What is the market to android?! - G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

With the recent events that have surrounded the c & d issued to Cyanogen, I like a lot of users here (i imagine) have been reading the posts surrounding all of it. Im just wondering if someone could clear something up for me.
Is the market part of Android?
The fact that the market place is closed source and an application would leave me to think that its not.
When you read lines like this on their home page.
"Browse or publish your own applications on the refreshed Android Market."
I see that they have closed off the other closed source apps, like gmail, maps etc however the way that the market is touted is what confuses me!
would appreciate any thoughts that anyone has.

The Market is NOT a part of Android. It's just where all the devs post their apps because that's where the largest user base (stock phones) download apps.

Hey,
Thanks for clearing that up for me!
So im guessing that if i then went and got the aosp source and compiled it myself there would be no restricted apps/market in it, like gmail etc.
Sorry never done it myself (and wouldnt know how to!) Which is why im asking.
Thanks again for your feedback.
Jon

joners said:
Hey,
Thanks for clearing that up for me!
So im guessing that if i then went and got the aosp source and compiled it myself there would be no restricted apps/market in it, like gmail etc.
Sorry never done it myself (and wouldnt know how to!) Which is why im asking.
Thanks again for your feedback.
Jon
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No, If you complied Android from the AOSP code, you would be left with a vanilla ROM without the closed source apps, there would be no market app at all.
EDIT: Sorry, that's what you were trying to say, my bad.

thanks thats exactly what i wanted to know!
cheers,
Jon

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Game/Application sites

Here is a link to handango site, they have some stuff available for g1. Remember you have to allow access to download these to your g1. To allow go to menu/settings/applications and check box to allow apps not in the market to be downloaded.
http://www.handango.com/SoftwareCat...73&siteId=1&choice=SaveInCookies&N=4294901656
Try these
http://slideme.org/mobile_apps_latest
http://www.mobihand.com/platformMain.asp?platform=13
I Posted mobihand.com on androidcommunity.com but i just found this slideme.org one. on mobihand.com you have to pay for some but theres free ones too like NetScramble v1.2. I'll put that in attachments
i had to put it in zip cuz they don't allow .apk files to be uploaded
you can also take a look of Android Freeware
Great link, baksanir! Thanks!
Again, beware of sites that:
* contain software older than 23 October
Software not updated for Android 1.0 could harm your phone
* do not say who submitted the software or link back to them
I'd want software submitted by the developer, with a link to check version information.
* do not test the software they peddle, especially if money is involved
If a site can't guarantee that software will run on my phone and not harm it, I don't want it.
No 3rd party site has a kill switch
Like people have been saying since before this platform was released, with the open nature of the development structure, the door is wide open. Make sure you're standing in it with a gun.
Just re-injecting some caveat-emptor common sense.
Check and bookmark the FIRST directory of Android Freeware!
beartard, what a nice bunch of tips! Here are my comments:
beartard said:
Again, beware of sites that:
* contain software older than 23 October
Software not updated for Android 1.0 could harm your phone
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Right! Those, which were compiled with old SDKs are not compatible in most of the cases with the one and only device We are going to recompile where possible our whole collection and believe me it's a pain in the butt
beartard said:
* do not say who submitted the software or link back to them
I'd want software submitted by the developer, with a link to check version information.
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Not entirely agree with that. Developers are mega lazy to submit their software other than their homepages. I would recommend to check the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service at first. A reputable site should always have it.
beartard said:
* do not test the software they peddle, especially if money is involved
If a site can't guarantee that software will run on my phone and not harm it, I don't want it.
No 3rd party site has a kill switch
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Normally you pay money if the app saves you much more money by making you much more productive. To be honest, as for now there are not much apps of that kind for Android. So better tryout some free stuff.
beartard said:
Like people have been saying since before this platform was released, with the open nature of the development structure, the door is wide open. Make sure you're standing in it with a gun.
Just re-injecting some caveat-emptor common sense.
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Yeah, take better a bazooka All curious users will need to try and fail before they find their "golden set of apps" and then stick to them. It's nice to have forums like that where they can exchange experiences and recommend stuff to each other.
sfdteam said:
Check and bookmark the FIRST directory of Android Freeware!
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Be careful with this site, it contains some older apps. One of them messed up my phone and I had to do a factory reset. Every time I was at the home screen one of the Android processes kept crashing. Pretty easy to fix but reinstalling all of my apps was a bit of a pain.
nick_karstedt said:
Be careful with this site, it contains some older apps. One of them messed up my phone and I had to do a factory reset. Every time I was at the home screen one of the Android processes kept crashing. Pretty easy to fix but reinstalling all of my apps was a bit of a pain.
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Hey Nick, what was this application exactly, which crashed so badly your phone?
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beartard, what a nice bunch of tips! Here are my comments:
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Thanks for the comments. Please don't think I was trashing your site (or any other one in particular). I'm just a "consumer advocate" when it comes to things like this.
I think it was one of the file managers, but I'm not sure. I installed quite a few apps and it started acting up a bit later.
nick_karstedt said:
I think it was one of the file managers, but I'm not sure. I installed quite a few apps and it started acting up a bit later.
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Nick, are you sure about that? There are 4 file managers on the site:
Manage 1.2
Android File Browser 2.0
Android File Browser 1.0.0
File System Explorer
None of them should you be able to install on your G1, because:
All four apps were compiled with old compilers, contained in old SDK releases of Android OS. Old .apk packages are mostly not compatible with T-Mobile G1's Dalvik, which uses new APIs supplies with the latest SDK version 1.0.
All four apps were NOT DIGITALLY SIGNED. G1's security policy doesn't permit unsigned apps to be installed on the device.
So your accusations that apps from our site screwed your phone look very suspicious to me. Especially that in the same thread you hail the link of Mr. Veselin Nedev (aka Veselin Nedeff, baksanir), whose site blatantly copy-pastes content from our site and hotlinks to our .APK files. So, whether you go from their site or ours you come to the same files, which are served by our server. How it can be then that only apps from our site damage your phone?
Anyway, I'll double check those 4 apps to find the true.
Update: after our notification baksanir removed the hotlinks to our site and changed descriptions of the apps.

