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What is the best GPS software for Driving Directions?

What is the best GPS software for general driving directions? I have been using Odyssey Mobile... had numerous problems getting my AT&T 8525 to work with an esternal receiver with BlueTooth... finally gave up and bought an AT&T Tilt at the full upgrade price ust fore the built-in GPS... very expensive but one of the best purchases i made ina long time...
Anyway my question is, I cannot even find a well written review of all the GPS software out there for PPC's specifically for driving directions, comparing the features of the application for all the biggest players; Odyssey Mobile, Tom Tom, iGuidance, etc...
Does anyone know of any such review and where I can get my hands on it? I feel as though I am just 'stuck' with the Odyssey Mobile because I don't know any better... have spent hours and hours looking for any reviews comparing them....

KruseLudsMobile said:
What is the best GPS software for general driving directions? I have been using Odyssey Mobile... had numerous problems getting my AT&T 8525 to work with an esternal receiver with BlueTooth... finally gave up and bought an AT&T Tilt at the full upgrade price ust fore the built-in GPS... very expensive but one of the best purchases i made ina long time...
Anyway my question is, I cannot even find a well written review of all the GPS software out there for PPC's specifically for driving directions, comparing the features of the application for all the biggest players; Odyssey Mobile, Tom Tom, iGuidance, etc...
Does anyone know of any such review and where I can get my hands on it? I feel as though I am just 'stuck' with the Odyssey Mobile because I don't know any better... have spent hours and hours looking for any reviews comparing them....
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There are many you can try. Google Maps, Live Search with Speech input, and Yahoo Go all are free. Pick which one suits you. I use Wayfinder which is a pay but it has speech output for the directions as well as some other cool built in features. They all work with the internal GPS. I also use GPS test to prime my internal GPS when needed. Use google search or lurk around the kaiser newsgroups for info on GPS software.

Thanks but stil no reviews
Thanks for the information, but I still cannot find any reviews comparing them. I have looked allover the place. Note, you said this:
"I also use GPS test to prime my internal GPS when needed."
Why would this ever be needed and what does GPS Test do? I still would be eternally grateful if anyone could find a review comparing the major players out there (I heard that iGuidance has more POI's than TomTom in the US)...

KruseLudsMobile said:
Thanks for the information, but I still cannot find any reviews comparing them. I have looked allover the place. Note, you said this:
"I also use GPS test to prime my internal GPS when needed."
Why would this ever be needed and what does GPS Test do? I still would be eternally grateful if anyone could find a review comparing the major players out there (I heard that iGuidance has more POI's than TomTom in the US)...
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Once again there are many threads with these items mentioned scattered all over the Kaiser and Kaiser Upgrade forums. Did you do an actual search on xda? GPS test is used, as I actually commented in a thread, to help make it easier to use GPS software programs such as Live Search, Google Maps, Tom Tom etc. It is another version of Quick GPS but it is better becuase it has more nuances to it. Did you do a search on Google for GPStest? It has a very nice website.
The information you seek are in the threads you just have to look for it and do your own comparisons. No one knows what is best for you but you.

KruseLudsMobile said:
Thanks for the information, but I still cannot find any reviews comparing them. I have looked allover the place. Note, you said this:
"I also use GPS test to prime my internal GPS when needed."
Why would this ever be needed and what does GPS Test do? I still would be eternally grateful if anyone could find a review comparing the major players out there (I heard that iGuidance has more POI's than TomTom in the US)...
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The one which has reviews and was tested in USA is i-go, try this, I have the gpstuner software it is also a good software, but you need to do your own maping through google earth or google earth and recal. it.

KruseLudsMobile said:
What is the best GPS software for general driving directions? I have been using Odyssey Mobile... had numerous problems getting my AT&T 8525 to work with an esternal receiver with BlueTooth... finally gave up and bought an AT&T Tilt at the full upgrade price ust fore the built-in GPS... very expensive but one of the best purchases i made ina long time...
Anyway my question is, I cannot even find a well written review of all the GPS software out there for PPC's specifically for driving directions, comparing the features of the application for all the biggest players; Odyssey Mobile, Tom Tom, iGuidance, etc...
Does anyone know of any such review and where I can get my hands on it? I feel as though I am just 'stuck' with the Odyssey Mobile because I don't know any better... have spent hours and hours looking for any reviews comparing them....
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First, I am about to receive CoPilot Live 7 in few hours that came out last week on Wednesday I believe. I will let you know of my personal experience with it. However, the best place for any GPS hardware, software, etc question would be to go to GPSPassion.com where they have everything you need from reading reviews to adding addons to your navigation software.
Hope it helps!
- TKN

The Best GPS Software
Garmin Mobile XT is the best. It's just like the garmin interface on the one's you buy for your car. It's comes loaded on a 2gb micro sd card. I'm using a AT&T Tilt also. I paid the extra $25.00 for shipping so I had it within 3 days otherwise it might take up to 3 weeks to get.
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=11413

i-Go is pretty, i-Guidance is great for turn-by-turn with audio.
will check out the Garmin suggestion as well.

