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Hi all,
First post here for me Got my TyTN II a few days ago and I'm loving it. It's such a nice phone and has a great build quality.
The only big thing that I find disappointing is the speed of the device. My previous phone was an HTC Wizard and my TyTN II is supposed to be literally double the speed of it, but there's no way it feels like that. In fact the Wizard, when overclocked with BatteryStatus to about 260Mhz) seems faster than this new beast (at times).
The things I particularly notice the slow speed with are...
- opening the keyboard (switching from portrait to landscape mode seems to take 2-3 times as long as with the Wizard)
- navigating (scrolling) through the list of Programs just seems sluggish compared to my [overclocked] Wizard
Another peculiar thing I've noticed is the speed of the "view finder" in the camera. It seems sluggish to the EXTREME, almost like a "night mode" is permanently on! I've noticed that sometimes putting the device in to standby and waking it back up gets the view finder running at "full speed" (what I would say looks like 25-30 fps).
Anyone got a clue what I'm talking about?
Dave
Did you add any applications (which may not be 100% compatible) after getting the machine? I had a Wizard too and am waiting for the TyTN II to come, but with the Wizard certain applications slowed the phone down much!
Regards,
Nika.
Well yeah, I've loaded it with a ton of rubbish now but in all honesty I noticed the slow down when I first took the machine out of the box.
The camera preview/view finder is particularly puzzling!
I've just put BatteryStatus on (a) to see if the CPU is constantly working and (b) with the hope to overclock it a little. I've just noticed that it doesn't support the TyTYN II processor tho so that's out of the window!
Once a new cooked and "polished" ROM comes out for your Kaiser, it will work faster. Almost every first official ROM is buggy and sluggish. it's not the hardware, it's the software.
One reason why I don't buy a device on it's first release.
About the camera preview/view finder slowness, it is due to not enough light in the room.
I was puzzled also. I tought I got faulty device.
Try to use it outdoor, it is very good when it has enough light.
Here is the discussion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328628
UncleJimbo said:
Well yeah, I've loaded it with a ton of rubbish now but in all honesty I noticed the slow down when I first took the machine out of the box.
The camera preview/view finder is particularly puzzling!
I've just put BatteryStatus on (a) to see if the CPU is constantly working and (b) with the hope to overclock it a little. I've just noticed that it doesn't support the TyTYN II processor tho so that's out of the window!
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UncleJimbo said:
Hi all,
First post here for me Got my TyTN II a few days ago and I'm loving it. It's such a nice phone and has a great build quality.
The only big thing that I find disappointing is the speed of the device. My previous phone was an HTC Wizard and my TyTN II is supposed to be literally double the speed of it, but there's no way it feels like that. In fact the Wizard, when overclocked with BatteryStatus to about 260Mhz) seems faster than this new beast (at times).
The things I particularly notice the slow speed with are...
- opening the keyboard (switching from portrait to landscape mode seems to take 2-3 times as long as with the Wizard)
- navigating (scrolling) through the list of Programs just seems sluggish compared to my [overclocked] Wizard
Another peculiar thing I've noticed is the speed of the "view finder" in the camera. It seems sluggish to the EXTREME, almost like a "night mode" is permanently on! I've noticed that sometimes putting the device in to standby and waking it back up gets the view finder running at "full speed" (what I would say looks like 25-30 fps).
Anyone got a clue what I'm talking about?
Dave
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Well, this surprises me. Mine is very fast and in particular for those things you mention!! Screen orientation for example is virtually instantaneous (maybe 1 to 2 seconds compared with TyTn that could take 5 to 20 seconds) and scrolling (with the exception of PIE) is smooth and fast. From standby by to on is less than a second. Compared with the TyTn the camera on 2mg is much faster as well.
Not sure where that leaves us then, if you say it was like that out of the box. That does not sound like it's something you have loaded, but might be worth re-checking that with a hard reset.
I notice a suggestion above that a new ROM might be faster. I really question that because as I say my ROM (presumably the same as yours) is very fast and the single most impressive thing about the device!
In your situation - I would seriously consider a hard reset to be sure it was a good installation. If problems persist, I would be tempted to look at a replacement as that slowness is not normal.
Mike
DaVince said:
Once a new cooked and "polished" ROM comes out for your Kaiser, it will work faster. Almost every first official ROM is buggy and sluggish. it's not the hardware, it's the software.
One reason why I don't buy a device on it's first release.
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That was certainly true with the TyTn, but my Kaiser (unbranded) is superbly fast. Virtually instant switch on screen rotation scrolling (except PIE), so I'm not at all convinced this is the problem in this case.
Mike
Hi
Main reason for making a device slow is running apps from the memory card. Especially if they are there in the background. Make sure that everything on your today screen and everything that runs more often is on the main memory. Storage card is good for instlations of everything you use and then close (e.g. SatNav, Camera apps etc.)
Kaiser is running extremly faster than anything else.
RonenB said:
Hi
Main reason for making a device slow is running apps from the memory card. Especially if they are there in the background. Make sure that everything on your today screen and everything that runs more often is on the main memory. Storage card is good for instlations of everything you use and then close (e.g. SatNav, Camera apps etc.)
Kaiser is running extremly faster than anything else.
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GOOD point! Not sure if the OP does this automatically as we all should, it's easy to overlook the obvious sometimes!
Mike
same experience
Hi - I too am having the same problems described above regarding the slowness. I'm using the default HTC installed rom (1.56.405.5).
Were you able to solve the slowness issue? If so, how?
Thanks.
I'm having an odd slowdown issue. Everything runs incredibly fast pretty much 90% of the time except when I'm syncing. Everything on the device slows to a crawl and it takes forever for activesync to finish its business. This occurs both when I'm syncing via the USB cable and when I'm doing it via bluetooth. Any ideas?
Bellfazar, the exact same thing happens to me too... I'm using Vista btw.
Plus i have a serious slowdown after softreset (so maybe it's software related, don't have time for hardreset), but after a minute or so, its fast again
darkilici said:
Bellfazar, the exact same thing happens to me too... I'm using Vista btw.
