I encounter a problem when i wan to select different input method. It's so slow to show the menu after i tick the arrow, it's about 5-7 second before it shows up the menu. How to speed it up?
I really do not have an explanation for this but it was like you said 5 - 6 seconds slow my HTC Touch as well.
The other day I wanted to try out a program so I did a complete backup with SPB Backup. After trying out the program I did a hard reset and restored using SPB Backup. Since then the selection has speeded up and now it takes hardly 1 second for the selection list to appear after I have pressed the small triangle on the right side of the SIP icon.
Before I did the backup I also had Cootek's TouchPal installed on my system which was obviously restored as well.
The above is just an observation for which I do not have an explanation. Ideally the SPB Backup should have restored my system to an exact similar state that it was prior to the backup which means that the selection should have continued to remain slow.
Regards
You can try:
Export the registry - CSID and import it again,
using Resco registry
A Few things I recommend
The first would be install omapclock if you don't have something like it already. A setting between 240 - 264 puts most devices safely on crank....
Monitor that along with open running programs. If you have a lot opened but minimized, that will cause the processor to have to free up before it will cycle through the menu selections on the keyboard. You can use oxias memory program called "OxiasMemory". It is a cab file and you can google this site or that name and immediately get a hit. Two programs in the download. One is a kill all running programs which I use rarely, the other is a memory release that will actually dump the ROM cache for programs you have closed out, not just minimized. Remember, windows mobile keeps a small cache open that normally closes out after a long time(hours) of not using a program even if you completely killed the task or you would have to reboot to get it. This program handles it without the reboot.
Use "Sipchanger"(you can search this site or google it). It is a small program, I want to say about 15-20k, that will overide the SIP on your device and run your SIP. Once installed don't forget to reboot and then you can find it under your programs tab.
Anytime you get issues like these they are due to slow performance of the processor. Usually getting bogged down with other more important and more frequantly used apps. Freeing up that processor to do work by offloading the ROM seems to do the trick.
Happy using!!!!!!!!!
Curious George
The black/scrambled icons are caused by a bug in TF3D that affects the icons when first loading them into memory. If they are rendered before TF3D loads, they render fine. So, depending on how often you reset your device, this may be a workable workaround for some of you. I have found that if you run an app in your startup folder (I run Salling Clicker, but I doubt that it matters what app), then the application will launch on Windows Startup and you won't be taken to the Today screen, meaning the TF3D app won't launch. Before going to the Today screen (and thus launch TF3D), first go to your Programs folder (Start - Programs), and be sure to click on any sub-folders, just to make sure you load all icons. Then you can go to your Today screen, let TF3D load, and your icons will all look fine until your next reboot. It isn't perfect, but it is a quick and dirty workaround that does seem to work - for me anyway.
yea, another way is also to switch off Touch FLo 3D from your today items. Soft reset, Load all icons, switch on Touch Flo 3D.
I guess it is a timing thing. For me, it is faster to just go to Start-Programs, as I want Salling Clicker to run on startup all the time anyway. It would be a waste of time to turn of TF3D every time I reboot...
I am a pharmacist so....
I just load my favorite pharmacy program and your right they do work - but I organize all my icons...I have games, medical, pharmacy, system and utilites folders where I keep all my icons....the funny thing is I have to actually start the diamond with the pharmacy program in the startup folder then I have to actually open all folders and look at the perfect icons then I can start tf3d and all is good.....
BUT if I do not open every folder and I do have sub folders then the icons are all screwed up again....what i am saying if i just startup regularly and the pharmacy progy starts then I close the program and tf3d starts up if I did not open the folders and actually see the icons are normal they will still be screwed up....go f))king figure this one out.....
I have ceased development of this project because I don't use TouchFlo 3D anymore. All source code is available. If anybody wants to take over the CodePlex project, just PM me and it's yours for the taking!
Overview
TouchFlo Detacher is yet another way to simultaneously have TouchFlo 3D / 2D and the regular Today screen. Previous excellent solutions include SecondToday and ManilaControl.