I still think Tom Tom is simple to use with quick response if you got it working. The only problem is the map, which I paid $250 for US and Canada CD from Tom Tom and it works great.
Google map or Live search is good and free.

atheus22 said:
Garmin Mobile XT is the best. It's just like the garmin interface on the one's you buy for your car. It's comes loaded on a 2gb micro sd card. I'm using a AT&T Tilt also. I paid the extra $25.00 for shipping so I had it within 3 days otherwise it might take up to 3 weeks to get.
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=11413
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Do you have to pay extra for their traffic updates?

Checked out some of the suggestions
So far Wayfinder 6 has the best upside. No sd card needed just set the cache and away you go. I am hoping they will allow the kaiser/Tilt to have the Wayfinder 7 update soon. I will take a look at I-Guidance tho. There is a 5 day trial for Wayfinder also.

Garmin ! Garmin is the best

Garmin Mobile uses old maps. I got rid of it and used iGuidance instead.

iGuidance maps incomplete too
powerppc said:
Garmin Mobile uses old maps. I got rid of it and used iGuidance instead.
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I have the new iGuidance v4 - its maps are far from perfect - a major I-25 freeway exit here in Denver is not recognized even though construction was completed more than 1 year ago! I emailed the company regarding this, and they essentially said "wait for next year's updated maps".

I have Garmin GPS units which all all very nice.
On the Tilt, I'm using TelNav which is also nice. It doesn't need any large memory area for map storage where the Garmin software does.
Drawback is you need to be within cell range to get the data (i.e. map, locations, best prices on gas (yes! Something Garmin lacks.), traffic info, route style, 2D or 3D maps, contacts from phone, etc.). They offer three versions: personal, business, and tracking services.
It's a bit cheaper to get it online from them rather than AT&T which is monthly. Online from TeleNav they give you 12 months for price of 10 (or used to be). They have a 30 day trial, but I decided I needed it quicker.

I like iGuidance a lot. I have a stand-alone Garmin and like it as well. Both companies use NavTec maps and rely on their updates for current map data. I'm not pleased with Garmin's current PPC software and won't buy it or anyone's that is locked to a specific memory card, that's BS. So I'm sticking with iGuidance for now. It's very stable on the kaiser, calls can be answered while navigating just be sure and use a BT headset to avoid juggling hardware on the road.

You can get a TMC receiver for a one off cost. After that it's free traffic info.

GPS Reviews
another good source for comparisons of gps software and hardware is PDA Essentials forum. They carry a periodical PDA Essentials and GPS Advisor which there forum is based on. It's worth a try for details on GPS questions.

I started playing around with CoPilot Live 7 yesterday. One of the reasons I bought this software is the free traffic updates you can get if you have internet access (GPRS/EDGE/WIFI) which I do.
- TKN

MQ Navigator?
Edit: nevermind, only for certain phones - not ppc

New TyTNII Owner, Some Questions...

Howdy, guys. First post here, hoping to lean on y'all for some help.
I'm new to the WM phone category, but have been using a mobile computer since the days of the HP200LX, then to a Philips Nino, Casio E100, HX4700 and now the TyTNII. My use is both personal and line-of-business as a highly mobile 'day trip' laptop replacement.
I already have a considerable investment in PPC software from WM5 (list below), but given this is going to be a constant travelling companion unlike my HX4700 which I'd leave behind often because of it's size, I'd like to replicate that utility on the new device.
Suffice to say I'm no stranger to PocketPC (or whatever MS is calling it these days), but I have a couple questions. Short and simple:
1) What's the difference between the TomTom 'Taster' version and the full version (V.6) shrinkwrap?
2) What usability software would you recommend? Looking for something to make the smaller screen easier to navigate. I currently own:
1-Calc (PPC and desktop)
Pocket Mechanic
Virtual Explorer
Ewallet
Flex Mail
Pocket Informant
ListPro (Pro)
SPB: (PocketPlus, Backup, Finance, Weather)
Calligrapher
PhatPad/PhatNotes
Tweaks2k2
NetFront
(Yes, they're all legitimate, purchased, licensed copies)
3) What ROM updates would you recommend? I've already flashed 6.1 off the HTC site, but find the machine hangs a bit from time to time. Though I tend to prefer my installs lean and mean, the utilities in the HTC unit are very nice, like the camera and wireless control panel to turn on and off the various radios.
Well, that's it for now. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