Plus i have a serious slowdown after softreset (so maybe it's software related, don't have time for hardreset), but after a minute or so, its fast again
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After a soft reset, the phone has to load everything in memory for the first time.. So accessing the Programs window or the start menu the first time takes a while. Accessing it for the second time, everthing is already loaded into memory and fast again...
Is there not a powertool for WM6 which can help us disabling stuff?
You can use Startup Manager by Baniaczek to disable items that start at warm reboot. Or remove them manually from the WINDOWS\Startup folder
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=262476
And use HTC Task Manager to kill running applications and/or close them when closing an app instead of minimising it...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330498
sometimes since the new kaiser tweak version i can see (batterystatus) that my processor keeps running at 100%. everything slows down. even a soft reset does not help. when i soft reset without my storage card everything is fine but as soon as i insert the card 100%. man this sucks.
reihen said:
sometimes since the new kaiser tweak version i can see (batterystatus) that my processor keeps running at 100%. everything slows down. even a soft reset does not help. when i soft reset without my storage card everything is fine but as soon as i insert the card 100%. man this sucks.
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Yeah, I can imagine! Especially when it seems you're the only one (or at least the first that complains). I don't mind trying to help you, but you'll have to answer some questions first:
1. What KaiserTweak.exe (time/date of file) and KaiserTweak.xml (time/date of file, or name of zip-file you downloaded) versions did you load?
2. What tweaks did you use after implementing the new version?
Regards,
Nika.
i never said it was the kaiser tweak nor do i think thats the problem. i restored to a backup from a week before and this still (sometimes happens). so you got me. When i figure this out i will let you know.
UncleJimbo said:
Hi all,
First post here for me Got my TyTN II a few days ago and I'm loving it. It's such a nice phone and has a great build quality.
The only big thing that I find disappointing is the speed of the device. My previous phone was an HTC Wizard and my TyTN II is supposed to be literally double the speed of it, but there's no way it feels like that. In fact the Wizard, when overclocked with BatteryStatus to about 260Mhz) seems faster than this new beast (at times).
The things I particularly notice the slow speed with are...
- opening the keyboard (switching from portrait to landscape mode seems to take 2-3 times as long as with the Wizard)
- navigating (scrolling) through the list of Programs just seems sluggish compared to my [overclocked] Wizard
Another peculiar thing I've noticed is the speed of the "view finder" in the camera. It seems sluggish to the EXTREME, almost like a "night mode" is permanently on! I've noticed that sometimes putting the device in to standby and waking it back up gets the view finder running at "full speed" (what I would say looks like 25-30 fps).
Anyone got a clue what I'm talking about?
Dave
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Try Q-Mobile 1.11 it is the fastest ROM I have ever used.
Right another thing ive noticed tonight...and i would have thought HTC would have solved this but seems like they couldnt care less.
Left my phone on charge at 6pm and went downstairs to watch some TV...anyways i came upstairs at about 12 and turned the phone on....it was in sleep mode like it normally does. Anyways looked at my screen and saw that the internet connection was still alive even though i specified that it should disconn after 1 min of idling. I also found the phone to be extremely sluggish....touchflow slowed right to a crawl. I opened up the the status and looked at the memory and it was down to 23mb!!!...no bloody wonder it wasnt snappy lol. Now this is where it gets interesting because really i had nothing running on the phone...always make sure all tasks are killed off. The only thing that was running was my gmail polling which takes place every hr or so...so dont know if that was causing a massive memory leak.
Im running it with the 1.37 uk stock rom as its a uk spec diamond...i looked through the task manager and couldnt see anything running.
So has anyone found this with the 1.37 rom??..i was going to flash to the new TLR 1.37 rom but just havent had time...has that rom fixed the memory loss.
Dont get me wrong, i still love the device...i restarted the phoen and all was well but over the past few hrs ive been watching the status of the memory and its slowly getting lower and lower. To be honest ive never come across a phone with such a bad case of memory leakage...ive owned most of the SE smartphones...P800, P900, P910i and P990c and i never found them to be as bad as the Diamond. But the good thing about those phones is that SE usually put out a new firmware to sort the memory leakage problems.
So i was just wondereing if anyone found their devices suffering from massive memory leakage....i know its WM thats causing it...
Just to give you an example....i re-started my phone about an hr ago and it was at 50 odd free mb...less than an hr later its at 40.85 mb free...and 72mb are being used...
Hi Spawn,
I've tried every ROM available and none of them fix the memory leak. After some time, a soft reset is necessary to get the TouchFLO 3D 'performance' back. My biggest gripe, is that when returning to the home screen, and watching the hour and minutes 'flop over' the hour part stutters a little bit. The only ROM I've had no stutter with is the Middle East ROM, and even then after some time the memory leak gets worse and it starts stuttering again. *Really* annoys me. Surely it cant be that hard to make that little animation look smooth and fluid.
HTC really need to get off their collective asses and fix this.
In the meantime, thank god for xda-developers.com!
You could try something: turn off Flow and see if you still get a leak.
I loved the look of the interface, but was forever actioning wrong items/ringing wrong people/whatever. I dropped it and went beck to SPB Mobile Shell (which I had been using on my 'good old' P3600i). I have never seen any leak.
I've noticed this too.
If I click on the little task manager icon in the top right corner as soon as the phone is rebooted it displays about 50% roughly. As the day goes on, its up at about 75% - and I have no programs running at all. The only thing I've used through the day is Texting and a bit of Opera.
It seems the phone needs rebooted every day or 2...
I'm also running the UK 1.37 ROM
Hi,
Does Hibernate help reclaim the lost RAM?
Regards
Hello,
You know, the memory leak problem exists since Windows Mobile 6.0. I had it with my previous Eten X500+. Unfortunately, it has not been fixed with WM 6.1. This is a microsoft problem, not HTC...