CodePlex
TFD development is hosted at Microsoft CodePlex! http://www.codeplex.com/TFDetacher
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Description
So what makes mine different? Well, my app is actually very similar to MastSogo's ManilaControl. The main difference is that I plan to actively develop it now for a while, whereas ManilaControl has been a bit frozen in development for a few months. Mine is also open source, licensed under the Ms-RL. Mine is on CodePlex, so download speeds should be much better than the average rapidshare link. Finally, mine is in English and not Spanish. Other than that, it's just another solution for the same problem!
I must give a hearty thank you and bow to MastSogo for inspiring me to work on this.
I believe I am using a similar technical solution to his, but mine is written from the ground up, so it shares no source code with his!
See it in action on the YouTubes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk0xWm8PMGQ
Current features
- Free up your Today screen by hosting Manila outside of the Today screen! TouchFlo Detacher can launch/show/hide/close Manila independent of any other Today screen settings. Now you can have your TouchFlo cake and eat it too! The most obvious use is to assign a soft key to toggle between seeing TouchFlo and seeing the regular Today screen.
- Supports TouchFlo 3D and TouchFlo 2D.
- NO ANNOYING SPLASH SCREEN when application launches.
- Configuration application allows advanced customizations so that this utility can be used with non-standard or untested Manila versions.
- Configuration application can clean out the ManilaActivateToday.exe from the notification queue. (That app can interefere with TouchFlo Detacher's operation.)
- Shortcuts to start/show Manila, hide Manila, toggle (show/hide) Manila, and close Manila. These can be assigned to hardware buttons (if your device has them), to virtual hardware buttons through the use of 3rd party applications such as AE Button Plus, or to gestures using 3rd party applications such as FTouchSL.
- Configuration application can customize the softkeys in both Today and TouchFlo's Home tab. You can use it to not only assign TouchFlo Detacher operations (show/hide/close), but any other application on your device.
- Launch an application after TouchFlo launches... Such as SSMaHo. It's easy. Create an attach link in SSMaHo. Put the attach link in the config: \Windows\Start Menu\Programs\SSMaHo Attach.lnk
Known Issues
- On the Touch HD, the home hardware button does not return to the Manila "home" tab. This does not happen on the Pro or Diamond. Workaround: none. Scheduled fix: unknown.
- Sometimes the clock on the TouchFlo home page will stop and go out of sync with the real time. Workaround: hide and then show manila. I may need to create a scheduled task that can do that as an automatic workaround once per day for those experiencing the problem. Scheduled fix: unknown.
History
1.0.1.1 STABLE FINAL - Fixed bugs in 1.0.1.0; Added ability to launch an app after TouhcFlo launches.
1.0.1.0 BETA - The first version of TFD that no longer requires a pseudo-service. All functionality should be identical to 1.0.0.5, otherwise.
1.0.0.5 STABLE - The "hide then show" workaround wasn't working in some instances, so I put extra detection code in to determine the current state of Manila before issuing the hide/show commands. If this doesn't work, I can add customizable delays. Also added AppToDate support!
1.0.0.4 STABLE - First release I am considering stable! It is identical to the very tested 1.0.0.3 except for one new feature. When you start the TFDService you can now optionally have it hide and then show Manila immediately. It does this VERY quickly, so you may not even notice it happening on screen. This is done so as a workaround some users are having where they cannot access the phone until Manila is hidden at least one time. Very odd behavior. It is working perfectly in my tests, but please let me know if this workaround doesn't work for you.
1.0.0.3 Beta - TF2D support I think is finally complete! Please test! New layout for TFDConfig. Standard and advanced options are now in separate tabs. More advanced options for alternate Manila configurations. Fixed bug in config where a crash could happen when you tried removing ActivateManilaToday. Toggle TouchFlo command is now available (note: this toggles show/hide, NOT show/close).
