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Who is haykuro?

Hei there, i'm a ****ing man who has an android website..
Yesterday i had a very nice conversation with haykuro. I wanted to suggest him to not be so bad with other developers writing publically that everything belong from haykuro..
After other sentences the conversation gone ahead and i discovered that haykuro thinks to be the best developers here ( I think jf is the best ) , even when i tried to explain that i made some roms and i know people sometimes is frustrating he remarked me that he is ahead of everything and withouth him i could not post every rom.. ( this is not true because i released dream roms for italian users learning from JF )
Haykuro released publically some logs withouth explicit authorization, so i did (with his authorization) and i would like to share it with you all..
Link here: http://www.androidiani.com/news/androidiani-presents-haykuro-2999

....Wrong section? Should this even be in Dream?!

alritewhadeva probably there is no section ok for this topic ...
But as haykuro is an android developer , i think that this section will match more than others.

The internet is serious business.

What is the point of this thread? I think that Haykuro has made a great deal of effort to contribute to this community and should be rightfully acknowledged.

Okay then. Maybe you should stop bashing him...He's done so much and yes he has a high ego. Too high for his good I agree, but after all he's done? I agree JF is better than him. Without Haykuro we wouldn't have the Magic Rooted or the Rogers Dream rooted...we wouldn't have gotten an early taste of hero. The kid has done so much and he just asks for a little credit. Lots of people on this forum are not giving credit where credit is due and it's completely understandable why he doesn't like the XDA forums and why he's asking for credit. He's a good guy.

Actually, it's not.
In fact, I don't think any section "will match more than others".
*off to look for the "I have to pick petty internet fights to compensate for the fact that I'm a guy named Andrea" section on XDA*

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I shouldn't even feed into this. But before its locked... let haykuro have his ego. At 17 look what hels provided the community with. And even after he "left" xda he still made major accomplishments. Your poking him with a stick and wondering why he's not being nice. Let the man work.

Quick! Someone repossess his android device!!
- in before the lock.

alritewhadeva said:
Okay then. Maybe you should stop bashing him...He's done so much and yes he has a high ego. Too high for his good I agree, but after all he's done? I agree JF is better than him. Without Haykuro we wouldn't have the Magic Rooted or the Rogers Dream rooted...we wouldn't have gotten an early taste of hero. The kid has done so much and he just asks for a little credit. Lots of people on this forum are not giving credit where credit is due and it's completely understandable why he doesn't like the XDA forums and why he's asking for credit. He's a good guy.
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I'm not stating he hasn't done good things i'm thankfull he done a lot of things..
you are forgetting he is taking a lot of greetings for things not done.. Furthermore he did tweets for other developers telling the world that thoose developers didn't thanked him...
I think this is not a good way to communicate
BTW haykuro is a good developer (i stated it a lot of times here and on my post ) But should try to think before posting..
discredit good developers is not the right way ... if i was on fatal1ty and nk02 i would be a little angry with him :
First because haykuro offended them
Second because haykuro didn't helped them
Third because haykuro twitted to the world the work was from him
If you find this post ridicolous or can't say anything more thant ( this is not the right section ) please don't post below

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MODS, please close this useless thread and send it to the trash.
As a new member I have learned that XDA is a place where everyone can come to learn about pretty much whatever they want. What I have also learned is that XDA is not a place to post about general, non-technical, topics where users are bashing other members and phishing for things that are irrelevant.

I think people are blowing this out of proportion, it isn't like hes asking for money hes just asking for a simple one word acknowledgement which in most cases he deserves.

Well haykuro has gone crazy lately, he now shows he is 17 immature little boy who needs to grow up. I've been following him on Twitter and reading post he has made on des, and he is becoming a tucking asshole. Now. Example:
Mike makes a Rom and thanks haykuro for his help, and then most members thank mike
Haykuro doesn't like this and wants all credit to him while all he did was. Help a little.
And the above example is actually true. Which happened not so long ago.

Dladu said:
I think people are blowing this out of proportion, it isn't like hes asking for money hes just asking for a simple one word acknowledgement which in most cases he deserves.
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again .. It's ok i say thank to haykuro for what he did..
But please haykuro stop stress other people.. Not everyone is stealing your work..
Dladu, i agree with you.. But the way he asks the word is wrong..

