youtube on the browser (you get the option of full screen mode instead of watching only on the browser of course, i should be getting my second invite for beta 2 by end of summer and will update more about the browser) Bye Bye TCMP/ Coreplayer!! So unless Microsoft starts having their engineers and OS technicians begin work on putting flash and java built into their deepfish browser by the first quarter of 2009 and out of beta, Skyfire is going to be the #1 selling internet browser of 2009. But theres also the other possibilities of the new firefox for PPC browser out of beta by Q1 and Opera browser 10 supposedly with java and flash as well... There were also rumors on ZDnet that apple was possibley going to license iphone's safari to microsoft (for a hefty sum) which i doubt Gates will want to bow down to 'ol stevey boy for. So thats that...should be an interesting late 2008 and i hope alot of you will closely be watching what is going to happen next with our future OS.
As for me....I'm as giddy as an 1800's English school boy!!!
SkyFire kinda blows!
Look skyfire is nice and all, personally I find it a big sluggish but the sudo flash support is nice. But its a mute point, Microsoft has licensed flash to go in PIE or what ever browser they are putting in WM7 and it will be decoded and ran locally on the device.
moegdaog said:
got this in my email couple hours ago...people who subscribe to ZDNET alrdy should know about this...
Updated specifics from PCmagazine and ZDNET on WM7
1) Microsoft's own Ftouchflo "style" technology that will rival the iphones...(no more icontacts,HTC album, or FtoucfloSL or what ever the hell pay to play version their at now..just simple thumb gesture flipping through every application that ships or is made available 3rd party for the device.
2) Skyfre shipping with the new OS WM7 instead of PIE (PIE might be an optional download for the faithful)...thats if microsoft is smart enough to realize deepfish will not be able to compete with skyfire in the new browser war which is simply known as "the flash browser". Skyfire is alrdy about to be on its second beta version and looks rock solid from visual appeal to simply being able to watch youtube on the browser (you get the option of full screen mode instead of watching only on the browser of course, i should be getting my second invite for beta 2 by end of summer and will update more about the browser) Bye Bye TCMP/ Coreplayer!! So unless Microsoft starts having their engineers and OS technicians begin work on putting flash and java built into their deepfish browser by the first quarter of 2009 and out of beta, Skyfire is going to be the #1 selling internet browser of 2009. But theres also the other possibilities of the new firefox for PPC browser out of beta by Q1 and Opera browser 10 supposedly with java and flash as well... There were also rumors on ZDnet that apple was possibley going to license iphone's safari to microsoft (for a hefty sum) which i doubt Gates will want to bow down to 'ol stevey boy for. So thats that...should be an interesting late 2008 and i hope alot of you will closely be watching what is going to happen next with our future OS.
As for me....I'm as giddy as an 1800's English school boy!!!
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I sincerly hope that the skyfire is much better than the version I've been using.. its a resource hog and all data is available to the servers admins...
man i could give two ****z if skyfire admins get to know that im viewing...yahoo email, xda developers (if anything its publity for xda developers) Allhiphop.com, ESPN.COM, CBS/CNN/reuters news etc...etc..etc..for the sheer fact that i get an incredible flash and java embeded PDA B-R-O-W-S-E-R! its unreal how technology keeps surprising me daily, the meer thought of watcing youtube on a mini browser on a mini labtop phone which is my kaiser is genius and should be welcomed with open arms. I cringe when i think about the times i actually used to download flash player 7 and those other useless flash apps from adobe for no apparent reason because those apps did absolutely nothing. Skyfire is gonna be revolutionary...whats next? anything a desktop or labtop can do our PDA's are going to be able to do it sooner or later. Instead of computer/labtop shopping,c onsumers will be pocketpc/phone shopping...why not? a phone that is also your computer in miniature form? unreal...i cant wait..were almost their brother.
I agree with the dude above me. Skyfire is the best browser I have used. It is brand new and still in testing but it is going to surpass opera. I have it on my phone right now and it's crazy. As for the Update. I won't flash the upgrade on my phone. I'll just wait for a better cooked version. Patience is a virtue people. I'll wait till most of the bugs are worked out by the Cooks.
divineholiness said:
Look skyfire is nice and all, personally I find it a big sluggish but the sudo flash support is nice. But its a mute point, Microsoft has licensed flash to go in PIE or what ever browser they are putting in WM7 and it will be decoded and ran locally on the device.
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Well its deffinetly not going to be PIE anymore with WM7....Microsoft has been testing and releasing beta's to be tested by "testers" for almost a year now for deepfish. The deepfish that i tested during the beta trials did not..and i mean did not have any sort of flash or java support. Although it was significantly better then PIE in terms of zooming features and touch rendering withs crolling through pages like how most mobile browsers are having now. This platform or standard was set by the iphones safari..so microsoft will atleast have a browser for WM7 that will mimic safari, wether they will keep the PIE name going to introduce the deepfish brand name is not completly sure but it will rival safari in all aspects. If they are smart, they will up the stakes and go with skyfire as their default browser because of the sheer uproar and anticipation skyfire has been arrowsing in the pocketpc/mobile world....plain and simple because if they dont skyfire's official browser launch will fly off the shelves and Microsoft's monopoly on their internet browser will be in jeopardy since this is not like their desktop OS domination. The ability of 3rd party software that Windows mobile is so great at will eventually hurt them in the browser department..deepfish or PIE will be obsolete. Especially if skyfire's offcial browser drops before WM7 hits the market.