1.0.0.2 Beta - New language-neutral detection of Manila process and window handles (no longer need to know titles!). Fixed (hopefully) bug where the softkeys sometimes didn't hide correctly. Window class "search" is no longer case sensitive. Optional delay when starting Manila at system start-up (attempting to work around issue where Manila won't launch on startup).
1.0.0.1 Beta - Confg app can now start the service. The service has better error reporting. Config app can remove TouchFlo today item. No need to soft reset! TouchFlo 2D support (maybe - I'm trying!). Some crappy icons ;-) ... Service detects if TouchFlo Today item is enabled. Link to start and stop the service. Fixed installer bugs. Bug fixes!
1.0.0.0 Beta (aka BETA1) - Initial release
Download
CAB Installer: http://www.codeplex.com/TFDetacher/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx
Source Code: http://www.codeplex.com/TFDetacher/SourceControl/ListDownloadableCommits.aspx
Installation
As explained on CodePlex...
1. Install the CAB
2. Run TFDConfig (important!!!)
3. Enable all the standard Today Items you want to use
4. Do not re-enable TouchFlo in the Today items (if you do, it will undo all your other Today plugins and your device might freeze up, requiring a soft reset)
Requirements
Windows Mobile 6.1
.Net Compact Framework 2.0
A device that runs TouchFlo3D (Manila) or TouchFlo2D (Manila2D).
FAQ
FAQ
Q: I uninstalled TouchFlo Detacher but TouchFlo did not come back!
A: Changes made with TFDConfig will not automatically be undone when you uninstall TouchFlo Detacher. To get TouchFlo back, go into your phone's settings. Go into Today. Go to the "items" tab. Check in "TouchFlo 3D" (or 2D or whatever). Exit. TouchFlo will be back.
Q: I uninstalled TouchFlo Detacher but my softkeys did not go back to the way they were before!
A: Changes made with TFDConfig will not automatically be undone when you uninstall TouchFlo Detacher. Do not worry! Fixing this is very simple. Before uninstalling TFD, it's recommended you run TFDConfig one more time and reassign the softkeys to whatever you want them to be. For TouchFlo's softkeys, all you have to do is set them both to empty (as in, nothing) to get the default softkeys (phone/programs). For Today's softkeys, you can assign them to whatever you want -- calendar, phone, contacts, your choice!
If you have already uninstalled TFD, you will need to use a registry editor to reset the values. Here are the relevant keys:
Today left softkey:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Today\Keys\112
[Default] = Text on softkey
Open = Path to program to run
Today right softkey:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Today\Keys\113
[Default] = Text on softkey
Open = Path to program to run
TouchFlo 3D left softkey:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\Manila
HomeLSKText = Text on softkey
HomeLSKPath = Path to program to run (or blank for default)
TouchFlo 3D right softkey:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\Manila
HomeRSKText = Text on softkey
HomeRSKPath = Path to program to run (or blank for default)
TouchFlo 2D left softkey:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\Manila2D\Home
SK1 = Text on softkey
SK1Cmd = Path to program to run (or blank for default)
TouchFlo 2D right softkey:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\Manila2D\Home
SK2 = Text on softkey
SK2Cmd = Path to program to run (or blank for default)
Hi,
Is this a Manila3D only switcher or will it also work with Manila2D? I have been using Mastsogo's until now, but the lack of support is a bit worrying.
motisu said:
Hi,
Is this a Manila3D only switcher or will it also work with Manila2D? I have been using Mastsogo's until now, but the lack of support is a bit worrying.
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It may work with TF2D, I just have no way to test it since my device is TF3D. In the config, you can specify the location of the Manila EXE and the window class/titles. I'm assuming since MastSogo's did both, it's just a matter of tweaking those settings. As soon as somebody gets me that info, I can add it into the config app.
Installed on a Wizard (WM6.1 5.2.20273) running Manilla2D, set Today screen to use TodayAgenda 1.5 only. After soft reset, I get a Win32Exception with the following debugging information (see attached).