Where are the mods? I miss them. =(
Hey, let's go continue this conversation on that one really popular high-profile Android-related site - you know, androidiani.com!
Oh wait, the comments there are moderated, much like Communism. *sigh*

Haykuro is one of the best. He has contributed so much in so little time that it's amazing. If he wants proper credit, for sure. If he wants some credit for things he only had a helping hand in, why not? If he wants credit for making the sun rise, hell I'd give him that too!!
The only reason theres been any conflict is because some of the other devs have an ego just as big, or bigger, than him, thus preventing them from being able to give credit unless they feel they should.
Does it hurt you all more, to give a little credit (even if you think its not deserved), than it hurts for haykuro to feel like people take his work and don't aknowledge it?
Everyone else should temper their egos because Haykuro is an asset we should try to keep.

Wow.
Maybe it's just me, but even after reading all of that, I still don't care.
Haykuro wants credit he feels is due from other developers. That's between those developers and himself.
I'm not a party to whatever events led to all of this, but I'm comfortable saying that if he contributed to the efforts of others, he deserves some modicum of credit. The reason people put in countless hours working on this stuff for free is to further the community, and if their only compensation is community recognition and they get slighted -- that's a problem for everyone. I'm not just talking about Haykuro here, either, it applies to anyone and everyone whose contributions have any value.
Cheers!

Without Haykuro, we wouldn't be as far along as we are today. MODS PLEASE CLOSE THIS BASH THREAD.

Haykuro has done a hell of a lot for this forum, i know that, but is he the best developer here? i'd say so.
But i've said it before and i'll say it again, his attitude is terrible.
I'm all for him getting all the credit he deserves, i'd actively go out of my way to make sure he gets his credit, and i know he's only 17, but he needs to sort out his attitude now. If he leaves it any longer it could 'stick' with him and no one wants to ascociate themselves with someone that egotistical.
I know he's done a hell of a lot for XDA, but think of everything XDA has done for HIM! With all the donations we gave him, we even bought him a phone for christs sake! Then one day some of his work gets leaked and thats it, he runs off, never to return. I know it must be frustrating, but **** happens and you need to deal with it.
I respect Haykuro immensely as a developer, but his attitude towards his work needs to change.
most of you probably wont agree with me, but thats just my thoughts on the subject

Cacheinjection leaving the Android Theming world

Hello everyone..
This I thought was something important that I decided to put in the theme thread since the above mentioned developer has had such an impact in the theming world.
So I was talking to cacheinjection just a few minutes ago on gtalk, and he unfortunately told me to let the xda community know that he will be leaving the android theming for a while.
He gave the reason as he was getting very busy with his job, and so does not have that much time right now(which i'm sure is true for most android developers since we can't be on xda all day every day), and also he expressed his discontent at people's lack of appreciation for all that he did/has been doing. He has been quite a revolutionary themer and most people would agree with me that the new things that he brought to the android scene, along with the help of other great developers: freekyfrogy and djosiah, made us love our g1's/mytouch 3g's all over again. With my time being on xda, I have seen this too many times where some ppl on xda actually end up pushing developers away because they do not realize that all developers have lives apart from the work they do for free for the xda community. I think it goes without saying that we as an xda community should show our appreciation to developers, as our way of saying thank you for taking time out of their day.
Excerpts from Conversation:
Cacheinjection: I feel pretty s*** about Android atm...People always want stuff, and never give anything back, not even thanks really. So I think I might give it up. I had a good run.
Cacheinjection: I think it might be very soon cos I don't see people caring anymore.
Cacheinjection: All people do is moan cos I haven't [done a specific thing]. F*** it. I'll just make my own fone pretty.
Cacheinjection: I have a pretty awesome job, I just like people to appreciate that I put my heart and soul into the stuff
Cacheinjection: It seems to me that if you need to tell people to appreciate what you do, they don't appreciate it
Cacheinjection: Let ppl know that I am taking a bit of time off of theme development. Things will get updated as and when..and I'll continue my work with Super D with Ben.
So there it is guys. If I were you, I would go over to his page, and to the pages of as many developers as you can find, and let them know how much you appreciate them. A donation never hurts either, if they have it on their page. So that's it. Just letting people know. Don't let any more developers make this decision also. Let them know you care. Thanks.

Shouldn't be to much of a surprise though, the things he say are pretty true though.