Skyfire will never be the default browser, for the simple reason that I and plenty of other people do care that everything we look at is passing through some third party server. It's not even a browser, just some kind of thin client. If you like it that's fine, use it, but bear in mind it's destined to be an optional pay/ad-funded service, not a built-in feature of WM7.
MS have already stated they're at work on a full port of IE for WM, with a full desktop browsing experience - and they're not talking about Deepfish either.
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Skyfire will never be the default browser, for the simple reason that I and plenty of other people do care that everything we look at is passing through some third party server. It's not even a browser, just some kind of thin client. If you like it that's fine, use it, but bear in mind it's destined to be an optional pay/ad-funded service, not a built-in feature of WM7.
MS have already stated they're at work on a full port of IE for WM, with a full desktop browsing experience - and they're not talking about Deepfish either.
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yea well evryone is intitled to their own opinions but what makes yout hink microsoft is going to continue PIE? i mean dont get me wrong i use it faithful..yea it has its qwerks and tab problems but im usedto the browser and i dont like opera, netfront or piscel browser..there all unfinished worksw ith problems...especially deepfish...but why would microsoft go to such great lengths to prmote this depfish, get a beta version out to the public to give feedback if it wasnt goin to be incorporated into the WM7 software. I mean deepfish was created to rival safari ina nutshell, and i can gurantee you it will be the new windows mobile browser...not PIE..If PIE were to get upgraded....new look,zoom features and touch' scrolling then that would be differnt but there hasnt been any such word that PIE is getting revamped, and the deepfish site is still alive and well. I have the deepfish .cab in my microsd card...if its not wrong to post this download then ill put it out here for some people to check it out and see what they think of itf or themselves...its still in beta and you can barely surf the web but the zoomin has potential..a beta 2 should deff. be in the works for microsoft
yea gq just wait for your provider to drop their revised version of 6.1...im on WM6 also..and i love it and i see no need to upgrade it at all even if t-mobile my carrier drops the upgrade. 6.0 has no problems from what i see and experienced for the past 4 months now that ive had the tilt. And every other thread i see in the kaisers general or software section is something about how an app wont work in 6.1...thats ridiculous, especialy since HTC themselves droped a rom.
anywayz.....boing
Boinng said:
Skyfire will never be the default browser, for the simple reason that I and plenty of other people do care that everything we look at is passing through some third party server. It's not even a browser, just some kind of thin client. If you like it that's fine, use it, but bear in mind it's destined to be an optional pay/ad-funded service, not a built-in feature of WM7.
MS have already stated they're at work on a full port of IE for WM, with a full desktop browsing experience - and they're not talking about Deepfish either.
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yea well evryone is entitled to their own opinions but what makes yout hink microsoft is going to continue PIE? i mean dont get me wrong i use it faithful..yea it has its qwerks and tab problems but im usedto the browser and i dont like opera, netfront or piscel browser..there all unfinished worksw ith problems...especially deepfish...but why would microsoft go to such great lengths to prmote this depfish, get a beta version out to the public to give feedback if it wasnt goin to be incorporated into the WM7 software. I mean deepfish was created to rival safari ina nutshell, and i can gurantee you it will be the new windows mobile browser...not PIE..If PIE were to get upgraded....new look,zoom features and touch' scrolling then that would be differnt but there hasnt been any such word that PIE is getting revamped, and the deepfish site is still alive and well. I have the deepfish .cab in my microsd card...if its not wrong to post this download then ill put it out here for some people to check it out and see what they think of itf or themselves...its still in beta and you can barely surf the web but the zoomin has potential..a beta 2 should deff. be in the works for microsoft
Is there any news about improved connectivity with desktop PCs via a newer Activesync/WMDC? Thats the weak link of the current WM platform and the part that needs the most redevelopment. Never mind the flashier bits and bobs on the phone, for me that part does all I need it to at the moment (well would if it weren't for bugs in HTCs WM 6.1 'upgrade'). Its things like decent transfer speeds from the desktop PC that matter more to me.
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Is there any news about improved connectivity with desktop PCs via a newer Activesync/WMDC? Thats the weak link of the current WM platform and the part that needs the most redevelopment. Never mind the flashier bits and bobs on the phone, for me that part does all I need it to at the moment (well would if it weren't for bugs in HTCs WM 6.1 'upgrade'). Its things like decent transfer speeds from the desktop PC that matter more to me.
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USB 2 PPC!
moegdaog said:
got this in my email couple hours ago...people who subscribe to ZDNET alrdy should know about this...
Updated specifics from PCmagazine and ZDNET on WM7
1) Microsoft's own Ftouchflo "style" technology that will rival the iphones...(no more icontacts,HTC album, or FtoucfloSL or what ever the hell pay to play version their at now..just simple thumb gesture flipping through every application that ships or is made available 3rd party for the device.