Howdy Bill,
BillTheCat said:
2) What usability software would you recommend? Looking for something to make the smaller screen easier to navigate. I currently own:
1-Calc (PPC and desktop)
Pocket Mechanic
Virtual Explorer
Ewallet
Flex Mail
Pocket Informant
ListPro (Pro)
SPB: (PocketPlus, Backup, Finance, Weather)
Calligrapher
PhatPad/PhatNotes
Tweaks2k2
NetFront
(Yes, they're all legitimate, purchased, licensed copies)
3) What ROM updates would you recommend? I've already flashed 6.1 off the HTC site, but find the machine hangs a bit from time to time. Though I tend to prefer my installs lean and mean, the utilities in the HTC unit are very nice, like the camera and wireless control panel to turn on and off the various radios.
Well, that's it for now. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
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That's quite a list you got there.
For easier navigation you might want to try
1) Ultimate Launch
2) SPB Mobile Shell (i see you have the other SPB softwares..)
3) WisBar Advance
You will find some good therads in XDA on all the softwares mentioned above.
3) What ROM updates would you recommend?
Since you already have the latest official ROM, you might want check out the cooked ROMS here.
Here's link that gives you good info on most available ROMS for the Kaiser.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=399510
Also, be sure to read all about Hard SPL before you try flashing a cooked ROM
Here's the link : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922

The Reaper said:
Since you already have the latest official ROM, you might want check out the cooked ROMS here.
Here's link that gives you good info on most available ROMS for the Kaiser.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=399510
Also, be sure to read all about Hard SPL before you try flashing a cooked ROM
Here's the link : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
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Thanks for the feedback. I confess as much as I like the idea of having a ROM with only what I want, it makes me a bit nervous. I've twaddled with re-flashing my RAZR in times past, and even used 'cooked' ROM versions on my HX4700, but neither of them were a $600+ phone. What is the risk on any of these procedures? Is it possible to brick the phone?

BillTheCat said:
Thanks for the feedback. I confess as much as I like the idea of having a ROM with only what I want, it makes me a bit nervous. I've twaddled with re-flashing my RAZR in times past, and even used 'cooked' ROM versions on my HX4700, but neither of them were a $600+ phone. What is the risk on any of these procedures? Is it possible to brick the phone?
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Only if you don't follow the instructions. Read, re-read and follow exactly and nothing should go wrong. There are some brilliant people (GSLEON3's are burning) on here who can help you if something untoward happens.
All of the information you could ever need is in the stickies and Wiki. If you get stuck with anything find the thread for it and ask.
There is even a process for Reverting back to the OEM SPL and ROM/Radio for a warranty return.
Ta
Dave

BillTheCat said:
Thanks for the feedback. I confess as much as I like the idea of having a ROM with only what I want, it makes me a bit nervous. I've twaddled with re-flashing my RAZR in times past, and even used 'cooked' ROM versions on my HX4700, but neither of them were a $600+ phone. What is the risk on any of these procedures? Is it possible to brick the phone?
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I used to have to get back to a computer to check email regularly - I did not realize how often this actually affected my day. With the TILT I no longer have THAT problem - I get emails and can respond to them easily and rapidly. I highly recommend the TILT for business people as it has definitely improved my ability to conduct business.
I recently went to a convention and needed internet access for a demonstration. The show (Seattle Convention Center) charges $800.00 for three days worth of internet access. I used internet sharing on my Tilt and at no charge did the demo. Priceless... (well - saved $800.00 right there)
Personally I have found that I do not need anything other than what is in my current ROM (see my signature) although I use TomTom for navigation when I go on client sites as I am directionally challenged and don't care for mapquest. I also use TRAVKME - nice program.
The TOMTOM taster version vs real version? The real version works - nuff said.
Can you brick your phone - come on guy - read some . You will see lots up here about people bricking their phone. I am a newbie myself and have now flashed three times with no problems - you will need to read a lot but it seems to work for lots of other people. Not reading enough will be your downfall.
Good luck,
Bill