Philippe
salada2k said:
Hi Spawn,
I've tried every ROM available and none of them fix the memory leak. After some time, a soft reset is necessary to get the TouchFLO 3D 'performance' back. My biggest gripe, is that when returning to the home screen, and watching the hour and minutes 'flop over' the hour part stutters a little bit. The only ROM I've had no stutter with is the Middle East ROM, and even then after some time the memory leak gets worse and it starts stuttering again. *Really* annoys me. Surely it cant be that hard to make that little animation look smooth and fluid.
HTC really need to get off their collective asses and fix this.
In the meantime, thank god for xda-developers.com!
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Yep thats what my diamond was doing...it was having a hard time with the clock.
Anyways seems like we are stuck with this memory leak till HTC release a rom which rectifies or wait for someone to cook up a rom which will rectify the memory leak. Only other gripe i have other than the memory leak is the battery but thats not too bad.
Guess ill just have to re-start the phone every so often. I disabled emailing polling as that seemed to cause it to hang a bit ie the connection stays on even though ive told it to disconn after a min of idling.
Hibernate as far as i know doesnt help the situation as my phone last night was in sleep mode.
I have this issue also, and I have to restart the phone once every two days to free up the memory. I think I know where this comes from : TouchFlo3D records every action you make to optimize the use the next time you boot
or not...
raphaelc said:
I have this issue also, and I have to restart the phone once every two days to free up the memory. I think I know where this comes from : TouchFlo3D records every action you make to optimize the use the next time you boot
or not...
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Yeh after doing a few more tests, it seems like tfl3d is right resource hog...it just wants to take over everything. Im hoping future rom releases optimises the tfl3d but like you im resorting to restart the phone every other day or else it just becomes unuseable.
Its shocking how bad HTC are with their QC control...surely they could see this being a problem ie tfl3d eating up memory like a rabid wolverine.
Thank god for XDA though, at least ill be happy in the knowledge that someone here will be able to figure out this mem leakage and sort it out fingers crossed.
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Its shocking how bad HTC are with their QC control...
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it must be the same dream team which Q-checked windows vista
raphaelc said:
it must the same dream team which Q-checked windows vista
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LOL...well i run vista ultimate on my laptop and its not that bad...M$ and HTC really dont have a clue when it comes to mem leakage...even in WM6 and before it was apparent that memory leakage is a problem..they really need to address the memory leakage problem....i just wish they would do so rather than ignore the problem altogether.
I've changed the clock to the non-flipping one... it seems to make the TouchFlo a bit smoother as it has less 3D to cope with. You certainly notice it after a day when pressing the Home key - its much quicker!
After two years of ownership Ive got rid of my much loved TD1 and changed it for a TD2 running WM6.5. To my amazement it actually runs slower than my old TD1. It has problems where sometimes the screen hangs then kind of catchs up with itself, typical of WM devices but now much more pronounced on my TD2.
Ive used Advanced Config tool (by schapps) which is, I believe, primarily aimed at the TD1/WM6.1 but that doesnt help much. Ive searched through the forums many times (typically getting distracted by Android forum news for the device)
Im also getting a lot of memory bleed, with memory after reset about 50% and 8 hours later about 70%. Ive made sure that closing apps with the X actually really does close the app.
Is there any point in delaying the inevitable, ie, flashing a cooked rom, or can I salvage some form of WM6.5 dignity with the stock rom using some tweaking tools?
Spenner said:
After two years of ownership Ive got rid of my much loved TD1 and changed it for a TD2 running WM6.5. To my amazement it actually runs slower than my old TD1. It has problems where sometimes the screen hangs then kind of catchs up with itself, typical of WM devices but now much more pronounced on my TD2.
Ive used Advanced Config tool (by schapps) which is, I believe, primarily aimed at the TD1/WM6.1 but that doesnt help much. Ive searched through the forums many times (typically getting distracted by Android forum news for the device)
Im also getting a lot of memory bleed, with memory after reset about 50% and 8 hours later about 70%. Ive made sure that closing apps with the X actually really does close the app.
Is there any point in delaying the inevitable, ie, flashing a cooked rom, or can I salvage some form of WM6.5 dignity with the stock rom using some tweaking tools?
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Well before you do so you might want to check out htcs website as they do still have a 6.1 ROM on there which you might want to try out before going down the cooked ROM line
First of all, my google-fu is very weak. Furthermore, the forum search engine apparently hates me, so please don't say anything about research or searching. I've tried and failed spectacularly. Also, I'm something of a newbie, so please be merciful. Thank you.
My old ROM is starting to act up, so I'm looking for a fast and stable Windows Mobile 6.5.x ROM with TouchFlo3D. Other things I can't live without are the long-press End and Call keys and the long-press Power key drop-down menu (like in the Touch X ROMs by smaberg), but if those can be installed afterwards without messing the ROM up, they're not required in the ROM itself.
Also, I never use the Xperia Panels (always delete all the Panel stuff and re-bind the X-Panel key to Nitrogen ), so not having the Panel Manager would be a plus.
I have previously used mainly the Touch X ROMs (I'm a huge fan), but they're not available in 6.5, so I'm willing to experiment with some 6.5 in order to (hopefully) find a new favorite. My current ROM is the Touch X 10.9.1 Nuts, that's the kind of speed and reliability I'm used to.
What I mainly use my Xperia for:
Calling and texting, naturally (VITO SMS-Chat)
Getting up in the morning (ageye G-Alarm)
Music (Nitrogen)
Internet (Opera Mobile 10)
GPS (Google Maps)
Notes (OneNote Mobile)
Movies (Media Player)
I'm going to install all of those by myself, so don't worry about them.
Thanks in advance for any help, guys!
Dynamics 2.0 should satisfy your needs. It's the most stable rom on this forum, at least in my testing.
phobius87 said:
Dynamics 2.0 should satisfy your needs. It's the most stable rom on this forum, at least in my testing.
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totally agree, so far Dynamics 2.0 is the best choice.
Dynamics 2.0 seems to have TF3D all right and I can do the long-press keys by myself. I'll surely try Dynamics out.
