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Massive memory leakage

Right another thing ive noticed tonight...and i would have thought HTC would have solved this but seems like they couldnt care less.
Left my phone on charge at 6pm and went downstairs to watch some TV...anyways i came upstairs at about 12 and turned the phone on....it was in sleep mode like it normally does. Anyways looked at my screen and saw that the internet connection was still alive even though i specified that it should disconn after 1 min of idling. I also found the phone to be extremely sluggish....touchflow slowed right to a crawl. I opened up the the status and looked at the memory and it was down to 23mb!!!...no bloody wonder it wasnt snappy lol. Now this is where it gets interesting because really i had nothing running on the phone...always make sure all tasks are killed off. The only thing that was running was my gmail polling which takes place every hr or so...so dont know if that was causing a massive memory leak.
Im running it with the 1.37 uk stock rom as its a uk spec diamond...i looked through the task manager and couldnt see anything running.
So has anyone found this with the 1.37 rom??..i was going to flash to the new TLR 1.37 rom but just havent had time...has that rom fixed the memory loss.
Dont get me wrong, i still love the device...i restarted the phoen and all was well but over the past few hrs ive been watching the status of the memory and its slowly getting lower and lower. To be honest ive never come across a phone with such a bad case of memory leakage...ive owned most of the SE smartphones...P800, P900, P910i and P990c and i never found them to be as bad as the Diamond. But the good thing about those phones is that SE usually put out a new firmware to sort the memory leakage problems.
So i was just wondereing if anyone found their devices suffering from massive memory leakage....i know its WM thats causing it...
Just to give you an example....i re-started my phone about an hr ago and it was at 50 odd free mb...less than an hr later its at 40.85 mb free...and 72mb are being used...

Hi Spawn,
I've tried every ROM available and none of them fix the memory leak. After some time, a soft reset is necessary to get the TouchFLO 3D 'performance' back. My biggest gripe, is that when returning to the home screen, and watching the hour and minutes 'flop over' the hour part stutters a little bit. The only ROM I've had no stutter with is the Middle East ROM, and even then after some time the memory leak gets worse and it starts stuttering again. *Really* annoys me. Surely it cant be that hard to make that little animation look smooth and fluid.
HTC really need to get off their collective asses and fix this.
In the meantime, thank god for xda-developers.com!

You could try something: turn off Flow and see if you still get a leak.
I loved the look of the interface, but was forever actioning wrong items/ringing wrong people/whatever. I dropped it and went beck to SPB Mobile Shell (which I had been using on my 'good old' P3600i). I have never seen any leak.

I've noticed this too.
If I click on the little task manager icon in the top right corner as soon as the phone is rebooted it displays about 50% roughly. As the day goes on, its up at about 75% - and I have no programs running at all. The only thing I've used through the day is Texting and a bit of Opera.
It seems the phone needs rebooted every day or 2...
I'm also running the UK 1.37 ROM

Hi,
Does Hibernate help reclaim the lost RAM?
Regards

Hello,
You know, the memory leak problem exists since Windows Mobile 6.0. I had it with my previous Eten X500+. Unfortunately, it has not been fixed with WM 6.1. This is a microsoft problem, not HTC...
Philippe

salada2k said:
Hi Spawn,
I've tried every ROM available and none of them fix the memory leak. After some time, a soft reset is necessary to get the TouchFLO 3D 'performance' back. My biggest gripe, is that when returning to the home screen, and watching the hour and minutes 'flop over' the hour part stutters a little bit. The only ROM I've had no stutter with is the Middle East ROM, and even then after some time the memory leak gets worse and it starts stuttering again. *Really* annoys me. Surely it cant be that hard to make that little animation look smooth and fluid.
HTC really need to get off their collective asses and fix this.
In the meantime, thank god for xda-developers.com!
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Yep thats what my diamond was doing...it was having a hard time with the clock.
Anyways seems like we are stuck with this memory leak till HTC release a rom which rectifies or wait for someone to cook up a rom which will rectify the memory leak. Only other gripe i have other than the memory leak is the battery but thats not too bad.
Guess ill just have to re-start the phone every so often. I disabled emailing polling as that seemed to cause it to hang a bit ie the connection stays on even though ive told it to disconn after a min of idling.
Hibernate as far as i know doesnt help the situation as my phone last night was in sleep mode.