I'm checking the launch parameters in the config now (I started with the defaults).
Sheesh, I should have checked the parameters before going to the work of assembling that debugging jpeg. For Manila2D, the two references to Manila.exe need to be changed to Manila2D.exe. I still don't have it working, but at least it only throws one error message now.
I don't have any more testing time today. Good luck with your app.
thx1200 said:
It may work with TF2D, I just have no way to test it since my device is TF3D. In the config, you can specify the location of the Manila EXE and the window class/titles. I'm assuming since MastSogo's did both, it's just a matter of tweaking those settings. As soon as somebody gets me that info, I can add it into the config app.
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As Uracil said, the name of the executable for TF2D is Manila2D. That's why Manila control needs a config program. It asked which one you are using and sets the parameter accordingly.
Fantastic. Loaded this onto my AT&T Stock, fully bloated Fuze. Works like a champ! Great app, thanks!
I will try this for sure!
TWO THINGS!
1) anybody knows a safe way to uninstall Manila Control?
2) I am a bit affraid of this "resident" thing... this program (TFD let's call it) uses one of the very scarce 32 processes? if YES sorry it's not for me (I am already dangerously close to the limit - up to the point that some sync processes don't have where to run)
nice app! well done
Ran through the steps to set it up, on soft reset the device hangs at the startup HTC animation, Hard reset time , the manila im using has the following mods:
CFC Compression
Background 4 all tabs (mun rus)
Stocks tab
HD contacts
Will investigate further..
EDIT: Havent been able to replicate this issue after a hard reset, probably something else i installed.
Minor issue ive spotted though, set left softkey in TF3D to "Today" which hides TF3D....in the blank today screen i dont see the setting for the left softkey (Which is set to "TouchFlo 3D" and should show TF3D) i still see the softkey setting from when TF3D is visible. So the effect is i cant get back to TF3D after hiding it unless i literally run it from the start menu.
NLS said:
I will try this for sure!
TWO THINGS!
1) anybody knows a safe way to uninstall Manila Control?
2) I am a bit affraid of this "resident" thing... this program (TFD let's call it) uses one of the very scarce 32 processes? if YES sorry it's not for me (I am already dangerously close to the limit - up to the point that some sync processes don't have where to run)
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WM 6.x and newer raised the process limit to 32768, so you should be fine.
EDIT: I was wrong! Don't believe me! Keep reading below. (The short of it: WM6 is based on CE 5.0, NOT CE 6.0, which is the version of CE that doesn't have the 32 process limit.)
Uracil said:
Sheesh, I should have checked the parameters before going to the work of assembling that debugging jpeg. For Manila2D, the two references to Manila.exe need to be changed to Manila2D.exe. I still don't have it working, but at least it only throws one error message now.
I don't have any more testing time today. Good luck with your app.
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The exception you showed is the service not finding the EXE. There are two places you need to change it. The "EXE Only" config is just the name of the EXE (for finding it in the running process list). The "full path" is where the file is located in the file system (including the EXE name!). Did you change both?
Thanks for the info. I'm going to make that "file not found" error more friendly for beta2. Also, now that I know what I'm looking for, I can add a built-in way to switch from Manila3D to Manila2D.
mrvanx said:
Ran through the steps to set it up, on soft reset the device hangs at the startup HTC animation, Hard reset time , the manila im using has the following mods:
CFC Compression
Background 4 all tabs (mun rus)
Stocks tab
HD contacts
Will investigate further..
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Does it get to the Today screen at all? The service is in the Startup folder. All it does is try to Launch manila.exe at startup (you can actually even disable that if you want to in the config), so it would be really weird if that froze the device. Not saying it's not possible, just really really weird!
thx1200 said:
Does it get to the Today screen at all? The service is in the Startup folder. All it does is try to Launch manila.exe at startup (you can actually even disable that if you want to in the config), so it would be really weird if that froze the device. Not saying it's not possible, just really really weird!