EDIT: Found the drop-down menu thingy, it's smaberg's Actionscreen.
try one of energy's roms. they are very fast and stable, with a host of customizations.
Whoa, the Energy ROMs seem real nice, thanks for pointing them out! They might take a bit of getting used to, but in the end I think they might be worth it.
Also, while Dynamics 2.0 is probably the stablest of the two (having less modification done and all), which one is the faster one? Anyone have any experience or insight?
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Whoa, the Energy ROMs seem real nice, thanks for pointing them out! They might take a bit of getting used to, but in the end I think they might be worth it.
Also, while Dynamics 2.0 is probably the stablest of the two (having less modification done and all), which one is the faster one? Anyone have any experience or insight?
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frankly speaking Dynamics seems like a rather new ROM (post Jan 2011) and since i 'decommissioned my X1 in Dec as a secondary phone to my Milestone 2, i havent gotten around trying it. however, from my experience of using many other ROMs, i personally found energy's ROMs to be really FAST and STABLE. it shouldnt take much getting used to as its based on the HTC HD2 (with the latest HTC sense).
if you are looking for raw speed, then go for the most basic version with the least applications. i think it should be labeled as sense 2018. however if you wanna save yourself the time from installing programs from nitrogen to opera, go for his sense 2019. and since he has skinned many variants, you can choose the design you like best.
hope it helps. if u really do want, i can try find some time over the weekend to flash the Dynamics ROM and let you know how it is. do let me know anyway.
cheers
BEFORE I FORGET
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=886371
you can also check this out. ROMs which do not have TouchFlo or HTC Sense tend to be comparatively faster. though i havent personally tried pure, i heard some pretty good remarks on it.
my advice, if u can, try them both out. Pure and Energy, with and without Sense, and see which suits your personal needs the best.
hope i am helping instead of confusing you. if you need any clarification, do ask.
cheers
hope i am helping instead of confusing you. if you need any clarification, do ask.
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You're not a least bit confusing, I may be a bit green but not a total newbie.
EDIT: I'm flashing Energy as we speak. Ran into a bad case of Error 262, but got over it.
Tych0n said:
You're not a least bit confusing, I may be a bit green but not a total newbie.
EDIT: I'm flashing Energy as we speak. Ran into a bad case of Error 262, but got over it.
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so sorry for the late reply. just got up from my nightly slumber...lol. anyways, glad to hear im not confusing. i tend to mix up my words sometimes.
oh ryt, i have never gotten any errors while flashing any ROMs but its good u got over it. anyhow, i do hope it is fast enough and stable enough for ur liking. as i said in my opinion of flashing many ROMs i found this the best, and hence the reason why i recommended it to u
do keep me posted on how ur finding it
EDIT: im sorry but i think i might have given you the wrong link for the PURE ROM. its actually Russel's Eclair I was on about. there arent many screenshots on it, but if you do read on you'll know that it is a very minimalistic ROM, which runs on WM6.1/6.5 without sense. and its been skinned like a stock ROM. the beta version i flashed in november was superb. you could give it a try as well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=776946
Well, I'm having slight problems with how complicated the Energy ROM UI is, as well as numerous dead shortcuts and programs failing to start. Also, HTC Sense 2.5 is noticeably slower than TouchFlo3D (which my previous ROM used), so everything doesn't glide as smooth. So I'm not a huge fan, at least not yet. If I can't get this to work like I want, I'll try flashing a different Energy ROM. If that doesn't work, Dynamics 2.0. If that doesn't work... I don't know... Touch X 10.10?
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Well, I'm having slight problems with how complicated the Energy ROM UI is, as well as numerous dead shortcuts and programs failing to start. Also, HTC Sense 2.5 is noticeably slower than TouchFlo3D (which my previous ROM used), so everything doesn't glide as smooth. So I'm not a huge fan, at least not yet. If I can't get this to work like I want, I'll try flashing a different Energy ROM. If that doesn't work, Dynamics 2.0. If that doesn't work... I don't know... Touch X 10.10?
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u see how he has skinned different variants? what i have tried was the glass version. its actually very smooth on my phone.
and yes, it might be a little complicated initially, but the more u mess around with your phone, the more you'll learn. as for dead shortcuts and non start ups, check through the thread to see if anybody has the same problems as you. if they do it might be a bug (and the cook might either be working on a fix, or there might already be one).
as i said earlier i havent tried dynamics as its a relatively new ROM. but touch X is considerably slower than energy in opinion, with very regular crashes. in my opinion, using everything from rotastrains to energy, this is by far the best ROM with Sense out there when i tested.
EDIT: if others have not reported the same problem as you, try a hard reset. if that doesnt solve it, ask the cook for advice by posting on the thread. you are sure to get a solution within 24 hours. im sure its just something simple to tweak around
I'm using the Dinik's Anastasia. Some things are infinitely faster than in Touch X, such as opening menus and starting/closing most programs, but others are a crawl, such as switching between the pages of the home screen and opening the start menu. So it's good, but not perfect. So Energy is about as good as Touch X was, although better looking, which the ease-of-use of the Touch X-series compensates for. Although to be honest I'm yet to fully get the hold on Energy, so it might be this grows to be my favorite ROM later on.
I resolved the dead shortcuts. They were actually links to HTC Sense tabs which I had disabled, so the shortcuts just pointed me to the Sense home screen. I'm probably going to hunt down and delete all those shortcuts, because the whole concept of them appears pretty stupid to me. Why have links in the start menu for things that are already displayed as tabs in the normal UI? It's infinitely slower to get to them via start menu...
Anyhow, I'll continue playing around with the ROM. I'm starting to like it...
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I'm using the Dinik's Anastasia. Some things are infinitely faster than in Touch X, such as opening menus and starting/closing most programs, but others are a crawl, such as switching between the pages of the home screen and opening the start menu. So it's good, but not perfect. So Energy is about as good as Touch X was, although better looking, which the ease-of-use of the Touch X-series compensates for. Although to be honest I'm yet to fully get the hold on Energy, so it might be this grows to be my favorite ROM later on.