I have this issue also, and I have to restart the phone once every two days to free up the memory. I think I know where this comes from : TouchFlo3D records every action you make to optimize the use the next time you boot
or not...

raphaelc said:
I have this issue also, and I have to restart the phone once every two days to free up the memory. I think I know where this comes from : TouchFlo3D records every action you make to optimize the use the next time you boot
or not...
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Yeh after doing a few more tests, it seems like tfl3d is right resource hog...it just wants to take over everything. Im hoping future rom releases optimises the tfl3d but like you im resorting to restart the phone every other day or else it just becomes unuseable.
Its shocking how bad HTC are with their QC control...surely they could see this being a problem ie tfl3d eating up memory like a rabid wolverine.
Thank god for XDA though, at least ill be happy in the knowledge that someone here will be able to figure out this mem leakage and sort it out fingers crossed.

Spawn12 said:
Its shocking how bad HTC are with their QC control...
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it must be the same dream team which Q-checked windows vista

raphaelc said:
it must the same dream team which Q-checked windows vista
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LOL...well i run vista ultimate on my laptop and its not that bad...M$ and HTC really dont have a clue when it comes to mem leakage...even in WM6 and before it was apparent that memory leakage is a problem..they really need to address the memory leakage problem....i just wish they would do so rather than ignore the problem altogether.

I've changed the clock to the non-flipping one... it seems to make the TouchFlo a bit smoother as it has less 3D to cope with. You certainly notice it after a day when pressing the Home key - its much quicker!

2 weeks since I got my diamond!

Overall very impressed so far, this is cetainly the best WM device I have owned - it is particularly nice to carry such a powerful package around without needing something with the form factor of a brick!!
Points to note:-
-Battery life imporves after several charges - I get 2 days out of mine comfortably
-I am on ROM 1.35 still and have no problems with lag EXCEPT....
-Memory leak (which happens even with TF3D off) can slow the device down after a few days without soft reset- this needs fixing.
-Opera seems to have an impact on speed once it has been run and then closed - deice actually freezes for about 5 seconds after closing opera (i.e screen is unresponsive to taps)
Anyone else see these issues?

I'm on ROM 1.35 too.
And i too have observed that the phone is generally fine.... until I run Opera. Could be it's not dealing with process clean up properly?

Opera: Yes, I'm experiencing the same thing...on every ROM. Opera seems to be "quitting" for about 5-7 seconds... Not sure why it needs sooo long and so much CPU cycles to terminate.

Does anyone with 1.37 have this opera problem?

adesonic said:
Does anyone with 1.37 have this opera problem?
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Yep before i flashed to the TLR rom i had that problem...the device after closing opera would take a few secs to close so that the phone was useable. Even with the TLR rom its still the same...not really an issue for me tho.

just upgrade your rom.. the memory leak was improved in 1.37...

Help! How to convince my frustrated sister new to PPC to stick with Diamond.

My sister recently got the O2 Ignito - her first ever Windows Mobile phone. Now I have been a Windows Mobile user for many years and love it because of all the apps out there and primarily the XDA community and its onging development.
Anyway, she is finding the phone so slow at times and it virtually stops to a crawl or freezes where she needs to reset. She is finding this increasingly frustrating and annoying that she says she is fed up with it and wants to return it. I told her to bear with it and it will take time to get used to a new OS and how it works. She knows about making sure to close apps so they dont run in the background. I know the long term benefits of Windows Mobile and this is why I want her to persist with the phone.
The thing is I don't know why the phone is slow. It has the latest O2 1.93 rom. I have applied and undid some of the touchflo speed tweaks to no avail or difference. The refresh rate of the icons appearing on the screen one by one is quite noticeable when you open the programs menu.
What can I do to speed up the phone and convince her to stick with it?
Thanks!

Cant say why your xda is slow, but it may still be a good idea to flash with the stock rom and get rid of O2's junk,
Surur

the o2 stock rom is actually pretty quick, so i don't see what the problem could be, has she installed lots of software etc? maybe a hard reset may be of help

Well she hasn't installed a lot of software. I have But what is the point of having a WM phone if you can't install stuff on it?
I have no idea why it slows down too.