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Shouldn't be to much of a surprise though, the things he say are pretty true though.
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Very true. Also, I feel even worse for the Devs, they aren't that much more appreciated either! They make wonderful Roms and include awesome instructions yet people ask questions that are already answered and demand more and more and more. I don't know how some of them (including themers) put up with everything. Reading the posts people make in Rom threads make me go They want this, that, etc etc etc!
If only people took some more effort into doing some stuff themselves or even learning the basics, it would probably reduce a lot of these issues. I love when I see a theme release and people just ask for different stuff when they can do it themselves lol, I wonder if they even know how much time this stuff takes. I also don't think most of the people understand or know a thing about the Roms, other then flashing it! Which leads to more demands and devs that have to deal with it!

Just another example of a great developer being pushed away by unappreciative idiots on this forum. It's kind of sad really, alot of people have nothing better to do but to refresh the page every 5 seconds waiting for a new update (usually for a minor bug) even though an update was released just a few days prior. Better yet, the same people will b*tch and moan if a Dev hasn't put anything out for a week, while completely disregarding the fact that people like Cache work for free despite the fact they have actual lives outside of xda. This applies for ROMS and themes.
Xda should be a pay site and I'm serious. Either subscription based or download based. If not then this site will slowly die, do you think devs will continually put up with this crap over and over again? I have no problem paying a mandatory fee for an amazing theme or ROM. Nothing major, just a few dollars but at least the devs will get some guaranteed compensation.
Hope to see you back here Cache because despite the idiots, I do know there are alot of posters that appreciate your work.

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Just another example of a great developer being pushed away by unappreciative idiots on this forum. It's kind of sad really, alot of people have nothing better to do but to refresh the page every 5 seconds waiting for a new update (usually for a minor bug) even though an update was released just a few days prior. Better yet, the same people will b*tch and moan if a Dev hasn't put anything out for a week, while completely disregarding the fact that people like Cache work for free despite the fact they have actual lives outside of xda. This applies for ROMS and themes.
Xda should be a pay site and I'm serious. Either subscription based or download based. If not then this site will slowly die, do you think devs will continually put up with this crap over and over again? I have no problem paying a mandatory fee for an amazing theme or ROM. Nothing major, just a few dollars but at least the devs will get some guaranteed compensation.
Hope to see you back here Cache because despite the idiots, I do know there are alot of posters that appreciate your work.
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Something like the membership @ modaco. People get angry when a new update doesn't come out which is ridiculous.

Cacheinjection Keep Your Head Up And I Also Want You To Know That You Are Appreciated By Me. Take As Much Time As You Need. Your Themes Are The Best And Will Always And Forever Be. Your A Tremendous Developer. Continue On Doing What You Do And Trust Me: You Will Be Missed A LOT!
Until Then...Keep Up The Marvelous Work

It seems people want things on there schedule and how they want it.. A dev developes for him/herself and then share with the community.. We shouldn't expect anything from them we should be happy that they took there time to make something for us (community)....
Appreciate you and your revolutionary designs for the Android Community... You will be missed a lot

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Something like the membership @ modaco. People get angry when a new update doesn't come out which is ridiculous.
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Ah I'd be totally down for some kind of membership/subscription here (As long as it isn't too much! Just some membership thing would be nice)
And now that you guys mention people constantly wanting updates, that reminds me of how ppl appear to go crazy when Cyanogen doesn't release an update and think he's left the project to die cause of nexus one lmao. I personally think most of us will just keep wanting updates (flashaholics!), even at the point where updates are almost no longer possible!

It's terrible how all the complainers ruin it for all the people who truly do appreciate the devs work. The lurkers like me far outnumber the haters but the fact that we lurk is probably part of the problem. We'll miss him cache's work has definitely been some of the best.....the Darkstar theme is the best thing on any cellular device to date imho.

Sorry to see him leave, he will be missed.