I resolved the dead shortcuts. They were actually links to HTC Sense tabs which I had disabled, so the shortcuts just pointed me to the Sense home screen. I'm probably going to hunt down and delete all those shortcuts, because the whole concept of them appears pretty stupid to me. Why have links in the start menu for things that are already displayed as tabs in the normal UI? It's infinitely slower to get to them via start menu...
Anyhow, I'll continue playing around with the ROM. I'm starting to like it...
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well there is no such thing as a perfect custom ROM. all ROMs are plagued with bugs. the reason i recommended Energy in the first place, was because it crashes the least. u wouldnt need to soft reset your phone very much. also it starts up fast, and has amazingly good battery life for what it offers.
im glad to hear u managed to resolve the dead shortcuts. to be frank they didnt really bother me, as on the whole the user experience was what that mattered. and since most functions are accessible via the touch flo interface, you hardly ever need to use the start panel (if the speed bothers you)
Well, I've now set it up almost just like I want, some minor tweaks left, but good enough for now. I'm starting to notice that it is, in fact, faster than Touch X almost in every regard. The stability is slightly worse, but it's not like Energy is prone to crashes. It's still slightly more stable than the ROM the phone came with!
I deleted the whole HTC folder from the start menu and all the useless shortcuts are now gone!
I've still got some games and rarely used programs to install, but they're not important, so I'll do them when I have some extra time.
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Well, I've now set it up almost just like I want, some minor tweaks left, but good enough for now. I'm starting to notice that it is, in fact, faster than Touch X almost in every regard. The stability is slightly worse, but it's not like Energy is prone to crashes. It's still slightly more stable than the ROM the phone came with!
I deleted the whole HTC folder from the start menu and all the useless shortcuts are now gone!
I've still got some games and rarely used programs to install, but they're not important, so I'll do them when I have some extra time.
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thats good to hear, though i wouldnt entirely agree on you on the stability front. but its a subjective topic. anyway, enjoy the new ROM, and if u do need any help or advice there's a whole dedicated community here at ur disposal.
cheers
I tried to answer you four times, but each time I got the maintenance/overcapacity "Thank you for your understanding." -message when clicking Post and the forum ate my message.
For me Touch X often crashed when under strain (buffer overflow?) and not otherwise, but Energy crashes at random (when not in use, when opening the virtual keyboard) while not having the same issues Touch X has. So they're equally stabile, just in different ways.
EDIT: Just after posting this, the phone froze when it was charging and the screen was off... -.-
Sorry for double-posting, but this is an update, so I hope it's okay.
I'ma whine a bit. While the Energy ROM initially looked awesome, I'm starting to get sick of all the SODs and freezes it has at least three times a day! Touch X froze or crashed on me that many times a week and never had a single SOD.
Tomorrow or the day after I'll try flashing other versions. If that doesn't work, I'll try Dynamics 2.0.
Also, keep suggesting ROMs!
Tych0n said:
Sorry for double-posting, but this is an update, so I hope it's okay.
I'ma whine a bit. While the Energy ROM initially looked awesome, I'm starting to get sick of all the SODs and freezes it has at least three times a day! Touch X froze or crashed on me that many times a week and never had a single SOD.
Tomorrow or the day after I'll try flashing other versions. If that doesn't work, I'll try Dynamics 2.0.
Also, keep suggesting ROMs!
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its quite odd that you have so many crash issues with Energy's ROM. I never had any of those issues u mentioned. Perhaps cuz mine is an older, more stable build. anyways, there is an older ROM by Rotastrain. its called blaze & devilution. brilliant eye candy. however the developer no longer develops for the device anymore, so dont expect any updates or bug fixes. give it a try. its not as fast as Energy's but i do hope it will sort out the crashing issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=565055&highlight=blaze
I'm really fond of my current Energy ROM, but it keeps me on my toes all the time because I'm neurotically checking my phone every 15 minutes in case it has another SOD and I don't want to miss any calls because of that. Also, I'm now using another alarm clock besides the phone, because Energy has already SOD'd on me twice during the morning hours before the alarm and I don't want to be late for work.
So, I'll try every single Energy version, variation (well, all the good-looking ones... ) and build until I find one that doesn't have all the SODs and freezes. If all of them have, it's Dynamics 2.0 or Blaze or another ROM up next.
Okay so once again, another ROM has got bad after 2 weeks. FXP 349 build has got to be pretty much unsuable, the unlock button doesnt respond, and the UI crashes for a laugh now. Getting very frustrated with this phone. Its getting harder to not smash the hell out of it with a hammer.
I must be doing something wrong, but every ROM Ive used just degrades in performance to the point where I cant take how laggy it is, Ive missed phonecalls because the UI cant wake up and show the incall UI fast enough. There has to be something deep in this phone which causes bad performance.
Im moving to VanirAOSP, as it says in the title of the ROM that its fast and smooth. Lets see if it can outlast any other ROM I've tried.
Sorry for ranting, I just dont get it, is there some secret setting that everyones using and not telling about? Ive tried stock kernel with CM, williams kernel with CM, stock kernel with CrystalPA, same again with williams kernel. Art or dalvik, it seems to make no difference, no matter what, the UI will bug out. Im not moaning at the devs because I know the work they do is hard and is much appreciated. I just wish I knew why this phone cant last 2 weeks without needing to be wiped!
Every ROM gets laggy after a while. Just use some app to clear cache and thumbnails and you should be fine.
donk165 said:
Okay so once again, another ROM has got bad after 2 weeks. FXP 349 build has got to be pretty much unsuable, the unlock button doesnt respond, and the UI crashes for a laugh now. Getting very frustrated with this phone. Its getting harder to not smash the hell out of it with a hammer.
I must be doing something wrong, but every ROM Ive used just degrades in performance to the point where I cant take how laggy it is, Ive missed phonecalls because the UI cant wake up and show the incall UI fast enough. There has to be something deep in this phone which causes bad performance.
Im moving to VanirAOSP, as it says in the title of the ROM that its fast and smooth. Lets see if it can outlast any other ROM I've tried.