2) Skyfre shipping with the new OS WM7 instead of PIE (PIE might be an optional download for the faithful)...thats if microsoft is smart enough to realize deepfish will not be able to compete with skyfire in the new browser war which is simply known as "the flash browser". Skyfire is alrdy about to be on its second beta version and looks rock solid from visual appeal to simply being able to watch youtube on the browser (you get the option of full screen mode instead of watching only on the browser of course, i should be getting my second invite for beta 2 by end of summer and will update more about the browser) Bye Bye TCMP/ Coreplayer!! So unless Microsoft starts having their engineers and OS technicians begin work on putting flash and java built into their deepfish browser by the first quarter of 2009 and out of beta, Skyfire is going to be the #1 selling internet browser of 2009. But theres also the other possibilities of the new firefox for PPC browser out of beta by Q1 and Opera browser 10 supposedly with java and flash as well... There were also rumors on ZDnet that apple was possibley going to license iphone's safari to microsoft (for a hefty sum) which i doubt Gates will want to bow down to 'ol stevey boy for. So thats that...should be an interesting late 2008 and i hope alot of you will closely be watching what is going to happen next with our future OS.
As for me....I'm as giddy as an 1800's English school boy!!!
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This release was planned almost a year ago, thanks for the memories, xda_tool
moegdaog said:
yea well evryone is entitled to their own opinions but what makes yout hink microsoft is going to continue PIE? i mean dont get me wrong i use it faithful..yea it has its qwerks and tab problems but im usedto the browser and i dont like opera, netfront or piscel browser..there all unfinished worksw ith problems...especially deepfish...but why would microsoft go to such great lengths to prmote this depfish, get a beta version out to the public to give feedback if it wasnt goin to be incorporated into the WM7 software. I mean deepfish was created to rival safari ina nutshell, and i can gurantee you it will be the new windows mobile browser...not PIE..If PIE were to get upgraded....new look,zoom features and touch' scrolling then that would be differnt but there hasnt been any such word that PIE is getting revamped, and the deepfish site is still alive and well. I have the deepfish .cab in my microsd card...if its not wrong to post this download then ill put it out here for some people to check it out and see what they think of itf or themselves...its still in beta and you can barely surf the web but the zoomin has potential..a beta 2 should deff. be in the works for microsoft
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Deepfish was a technology preview, no more and no less - I don't think it was ever even officially classed as "beta", let alone confirmed as any kind of real product. It was released well over a year ago and since then nothing - no more registrations for the preview, no user feedback ever posted on their feedback page, nada. It's history now.
MS have confirmed that PIE will continue to be improved and developed (as it was with the 6.1 update) and will be completely rebuilt shortly based on IE6 code to make it "desktop grade" - see here: http://www.modaco.com/content/windo...ing-to-windows-mobile-6-1-by-the-end-of-2008/
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Thats the thing because the slow transfer speeds are not due to USB bus transfer rate limitations but bottlenecks associated with going through the phones hardware and activesync/WDCM. Have you ever tried transferring a large file directly to your microSD card using it's reader and then tried the same test with the card in the phone using activesync - if so, you'll know what I'm getting at (it's many times slower via activesync even when the card reader and phone are both plugged into the same USB port). The TyTN II is already a USB 2.0 device (but only Full Speed not Hi Speed).
Skyfire sucks because of no word wrap, and loading websites when zooming in.
I still find Opera Mini to be the best browser! Insta-loads the whole site, and word wraps perfectly!
I do beleive it will be IE in the new OS's - alphas of the new IE have been shown - if memory serves me correctly, its based on the windows IE6 core rather than PIE, and has full zooming support.
Now whatever your opinion of IE, you must admit IE is preferable to Safari 90% of the time and you are pretty much guaranteed it will display everything perfectly. Obviously we'd prefer the IE7/IE8 cores, but its deffo a step in the right direction. the concept of MS using any browser than IE is somewhat hard to beleive, and to consider that theyd use a browser that has a desktop equivilent is like admitting theyve lost the browser war - its not gonna happen - so that really discounts minimo and opera (as nice as opera is on the mobile)
I cant find the link to the video i saw of winmo ie6 to back up my statements, i think it was on modaco, but i assume you, i didnt dream it!
oh, typical, i finally hit the post button, and i find it!
http://www.modaco.com/content/windo...ing-to-windows-mobile-6-1-by-the-end-of-2008/
There is a video and a screenshot of it actually working within that post - so this isnt stuff pulled out of the air... plus its shown running on a universal - so that means we could well get this cooked in other roms too. HAZAA!
Duplicate threads merged.
Deepfish isn't just a browser
I don't think moegdaog get its, I don't think deepfish was ever a browser replacement but a interface idea, that has html able. Also Skyfire sucks, its just a go between until we have full flash support on the device locally.
Anybody get a pre? I've seen one really great review of it and one kind of crummy review, very curious about getting this phone for my wife. Any recommendations on a good site (the XDA-Dev's for PalmPre)?? Thanks!!
not sure, but i dont believe HTC is manufacturing the pre
XDA = HTC phones.
again, not sure, if it is manufactured by HTC there would probably already be a section on the forum devoted to the pre.