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F*** it. I'll just make my own fone pretty.
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this made me laugh lol...
but that fact aside...
u do amazing work...
ive been part of the android community since day 1 of the g1 being released...
i wasnt a linux geek or themeing master but i patiently waited...learned the tricks and began helping others...
it was fun to give people tips and tricks on how to do things
help run their roms on their phone when they cant anymore...
and i feel what ur saying
its hard to keep up with a community thats so young and wants everything quick...some people just dont realize the time that goes into it...
well i hope u do come back and if u keep ur themes for a select few i understand that...for peopel who donate and what not i would be more than willing to pitch in...everyone deserves payment for their work...nothing in this world is free

Sad, sad, sad...
Hope HE will be fine. It doesn't matter those people whose won't be getting his stuff, only HE matters.
So, if HE is allright, i'll be fine!
Good luck Mr.Cacheinjection!

damn this guy was my partner in crime lol. to be honest without cache here updates for elegance and darkstar will be very slow. he was the one who mostly updated these themes. its sad to see him go because he has taught me a lot and if it wasnt for his initial darkstar concept i wouldnt have gotten into themeing. hopefully he will be back sooner than we think.
@shadowch31 syaing that he 'bit off more then he chew' isnt a very fair statement to make. he chose to try and do all these things to help the community and when the community dont show appreciation they are just throwing it back in his face. im not having a go at you or anything, just thought it needed to be said.

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I feel sorry about it, but I understand him, everyone who make themes/roms, would understand it too. Actually people, who never made anything, don't realize how hard is it, and how many hours we expend on it.
I also hate when people post negative comments like: "you should post concepts, or w.i.p, ...
I hope he doesn't leave forever, or even long, becuase we need him. He's one of the best, and always a good help for people like me.
I just want to thank him for everything he has made so far.

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I would say though, shadowch31, that from all the conversations that i've had with cache, money is not his main thing for theming. The guy has a love for theming and he seems he just has a heart to share the ideas with people. Just to clear that up. What's wrong with donations anyway? More so to him? The guy has really been revolutionary with bringing new ideas to the table, and you're right..not everyone can donate, but those who can, it never hurts to send a dev some monetary thank yous. i've done so myself when i could cuz i know the time and effort it takes to make anything, from the smallest thing to the grandest. but yeah..i was just letting you know that that's not what cache is about here.

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I would say though, shadowch31, that from all the conversations that i've had with cache, money is not his main thing for theming. The guy has a love for theming and he seems he just has a heart to share the ideas with people. Just to clear that up. What's wrong with donations anyway? More so to him? The guy has really been revolutionary with bringing new ideas to the table, and you're right..not everyone can donate, but those who can, it never hurts to send a dev some monetary thank yous. i've done so myself when i could cuz i know the time and effort it takes to make anything, from the smallest thing to the grandest. but yeah..i was just letting you know that that's not what cache is about here.
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I agree, developers can sell their software in the market, themers share it here. Donations is a good way to push creators to keep working and creating.
And I think 1$ is not a big deal for anybody here, but together, it would be a nice reward for every developer.
But it's just my opinion

hey guys,
im just gonna chime in quick,
first off i wana say to shadowch31 none of this is aimed at you, you are awsome, and i dont think i would have done as much good worth without your enthusiasm.
And yeah i totaly love your british sense of humor, gtalk em if ya wana chat
yeah, this is most definitely not about money, I have a job, and that keeps me in beer and a roof over the head, in fact i was a little hesitant about adding donate links, cos i dont want people to give if they dont wana. its just about people appreciating work, also people letting us know they are still interested with what were doing, helps us know if we should continue to work on it for the comunity.
Anyway thanks for all the support, and i will be back, just having a breather.
Cache

Thanks for coming in Cache and clearing things up, I understand your words of enthusiasm a lot more than 'appreciated' but see how the two tie in.
Your right the community had somwhat abandonded Darkstar besides me and my motivational nagging and Elegance was getting the same besides the odd 'Can we have...' brigade. Gonna be sad to see you go fella but it is a well deserved break and one I understand, just looking at getting into theming myself and know it ain't gonna be a walk in the park and is gonna take a lot of time and effort. Was just gutted and upset to see such an asset to the themeing community leave and for what seemed like weak excuses but now you have explained I fully understand your decision.
I, like everyone else will miss ya fella and look forward to the day you feel like coming back and treating us all to your amazing work. Thanks for everything Cache, been a hell of a ride.

I too would like to say thanks Cache for what you've done for the community, and of course especially DarkStar.
To this date I still haven't abandoned the last update of DS that had Stericson's lockscreen lol. In fact, I'm actually keeping the theme for quite some time since SD 1.8 is stable and fast enough.
But yeah have fun with your break dude, and I look forward to your return.