Mine used to go super slow & almost stop after using the Youtube application. When I upgraded Adobe flash player to newest version for ppc, the lagging stopped. I have since removed the newest flash as the keypad kept popping up on websites that displayed a flash file & got annoying, but reverting to the old version didn't cause the lag to come back, so everything is fine now
After seeing an Iphone in action I think they seem to run a lot smoother & more user friendly, but then you can't install your own apps & extras so easy on them. Maybe an iphone would suit her better?
I like ppc because its easily customisable, if the iphone wasn't locked up to hell I probably would have gone for one of them instead.

this is my first windows phone (i have a 5yr old pda just for sat nav, which now i have a diamond seems fast when using start menu etc).
Although i do like my diamond, i am disappointed with its speed and generally how flakey a windows phone is. Its like going back to windows98.
I saw used a mates iphone before i got the diamond and though the nicer screen res and the smaller device would beat that hands down. but now i've used the iphone since it seems really nice and quick and flowing to use. but yeah u cant add as many apps

rscreen said:
this is my first windows phone (i have a 5yr old pda just for sat nav, which now i have a diamond seems fast when using start menu etc).
Although i do like my diamond, i am disappointed with its speed and generally how flakey a windows phone is. Its like going back to windows98.
I saw used a mates iphone before i got the diamond and though the nicer screen res and the smaller device would beat that hands down. but now i've used the iphone since it seems really nice and quick and flowing to use. but yeah u cant add as many apps
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that's all? can not add apps? lol! copy/paste, multitasking, 3G......see how many ppl are happy with their iphone:
http://www.ihatemyiphone.com/

Maybe if you installed an app that she likes... There are several games outhere, or maybe an app to watch TV over 3G or WiFi.
Did you try one of the themes out there? I made a purple-pink theme for my gf's Diamond and she loves it. Try something similar...

Actually I installed the pink girly theme and the red vodafone theme. She now prefers the black htc theme. Also I installed apps and games that she would like and find useful. She thinks by adding lots of apps it will slow the phone down but I tell he then what is the point of having 4 gigs of storage? Just for music? She tells me it gets extremely hot and lags a bit. It does. I played with it.
I hear some people disable touchflo for a speedier phone. Its a shame, its a lovely interface so why remove it?
Am confused. For example with SK Tools there are optimizations for performance, stability and memory. Initially I did it for performance. Now I changed it to stability. Surely all free are imposrtant so I don't know which to choose. Also in TF3d Config and Diamond tweak apps, do the optimizations really work? They say they speed up the phone but at the expense of memory. But if you then get low memory wont this lag the phone? So then what's the point of applying the tweaks if they use up memory.
Anyone advise the best tweaks to apply so the phone is not slow? I would hate for her to return it.
Thanks so much!

How do you deal with the Kaiser speed today ?

Hello,
I now own my Kaiser for about one year (or a little less). But I'm still not satisfied about the overall speed of the device. I'm not talking about reading videos or playing games, just about "normal" use of the Kaiser.
For exemple, opening the HTC phone application (dial pad) takes around 3 seconds. Then, if I dial a number quickly, it "forget" some buttons I pushed. I need to dial my number slowly for the phone to take each button I push ... This is very frustrating !
Another exemple is going to landscape mode which takes 4 seconds ! And when it is in landscape, my Kaiser is like freezed for about 2 other seconds before I can use it.
A 3rd exemple, when answering calls: my Kaiser rings, I press the green button to answer, but it takes around 2-3 seconds before it does really answer. In the mean time, I sometimes loose my call, and this is really frustrating again !
I know I'm only talking about seconds, but I use my Kaiser a lot in a day, and these seconds become minutes ! And when I need to use my Kaiser quickly, these seconds appear much longer than they really are.
My ROM is the original HTC 6.1 ROM. My Kaiser is as light as possible (no Manilla 2D !), but it does not seem to be enough for my Kaiser to be fast.
I tried some cooked ROMS, but from what I experienced the HTC 6.1 is the faster. I also tweaked my Kaiser with all the informations I could find on this great forum (and KaiserTweak)
I would really enjoy an overclocker utility but it does not exist.
So, about you, are you satisfied with your Kaiser speed ?
Isn't there days where you would throw it against a wall because of these anoying lags ?
Thanks !