I have heard a lot of good things about the phone.
only 2 cons so far: small keyboard, and programs lag a little.
other then that, Its a great looking phone, with new innovative GUI
I don't think I would be able to use the small keyboard. I can barely use the one on the Treo Pro, and the one on the Centro is too small for me... and I have relatively small hands!
Yeah, I know there won't be a section here as it is most definitely NOT an HTC device, hence my posting in off-topic. I was jut wondering if anyone knew what the best Palm forum is.
I've heard from another member of the forums here who has one that there are some hardware probs with the phone, dead pixels and bad overheating problems. First run Blackstones had similar issues so we'll see if this doesn't get straightened out in the next shipment. I'm not too worried about the small keyboard as my wife has doll hands and long nails anyway ;-)
Best bet is Precentral.net
Its not nearly as robust as XDA in regards to the manipulating and hacking of the device (possibly cause its just brand new) but its probably the biggest Pre / WebOS focused message board at the moment.
Yep i have red this is a crap
A piece of crap... is the way that many people has referred about the new PALM Pre.. why? i dont know, but I think its not powerfull than other device from PALM or HTC, but, does this palm have WinMo? maybe this feature can make it a little stronger.
I saw a few videos and i cant remember about it, cause it doesnt matters to me... Palm doesnt matter for who is a HTC user, you know...
BTW that litle qwerty seems to be for a kid... they are very happy cause the edge of the device is soft... what an amazing development!!!!
Well let us know if anyone has a little toy like that.
There should be a Pre section on this site...I dont see why now. There's 2 for the Palm Treo's:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=321
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=466
I might be getting one after some of the initial updates and bugs are worked out. 2 of my friends have one and they seem to like it so far comparted to their HTC TP.
zeo2k said:
There should be a Pre section on this site...I dont see why now. There's 2 for the Palm Treo's:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=321
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=466
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That´s because that models were manufactured by HTC and Pre won´t so it won´t have it´s section on this forum
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That´s because that models were manufactured by HTC and Pre won´t so it won´t have it´s section on this forum
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Makes sense...Thanks
I played around withh it for a bit an the keyboard is soft and hard, but maybe your wife's doll hands will be fine lol
The web browsing is great. And I like that it's slim. Other than that, I like my Pro. And I don't know of any other issues. though. Good luck!
I do have to say that the Pre UI is pretty sweet. I hope the Android team takes not and realizes that the built in apps can also look good. As noted a few posts back, the Pre does have a bit of lag when you launch new apps, but the card manager works great for switching once they are open.
I have to say that I love the hardware design of the thing. reminds me a lot of the HTC Touch Dual. I hope HTC brings back the Duals form factor in a new Android handset.
I played with one today at the Sprint store...
The keyboard is better than I expected, better than the Treo Pro, much better than the Centro...
There is a "slight" lag when opening applications, but it doesn't seem to be with all applications.
The card interface is really cool and works great!
I have a Pre, so I would know stuff:
The in-store Pre's are running demo software, so they will have more lag than the real model
There is no file explorer - This is a huge change from what were used to on Windows Mobile, lol, but you don't necessarily need it.
Multitasking is AMAZING! Nothing can match it. Using Turn-by-Turn GPS while streaming Pandora in the car is seamless and works just as you'd expect.
The app store, well, give it time!
EXCHANGE: If you're exchange server doesn't use a SSL connection, then you're screwed. Palm has to release an update before this will ever work. Trust me, there's no other solution.
Synergy - I wouldn't know how well this works because I can't connect my Exchange server, which pretty much defeats the purpose.
Overall, I'd say that for your wife, the Pre would be perfect. It's like an iPhone, but you can do wayy more. It's not Windows Mobile though, so don't expect a bunch of functionality. But this phone works perfectly for what you want it for. Everything just works the way you would expect, like how the phone wont lock the screen unless you put it in your pocket (brilliant!)
But watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9uNABNcCoY It's an Opera Mini vs Palm Pre browser comparison video. Opera Mini smokes the Pre, lol.
So I would say, get the Pre for your wife. Everything is soo seamless on the Pre and works so nicely. If you want to be an advanced user, then WinMo (or Android maybe) is for you.
ace10134 said:
I have a Pre, so I would know stuff:
The in-store Pre's are running demo software, so they will have more lag than the real model
There is no file explorer - This is a huge change from what were used to on Windows Mobile, lol, but you don't necessarily need it.
Multitasking is AMAZING! Nothing can match it. Using Turn-by-Turn GPS while streaming Pandora in the car is seamless and works just as you'd expect.
The app store, well, give it time!
EXCHANGE: If you're exchange server doesn't use a SSL connection, then you're screwed. Palm has to release an update before this will ever work. Trust me, there's no other solution.
Synergy - I wouldn't know how well this works because I can't connect my Exchange server, which pretty much defeats the purpose.
Overall, I'd say that for your wife, the Pre would be perfect. It's like an iPhone, but you can do wayy more. It's not Windows Mobile though, so don't expect a bunch of functionality. But this phone works perfectly for what you want it for. Everything just works the way you would expect, like how the phone wont lock the screen unless you put it in your pocket (brilliant!)
But watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9uNABNcCoY It's an Opera Mini vs Palm Pre browser comparison video. Opera Mini smokes the Pre, lol.