whk said:
Can you brick your phone - come on guy - read some .
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Bill, no need to be condescending. I'm not lazy, just cautious. I have enough experience to know what I don't know, and to know that what I don't know can hurt me very much. There's been more than one buggy bootloader and cooked ROM in the history of Windows Mobile. Besides, there seems to be some controversy over HardSPL in terms of how it works. I'd like to hear some discussion on that.
I guess what it boils down to is figuring out what I do and don't want on the machine, and which ROM fits those needs. Because I have so much full-version 3rd party software, there's not much I really need in the ROM. For example, zip is handled by VirtualExplorer.
Still looking for a more crisp reply on the TomTom issue, though. I've read on another board (Extensis) that it's the same as the full version but limited to one small map. But I'd like to see that corroborated by at least one or two more people, or someone who has firsthand knowledge. The reason is simple economics. TomTom is charging $140 for the full version, but only $70 for a map. If I have the core application, that's a fairly attractive savings.
Thanks for the ideas. I'll poke around and see what works.

Tomtom taster only gives you one map, mostly just a city, the other version provides The entire country or more sometimes.

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Bill, no need to be condescending. ..snip.. Besides, there seems to be some controversy over HardSPL in terms of how it works. I'd like to hear some discussion on that.
I guess what it boils down to is figuring out what I do and don't want on the machine, ..snip..
Still looking for a more crisp reply on the TomTom issue, though. I've read on another board (Extensis) that it's the same as the full version but limited to one small map. But I'd like to see that corroborated by at least one or two more people, or someone who has firsthand knowledge. The reason is simple economics. TomTom is charging $140 for the full version, but only $70 for a map. If I have the core application, that's a fairly attractive savings.
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Sorry that you thought it was condescending... It was not meant to be. BUT - you asked if you can brick your phone and if you had read it would be OBVIOUS to you that you CAN brick your phone as there are many sad tales of those who did not read or had other issues.
There is NOT a lot of controversy on HARDSPL - please read the thread on that - you will find that a lot more is known about it now and there appears to be resolution - you need to know which HARDSPL to load for which ROM you are loading and you will be all set.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
The ROM choice is yours and you will have to play/read and try until you are happy. Opinions on ROMs will certainly vary. YOUR opinion will be the only one that you value.
The TEST VERSION will NOT work with full maps - you will need to purchase a full version if you want a TOMTOM that actually works. Not sure how to say that more clearly - if TOMTOM was stupid enough to give you a test version that worked the same as the full version why would ANYONE purchase the full version?
YES - there are HACKS out there that will allow you to circumvent their scheme to make you pay them money - but that is stealing and you would not do that would you? (One of your other posts I think made a great show of how all the software you had was legal and purchased - you would not want to start down a different road now would you?)
Bill

ChumleyEX said:
Tomtom taster only gives you one map, mostly just a city, the other version provides The entire country or more sometimes.
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Ok, but is the core code and feature set the same? Is the "tasting" referring only the map size? IOW, if I were to buy the full US map, does Taster+ENTIREUSMAP=TT6? Or would I be missing something?

whk said:
Sorry that you thought it was condescending...
There is NOT a lot of controversy on HARDSPL - please read the thread on that - you will find that a lot more is known about it now and there appears to be resolution - you need to know which HARDSPL to load for which ROM you are loading and you will be all set.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
The TEST VERSION will NOT work with full maps - you will need to purchase a full version if you want a TOMTOM that actually works. Not sure how to say that more clearly - if TOMTOM was stupid enough to give you a test version that worked the same as the full version why would ANYONE purchase the full version?
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No harm done. Just didn't sound quite right at first read.
I guess I just didn't get far enough along in that thread yet. There are more than just a few posts.
I think you may be mistaken on the TomTom issue. It's a 'tAster', not 'tEster' version. I think what they've done is to give the core program but charge for the map only. I'm on hold with TomTom as I type this and will get back to you guys once I have an answer from them, or if I don't get a clear answer from them, I'll contact HTC directly.
At the end of the day, I'm in a 'holding pattern' of sorts. I don't want to invest a huge amount of time installing and configuring software for the current ROM implementation only to have to do it all over again with a redacted version.