If this damn thing eats another microSD card I AM going to throw it against the wall. I'm getting tired of loosing my crap and having to re-do everything.

what about the speed of your ka
iser : is it ok for you ?

No complaints about the "speedyness" of the tilt after flashing to a good ROM. If another one fails I'm sending it back and demanding an upgrade to a Fuze tho.

i haven't had mine for very long but I got a little over-excited in the first few weeks and installed anything i could get my hands on. i just did a hard reset, followed by a soft reset to remove the bloatware, and i've noticed that my phone is a lot faster.
your problems do sound infuriating, have you tried backing up your data and wiping the slate clean?

Dear,
Same problems as yours... Using same rom from HTC !
Very slow phone for each task i need
Boring phone when hang-up or dialing, boring when using tt6 and now tt7 (too slow when driving in little streets, and sometimes truncating voices messages), and more generally, very very slow (and i do not speak about camera).
Sure, this version is really a big bug
Comparing to other kind of phones, even cheaper models runs better (camera better and faster, gps fix faster, gps available even in flight mode.
Usually, when opening keyboard, applications hangs due to the screen rotation, and become available a long time after
Definitively, a real diseapointing device.
I'm now waiting for the renewal of my phone contract to change for something better (sure that is not difficult to find)
Regards,
Laurent

I highly recommend flashing a custom rom.
The rom chef's have done a fantastic job tweaking them to run much faster than the stock roms. Try on and you'll never look back.
I'm currently using the Nov 15'th Hyperdragon Rom and I have virtually no complaints about the speed of the rom for day to day activities. M2D runs very smoothly and is much more friendly to your fingers than any of the stock roms I've used.

aagil001 said:
i haven't had mine for very long but I got a little over-excited in the first few weeks and installed anything i could get my hands on. i just did a hard reset, followed by a soft reset to remove the bloatware, and i've noticed that my phone is a lot faster.
your problems do sound infuriating, have you tried backing up your data and wiping the slate clean?
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Thanks a lot ! i did the hard reset followed by the soft reset , then I restored my data : now my Kaiser goes faster ! thanks again !

I have the same issue, not that the kaiser is really slow, but when I compare it with a Wizard (both have custom roms) the Wizard does things a lot faster, like opening start menu, scrolling isn't laggy, change tabs is fast. No matter what rom I use on my kaiser, I can't get to the use speed of the Wizard. Maybe it is because I install programs on the SD instead of the phone itself?

Nothing to Compare to
I don't have anything to really compare to, but my Kaiser - Bloatware removed - seems to work well. My only real complaint is that ending a call with the touchscreen takes a few seconds, but the red end key ends it pretty quick. If there is a delay on some things, it is far outweighed by the functionality I feel I'm getting from my tilt. I use it as primary pc - email, web, movies, word, excel, etc..
I tell people it is a mini computer with a phone added on as an afterthought. That is why with comes with such a crappy phone interface. I downloaded a new skin and it looks and works excellent.
Will

wasilvers said:
I don't have anything to really compare to, but my Kaiser - Bloatware removed - seems to work well. My only real complaint is that ending a call with the touchscreen takes a few seconds, but the red end key ends it pretty quick. If there is a delay on some things, it is far outweighed by the functionality I feel I'm getting from my tilt. I use it as primary pc - email, web, movies, word, excel, etc..
I tell people it is a mini computer with a phone added on as an afterthought. That is why with comes with such a crappy phone interface. I downloaded a new skin and it looks and works excellent.
Will
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Call ending speed can be instant. Use Kaiser Tweak / Advanced Config tool to change this.