So I would say, get the Pre for your wife. Everything is soo seamless on the Pre and works so nicely. If you want to be an advanced user, then WinMo (or Android maybe) is for you.
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I didn't know about the lock in the pocket things, that's really cool
My sever is SSL, so I'm fine there.
And, of course Opera Mini wins, the Pre is doing all the work itself...
HTC did make PALMpre...i remember when it was announce back in january...i have to say it is a very solid and good device and i love winmo phone, current xperia, touch pro, and HTC HD user. Palmpre WEBos impressed me i would pick one up when a gsm version release. I believe this device took whats good with winmo and iphone and combined it together very well and have lots of room to improve as well...one thing i notice about it that is bad is the battery...make sure you read up on the tweaks n so on so you can conserve battery but most people say it dies out very quickly i dunno if its the way they using it or not but i used a unit for 2 days and still have 50 percent battery...i say your wife would love this device and make a fan out of u
They support non-SSL exchange now
derekwilkinson said:
They support non-SSL exchange now
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No they don't. Did they release an update?? Or is there a link to a thread that hacked it? Cuz last time I checked, they didn't update it and that was the only way.
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No they don't. Did they release an update?? Or is there a link to a thread that hacked it? Cuz last time I checked, they didn't update it and that was the only way.
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Umm. Yes.
http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na...ions/article/50607_en.html#N066192D0.0665F218
...Non-SSL Exchange ActiveSync (EAS) mail servers are now supported....
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Umm. Yes.
http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na...ions/article/50607_en.html#N066192D0.0665F218
...Non-SSL Exchange ActiveSync (EAS) mail servers are now supported....
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Thanks! I'm gonna check for updates now! (Next time, it'd be nice if you described your post a little more, but thanks soo much!)
Exchange Works On Pre Without SSL Now!! Yay!
Hi all
I've been a member of XDA for a while (have a hero and been on the villanrom builds since they began). But I am a developer full time and so I have decided to start in Windows Phone 7. I know silverlight, I know .NET so why not.
I have started the company 'Infinite Monkey Theorem' and this is a showing of the first application.
auto-mate. This app allows you to record your cars stats at each fuel up and service to allow you to view statistics about your cars. This app will also allow you to setup service types (months or miles) and the app will schedule them for you taking into account your mileage per year. MOT and Tax renewals are stored and show when they are close.
The reason for this app is this: I drive 24,000 miles / year which means that I need to maintain the car more than just a yearly service, this app will tell me when I need to change my oil or have a minor/major service based upon the miles I drive per year and the miles I'm doing recently allowing me to budget for it accordingly.
This app syncs to the cloud so you can look over all the cars you are monitoring from your office and export the information or book a service.
This app is in beta at the moment, it is not feature complete as I need you to be able to say you have done your MOT or Tax but its almost there. Of course with it syncing to the cloud there is a cost, that I MUST pass on somehow. I looked into Ads but Microsoft in thier wisdom only allow thier ad framework in america so Im out (UK). But I'm thinking of a free version that has ads (in future) and does not sync to cloud. Thoughts on what you would/might pay for this app would be greatly appreciated.
The future of the app?
Well I am planning a pro version which is for business mileage and will export from the web site allowing business travellers to fill out expense forms. But there are lots to add to this app as well.
Take a look at the vid and let me know what you think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tyw_ivcygk
Njoy.
id add light comercial vans upto 3.5tonnes as many courier use wm devices so many will upgrade to wp7
Love it and it looks superb. I dont know what you can and cannot do in regards to apps interacting with other features of the phone. But the option to put a reminder in the calendar or a pop up one month before the tax is due or service is due etc I think would be really beneficial (liked I said not sure if MS will let you do that though)
The only other thing I can think of is a field it enter a monetary value for the top up. So you put 44.66 litres in and it cost £70 for instance. You could maybe track this in the same way the MPG are, but as a Pence, or cent etc per mile.
In regards to price, there are alot of apps/games I have seen for say £2.99 that I refuse to pay for (bejwelled for one) but this I would pay for. Im not sure what price you were expecting but Id happily pay £2.99 for it which seems the average.
I know you have spoke about the cloud but is it possible to export the information to PDF or excel etc and then have the users email this to themselves, this would cut your costs but again I dont know whats allowed
Good Luck and I look forward to this being released.
4 or 5 euro isn't a bad prize .
if you could put in lpg and diesel blend (trucks that run on diesel and lpg ) then this app would be the hammer .
it would also be nice if you could ad your own car/truck .
lets say I have a scania R420 and I am driving on diesel and lpg , I would want to know if I am saving money .
normally a truck uses 32 litre of diesel every 100 KM
now it uses 22 litre of diesel and 10 litre of LPG
Diesel: costs 1 Euro
LPG: costs 0.50 Euro
it would be nice if your app could calculate my savings per 100 KM .
if you could make that happen you would have a winner .
Greetings Cees.
looks great! i would be willing to pay $5-7 for it without adds. I would also be willing to beta test for you as i am picking up a samsung focus on monday.
Keep up the good work, hopefully we will see this app in the market soon!