[Q] Truecrypt port to Android

Anyone here can port TRUE CRYPT to Android? I am ready to donate if anyone can do this.
Even a basic program that can encrypt and decrypt SD card, at least the external SD card would be acceptable. This way we can be assured that data on the external SD card is secure, and store documents on that.
I looked for something along the same lines for a while, tried every app I could find on the market that was related, but none of them came anywhere near truecrypt's functionality.
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Current rom: Perception b8
Agreed. If anyone could get an app that could atleast encrypt the whole external card, I'm good. Don't even want the functionality of mounting n dismounting as a drive.
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I would LOVE, I repeat LOVE, if TrueCrypt came out for Android.
miztaken1312 said:
I would LOVE, I repeat LOVE, if TrueCrypt came out for Android.
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I am ready to donate if anyone comes up with this.
diablo009 said:
I am ready to donate if anyone comes up with this.
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Me too!
It's the only application I can't find alternative on Android. I need a port of TrueCrypt or FreeOTFE very much!
I think we could start a bounty for anyone who can do this.
diablo009 said:
I think we could start a bounty for anyone who can do this.
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I emailed them a long time asking if they would consider a port and I never heard back from them. Other people should email them and ask so they see that there is a desire for it
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i would love this!
Here is the link on google android dev forms.
Code:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=11211
Here are my posts on this: Comments 12 and 13
Code:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=8686
Here is my post on this: Comment 101
This is the place where people can post what they want. Please feel free to post on this forum too, as it would be seen by android dev folks.
It would be super awesome if they ported it to the Android platform. In my experience, BB 9700 is a truly secure device with its full AES-256 encryption. I used to use it before i got my Captivate so i can def say i miss that feature.
How about a mod moves this thread to main Android forum to get more exposure.
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How about a mod moves this thread to main Android forum to get more exposure.
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+1 to this idea.
-Arturo- said:
How about a mod moves this thread to main Android forum to get more exposure.
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U have an extra 250 MB in ur drop box now
Truecrypt has an dedicated forum, I would say ikt would make a lot of sense to go their and propose realistic outlines/requirements of what we expect from a TC version for Android. There seem to be a lot of folks who cling to the notion of "if it is important do not put it in a handset with a Google OS because Google kis teh evil".
Voice your opinions and needs there, maybe that makes a difference.
psych0t1c said:
Truecrypt has an dedicated forum, I would say ikt would make a lot of sense to go their and propose realistic outlines/requirements of what we expect from a TC version for Android. There seem to be a lot of folks who cling to the notion of "if it is important do not put it in a handset with a Google OS because Google kis teh evil".
Voice your opinions and needs there, maybe that makes a difference.
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url please
i am already following abt android security on google forums
Is google down?
Software is called Truecrypt. Surprisingly it has an official website, truecrypt.org. Checking that one out you find a blue box on top which has a simple text link going to the forums.
http://forums.truecrypt.org
really not that hard to find. Linking the actual thread won't do anything either way cause you need to sign up for full access. Once you are, just use in site search with the term Android or something.
...this chunk of zeroes and ones has been generated by flashing a 400 Watt halogen bulb into the open fibres of a transcontinental communications cable...
I'll give it a try.
I'm setting up a machine to work on it right now, will let you know how it goes. First attempt will be to get some sort of command-line based utility operational.
10 char +++
I've been interested in making something like this. I do have android development experience as well.
I'm assuming opening a truecrypt container would be a good place to start.
How interested are you guys, really?