BillTheCat said:
No harm done. Just didn't sound quite right at first read.
I guess I just didn't get far enough along in that thread yet. There are more than just a few posts.
I think you may be mistaken on the TomTom issue. It's a 'tAster', not 'tEster' version. I think what they've done is to give the core program but charge for the map only. I'm on hold with TomTom as I type this and will get back to you guys once I have an answer from them, or if I don't get a clear answer from them, I'll contact HTC directly.
At the end of the day, I'm in a 'holding pattern' of sorts. I don't want to invest a huge amount of time installing and configuring software for the current ROM implementation only to have to do it all over again with a redacted version.
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Taster tester...toMAYto toMAto - Quite sure that I am NOT wrong and that you will want to get the NAV6 full version. but - no worries. I think that you will also find (as others have) that TOMTOM tech support and HTC support on this issue are as useful as a third navel (the first navel was useless...) If you can purchase the full maps and have them work with the TASTER version - not sure about that - but you are going to pay for the full version of the maps the same as if you purchased the full version of the software including the maps - I think anyway.
From what I have seen the AT&T stock ROM was pretty good - I actually liked it. I upgraded to the DEATH ROM because it was AT&T based and looked like it had some improvements that I thought I would like - version 4 I upgraded to last evening.
Personally - (I have not run any of Dutty's or other ROMs) the DEATH ROM rocks.
1. fast
2. stable
3. hesitations gone
4. fast switching
5. radio clear and flawless
6. bluetooth works a treat on three different sets that I use regularly
7. fast connection on GPS
8. using the 3.5 dialer (the version 4 dialer is sad in my opinion as I like large buttons) the phone is awesome
9. email works a treat
The only "bug" I have at the moment is the crazy screen going off on me when I am on a phone call - and the chef is looking at that.
My recommendation -
1. upgarde your current ROM to DEATH 4.1 and
2. purchase full version of NAV6 from TOMTOM.
Pretty sure you will be happy camper.
Bill

I am using the TomTom 'taster' version supplied with my Kaiser quite happily with a full version of UK & Ireland map with no problems

whk said:
Taster tester...toMAYto toMAto - Quite sure that I am NOT wrong and that you will want to get the NAV6 full version... TOMTOM tech support and HTC support on this issue are as useful as a third navel (the first navel was useless...)
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Wow. You're not kidding about support. On the phone now with a guy at HTC and he was insisting that GPS was a service provided by my carrier and became rather belligerent when I suggested he was mistaken. What an idjit. I disabused him of his notion and we're still delving into this. I asked him to please confer with one of his colleagues. Stay tuned. This is getting more interesting.

BillTheCat said:
Ok, but is the core code and feature set the same? Is the "tasting" referring only the map size? IOW, if I were to buy the full US map, does Taster+ENTIREUSMAP=TT6? Or would I be missing something?
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Well I didn't program it so I can't say if the core programing is the same but from what I've seen it's just the fact that you don't have all the maps.
Taster tester...toMAYto toMAto - Quite sure that I am NOT wrong and that you will want to get the NAV6 full version. but - no worries. I think that you will also find (as others have) that TOMTOM tech support and HTC support on this issue are as useful as a third navel (the first navel was useless...) If you can purchase the full maps and have them work with the TASTER version - not sure about that - but you are going to pay for the full version of the maps the same as if you purchased the full version of the software including the maps - I think anyway.
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How was your first Naval useless, didn't you get fed in your moms belly? I'm sure that was useful.

whk said:
Taster tester...toMAYto toMAto - Quite sure that I am NOT wrong and that you will want to get the NAV6 full version... Personally - (I have not run any of Dutty's or other ROMs) the DEATH ROM rocks.
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Bill (and everyone), I have an update on the TomTom issue and some followup questions.
After speaking with both TomTom and HTC, it seems I was right, "Taster"+USMAP=TT6. Yes, you get some utilities like PC based map loaders and managers on disc if you buy the shrinkwrap version, but they're also downloadable from TomTom directly. The program itself really is TT6, and I verified as much because I've seen and used TT6 on my HX4700 previously.
Now, on to ROM upgrades.
I read the thread on SPL and ROMs. My hair huts. First, permit me to clarify a base assumption that may be incorrect. Bear with me, because I'm thinking out loud here.
My understanding of the primary purpose of 'cooked' ROMs is that they're an opportunity to have redacted software set, meaning that a smaller ROM = smaller RAM footprint, leaving more space for storage and operating memory which should conceivably enhance performance. Another benefit is having patches or driver updates loaded on the unit that are better than the OEM version.
I guess the things that I could do without are these below, but I'd welcome discussion on the relative merits of each:
- Getting Started (A bit late for this now!)
- SMS Service (Wouldn't FlexMail do just as well?)
- Windows Live (Do you really need this?)
- Voice Speed Dial (MS Voice Command instead?)
- File Explorer & Zip (Both these are handled by Virtual Explorer)
- Windows Update (If it worked, would we be here?)
Because I have so much already invested in PPC software, I tend to think that I'm better off with a very minimalistic ROM version and install what I want. Or am I misunderstanding the concept in thinking that a smaller ROM will return greater storage/runspace for programs?
I guess what I'm getting at, is that if the above things that I'd remove don't consume any appreciable space, then can I not achieve better perfornamce with only an upgraded SPL?
Help a dumb ol' boy out, here.
<scratching head>
Thanks!