App showing in other games on my phone
I bought the app yesterday and couldn't find it. Today I noticed in other games. Should I uninstall and resync? I pinned to start for now.
thanks for what looks like a good app. Have another question. I have a csv file exported from a program I was using on my iphone. Any way of exporting or manually entering almost two years of data online vs the phone? You also mention website. Was is the url so I can check it out.
Thanks,
Johnny
Looks like a decent app but it also shows up in other gas for me
Thanks for comments
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Thanks for the comments, aint been on here in a while. Dont know why its showing in the games section, I've downloaded the trial and it shows in the normal menu, have purchase it and try it that way.
Answers:
1) Cost of fueling up will be coming in an update (not long)
2) Putting final touches to website then its live. it will be at www.infinitemonkeytheorem.co.uk You will be able to do everything you can do on the phone but see more information and view multiple car details over each other
3) Had to do some changes to the app to see the charts better, this is coming real soon.
4) will be adding fuel type soon.
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Hi all
Thanks for the comments, aint been on here in a while. Dont know why its showing in the games section, I've downloaded the trial and it shows in the normal menu, have purchase it and try it that way.
Answers:
1) Cost of fueling up will be coming in an update (not long)
2) Putting final touches to website then its live. it will be at www.infinitemonkeytheorem.co.uk You will be able to do everything you can do on the phone but see more information and view multiple car details over each other
3) Had to do some changes to the app to see the charts better, this is coming real soon.
4) will be adding fuel type soon.
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When I put it to my phone using a developer account its in the normal place. Strange
jgibo said:
I bought the app yesterday and couldn't find it. Today I noticed in other games. Should I uninstall and resync? I pinned to start for now.
thanks for what looks like a good app. Have another question. I have a csv file exported from a program I was using on my iphone. Any way of exporting or manually entering almost two years of data online vs the phone? You also mention website. Was is the url so I can check it out.
Thanks,
Johnny
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You could try uninstaling and resyncing, as its all stored online you just re log back in.
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Love it and it looks superb. I dont know what you can and cannot do in regards to apps interacting with other features of the phone. But the option to put a reminder in the calendar or a pop up one month before the tax is due or service is due etc I think would be really beneficial (liked I said not sure if MS will let you do that though)
The only other thing I can think of is a field it enter a monetary value for the top up. So you put 44.66 litres in and it cost £70 for instance. You could maybe track this in the same way the MPG are, but as a Pence, or cent etc per mile.
In regards to price, there are alot of apps/games I have seen for say £2.99 that I refuse to pay for (bejwelled for one) but this I would pay for. Im not sure what price you were expecting but Id happily pay £2.99 for it which seems the average.
I know you have spoke about the cloud but is it possible to export the information to PDF or excel etc and then have the users email this to themselves, this would cut your costs but again I dont know whats allowed
Good Luck and I look forward to this being released.
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One idea I have going is that as the data is stored online, I should be able to send a message to the phone when a service / mot /tax is due and the pic will go amber and show a 1.
The thing i'm working on right now is auto-mate (offline edition). The basic functionality of keeping track of your vehicle, store when your tax/mot is, and it will schedule the services for you, but all offline. becuase of the zero cost to me, it will be priced low. thinking £0.75...
Hope to have that out in a week.
Just checked and microsoft has put it under games, when I specifically said Tools and it was under tools originally.???
Nice one microsoft.
I could e-mail microsoft to change this but I'll just do an update which will fix it. Sorry for it being in the wrong place, not my fault.
Glad to hear. I just tried uninstall and reinstall and it didn't work. I hope I can enter my 2 years of data easily on the website. Can't see doing that on the phone. I could just get a new car and start over Those new 5.0 mustangs are nice. Add sync and I would be a happy camper
Prepare to be one happy camper, now im not saying now, im not saying in 1 week but excel import/export is always a step in the process
Just to let you know, an update was sent to microsoft over the weekend. This update will put the app back in the apps list. Include better charting, bug fixes. And ability to send error reports on some errors if they happen
Thanks for the update. Finally moved from under Games. When will the web site be up? I still haven't entered my previous data. Have been hoping to do it online and sync to phone.
Its in alpha now.... Beta next then live.
I just realized after putting in my second entry that I can't enter how much per tank or price per gallon. Any chance you will be adding this?
Yes, this is coming in an update.
Clicking on the historical button for miles/week shows the graph for MPG?
Also, whenever I enable the live tile, save the settings. The marker always goes back to disabled?
The phone is fast. Everything is smooth - but I may have to unroot. There needs to be an instruction manual or something. Here are my problems. I really hope you can help me!
I cant get my charter mail to come in. I have tried numerous settings. So far none work. This is VERY important to me.
I cant figure out how to get my contacts. I generally keep them in Outlook. Tonight in an effort to make it work, I exported them to Gmail. How can I get them to go from Gmail contacts to the phone?
How do I get the Market, GPS and other apps back. I guess if I have the Market I can get the other stuff...
Thanks very much - many frustrating hours tonight...
Did you install gapps?
Like the guy said above... You install gapps (google apps). It is a separate download, usually located in the same post as CM6. Flash it like you would a rom. It will install all google apps (market, gmail, and so on including the files for google to work). Google apps can not be included in an AOSP rom by legal means if there is any changes within the rom (such as cm6).