Sorry for ranting, I just dont get it, is there some secret setting that everyones using and not telling about? Ive tried stock kernel with CM, williams kernel with CM, stock kernel with CrystalPA, same again with williams kernel. Art or dalvik, it seems to make no difference, no matter what, the UI will bug out. Im not moaning at the devs because I know the work they do is hard and is much appreciated. I just wish I knew why this phone cant last 2 weeks without needing to be wiped!
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I have a feeling you are installing too many apps running in background at once. My phone is super smooth, fast and responsive. I just either close apps after I am done with them (kill process) or don't install trash. Deleting some in-build rom apps which you never use could also help.
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I have a feeling you are installing too many apps running in background at once. My phone is super smooth, fast and responsive. I just either close apps after I am done with them (kill process) or don't install trash. Deleting some in-build rom apps which you never use could also help.
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Well VanirAOSP has sorted out my issues for now it seems. I dont really install many apps to be honest, I use the Micro PA Gapps package and I then remove Google Now Launcher, freeze the preinstalled launcher3, install Nova launcher. I have only 17 installed apps, Facebook is the only real hog app I think, I install messenger and then freeze it to get around the Facebook app not letting me use chat within the app. I do also play Marvel Contest of Champions, and I make sure to clear all running apps before playing games. I just feel like now on this ROM, the ram is clearing properly, swiping away apps is freeing up the RAM now.
I think the difference is that this ROM is based on AOSP, whereas before, I was using CM ROM's or Crystal PA which is pretty feature rich. Ill stick with this and see if it will last. This ROM just feels noticeably faster and the UI hasnt crashed once yet, even with a theme on!
donk165 said:
Well VanirAOSP has sorted out my issues for now it seems. I dont really install many apps to be honest, I use the Micro PA Gapps package and I then remove Google Now Launcher, freeze the preinstalled launcher3, install Nova launcher. I have only 17 installed apps, Facebook is the only real hog app I think, I install messenger and then freeze it to get around the Facebook app not letting me use chat within the app. I do also play Marvel Contest of Champions, and I make sure to clear all running apps before playing games. I just feel like now on this ROM, the ram is clearing properly, swiping away apps is freeing up the RAM now.
I think the difference is that this ROM is based on AOSP, whereas before, I was using CM ROM's or Crystal PA which is pretty feature rich. Ill stick with this and see if it will last. This ROM just feels noticeably faster and the UI hasnt crashed once yet, even with a theme on!
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I could give you a tip about Facebook app and Messenger. There is an app that lets you chat using Facebook app, meaning you can get rid of Messenger. Google it and you will find it, I can't recall the name now.
kwitu said:
I could give you a tip about Facebook app and Messenger. There is an app that lets you chat using Facebook app, meaning you can get rid of Messenger. Google it and you will find it, I can't recall the name now.
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Well the way im doing it, i dont actually use messenger, its installed but frozen/disabled so it isnt used, this allows me to chat inside the facebook app but the only downside ive found is that the chat notification dont seem to be working. This was a fix I picked up while browsing the net. Ill try out this app if I can find it, the name would make it much easier to find
donk165 said:
Well VanirAOSP has sorted out my issues for now it seems. I dont really install many apps to be honest, I use the Micro PA Gapps package and I then remove Google Now Launcher, freeze the preinstalled launcher3, install Nova launcher. I have only 17 installed apps, Facebook is the only real hog app I think, I install messenger and then freeze it to get around the Facebook app not letting me use chat within the app. I do also play Marvel Contest of Champions, and I make sure to clear all running apps before playing games. I just feel like now on this ROM, the ram is clearing properly, swiping away apps is freeing up the RAM now.
I think the difference is that this ROM is based on AOSP, whereas before, I was using CM ROM's or Crystal PA which is pretty feature rich. Ill stick with this and see if it will last. This ROM just feels noticeably faster and the UI hasnt crashed once yet, even with a theme on!
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And? Are you still satisfied with this rom after a while?
Well the 'ROM decay' creeped back in. I tried to counter it by cleaning things up but I had a few problems, nothing was working, I tried fix permissions from ROM toolbox and then my phone stopped booting, tried hard reset with the button on the back, couldn't get into recovery, pretty much died on me. I eventually got into recovery and caches wipes and that didn't work, I tried reinstalling the ROM and gapps without losing my data, it just got stuck on the boot logo, then recovery stopped working again, I eventually got in and had to wipe data, reinstall ROM and I finally got the phone booting again.
I'm not satisfied to be honest, its frustrating that I have to wipe the phone or reflash the roms so often, never has a phone been this bad for me. I'm selling it and moving to the OnePlus One in a few weeks, this phone has been nothing but headaches.
donk165 said:
Well the 'ROM decay' creeped back in. I tried to counter it by cleaning things up but I had a few problems, nothing was working, I tried fix permissions from ROM toolbox and then my phone stopped booting, tried hard reset with the button on the back, couldn't get into recovery, pretty much died on me. I eventually got into recovery and caches wipes and that didn't work, I tried reinstalling the ROM and gapps without losing my data, it just got stuck on the boot logo, then recovery stopped working again, I eventually got in and had to wipe data, reinstall ROM and I finally got the phone booting again.
I'm not satisfied to be honest, its frustrating that I have to wipe the phone or reflash the roms so often, never has a phone been this bad for me. I'm selling it and moving to the OnePlus One in a few weeks, this phone has been nothing but headaches.
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IF you are going to stay or at least try for the last time, I suggest formatting /boot but please be careful as I dont really know what will happen if you reboot the device while /boot is empty.
As in PC, an empty boot partition will leave an inaccessible Operating System. If in phone they are the same then I guess it can be much repairable.
IF again it fails and you are still staying I suggest extreme formatting by using the PC Companion and start fresh.
These are still suggestions and I hope you will have a headache free adventures with One plus. Good luck
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IF you are going to stay or at least try for the last time, I suggest formatting /boot but please be careful as I dont really know what will happen if you reboot the device while /boot is empty.