DINIK Defense Thread

You know what, honestly, I'm a huge fan of DINIKs work, it's beautiful. Hate me if you want, but he doesn't deserve the **** some people have put him through. If you don't like his work, simply shut the F*CK up and don't download it OR use a ROM that has it included...
Is it that hard to follow rules? Honestly... He asked people not to distribute his work without permission, yet I see it happening daily...
Yeah, I have "manipulated" his work, but only to fulfill requests IN HIS OFFICIAL HD2 ICON THREAD, saving him time.
Am I re-distributing his work without his permission? No, I assisted someone in need.
Some people became belligerent, harassing his work because it came with a ROM.... my answer to their stupidity, FLASH A NEW ROM FFS.... If you don't want DINIKs work on your Device, don't flash a ROM with it included. You're only making yourself look dumber.
Remember, most Chefs make ROMs to THEIR personal liking for their own devices, not just to please you. If I Cooked up a ROM and it had DINIKs work {with permission} in it, and someone asked me to get rid of it, I'd immediately direct that user back to the Device ROM fora, and tell them to choose another ROM. Simple as that.
Does DINIK support my creating of this thread? Honestly, probably not... but thanks to these people who consistently blab on about how bad his work is, and how "they can make it too", he has announced that his work will now be for his ROM only... which means HD2 only.
I have no plans to update my Device to a non-hardware keyboard device, so thanks a*sholes... now I, and MANY MANY others, no-longer get to enjoy the work of DINIK.
Do I care if you can make the Anastasia Icons as good as DINIK can? No, I don't. The IDEA behind the set is what makes it beautiful and worthwhile, and DINIK took the time out of HIS day to make ALL of the icons... I don't see you doing this.. I just see you wasting my precious bandwidth and oxygen.
Feel free to comment, BUT if you're going to RANT against me this thread, why don't you just PM an Admin and request for your account to be banned and deleted... it'll save us all a bunch of eye-sores and the chance of our IQs being lowered...
[I felt this thread was necessary to bring people back to reality. Some people are too asinine to simply respect someones work, and time put into the work. I feel the day is coming where Chefs no longer get thanked, nor receive donations... and the day that happens my friends is the day that we all become part of Apples Auschwitz Posse of Fanbois.]

With you on this one mate, too many people are disprespectful to people who spend their own time making other peoples lives/devices better.
we all suffer because of their stupidity, the worst bit is, folk who take what is not theirs and use as they wish without permission will likely not give a damn about it and they will simply move on to copy someone elses work

I 2nd and 3rd that one mate.....
The guys/girls on here that devote their time to making some amazing programs to make our devices a whole lot better than we could possibly imagine, and you get arseholes gobbing off...
I truely respect everyone of the developers and can only say...
IF SOMEONE DOESNT LIKE A CERTAIN PROGRAM/SOFTWARE.......DONT BLOODY DOWNLOAD IT....SIMPLE....
Respect to DINIK and ALL the developers on this site...!!!!
Viva la XDA.....

i cosign this post

Thx Agent Zach and others...i know 90% users here are happy with me and what im doing...its just that this 5-10 people...became so loud and so annoying...that its no more fun to be here and post...it all began with one user who disliked me...and now it started to grow...i dont know what they thinking...they all using my work...and attack me...that one who doing it for them? maybe they should think again about it...to attack an author is not a good idea itself...but to attack an author that you like (use his works) is def an idea of an idiot.
they attacked me and my works...and suffered now...cause i not doing anymore cabs and do only rom exclusive updates...now they started attacking my rom and to rip files out of it (because after the first attack they get no more cabs)...the stupidity have no end...with all that they gonna loose all...i just quit posting here.

I understand your choice 100%.
This thread was intended to show support to your work, as you can already see by the responses. But it was also intended to bring these ignorant folks out of their shell. Maybe they'll learn that people won't kneel at their feet and fulfill their demands.
All it takes is one person to screw something up, and it all rolls downhill from there... it's the vicious circle of idiocracy.
I just hope that one day, something or someone can help change your mind. I understand your thoughts on the Exclusivity of the new Anastasia for your ROM, but it does, in-fact, suck for the rest of us.
I love your work, simple & through. Whatever decisions you make, my friend, I support.
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One of the rules these people should take notice of:
12. Using the work of others.
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If a dispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact a moderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.
Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.
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Just a gentle reminder that this thread is on watch to ensure that all members post within the forum rules...http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=534
If you see a post that is a problem please use the Report Button function to flag it up so we can take the appropriate action.
Many thanks
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Thus I linked to the Rules.
Trust me, I won't hesitate to Report.
Some people may even Report my first post in this thread, as the people it's directed towards may become upset with themselves, and then ME for pointing out their mistakes.