But once you get gapps installed, all you do is sign into your google account and it will auto sync contacts, email, and calendar. Also market will show all paid apps.
http://mirror.teamdouche.net/?type=gapps here are the gapps you need the mdi version...
Ok - things are getting better. Here is what I have done.
I downloaded Google Apps. I also copied / synced my contacts from Outlook to Google Mail. I really prefer them just on Outlook because it seems more secure. Anyway - I now have the contacts which beats not having them, even though it is not the way I wanted. I can live with it I guess.
The Charter email is still VERY important to me, if someone can help with that.
Also can somebody refer me to a good (hopefully free) clock and weather widget - hopefully similar to the one that was on Sense. Separate widgets is fine.
Thanks again.
Its OK to feel screwed, but your anger is directed to cm6 and not sprint! Sprint is the one who I am feeling screwed by, they still sell this phone full price online but refuse to support like the full priced phones are getting Anyway, just flash gapps and then when you reboot from that you will be prompted to sign into gmail, the market will be there again, and after 5 or so minutes your contacts will be there.
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Ok - things are getting better. Here is what I have done.
I downloaded Google Apps. I also copied / synced my contacts from Outlook to Google Mail. I really prefer them just on Outlook because it seems more secure. Anyway - I now have the contacts which beats not having them, even though it is not the way I wanted. I can live with it I guess.
The Charter email is still VERY important to me, if someone can help with that.
Also can somebody refer me to a good (hopefully free) clock and weather widget - hopefully similar to the one that was on Sense. Separate widgets is fine.
Thanks again.
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Charter is a POP3 email correct? You will have to google "set up Charter email on outlook" use the settings it gives you for the email app in cm6. I know them for comcast but not charter, my comcast works fine on here
You are absolutely right about Sprint. I generally have had a good experience with them for years but they really stuck people wiht the Hero. I am just looking for a way to make it tolerable and then I will replace the phone. At this time I am looking at going back to Blackberry. Anyway, I did google the settings but it still doesnt work. Hopefully somebody has a Charter email account working that can tell me exactly what they had to do.
Found exactly what i needed for charter email
Hopefully this will help somebody else with Charter Email on Android. I found it on another forum and it worked like a champ!
Here are the instructions and if you follow them to the letter, you will solve your Charter email problem and get the POP3 email setup properly:
"IGNORE what Charter said the address is for Incoming and Outbound. pop.charter.net and smtp.charter.net will ONLY allow you to RECEIVE, when you try to compose, reply, reply all, forward, you will get a error, and it will NOT go out.
the correct settings should be:
Mail Type: POP
Incoming Mail Server: mail.charterinternet.com
Username: [email protected] (first part of your email address DO NOT omit the @charter.net)
Password: whatever the password is to access the charter email account
Port: 110
Encryption: None
Outgoing Mail Server: smtp.charterinternet.com
Authentication: ON
Username: [email protected] (first part of your email address DO NOT omit the @charter.net)
Password: whatever the password is to access the charter email account
Port: 25
Encryption: none"
the constant complaining about sprint and the hero is comical, its the equivalent of hiring a cleaning lady and expecting her to paint the whole house for 99 bucks. I paid less for the hero than I did my previous phone wich was the lotus. In other words if you dont like something break out your wallets and get the Evo. And of course dont for get to complain about the Evo too!
+1 on xjayman. Read all the other posts on other carriers and phones. None is perfect, you got cheaper service with no signals, better signals but higher prices, crappy phones no support blah blah blah. Personally I love my phone, especially it being rooted. If you want sense based froyo wait for the wildfire port. If u want it now buy an evo. For all the things that cm6 doesn't have built in there is a widget you can get to make up for it.
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Also, to make your phone look better check out the gold and black theme by Impaler, very nice!
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xjayman - I agree that you can't expect every feature from every phone. The issue with the Hero is it does not perform as promised - not even close. People were screwed that bought this - not because the didnt get the be all and end all to everybody but because the phone (as it was sold) failed to live up to the promises of Sprint and HTC because the lag was unbearable (God help you in a 911 situation) , the bluetooth doesnt work for $%#, and other basic failures to perform. You should have to pull out your wallet for the newest and the greatest - not to get what you were already promised.
That being said, since I rooted a couple of days ago, this thing is light years ahead of how it performed and what it could do when I bought it. I am not a phone techie and, as a result of having tight financial constraints, I had to spend many hours to learn how to root and load a rom, etc. so I could get the phone to do what it should have done 'out of the box'. That is where the resentment comes in.
no, the price of the evo isnt a deterant...i just figured that i didnt want to carry a brick in my pocket...THAT THING IS HUGE. plus, as far as size and features, the hero WAS a mid to upper phone when alot of us got them. now with people being tied up in contracts and so forth, we are bound to this device< unless you just want to get a different phone off contract and switch> i think having a "custom" phone is far better.i love it when a evo owner is talking about, "MY PHONE DOES THIS AND THAT" and i am able to say mine does too, and its smaller, and less a month! Now if sprint offered the incredible or something smaller but more powerful,, i would prob beat my hero with a bat. im not being a ****, its just my reasoning...
sbbamafan said:
Also can somebody refer me to a good (hopefully free) clock and weather widget - hopefully similar to the one that was on Sense. Separate widgets is fine.