As in PC, an empty boot partition will leave an inaccessible Operating System. If in phone they are the same then I guess it can be much repairable.
IF again it fails and you are still staying I suggest extreme formatting by using the PC Companion and start fresh.
These are still suggestions and I hope you will have a headache free adventures with One plus. Good luck
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Thanks for the advice, For me, its the lack of RAM on this phone which is my problem. After a reboot, i have about 300mb free ram, and as soon as I have more than one simple app running (or just one game), ill get a very slow UI, and I have to be very careful and patient with it or it will crash. To me, that is terrible, why would anyone think this is acceptable for a smartphone to just about be able to run an app and hold the interface together. When the System UI crashes, or the lockscreen, It frustrates me so much! The most important part of a touchscreen phone is the UI, without it, your just staring at a blank screen.
There has to be something deep in this phone (the kernel?) where its memory management is broken in someway, ive never experienced a phone be so unstable with 1GB of RAM. When I bought it, I was really hopeful it would be good, it was higher specced than my last phone, it had 4g, it had jelly bean updates coming out, and at the time, a future update to kitkat, and we had support from FXP and CM. What weve actually got is a half baked attempt at 4.3 by Sony, a cancelled 4.4 update, and weve been moved to legacy support by FXP when CM11 didnt even get to the stable point. We may have lollipop builds coming out which could be the savior for this phone, but im sick of waiting for something which might not happen. I just want to be able to rely on my phone and not spend half my screen on time waiting for something to crash and then restart.
Back on my Optimus L9, it has only 768MB ram and a lower clocked dual core CPU but that could run CM10 fine, I never ever had UI crashes, ever! I got lag from time to time, but nothing crashed. Thie SP has 100mb+ more RAM available and a higher clocked CPU but it feels so much more clunky and unstable compared to the L9, it should be the other way round. On my nexus 7 2012 which is similarly specced to the SP (apart from the tegra quad CPU) I again, had no UI crashes, I had lags, but at least things didnt crash. My friend has the Xperia L, which is lower specced than the SP and is only on 4.1, but again, he never gets UI crashes and generally, his phone can run games smoother than I can even though he has lower specs!
This phone, for me, just doesn't fit my needs. It cant really multi task how I would expect it to, and having the phone pretty much lock up if its writing to internal storage is a joke, installing an app from the play store, and not being able to bring down the notification bar to look at the progress without causing problems, to me just feels like something is seriously wrong. The lightbar was the only thing ive really liked on the phone to this day. At first, I was loving this phone, it was great, the only problem I had on 4.1 was that I couldn't play Injustice because it would close the game after a while. I thought, ill wait for software updates, hopefully Sony will fix it. Then the 4.3 updates came but they were buggy, but I held onto hope because at the time, 4.4 was in the pipeline. Then we got a few more 4.3 updates which did fix some bugs but this RAM problem was still there. So I gave up on Official software and tried out custom stuff. I've tried modified Stock ROM's where you get more features but the same inherent problems are there. Ive tried CM, but there hasnt been a stable release of 4.4 and the snapshot builds have also stopped. Vanir ROM is designed to be stable, its one of their highest priorities with their builds. And I definitely feel the difference, but this lack of RAM becomes more obvious with time, this week, I've seen my UI crash 4 times.
Ive done what you've said about fully starting fresh with PC companion Ive flashed stock FTF's and Ive done the PC companion method, Ive done that at least 5 times in the past. When I first do it, it seems like everything is okay. But without fail, after a month of use (usually less) the phone will bog down and the RAM issues return. Maybe my specific device has faulty RAM or something or maybe the storage is messed up. All I know is, this phone has not been enjoyable for me to use, lower specced phones are out performing it, and its value has plummeted in trade in stores like CEX, my old L9 that I traded into my local CEX is being sold for more money than an SP is.
Im sorry to rant but ive just had enough of this phone.
Ive got to flash the phone fully back to stock for when I sell it, so ill go back to full stock, and see if it will last.
donk165 said:
Thanks for the advice, For me, its the lack of RAM on this phone which is my problem. After a reboot, i have about 300mb free ram, and as soon as I have more than one simple app running (or just one game), ill get a very slow UI, and I have to be very careful and patient with it or it will crash. To me, that is terrible, why would anyone think this is acceptable for a smartphone to just about be able to run an app and hold the interface together. When the System UI crashes, or the lockscreen, It frustrates me so much! The most important part of a touchscreen phone is the UI, without it, your just staring at a blank screen.
There has to be something deep in this phone (the kernel?) where its memory management is broken in someway, ive never experienced a phone be so unstable with 1GB of RAM. When I bought it, I was really hopeful it would be good, it was higher specced than my last phone, it had 4g, it had jelly bean updates coming out, and at the time, a future update to kitkat, and we had support from FXP and CM. What weve actually got is a half baked attempt at 4.3 by Sony, a cancelled 4.4 update, and weve been moved to legacy support by FXP when CM11 didnt even get to the stable point. We may have lollipop builds coming out which could be the savior for this phone, but im sick of waiting for something which might not happen. I just want to be able to rely on my phone and not spend half my screen on time waiting for something to crash and then restart.
Back on my Optimus L9, it has only 768MB ram and a lower clocked dual core CPU but that could run CM10 fine, I never ever had UI crashes, ever! I got lag from time to time, but nothing crashed. Thie SP has 100mb+ more RAM available and a higher clocked CPU but it feels so much more clunky and unstable compared to the L9, it should be the other way round. On my nexus 7 2012 which is similarly specced to the SP (apart from the tegra quad CPU) I again, had no UI crashes, I had lags, but at least things didnt crash. My friend has the Xperia L, which is lower specced than the SP and is only on 4.1, but again, he never gets UI crashes and generally, his phone can run games smoother than I can even though he has lower specs!