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See my edit above
thx1200 said:
WM 6.x and newer raised the process limit to 32768, so you should be fine.
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No man you are wrong (100%).
In *my* WM6.1 at least, the limit is 32. Well in fact all WM6.1.
Only new WinCE (not the builds used in WM6.X) have lifted this limit.
WM7 is supposed to not have this limit (because uses different WinCE) and a very small possibility (like 5%) that WM6.5 will have this limit lifted.
With the help of Daniel Herrero (the guy that makes CommManagerPro) we even built a simple app that we run as much as we could, to test this.
Sure enough my device after 4-5 runs started killing other apps. After 1-2 more runs, I got a pop-up that said that I cannot run more apps because I reached the process limit. My device is a loaded Touch Pro.
His much lighter X1, sure enough came to the same result, but only after more runs, about 10 or something (since he had more process "slots" free).
So you probably have to (and please do) rethink your strategy (for example use a REAL service or handle things based on triggers) as processes ARE a scarce commodity in WM.
At least add a mode or something that doesn't use a process all the time (even with some extra delay). I will certainly NOT eat more of my processes.
I installed this on my Touch HD... ran config but chaned nothing, disabled TF3d and soft reset... now don't know what to do... seem to be missing a step... for example how to toggle between Today and TF3d... running hide and close tf3d in the utilities folderdoes nothing
NLS said:
No man you are wrong (100%).
In *my* WM6.1 at least, the limit is 32. Well in fact all WM6.1.
Only new WinCE (not the builds used in WM6.X) have lifted this limit.
WM7 is supposed to not have this limit (because uses different WinCE) and a very small possibility (like 5%) that WM6.5 will have this limit lifted.
With the help of Daniel Herrero (the guy that makes CommManagerPro) we even built a simple app that we run as much as we could, to test this.
Sure enough my device after 4-5 runs started killing other apps. After 1-2 more runs, I got a pop-up that said that I cannot run more apps because I reached the process limit. My device is a loaded Touch Pro.
His much lighter X1, sure enough came to the same result, but only after more runs, about 10 or something (since he had more process "slots" free).
So you probably have to (and please do) rethink your strategy (for example use a REAL service or handle things based on triggers) as processes ARE a scarce commodity in WM.
At least add a mode or something that doesn't use a process all the time (even with some extra delay). I will certainly NOT eat more of my processes.
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You are right. I was going on what I read on another website from a while back. I just did some research and, sure enough, WM6 is based on CE 5, which has the 32 process, 32MB limit still in place.
The strategy I am using will not change as there is no way (that I know of) to write a service DLL in the Compact Framework, but if somebody knows of a way, I will certainly look into it.
EDIT: I did a check and I'm only running 24 processes with my media app, Total Commander, TFD, 3 other "service" apps (dont forget, PocketShield, VistaHide Battery Bar). That leaves me with 6 more apps until WM6 gets nervous (it seems to close after going above 30). How are you so close? I'm not judging your mobile computing habits, I'm just curious! Also, I'm thinking of rolling the "service" code into stand alone EXEs for cases like yours, but it will be very slow switching back and forth. I tested that at first before deciding on the memory resident app and it took about 5 seconds to switch each time. But maybe you'll have better luck!
abeery said:
I installed this on my Touch HD... ran config but chaned nothing, disabled TF3d and soft reset... now don't know what to do... seem to be missing a step... for example how to toggle between Today and TF3d... running hide and close tf3d in the utilities folderdoes nothing
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It's possble the HD may have a slightly different Manila configuration than the Diamond/Pro. If you find the manila.exe and can scan the window classes and titles (such as with FDCsoft's Task manager) that will give you the info you need to configure it for the HD. If you figure it out, post it here so I can add it to the config app.
mrvanx said:
EDIT: Havent been able to replicate this issue after a hard reset, probably something else i installed.