ChumleyEX said:
How was your first Naval useless, didn't you get fed in your moms belly? I'm sure that was useful.
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Naw - the UMBILICAL CORD was useful - the navel is totally useless - a SECOND one would be more so and a THIRD navel - well - 'nuff said!
Bill

BillTheCat said:
Bill (and everyone), I have an update on the TomTom issue and some followup questions.
After speaking with both TomTom and HTC, it seems I was right, "Taster"+USMAP=TT6. Yes, you get some utilities like PC based map loaders and managers on disc if you buy the shrinkwrap version, but they're also downloadable from TomTom directly. The program itself really is TT6, and I verified as much because I've seen and used TT6 on my HX4700 previously.
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So - to see if I understand -
The full package costs MORE THAN the taster plus the full maps?
Bill

whk said:
So - to see if I understand -
The full package costs MORE THAN the taster plus the full maps?
Bill
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Yes, because the 'taster' version is free, bundled with the phone. It's a common marketing strategy.
I'm sure you've seen it before with other software. Take the case of current PPC software - you get the trial version of 'x' backup program that limits you to 'y' meg of backup, but if you want the full version, just pay and get the registration code to unlock it. The code is the same, there's just a flag that limits it. In this case the limitation on function is simply the size of the map. With TomTom it's the MAP that's protected and requires an unlock code, not so much the program itself.
As I said, I've confirmed by installing the 'taster' version and using a sample map. Having used TomTom 6 on my HX4700 extensively I can tell you that there is nothing missing in this version here at all, except the size of the map. To obtain other maps, it looks like all one has to do is to (pay for and) download the map you need.

whk said:
Naw - the UMBILICAL CORD was useful - the navel is totally useless - a SECOND one would be more so and a THIRD navel - well - 'nuff said!
Bill
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dude that was the socket for the cord, if there was a second cord them maybe you would have gotten better food, etc etc.
This is a very worthless thread. lets argue about the taster, I already told you the dif about 6 posts ago.

Yes, because the 'taster' version is free, bundled with the phone. It's a common marketing strategy.
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It's a DEMO. Tom-Tom intends to sell you the working software if you like what you "taste" while using the demo. What is it that you don't understand regarding Tom-Tom, marketing strategies and how they apply to you?

gps nav

I tried searching but couldn't find an answer quite simply I'm looking for the best free gps/nav out there. It has to be free tho.

free?
Google Maps - this is the only FREE software, though to use it you must be a subscriber of a data plan.

Google Amaze GPS. It is free and is pretty good, with spoken directions.

Jessops said:
Google Maps - this is the only FREE software, though to use it you must be a subscriber of a data plan.
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Not entirely true. Google Maps is the best working "out of box" free navigation, but take a look at the navit thread.

mike99 said:
Google Amaze GPS. It is free and is pretty good, with spoken directions.
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Do you need a data connection to use this?

wingmanjd said:
Do you need a data connection to use this?
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amaze gps is great. but you do need a data plan.

As far as I'm concerned, these are the three best GPS solutions (best is first):
1) Tomtom
2) AmazeGPS
3) Google Maps
And luckily, only Tomtom is priced. AmazeGPS is free and Google Maps will come with most phones by default.

I swear I'm not navit's PR guy
8525Smart said:
As far as I'm concerned, these are the three best GPS solutions (best is first):
1) Tomtom
2) AmazeGPS
3) Google Maps
And luckily, only Tomtom is priced. AmazeGPS is free and Google Maps will come with most phones by default.
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I'm pretty sure that with a little work, navit could do the job just as nicely as TomTom. I just can't figure out the XML file config for the raphael. Once someone does that, I think it could easily replace anything else as primary usage.

wingmanjd said:
I'm pretty sure that with a little work, navit could do the job just as nicely as TomTom.
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*Looks up Navit*
Er, sorry, but I disagree.
On the other hand, it does look somewhat better than AmazeGPS/Google Maps, so yeah, Navit would probably be better for someone who needs a free GPS solution. The idea of editing an XML file to change settings, however, seems kind of ridiculous, but the developers did say that it is early and usability has been put off to the side, so I guess it can't be helped.

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*Looks up Navit*
Er, sorry, but I disagree.
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Meh...to each their own. I'm attempting to create a working XML file in that aforementioned forum thread, post #7.

i run TomTom on my Touch Pro. Its fantastic! takes up just under 1gb on the memory card and runs flawlessly. It also looks brilliant on the TP screen. just gorgeous.
SideNote: On a side note, i highly recommend something NOT requiring an internet connection. I was recently road-tripping through Wyoming on the way to Montana, and my sprint connection was dodgy at best. google maps would have been worthless. TomTom worked like a champ
just my 2 cents. Cheers!

