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hardresetting after a flash

many people recomend that you do a hard reset after flashing a new ROM:
1-why?
2-does it really improve anything are there any people who think that this is a myth? ive even seen people claming that this solved their battery drange problem
3- whats the difference between a freshly flashed rom and a hard reset device?
4-when exactly is the best time: after the flash directly or after the first reboot when the phone finishes installing stuff from extended memory?

I'm wondering the same thing...

Me too
but i've heard that there can be some "rests" of the old rom after flashing a new.
And the hard reset clears the whole memory, so the system is "clean".
If I'm wrong tell me how it is right.

Personally, I don't believe this. I never did and never have a problem.

the argument is that a rom image (that you flash) doesn't always fill the entire memory space so there's a chance that some of the arrays could contain old data as the RUU doesn't clear the space first.
It doesn't hurt to hard reset whether this scenario happens or not, just hold the hardkeys down during first boot after it comes out of bootloader ..

jackleung said:
Personally, I don't believe this. I never did and never have a problem.
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the plot thickens
even the cooks thinks its not worthwhile
ill do it anyway (even if its a myth) since there is no need to wait for the rom to boot for the first time and no extra time is needed as fards says

From my experience, you really need to hard reset itje's touchit roms. I'm not sure why, but when I didn't hard reset, the device felt really really slow. This is very noticeable. After the hard reset, everything will be fast again.
I'm using jack's lite rom now, but I don't find that you need to hard reset on this rom.

i also never hard reset my device after a rom upgrade. never had problems.
ive tested my self acouple times tryin a rom for a day then hard reseting and see no difference in file structure, (backups) or registry (reg dump and compare)
so i do not hard reset my device after a hard reset

shadowmike said:
so i do not hard reset my device after a hard reset
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ummmm!!!... ok

i had tons of strange problems when i didnt do a hardreset after the flash.
software didnt work, icons were missing, phone didnt worked at all and so son. all problems were usualy fixed after a hardreset.

+1 for the not really worth it but do it anyway on the xperia (even in itje roms)
if this poll was on the wizard forum, im sure everybody will say its a MUST. so far only %30 here think its worth doing

yeah its a bit weird that only %30 think its worthwhile considering the number of people who do it when you read the itje ROM thread

THE GRIZZ said:
yeah its a bit weird that only %30 think its worthwhile considering the number of people who do it when you read the itje ROM thread
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many people use and think hard reset is equal to push the stylus into the soft reset hole...

I recommend hard-reset after flash...
It happens so many times that when ppl flashing my roms, and get bugs that I dont have, or many others dont have..
And what has been the sollution for many??? Hard-reset...suddenly they report back that it fixed their issue??
And how can ya'll "non-hard-spls-belivers" explain that?
But no matter what..
If you feel it helps, so do it
If you think it wont help...then dont
ah, and one thing more...
If you flash only the same build, basicly same roms, just with minor updates, then hard-reset after flash might not be needed cause the conflicting residue in nand might not conflict with the new flash...
perhaps just speculations and sci-fi....
But I will recommend hard-spl for any new flash, untill someone can hardcore prove the opposite...
but as said before...ya'll do what you want

itje said:
But I will recommend hard-spl for any new flash, untill someone can hardcore prove the opposite...
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I always recomend hard-spl for flashing new firmware, but thats off topic

I'll do everytime after flashed a new rom. 宁可信其有，不可信其无,believe it just cost you press some keys together, lol

fards said:
the argument is that a rom image (that you flash) doesn't always fill the entire memory space so there's a chance that some of the arrays could contain old data as the RUU doesn't clear the space first. It doesn't hurt to hard reset whether this scenario happens or not, just hold the hardkeys down during first boot after it comes out of bootloader ..
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After flashing, during the first boot, there already IS something that looks like a hard reset. Something like "auto-hard-reset". Therefore allow me to ask you 3 questions please:
1. Is this "auto-hard-reset" similar to the manual hard reset(when we push simultaneously left, right and soft reset key, or via Start>Settings>System>Clear Storage)?
2. What exactly did you mean in your quote(its part that I've marked bold)? I've never heard anything about holding any keys DURING the first boot. Everywhere is written: "Make hard reset AFTER you flash." Or maybe I missed something?
3. What if NOT to wait for this "auto-hard-reset", and just manually, BEFORE it happens, make an HR(pushing simultaneously left, right and soft reset key) in time when firmware splash screen is showed? It would save the time... but is it harmless?
Thank you very much for your answers!