[Q] Master list of apk's

I can't seem to find a master list of apk's. I'm not talking about just stock, I mean everything. Kind of like a big giant kitchen. Not a list of what should be there, but actual download links. I am thinking the community would benefit from going to a single place to say "hmm....I'd like to try a different email.apk today." Basically a self-service kitchen. I can't count how many times I have to go pull apart a ROM to strip out the keyboard I like to put on my new ROM.
I think this will help cut down on many questions like "where can I find the patched mms.apk......" questions I see all the time. One place.
There is something similar to this in the Vibrant forum, but thought a giant consortium for Galaxy S would be best. Maybe it's something I'd have to work on, but I'd love to have it added to the WIKI. Think about it, you go download your favorite ROM/kernel, whatever, then add some spices........and voila! a kitchen without the hassle of downloading an entire ROM because you want to change one little thing.
Am I crazy? Have I really missed something in all my searches? Am I suffering from Search Overload?
Guess its time to bring a dead thread back to life because I was thinking about this myself just the other day... or is there already one that I'm missing?
I can and will host files if needed I have space and bandwidth that's going to waste.
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PARAGON RC5
So fresh and so clean
Jay_eS_Iye said:
Guess its time to bring a dead thread back to life because I was thinking about this myself just the other day... or is there already one that I'm missing?
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_NULL_ said:
I can and will host files if needed I have space and bandwidth that's going to waste.
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PARAGON RC5
So fresh and so clean
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Hosting stock apps might be ok, but def. not paid non-stock apps..!
diablo009 said:
Hosting stock apps might be ok, but def. not paid non-stock apps..!
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I wasn't thinking paid appear, but like different free ones that are already out there or apk's for different modified apps that you see on different roms as long as their creators are cool with it
Yes! That's my point. I'd love to have a list of modified stock apps I can scroll through. You know, like a list of all the available email apps (stock, aosp, gingerbread, themed, etc...)The wiki seems like a good place to post it cause then themers/chefs can post up links to their work.
I honestly started digging around last weekend trying to collect links through the forums, but my god is that a lot of work! However thee pay off would be HUGE for all of xda. I just wish I had more time to start it AND all themers/modders/chefs would have to use it! That's what I feel would be more difficult than anything. Trying to get everyone to keep updating it. especially considering many frame work apps are "cross-platform" if you will, meaning an email app from a Desire might work in my Captivate. I'd like to try anyways.
Who's up for helping me? If only I was unemployed i'd have the time.
P.S. This made me happy seeing that someone agrees with me. I thought I had gotten totally ignored.
Sent from my pocket.
Well there are these threads:
[REF] **Captivate MOD/Theme Directory**
has some of the mods listed on there, not much tho (like ROM specific modifications I've seen around)
APK Download
a list of stock APK's and some non stock
So I think starting with this and adding some others would be a good list, especially stickied