Free GPS tracking app that works on android and iphone?

My fiancee is leaving for vacation in a few weeks and I wanted to get a gps tracking app in case her iphone should get lost or stolen. I would like one that works for android too so i could have one account for both our phones. I thought about google lattitude but i dont see that iphone gets that. Any ideas?

ukulele_ninja said:
My fiancee is leaving for vacation in a few weeks and I wanted to get a gps tracking app in case her iphone should get lost or stolen. I would like one that works for android too so i could have one account for both our phones. I thought about google lattitude but i dont see that iphone gets that. Any ideas?
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The only one that I know of for the iPhone that is a sure thing is mobileMe. $99 though, but it's for the year, plus it'll back up just about everything on the phone too, so if anything does happen to it, it'll be backed up.
As far as android, I was using lookout, it's free in the market. Simple web interface, and it too will back up a bunch of your info, as well as find your phone.

krakerx said:
The only one that I know of for the iPhone that is a sure thing is mobileMe. $99 though, but it's for the year, plus it'll back up just about everything on the phone too, so if anything does happen to it, it'll be backed up.
As far as android, I was using lookout, it's free in the market. Simple web interface, and it too will back up a bunch of your info, as well as find your phone.
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Ill check out mobileme for me, theres no way im paying $100 for the iphone program though. I just want something that you can pull up say, 'hey theres my phone' and be done.

While iOS4 finally allows location to run in the backgroud, I think it only allows pre-running location to run. Meaning the program would have to be started by her any time her phone resets, constantly be tracking the phone, and would wear out the battery super fast. I could be wrong on this, but I have never personally come across an app store program that could do this.
If your wifes phone is jailbroken, there are a few apps that do this in a much better way. Ilocalis is supposed to be one but I never got around to trying any of them when I had my iPhone. Hope this helps!

Suggest you to try Fameelee - Family Locator app. It works in background, highly accurate and drain 3% of the battery life only.
Give it a try and you will be addicted to it.

Fameelee said:
Suggest you to try Fameelee - Family Locator app. It works in background, highly accurate and drain 3% of the battery life only.
Give it a try and you will be addicted to it.
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Sorry but i couldn't find any app for iOS. This seems to be another nice app
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I found some apps
Labour Sync: This GPS tracker app eliminates the need for paper timesheets with automatic reports that can be customized and filtered by employee, job and time frame. You can see exactly how much time is being spent on a particular project.
+ Android
+ AppStore
+Apk file
Hubstaff: Time tracking and GPS verification
+ Android
+ AppStore
+ Apk file
Hope it will help.

[Q] Google Voice, Skype, GPS, etc. Apps?

Hi - I just purchased a HD7, have a Android phone (HD2) and Blackberry Bold, but wanted to know if there is anything working for wifi calling.
I know this does not have UMA, but wifi calling like Skype or Google Voice?
The marketplace in Windows 7 I don't like because I don't think I see a sort feature by like 'free' vs 'paid' , etc.
I don't see Skype, see some 3rd party Google Voice stuff with bad reviews and don't see Google Maps.
The TeleNav on the phone from T-mobile requires a monthly subscription which i don't want.
Anyone know apps/etc. that are out there that would suit what I'm looking for here.
Thanks

the best free app I've found for navigation is "xMaps". It's pretty clunky and seems to lack turn-by-turn navigation but at least it works as a basic map. There might be something better availble as far as paid apps go, but I never venture into the paid apps section becase I'm cheap
I hope the app selection gets better with time and that T-Mobile finally rolls out that damned NoDo update!
EDIT: Also, there is a way to sort the list between Free and Paid apps. When you've selected the category of apps you want and the list has been populated, swipe the screen to the left 3 times until you reach the "Free" section.

I've just got an Hd7, 16gb. At first i thought this looks good but is absolute rubbish after my HTC touch pro 2-- can't sync with my PC, can't have TomTom, can't have Google Maps, can't have Opera or Skyfire or Firefox, can't have BBC iPlayer, can't have PDF reader or Flashplayer. What's wrong with these people at Microsoft, don't they know how phones are used!???. BUT is IS a very good phone and very nice to use, has a great screen and plays videos well. I've found you can sync it rather awkwardly via windows live and skydrive. Why do they want to make life more difficult?