itje said:
But I will recommend hard-spl for any new flash, untill someone can hardcore prove the opposite...
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Hey Itje, did you really mean hard spl?

Posting just to not let my question gone forever in thousands of new threads Hope you'll answer it. Thank you very much.

Der_Immitanz_konverter said:
Hey Itje, did you really mean hard spl?
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guess was just a typo, he means hard-reset

Weird Problems & Diamond almost dead (software/ROM)

Some days ago, i've flashed my phone to get an "up-to-date" ROM. I chose "PDACornerIllusion 21139" of 2009.03.06. All went fine excepting the keyboard of my GPS wont work anymore (dunno why of course), so i re-flashed with another ROM.
I was surprised that my phone kept the CornerIllusion BootScreen, but i didnt care.
All of a sudden, after having soft reset the ROM i chose (the 2nd one), for an installation of some proggie. The ROM restart as brand new asking me to reset the screen, the clock, date etc... losing all my content and customizations. Then i couldnt sync with Outlook after the first sync i've done minutes ago (error code 800004005). I've decided to soft-reset the phone, and now, TF3D wont even start, (it selft tries to start several times, then gives up), AND the programs lists is all broken, no shortcuts left and the games folder is named *h1/4Eg+ç^, nothing works anymore.
I flashed with about 4 roms (including Aztor one), resulting in the same mess.
Does it have something to do with the first one "PDACornerIllusion 21139" and its still remaining BootScreen?
Can i flash my phone from its roots, to get rid of this ?
As it's maybe not the "fault" of PDACornerIllusion, i write this in this section of the Diamond general thread and made a double post at PDACornerIllusion development thread

I suggest you perform a hard reset before flashing any new rom and that you use the traditional "flash-from-PC-using-ActiveSync-connection" method to flash.
And above all I wish you luck!

What was the other ROM you flashed? I am curious.
rondol1 suggests you hard reset prior to flashing a new rom. I suggest you hard reset after flashing a new rom. Net result is probaby much the same. You could even just do a hard reset now with whatever is loaded and things will probably improve. Main thing is...whenever you flash a rom do a hard reset straight after loading it. I always do this religiously and with the exception of one recent rom I tried I have never had a problem.

First of all, thank you both for trying to suggest hints, i really appreciate it.
I've never hard reset the ROM before or after having installed a new one. I never have a problem before.
For the last 2 months, i was on NEON 1.28, then i've decided it was time to update seeing the new features of the more up-to-date ROMs
I've just reflashed it (an hour ago) with PDACornerIllusion 21139, i've hard reseted before and after. let's see how it turns out ....
I've tried NATALY, CLOUDY, MORNA & AZTOR, no luck with any of them, all died after a soft reset or after the 1st sync (reconnecting for a 2nd sync).
Maybe the problem comes from the very root of the phone (like BIOS in a PC, dunno), maybe something in there got corrupted. How to repair it if my guess exists and is it repairable?