[Q] Honeybunches thread

What happened to the honeybunches thread? What was the reason it was deleted??
OP requested that his thread be deleted.
Huh okay, thanks.
Was a reason given? Is he working on a newer version? I donated money and although I understand that a donation is giving someone money without precondition, an explanation would be the polite thing to do.
66cat389 said:
Was a reason given? Is he working on a newer version? I donated money and although I understand that a donation is giving someone money without precondition, an explanation would be the polite thing to do.
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You donated money to someone for a small tweak on the Honeycomb SDK port that deeper-blue had created... Your loss.
Not really, I appreciated his work. And since I cannot contribute to the community with expertise, I choose to do so with money since I am generally a fan of the work put out by others on this board. Trust me, if blue had a donate link I would be one of the first to kick in some cash. But he hasn't and despite being a "minor tweak" the build was still quite good.
I DENIED ALL DONATIONS... NO MONEY WAS TAKEN. I didnt want any legal issues with google. I saw in deepers q&a about the market.
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66cat389 said:
Not really, I appreciated his work. And since I cannot contribute to the community with expertise, I choose to do so with money since I am generally a fan of the work put out by others on this board. Trust me, if blue had a donate link I would be one of the first to kick in some cash. But he hasn't and despite being a "minor tweak" Mr. ____ build was still quite good.
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Just a personal thing... Can you please remove my name from your post? Thanks.
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sorry guys
All is good Marcusant! Your work was/is very much appreciated and I look forward to seeing what you do with this in the future. Maybe an EMMC build in coordination with DB? hehe
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Just a personal thing... Can you please remove my name from your post? Thanks.
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Not a problem, I apologize if I stepped on your privacy.
He deleted his post because it was becoming quite apparent that he was blatantly copying someone else's work. Taking a "picture" (diskimage) of a working version of someone else's work with a couple of apks added to it does not make it "your custom rom". He had no business giving advice on technicalities of Honeycomb that he had no understanding of, and it's no wonder that Blue wouldn't give this kid the time of day and "work together" on future builds...I'm really surprised no one called him on it earlier than now...
I do believe the reason for the OP deleting was merely the fact that you aren't meant to include GApps (Market, Gmail, Maps etc..) inside ROMS or devices that aren't licensed by Google. That's why you don't see cheap Android tablets with the Android Market on - Google hasn't licensed them too. Same applies to ROMS.
Actually Marcusant wasn't just adding "a few apks." He tweaked DB's release to make an image that would fit a 2gb card for those that didn't have access to bigger cards.
Yep--makes it even shadier-- Here is his math, in base form:
(Deep Blue's build) + (Google's Gapps) + (LauncherPro) = ("MY CUSTOM ROM" WOOT?)
It was wrong on every level.
Zeroing out space and using a partition tool still leaves you with someone elses exact work underneath. Not an excuse. Fine (IMO) to post as a image of DB's build, but NOT as 'my custom rom'. Anyone else agree?
TyRonathon said:
I do believe the reason for the OP deleting was merely the fact that you aren't meant to include GApps (Market, Gmail, Maps etc..) inside ROMS or devices that aren't licensed by Google. That's why you don't see cheap Android tablets with the Android Market on - Google hasn't licensed them too. Same applies to ROMS.
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Do you think that Google would sue the guy over a rom on his nook color he was using for personal use? I don't. I could see it if he was selling the rom or selling nooks he rooted and put the market on. If Google were going to sue it probably would have started a long time ago with all of the devices that have been rooted and the market was put on. Or it would have started when the nc was first rooted and the market was put on it.
Why would they sue? As long as people are using it like they should then google is just MAKING MORE MONEY by us having the market on another device to buy apps with.
Marcusant did google ask you to take your thread down?
Just to clarify, deeper-blue was fine with my work...
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mazook98 said:
Yep--makes it even shadier-- Here is his math, in base form:
(Deep Blue's build) + (Google's Gapps) + (LauncherPro) = ("MY CUSTOM ROM" WOOT?)
It was wrong on every level.
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By your assessment, Deep Blue is just copying someone else's work too (i.e. Google). I thought the point of this forum is for people to find ways of making our devices work better, or making it easier to make our devices work better?
The only real issue, that I can see here, is that he included the Market. He also made several tweaks (tweaks Deep Blue did not make), including raising the DPI and making it fit on a 2GB card.
This is not supposed to be a site about egos or who's copying who. He gave credit to Deep Blue and this is all that is necessary. He never claimed to have created the whole thing himself.
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Just to clarify, deeper-blue was fine with my work...
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Really???? Maybe you should rethink that statement. There is no record whatsoever of deeperblue ever responding to one of your posts, or questions needing help from him on Xda. Having to communicate with someone that is 'fine with your work' by posting "DEEPER BLUE PLEEEASE READ" messages in their thread should be all the evidence you need. You might want to actually talk to him before making these claims.
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New website!!! Just for us!!!