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Search for Fancy Widget 1.30 on 4shared.com, that'll give you a very good approximation of the Sense UI clock/weather widget.
For clock, use Retro clock. Small and handy. Or, use beautiful widgets. Not like sense, but they have a lot of cool options.
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dkratter14 said:
Search for Fancy Widget 1.30 on 4shared.com, that'll give you a very good approximation of the Sense UI clock/weather widget.
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This. And get LauncherPro Plus through the market or otherwise and you won't miss sense at all.
xjayman said:
the constant complaining about sprint and the hero is comical, its the equivalent of hiring a cleaning lady and expecting her to paint the whole house for 99 bucks. I paid less for the hero than I did my previous phone wich was the lotus. In other words if you dont like something break out your wallets and get the Evo. And of course dont for get to complain about the Evo too!
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It's not even that at this point. At this point it's like hiring a cleaning lady you know won't/can't paint your house, then complaining when she doesn't.
Anyone buying a hero recently (which isn't still "full price" anywhere, fyi) should know what they're getting into, or it's their own damn fault. These idiotic notions of "Sprint didn't tell us about all the problems" are just bizarre. You really expect HTC Hero commercials and the like to point out the fact that the phone is underpowered and thus laggy, and so on? Please.
That is what review sites are for. Same as cars, all other electronics, etc.
I asked the sprint store if the hero was thw best phone they have or if there is a new phone coming soon when I bought mine. They said its top of the line. 3 weeks later. The evo dropped. Called to complian because my phone stock is unusable. Yes unusable. And that there was a better phone out when I specifically asked and was told, no new phones would be out for awhile. They said hey no prob come on in and we can replace your hero for the evo. I said. Great be there Saturday. Showed up on. Saturday and was informed that Friday was my cutoff date and I would have to pay $449 to get a evo. Sprint sux so you jackasses saying its our fault can go stick a meatpole in their mouth.
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How come 90% of your posts are you *****ing? If you didn't like the hero you should have returned it. Its up to the consumer to research a product, and up to a salesperson to sell it.
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Hi all
I'm arriving from Android & Blackberry phones.
Both have a Twitter client with minimum push notifications showned on top and other feature like nick suggestion, picture preview on TL etc etc
I can't find something similar on the Windows Marketplace... even if I have to pay for it but I want a full featured twitter client
I have tried the official client, birdsong, Mehdoh but nothing is a REAL 2012 twitter client
Any advice ? I ready to pay the app... but if a free one exist
Thing is Notification System is not there in Windows Phone. Its all done via live tile but it has its own limitation.
SO if you been trying to find something for notification it is not there but Live tiles Most of what you saw do support it.
computman said:
Hi all
I'm arriving from Android & Blackberry phones.
Both have a Twitter client with minimum push notifications showned on top and other feature like nick suggestion, picture preview on TL etc etc
I can't find something similar on the Windows Marketplace... even if I have to pay for it but I want a full featured twitter client
I have tried the official client, birdsong, Mehdoh but nothing is a REAL 2012 twitter client
Any advice ? I ready to pay the app... but if a free one exist
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Windows Phone allow app to run in background
Mehdoh is able to send notification even if locked but Mehdoh is not push so the delay is not so good for DM and mention
Maybe an app with tiles update will be great but can't find a great one...
I can't image that WindowsPhone community do not have a good Twitter client ?!?
Pretty sure there are other threads about Twitter apps...
Anyway, rowi is one of the best apps, and will get even better once 2.0 hits the Marketplace.
Carbon is also coming very soon and looks to be a great app once it hits the Marketplace.
The Marketplace is still quite young, and while there are some nice Twitter apps, I don't think there is anything just quite yet that goes above and beyond like some apps do on other platforms. There is also not a huge need for a really robust Twitter app since the phone already has a lot of Twitter functionality built in.
Thanks I will check
Can't this be what you need?
Nullstring said:
Can't this be what you need?
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The official Twitter app do not managed the push notification, live tiles and nothing else... going on the mobile site would be the same
I think that what you need is Rowi, i test the 2.0 beta and i can say to you that it will be the best twitter client on WP7, trust me ;-)
(Sorry for my english, i'm french...)
Alexizzz said:
I think that what you need is Rowi, i test the 2.0 beta and i can say to you that it will be the best twitter client on WP7, trust me ;-)
(Sorry for my english, i'm french...)
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Merci de l'info je vais tester ..
Thanks for the name I will check
Agreed. Running Rowi RC & its fabulous but you'll have to wait a little while until testing is complete & then it will be released to the Marketplace. It's worth the wait.
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After testing many Twitter client I have just spend little money to buy Rowi
http://hiddenpineapple.com/rowi
2 versions :
Free with AD and no push & no notifications
2,99$ with no AD, push notification
Available on the Marketplace
Everything that exist on other mobile phone, auto-completion on mention & hahtag, list managment and filters etc etc
One thing that is "new" than others is the line just under the last tweet you have read, so you know which tweets are new
Mehdoh (currently in market) is quite good.
Rowi is good, I'm hearing upcoming release is excellent.
Carbon is currently in development, hearing good things about this app as well.