This phone, for me, just doesn't fit my needs. It cant really multi task how I would expect it to, and having the phone pretty much lock up if its writing to internal storage is a joke, installing an app from the play store, and not being able to bring down the notification bar to look at the progress without causing problems, to me just feels like something is seriously wrong. The lightbar was the only thing ive really liked on the phone to this day. At first, I was loving this phone, it was great, the only problem I had on 4.1 was that I couldn't play Injustice because it would close the game after a while. I thought, ill wait for software updates, hopefully Sony will fix it. Then the 4.3 updates came but they were buggy, but I held onto hope because at the time, 4.4 was in the pipeline. Then we got a few more 4.3 updates which did fix some bugs but this RAM problem was still there. So I gave up on Official software and tried out custom stuff. I've tried modified Stock ROM's where you get more features but the same inherent problems are there. Ive tried CM, but there hasnt been a stable release of 4.4 and the snapshot builds have also stopped. Vanir ROM is designed to be stable, its one of their highest priorities with their builds. And I definitely feel the difference, but this lack of RAM becomes more obvious with time, this week, I've seen my UI crash 4 times.
Ive done what you've said about fully starting fresh with PC companion Ive flashed stock FTF's and Ive done the PC companion method, Ive done that at least 5 times in the past. When I first do it, it seems like everything is okay. But without fail, after a month of use (usually less) the phone will bog down and the RAM issues return. Maybe my specific device has faulty RAM or something or maybe the storage is messed up. All I know is, this phone has not been enjoyable for me to use, lower specced phones are out performing it, and its value has plummeted in trade in stores like CEX, my old L9 that I traded into my local CEX is being sold for more money than an SP is.
Im sorry to rant but ive just had enough of this phone.
Ive got to flash the phone fully back to stock for when I sell it, so ill go back to full stock, and see if it will last.
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Its okay and I have read all of your post
It quite saddens me that some people isnt actually having fun with their SP. Shockingly enough, my SP does not face those mentioned problems (heck most of those that appears in the forum) but some exceptions goes to Stock Rom bugs and game problems.
This is my first android phone, I actually always wanted one but i am a teenager - i dont make money. But since my dad bought me this lovely sp, I have finally gained so much knowledge about android and it somehow further strengthens my Linux knowledge.
Maybe I was just lucky. Perhaps. But who knows if something is still wrong with my phone
I understand things will get older - people will buy new phones, developer will stop developing, people who got bored of customising etc. In fact I have seen so much decline of SP since the discontinued 4.4 update.
This is my first smartphone and I love it. It has an awesome community and awesome devs, but now it is getting old. Which quite sad to me.
I am saving for Ara phone (i hope it doesnt fail like smartwatches do). Since you are quite involved with many developments (i mean you customise your phone much like others), I hope your transition to a new device is a breeze. And above all, doesn't have the bugs that SP has.
LOL, I thought I was the only one with a "faulty SP".
My XSP has the exact same problems as yours. It is very annoying to change ROMS (or wipe data) every month.
The RAM is SO BAD on my SP, even though it only have 1GB of RAM, it should be a lot better. I didn't have such problems on my Motorola Defy + as I have with the XSP.
I thank so much that we have very nice developers, always trying to improve our user exp., but for some people like me it's difficult.
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Its okay and I have read all of your post
It quite saddens me that some people isnt actually having fun with their SP. Shockingly enough, my SP does not face those mentioned problems (heck most of those that appears in the forum) but some exceptions goes to Stock Rom bugs and game problems.
This is my first android phone, I actually always wanted one but i am a teenager - i dont make money. But since my dad bought me this lovely sp, I have finally gained so much knowledge about android and it somehow further strengthens my Linux knowledge.
Maybe I was just lucky. Perhaps. But who knows if something is still wrong with my phone
I understand things will get older - people will buy new phones, developer will stop developing, people who got bored of customising etc. In fact I have seen so much decline of SP since the discontinued 4.4 update.
This is my first smartphone and I love it. It has an awesome community and awesome devs, but now it is getting old. Which quite sad to me.
I am saving for Ara phone (i hope it doesnt fail like smartwatches do). Since you are quite involved with many developments (i mean you customise your phone much like others), I hope your transition to a new device is a breeze. And above all, doesn't have the bugs that SP has.
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Well atleast you have started on a better android device than my first one. My first was a ZTE Skate and this was back in the gingerbread days. 512MB RAM, Single core CPU, barely any internal storage. Im very used to using android in a minimalist way, but the SP just takes it to a whole different level for me, i cant take it! Im glad that you arnt having all the same problems Im having. The fact that not everyone is getting the problems is a frustration because unless its a widespread problem, people wont really be pulling together to fix it because they dont understand/experience the problems. It has to be some kind of manufacturing defect, maybe certain batches of RAM/Storage chips used in the SP are defective/bad performers.
I hope the XSP continues to work well for you!
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LOL, I thought I was the only one with a "faulty SP".
My XSP has the exact same problems as yours. It is very annoying to change ROMS (or wipe data) every month.
The RAM is SO BAD on my SP, even though it only have 1GB of RAM, it should be a lot better. I didn't have such problems on my Motorola Defy + as I have with the XSP.
I thank so much that we have very nice developers, always trying to improve our user exp., but for some people like me it's difficult.
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Its a very weird problem, but its definitely RAM/Storage related.
I agree with you about the devs, I appreciate their hard work, it is great having all these ROM's to choose from when trying to solve the problems. It just seems it doesn't matter which ROM you are on, the problems will always be there. The problem must lie within the hardware or deep in the software side of things, beyond the ROM's like in the kernel or something. I dont know enough about those sides of a phone, but I can see just from using the phone, something isnt right.
It sucks that you are facing the same problems, but its nice to know im not alone in my experiences, its not just me.
If only we knew what the issue was, maybe there would be a chance to solve the issue.
I have the same problems with my phone exactly and am going to smash it with a hammer when I get a new phone. It is indeed so frustrating, I expect much more from sony!
i stopped to mess up with custom kernels, stock 207 is the best option.
Ondemand cpu governor + underclock to 1500mhz + greenify
Battery life + perfomance
My usage:
4 hours online gaming per day
+ some skype calls