I believe the features you mention that are lacking are to come in future updates.
Remember... as far as OS goes, WP7 is just a baby learning to walk. I had to wait for flash on my Galaxy S from the froyo update and iPhone will NEVER have it so as far as those features go... hold your horses. Lol...
I love my android and I am really liking my hd7 as well for different reasons. Once the updates start to come you will be pleasently surprised I believe.
PS... you can sync the phone via PC through Zune. Download the software and follow the instructions...
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I've just got an Hd7, 16gb. At first i thought this looks good but is absolute rubbish after my HTC touch pro 2-- can't sync with my PC, can't have TomTom, can't have Google Maps, can't have Opera or Skyfire or Firefox, can't have BBC iPlayer, can't have PDF reader or Flashplayer. What's wrong with these people at Microsoft, don't they know how phones are used!???. BUT is IS a very good phone and very nice to use, has a great screen and plays videos well. I've found you can sync it rather awkwardly via windows live and skydrive. Why do they want to make life more difficult?
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yiannisthegreek said:
I believe the features you mention that are lacking are to come in future updates.
Remember... as far as OS goes, WP7 is just a baby learning to walk. I had to wait for flash on my Galaxy S from the froyo update and iPhone will NEVER have it so as far as those features go... hold your horses. Lol...
I love my android and I am really liking my hd7 as well for different reasons. Once the updates start to come you will be pleasently surprised I believe.
PS... you can sync the phone via PC through Zune. Download the software and follow the instructions...
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Not if your on a Mac like me. Good thing I also own a PC but this HD7 still sucks ass! Good thing I still own all my Android phones tho. The only time this phone comes out my pocket now is if I wanna watch NetFlix. Other than that my SIM card will be in one of my Android phones getting me thru the day.

you can also sync on a mac look on mac appstore for Windows Phone 7 Connector.

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you can also sync on a mac look on mac appstore for Windows Phone 7 Connector.
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Thanks..just downloaded it.

Well... I hope that once the updates start rolling out that u will have a better experience . I kept my Galaxy S for the sake of being able to customize it and stuff and I got the hd7 for its simplicity and class. I think that this will be one of thebest devices ever once ms starts to roll out the updates and if the hd2 is any indication... I think this will be the next HTC superphone once the devs start working their magic.
Just my 2 pennies...
julez456 said:
Not if your on a Mac like me. Good thing I also own a PC but this HD7 still sucks ass! Good thing I still own all my Android phones tho. The only time this phone comes out my pocket now is if I wanna watch NetFlix. Other than that my SIM card will be in one of my Android phones getting me thru the day.
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Thanks for that. I can live without some of the previous stuff but I need TomTom also I need a program like WMwifirouter for this OS. I've been using my TP2 connecting my laptop wirelessly to the Net when away for over a year now and it's a great little program. Anyone know a way with an HD7 to use it as a modem?

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Well... I hope that once the updates start rolling out that u will have a better experience . I kept my Galaxy S for the sake of being able to customize it and stuff and I got the hd7 for its simplicity and class. I think that this will be one of thebest devices ever once ms starts to roll out the updates and if the hd2 is any indication... I think this will be the next HTC superphone once the devs start working their magic.
Just my 2 pennies...
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I hope your right. I don't plan on getting rid of mine but right now it's not getting used much.

trapperjem said:
I've just got an Hd7, 16gb. At first i thought this looks good but is absolute rubbish after my HTC touch pro 2-- can't sync with my PC, can't have TomTom, can't have Google Maps, can't have Opera or Skyfire or Firefox, can't have BBC iPlayer, can't have PDF reader or Flashplayer. What's wrong with these people at Microsoft, don't they know how phones are used!???. BUT is IS a very good phone and very nice to use, has a great screen and plays videos well. I've found you can sync it rather awkwardly via windows live and skydrive. Why do they want to make life more difficult?
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90% of the things you list are third party applications. It isn't that WP7 CAN'T have them, it's just that at less than 6 months old, it DOESN'T have them... yet.
Did you actually LOOK for Adobe Reader? Cause it's there in the marketplace and has been forever.

jimbonics said:
90% of the things you list are third party applications. It isn't that WP7 CAN'T have them, it's just that at less than 6 months old, it DOESN'T have them... yet.
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I like your optimism but the facts are a bit more complex than that; the marketplace is available only in 20 countries (roughly 10% of the total) and this is a very serious issue.
Take iGO 8 for instance, it was developed by the Hungarians, do you honestly believe they will commit resources to port their brilliant software to a platform not even available in their native country?
I want to have a state of the art OS but WP7 is so crippled that is no match for the competition.
I still hope for a better future for my HD7 but when? When?