I noticed a marked improvement since I use some of the SKTools utilities like:
- Optimize! http://s-k-tools.com/index.html?sktools/m_feat.html
- FreeUP RAM Service http://s-k-tools.com/?m_freeuprams.html
- Registry optimization http://s-k-tools.com/?/sktools/m_regopt.html
It has many other features and you can download a trial. It's really worth a try.

dear all,
how can you say that the kaiser isnot slow ?
I use PIE to read this forum, this thread takes 30 to 40 sec to load for 470 kB, while it takes few seconds to dowload bigger files !
I only use pie,tt7 and outlook sync for contacts and appointments.
I also tested 3 roms and tried to tweak some settings, without getting a normal speed.
kaiser is definitively a slow computer with a phone.
basic phones are more responsives than kaiser on many bundled applications.
I do think that kaiser has a lake of something... Maybe some drivers are missing, because if you look at the internal chipset used inside the kaiser, it should very very more powerfull

Call ending speed can be instant. Use Kaiser Tweak / Advanced Config tool to change this.
Please enlighten me, because I hate this. I have to push the button multiples times to disconnect. I have SK Tools as well. It has many good features, unfortunately some of the things it recommends tweaking I have idea what those things are for. I need the cheat sheet for invalid registry entries and values.

I do experience what you describe and I've tried many different ROMs, right now I'm using Garmin.Dk 8 without Manila2d and all the "speed fixes" available.
It's just like that, it has Windows...
But on the other hand, I like that, because it makes it very customizable.
Depends on what you value most.

dizzy33 said:
Hello,
seconds. Then, if I dial a number quickly, it "forget" some buttons I pushed. I need to dial my number slowly for the phone to take each button I push ... This is very frustrating !Thanks !
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I had the same issue with dialing numbers. It pissed me off so much I bought an iPhone. I don't have issues with dialing numbers now. I really miss running custom ROMs though.
The iPhone has a lot of other issues, I put up with them because the web browsing experience is better and I can dial without loosing numbers. I wish HTC would get it together, they are very close... I tried a Sprint HTC Touch Pro for a couple of days and couldn't get used to the missing dpad.

moosic said:
I had the same issue with dialing numbers. It pissed me off so much I bought an iPhone. I don't have issues with dialing numbers now. I really miss running custom ROMs though.
The iPhone has a lot of other issues, I put up with them because the web browsing experience is better and I can dial without loosing numbers. I wish HTC would get it together, they are very close... I tried a Sprint HTC Touch Pro for a couple of days and couldn't get used to the missing dpad.
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And you just hang around the Kaiser forum with your iPhone 'cause you miss us?

dear Spaul,
Windows is not the problem... Other htc phones have Windows and are fast. i.e. TYTN I is faster !
Problem is software, maybe drivers or hardware layer

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And you just hang around the Kaiser forum with your iPhone 'cause you miss us?
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He has to keep up because he realizes the other 99% of the WM functionality is missing on his new phone and he'll want to come back.

Same thing here
Yeah I experience exactly the same things with mine. I'm not going out the custom ROM path, since it's a company phone. After having tried all sorts of things, I've kind of just accepted its slowness.
But one thing is for sure. After using first the s710, and the the tytn-ii, I'm 95% sure that my next phone is not going to be a HTC, unless I see some very convincing real life demo of the device.

7 days...

Ok, first of all I'm very pleased with and happy with the two LEO ROM variants I've used over the last few months (Thanks Itje and NRGZ28), but I noticed a strange thing happening.
After install, hard reset and adding cabs the ROM's run great, but over time their performance (in my opinion) begins to degrade, to a point where I hard reset, and all is well again for a while.
There's no critical error nothing that crashes the phone just a overall slowdown and creeping laggyness.
To me it smack's of something being cached, some finite resource (not RAM) that's not getting cleared?
Has anyone else noticed this, are there any documented suggested fixes for this? Or even a pointer on what / where to search as to date I've found no reason for this?
Richard

I completely agree with you, seems like if I actually use a ROM for a week or more it seems to get slower.
The joys of using Windows-based machines ^^
Even my desktop after a much longer period of time degrades until I reformat

Actually, I noticed this slowing down issue only with Leo ROMs. After 1-2 weeks, it begin to slow down and it actually use always more RAM than previous week...

7 days....great TV show

I noticed this phenomenon too. At first I thought is was due to a cab that I installed, but I dont think its that as now I install a small set of apps right after the initial install.
this is also why people say "wow this rom is as fast as hell much better than the last one" - its not, it simply feels fast because the old one has slowed down.
The big question is why does a soft reset not fix it? that suggests its not a caching thing or a memory leak?