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I've never hard reset the ROM before or after having installed a new one.
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There in lies the problem.
I bet you will be fine from now on. Don't ask why you need to do the hard reset - as no one has been able to give a definitive answer - But it is a well known step that many chefs recommend post flash - just do it from now on and you wont regret it.

logger said:
There in lies the problem.
I bet you will be fine from now on. Don't ask why you need to do the hard reset - as no one has been able to give a definitive answer - But it is a well known step that many chefs recommend post flash - just do it from now on and you wont regret it.
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completely agree with logger - hard reset after you flash any ROM. I haven't used PDACorner - so can't say for sure... but do the flash via CustomRUU once... when the new ROM is flashed... do a hard reset as soon as it's complete..
good luck!

let's see then, >>>>crossing fingers<<<<

I've had this happen a lot lately as well. Might have something to do with the newer SYS? Anyway, hard reseting hasn't always fixed it for me. However, flashing back to the Sprint stock ROM (or HTC stock for you GSM guys) then flashing a new custom ROM has always done the trick. Maybe because the stock ROMs are bigger and "clean" out the memory somehow? At any rate, flash stock and then you're good to go. No permanent damage.

no luck, after a 2nd soft-reset, the phone is asking "touch the screen to configure for the 1sy use blablabla", all data's lost again & again...
what do you mean by stock Rom ? the rom that came with my phone when i've bought it ?

I've got the same problem with the Diamond rebooting like a hard-reset. But I always did a hard-reset after a fresh install. I blamed it on the rom and tried several others, including donsalari's "Clean Basic Rom", the Gen.Y Sense 2.1 and 2.5 versions and an older Aztor rom. Same problem every time, the first reboot after changing the device locale works fine, then I set the whole phone up properly and on the next reboot it will come up as if had performed a hard reset.
Additionally, the file system on my internal storage got corrupted somehow, had to reformat. At some point, I also had the impression that data on the phone memory got lost gradually. First the Contact's numbers got replaced by some nonsense characters, then there were numbers and contacts missing, and finally I had no contacts at all. ActiveSync stopped working so I was in the middle of a trip without my phonebook...
I've got two hypotheses:
1) The Gen.Y bootloader messed with the phone (Had tried the Sense 2.5 Gen.Y rom before donsalari's)
2) Flash controller or Flash itself is broken
@dunnno: I suggest you rename the thread to something like "diamond hard-resets on 2nd reboot after rom install"
edit: oops, just realised I resurrected a very old thread... Maybe there's a fix already?

My diamond still suffers from this problem. I tried it again and again with different roms but everytime, at some point all my configuration is lost and the diamond reboots like after a fresh install. Can anyone please help?

I'm having this problem as well :|
Grr, I have to rely on my phone for so much, but it just doesn't want to work correctly.
Help is immensely appreciated.

Well, I got mine to work, I just flashed the stock HTC ROM and everything has gone back to normal. H3PO, I suggest you give that a shot if you are still having problems.

I had these problems when I first started flashing my Diamond with custom roms.
Now I always flash my carrier stock rom first, then hard reset, then flash custom rom, then hard reset and I never have any problems. I have no idea why flashing the stock rom first stops the problems but I haven't had any problems with the dozens of roms I've flashed using this method.
Also I always flash from internal storage, but others prefer using MTTY

I still have some problems with the Contact Database, but flashing some stock O2 Rom solved the "reboot as new" problem.

Help, BIG problem

Guys I have a big problem, please try to help me.
Ive been having my Touch Diamond for over a year now. I started to flash it 6month ago. I followed all the steps with Hard SPL and radio and then ROM.
I have been using BSB6.5 roms since the first day. But now recently when I upgraded to bsb6.5.1b, my phone after a couple of hours or (if am lucky) one day hangs, then I soft reset it then it takes long time to start then suddenly ALL applications and programs in the phone starts and then the phone warns me about program memory and then it hangs. I tried to flash over and over again but the problem still come back. Could someone please help me ? Someone had the same problem?
(I ALREADY SEARCHED FOR A THREAD WITH THE SAME PROBLE)

wow that is strange, try going back to a wm 6.1 rom than back to your 6.5 roms. Sometimes this causes quite a few weird problems like yours.
and remeber to hard reset at least twice between roms

I´ve read before in a thread how to reset the phone (boot, Hardspl, rom) back to its original form/condition. I tried to search and find that thread but i couldnt find it. Do you got an idea where I can find it ? I thought maybe I can try to do everything from scratch will help.