I'm not familiar with dinik, his work, or any of you guys that know him but based on what I've read here in the off topic section in the last couple days...
I'm nebenezer, and I approve this message.

Totally agreed with this thread! I don't know way, almost everyone have some of Dinnik's work; and the only thing some people do is dispute! He have changed for us the hole layout from our device, what I'm thankful fore and for some reason or a other there are always people's who don't respect him!!
Ok I must be honest, in the beginning I missed something ore like to see more of his stuff on my device!! So I have simply contact him to asked his authorization to used his basic work to create my'n, and I'm not he only one who have did that!! From the first time I have contact him, till know I have a new friend!! I don't know if it is me ore what!! But in each case my parents have learn me to asked and not to steal!!
It is a golden rules in life in brings you a great part father!
As I mentioned earlier Dinnik, you have more friends here than enemies!

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As I mentioned earlier Dinnik, you have more friends here than enemies!
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Exactly.
But I admit, being a Photoshop Artist myself, the smallest bit of criticism to my work does lower my self esteem and respect toward "the receivers" of my work, no matter how many positive comments I get.
Maybe it's just a conflict within ones' self, and not necessarily a hatred for the critics...
Maybe my metaphoric "Ego" is much more vulnerable than I thought... maybe every artists Ego is..

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I'm not familiar with dinik, his work, or any of you guys that know him but based on what I've read here in the off topic section in the last couple days...
I'm nebenezer, and I approve this message.
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Nice Thread!!!
Am a big fan of your work dinik..
A big thumbs up mate Keep up the good work

Welcome to the world dinik..It is something that you have got to get used to it. I know this from my experience..

DINIK......
Pse do not stop posting because of a few narrow minded idiots..!!! Your stuff if loved by thousands of people on this amazing site.. Keep up the good work fella...