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GOOD! Whew!
mrvanx said:
Minor issue ive spotted though, set left softkey in TF3D to "Today" which hides TF3D....in the blank today screen i dont see the setting for the left softkey (Which is set to "TouchFlo 3D" and should show TF3D) i still see the softkey setting from when TF3D is visible. So the effect is i cant get back to TF3D after hiding it unless i literally run it from the start menu.
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Let me see if I am understanding you. The left soft key on the "real" Today screen says "TouchFlo" but it isn't launching TouchFlo? If you go into the configuration and set the Today left soft key using my quick drop down (Show TouchFlo 3D) this doesn't fix the issue? If so, can you post what the app path is that it is showing?
Hello to all. Sorry for my noobitity that will follow
On the screen of Raphael, on the upper right corner there is an arrow pointing down. There when i press it it says a number%, which i assume is the memory used. Now i want a program so when i free up memory that number will go down. Cause i have from SKTOOLS, Free Up Memory, though when i free the memory that number doesn't change at all. So i don't know if it works or not.
(usually it's 53%)
Sorry if i have posted in the wrong section.
Well, you've got a few choices. You can kill processes with a task manager (like dotFred's Task Manager) to free up some memory. Killing cprog.exe will save ~10 MB of ram, but then again, you won't be making phone calls again until you do a soft reset (not bad on an airplane, though). You can only do so much by killing processes. You can turn off Touchflo 3D in Setting-Today. This will save you maybe 6-8% of RAM usage. But, you'll have to live with the Today screen and not TF3D (or, check out Touchflo Detacher in this forum, it works real well). You can remove your bloatware by doing a hard reset and skipping customization. This will save a decent amount of RAM. Finally, you can flash a custom ROM. Most custom ROMs run at ~30-35% RAM usage with TF3D running.
You might look up cleanRAM in the Diamond themes forum. It works better than any other memory aid I've tried (SKTools and Clear Temp).
I'm sorry, I forgot to mention, i have a custom ROM (it's Romeos 1.95.4 by monx). Tough with his previous versions i was at 35%, now i am higher, without changing my installed programs. The issue is that even when i was at 35%,, after using programs it went up to 45% and then when i used free up ram it still said 45%, instead of 35%.
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I'm sorry, I forgot to mention, i have a custom ROM (it's Romeos 1.95.4 by monx). Tough with his previous versions i was at 35%, now i am higher, without changing my installed programs. The issue is that even when i was at 35%,, after using programs it went up to 45% and then when i used free up ram it still said 45%, instead of 35%.
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It sounds like you're minimizing and not killing programs when you close them. Change it so that hitting X kills programs under Settings-Button on the task manager (hit the quick menu arrow and then the wrench icon). And give cleanRAM a shot. It has a very nice custom list that allows you to kill processes that don't stop all the time, like active sync, pword, HTCAlbum.exe and Quickqps.exe. It clears up a lot of memory quickly and reliably. You don't need to soft reset very much when you use it.
Dear Farmer_Ted i have the X to close the programs already. I have also installed the cleanram. Active sync is not running on processes under a name like active_sync or wcescomm (unless it has another name) but i see it in the tasks tab. How can that be possible? not running as a process and running at tasks tab (all tab reffering to task manager)?
After running cleanram i have in use 98MB of Ram.. Is this a good number?
Well, in the processes active sync is called repllog, or something like that. It doesn't take up all that much memory, anyway (maybe 300 KB).
Does that ROM have TP2 manila? That may be your issue. It uses a ton of memory. There's not a whole lot you can do about it.
Yes its repplog you are correct...I can understand though, i've used EliasSyncKiller and SKtools,Notifications Tools, to disable repplog, but it still runs...hm...
Anyway yes the Rom prolly is "heavy..Even a clean install in the best pagepool gave a 38% (tired 0,4,8,12)
Thanks for your help though Farmer_Ted. Btw could you give me a link of a rom ur using/suggesting that is fast loading windows/uses little memory/runs programs fast/stable