Is this wot you need big http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537496

ooh yes...thanks man appreciate

i would recommend you try the mtty method once:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=540290
good luck

yeah he has a point big, use mity to format your device, maybe you solve the problem without having to flash stock spl

ROM Problem

Hi all,
i have a Problem, i have insalled a few roms, and with every ROM i got the same errors.
i Cant install CABs - always installations faild
when i disable some Tabs @TF then touchflow hang up, i have to reboot - then it freezed to, then i have to clear intern memory and cutomize it again ...
When i try it again, the same ****. I have treid 3 ROMs, always the same ****.
Has anyone a Hint for me?

Mmmm...
Isn't that the definition of insanity... repeating the same things, expecting a different result?
There are two things you can do here. The first one works for me every time I get crazy, random behaviour from a ROM. The second, I have never needed, but apparently it works wonders. I am, of course, assuming that you hard reset your device after flashing ROM's??!!
1. Flash a stock ROM from HTC, hard reset, then flash a custom ROM of your choice, then hard reset again. This will solve a million issues and then some.
2. Search XDA for MTTY. Don't ask me what it does, or how it does it, but it also cures a load of issues like yours.

Auto-hard resetting...

Alright people, I consider myself pretty smart when it comes to the world of WinMo, but this is a problem that I just cannot nail down. I have been using the OLD STAXXXSTYLE WM6.5.1 ROM for as long as I've had my Kaiser, and decided to upgrade to his last stable version, well I did and everything seemed fine. After 3-4 hours of using my phone, it went all unresponsive on me...no big deal so I soft-reset it.
Well, it took FOREVER at the initial bootscreen, then eventually continued on and went back to being all-"Oh hai, set me up plox!", like I had hard-reset it. So I chalked it up to weirdness and continued through and re-set it up and such.
Well, long story short, this has happened 2 or 3 more times since then. I just cannot figure out why it keeps doing this. I thought it was my HardSPL since I have read that this can happen with older versions, so I flashed upto 3.34DAVESHAW, and it still continues. I am running radio 1.71.09.01 and have never had any problems with this Kaiser up until now. ANY help is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks.

seems like bad rom. hard reset usually comes if there are unrepairable memory problems. I had this while using certain kitchen, after I changed to different kitchen and did the same mix of rom, all was good.
Before, when I extracted 20MB zip, some of the files always went wrong and hard reset followed.

in the FIRST post of staxxtanium ROM thread, the fourth line reads:
Unless you have Issues, Stock wont be necessary, Well I personally don't have issues but to be on safe side, flash stock first. Those previously on Ultimate X2.V11 its a MUST that you flash Stock first-
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the chefs of nearly all WM6.5(.x) ROMs advise flashing stock ROM before flashing a WM6.5(.x) ROM (even if you already have a 6.5(.x) ROM). some chefs are more clear about the reason, i.e. most chefs will clearly state that this step will avoid unexpected hard resets later on. it seems staxxthedan did not feel it necessary to state the exact reason for his quote above. still, you are having an issue and this is the first suggestion staxxthedan gives for any "issues".
also, further searching would have revealed this solution.

um, what happens with another rom?

Wow, way to be an asshole ASCIIker. I have ALWAYS reflashed to stock before flashing to something else. And yes, it happens with ANY ROM from ANY cook that I have tried in the past few days.

well then you should clarify in your opening post with all pertinent information especially your flash procedure so that the obvious (to you and me) can be ruled out first hand.
not trying to be an asshole, i did try to help, given the limited information you provided. but the information was just that..."limited"!

hello mate
i have the same problem you posted here
my mobile is HTC TyTn II
i've tried many radio versions hardSPLs roms
and i cannot find any solution
my question is : did u found any solution since it's an old post? i hope yes

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hello mate
i have the same problem you posted here and my mobile is HTC TyTn II
i've tried many radio versions hardSPLs roms and i also cannot find any solution
Do u found any solution since it's an old post? i hope yes. I used Shifu and Gangster wm6.5
I tried with different Radios and Harspls but no lukc.
Your prompt action is highly apprecaited.