Let me know what you guys think???
A place for rookies and anvance hackers - testing ROMS and stuff!
VerizonTBolt
www.verizontbolt.webuda.com
Nicw thanks
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frankzua77 said:
Let me know what you guys think???
A place for rookies and anvance hackers - testing ROMS and stuff!
VerizonTBolt
www.verizontbolt.webuda.com
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Don't take this the wrong way, but creating a website for the Thunderbolt right now is like showing up late to a party with a 12 pack of Bud Light. Everyone will be happy you came, but you didn't bring anything that wasn't already there. Now, if you show up with a bottle of Single Barrel Jack Daniel's, you will be the shiznit at the party. So, if you can, please try to bring something different to your website. With that said, I'll be sure to keep checking on your site, it's always nice to have more people at the party.
COMING SOON!!!!!!!
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Thanks for the input guys!
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Don't take this the wrong way, but creating a website for the Thunderbolt right now is like showing up late to a party with a 12 pack of Bud Light. Everyone will be happy you came, but you didn't bring anything that wasn't already there. Now, if you show up with a bottle of Single Barrel Jack Daniel's, you will be the shiznit at the party. So, if you can, please try to bring something different to your website. With that said, I'll be sure to keep checking on your site, it's always nice to have more people at the party.
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To be honest, I love this idea. It's kind of hard to find updated roms and mods for any phone, not to mention the Thunderbolt. BeardedMan... Why is making a website like this, which will (hopefully) be a good hub for Thunderbolt mods and roms, getting "late to the party?" Is there another website out there like this, besides the android forms or Rom Manager? If there is, I'd like to know.
frankzua77, I would like to say thank you. If this website becomes what I think it will, it will make modding the Thunderbolt so much easier. If you need any help, just let me know.
I think the problem beardedman is referencing is the fact that there are a lot of android websites/forums already (even thunderbolt specific) and that there are a lot of much newer phones getting the attention. I have yet to not find anything I'm looking for without a 10 second search on Google. And the Thunderbolt is real close to being yesterday's superphone, if it's not already.
Plus, the problem with any of these sites is someone has to maintain it...which means sifting through posts, updating daily, etc. Unless it's a wiki that anyone can update, it's the same reason that the stickies all get outdated. Heck, it's the same reason I've started threads on many forums for many topics trying to compile information and eventually given up.
Now that I've rained on the parade and come off as a prick, I do applaud the effort...even if it doesn't stay updated or become the hub you imagine, at least you have an idea and a passion and are trying to do something about it. Don't lose that. And who knows...maybe it's just what the community needs
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/htc-thunderbolt-forum/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=940
http://www.teambamf.net/index.php/forum/15-htc-thunderbolt/
http://themikmik.com/forumdisplay.php?1004-HTC-Thunderbolt-ROM-Development
http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/
I have a "Thunderbolt" folder in my Bookmarks (just like I used to with my Incredible) that I have the five links in. I can open all the links and catch up with all the newest Thunderbolt news, for the most part. And the Thunderbolt is old news actually, just being honest.
TUDrewser understood what I meant, I wasn't being rude. ThunderNet, trying checking the above sites, I bet you'll find answers to whatever questions you have.
ThunderNet said:
To be honest, I love this idea. It's kind of hard to find updated roms and mods for any phone, not to mention the Thunderbolt. BeardedMan... Why is making a website like this, which will (hopefully) be a good hub for Thunderbolt mods and roms, getting "late to the party?" Is there another website out there like this, besides the android forms or Rom Manager? If there is, I'd like to know.
frankzua77, I would like to say thank you. If this website becomes what I think it will, it will make modding the Thunderbolt so much easier. If you need any help, just let me know.
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Please see my sig..
Users can submit a MOD, Downlad mods or whatever right from the web.
Still a WIP, but just needs attention.
Not knocking this idea at all, but should really consider opening it up to a wiki format and not center only on the thunderbolt.
!
I really appreciate everyone that makes their point, I am currently working on the page. One of my goals is to have videos that can show you a ROM even before you consider downloading it. I know we are focusing on the tbolt, who knows maybe later on this expands to having other phones and stuff...
I need your help on deciding on a domain name! Right now im using a free domain service but I would like to purchase a domain, any ideas???
Also please click on the ads on the bottom as this is how the site will be funded for right now.
www.verizontbolt.webuda.com
Interesting
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