[A THOUGHT] Copying in an Open Community

Android is open. That's why I have my Samsung Galaxy S, my Nexus One and my Sapphire.
I have these phones because the open community can do better than the professionals, and I am proud to be a member of a community that has recently hacked Froyo onto the G1, Android2HD2 (and other Winmo devices), created great skins and themes, rooted almost every droid to date, hacked google navigation to work in other countries etc etc etc.
There is amazing work being done is this community.
Kingklick was able to put out a lot of ROMs which satisfied a lot of people. Contributors to Cyanogenmod (disclaimer. notably not Cyanogen himself) and others (fans and friends - disclaimer. note lack of word fanboys - of cyanogenmod, disclaimer. plus some others too) have flamed and flamed away about Kangklick (notably via twitter - I have stopped following any of those jerks that clogged up my feeds with what could've - screw that - should've been settled MUCH more privately..I followed you guys for dev news or the occasional interesting insight into your real life, not your petty bickering, but you have every right to post what you like...hence why I stopped following you all, I didn't flame you...note 'bigger man').
Rule 12 of XDArules clearly states that using the work of others must be done with permission, independent of whether it is open source or not. If this is not upheld then the post will be bought down, it does not say the user will be banned. I would understand the formality of taking the post down and requesting Kingklick reposts the ROM with due credit, but I believe - note believe...implies opinion - that moderators may have been influenced by pressure from other (high ranking, public eye) members and thus did not adhere to normal or just (I do not know if not giving creds is normally treated in this way, but you will discover I believe it shouldn't be) protacol. Kingklick broke the rules of XDA, but then again I see his banning as the least contentious issue here.
I believe that members of the XDA community in the public eye (ie with large Twitter follower base) due to their work via XDA (no matter what you say, cyanogenmod may be based at its own domain, but it still posts at XDA to maintain its public profile and feed of the massive XDA userbase, and is hence in part bound by this) have a responsibility to follow the rules of XDA on XDA rules and disputes. I do not think this is something which can be policed ('I'm banning you Wes for Trolling Kingklick...on Twitter'... not gonna work) but I think it is a moral obligation (anyone that thinks the internet is not bound by morality should take a reality check...the reason why we have open source is essentially ethics).
Do we give credit to Linus Torvalds every time we distribute linux kernels or work to do with linux? Do we give credit to those that helped him create this base? Do we give credit to Google for creating Android? HTC? Our carriers? Martin Cooper for inventing the mobile phone and cell networks? Time Berners-Lee for inventing the internet, giving rise to this forum, Google and thus the Phones/Devices we love and use? The fact is we don't give credit where due (although you may say its obscure to thank these people, they DO deserve our thanks). None of the ROM chefs/coders give all credit where due, but a lot do in part, with those directly involved. But who still thanks the original rooters?
Kingklick has been declared a copier by the jury...I haven't delved through the evidence to confirm this...but shouldn't we be much more relaxed about copying in general? All users should be open about their work with Android, but they are not. If kingklick based a build off Cyanongenmod, and gave due credit for that, he would be called unoriginal, despite his attempts to make improvements. I also believe that there should be transparency, a log of all complaints of interest and the community told in a statement from the mods why someone was banned...at least in part (keeping gory details to themselves thank you very much).
Donations are generally given by 'end-users'...noobs who can flash and maybe do some work on the builds but their contributions are limited. End users generally want user experience, and reward devs with commendation and donations. If kingklick does work on a build which satisfies more users and he hence gets donations, is that stealing donations? No. The original dev works on an open source project knowing that their work is open, but the end user can reward as he/she likes. Perhaps kingklick developed his following due to his branding...he did always use words like FAST and STABLE and SMOOTH, but Apple do the same and they're not banned from trading despite the hyperbole.
I do not doubt that a lot of devs thanks fellow devs with donations. Cyanogen is well known for donating, as is kingklick, however a lot of donations come from end users, and if kingklick replaces a few files using winrar (something which I generally contest, I believe kingklick does a lot of great work) and that satisfies more end users by being fast and stable and smooth (or perceived as being so thanks to branding) then he can get donations for that, they are a gesture of satisfaction and goodwill.
Kingklick was immoral by not giving true credit, however I believe that he could have been warned and asked to give credit once he got back from his night out (whether that excuse, or what ever his actual excuse was, was true).
I also laugh at the accusation that kingklick does not fill a niche within the 'open'/'free' community. This should not result in grudges and flame wars, whether it is true or not. Kingklick did fill a niche in my opinion: reviewers (and consumers) see vanilla android as being sterile. Hell it is sterile, and it's never going to be as successful as others if it doesn't sort this out. Cyanogenmod and other big names are based off this sterile form of Android, but they don't delve into Sense UI and other alternative skins, mainly due to preferences or copyright problems etc, not that that stops them with other things. Kingklick did work with these and he filled his niche by delivering great, fast, usable roms of these whilst others sneered at them for being inefficient coding or whatever...geeky snobbery.
Kingklick also delivered various fixes and things which other groups did not. I won't list all of these and I am sure representatives of Cyanogenmob et al will say 'we were gonna fix these issues anyways' or 'that's redundant' or 'that was patchy code', but kingklick has contributed. Obviously we have to hold ethics above output, we can not say that 'his holiness' (inteneded to mock those who believe cyanogen alone is a god, not cyanogen himself) Cyanogen's contributions to android exempt him from following conduct, but we do a great job of driving away good developers with flaming and telling tales. Perhaps you'll say kingklick was not a good developer, Drizzy, even Haykuro etc etc, but I only flashed Cyanogenmod on my Nexus once and I didn't like it for various reasons (personal preference yada yada) but I kept going back for more kingklick...whether that's perceived speed and branding etc or just satisfaction.
King's desire roms are great, but we never mobbed, trolled and banned the poor guy for not giving creds to HTC. Surely the morality of our community using software like Rosie on the Nexus is more ethically questionable than a fellow member of XDA's work, since HTC is a firm which employs people. I bought a Nexus over the Desire because I knew I could still have Sense and a bigger dev community, however the cost included in the Desire which goes to the developers of Sense is hence forgone (perhaps indeirectly, I don;t know HTC internal funding); therefore I have - and anyone who has ever flashed a Sense ROM or devved with Sense - indirectly caused loss of welfare for people who rely of developing as their source of income, tehir families, communities and economies. Surely that is less ethical than not saying thank you, but XDA has no problem with that. Perhaps it is too small to notice, but it will have an indirect impact nonetheless.
Yes kingklick should've said his please and thank you, but I think it's community hyped double standards, pretensical courtesy (not that I wouldn't give creds, it's just that pleases and thank yous are nice, but not actually useful). A wise man once said 'there is no threshold for immorality', just because kingklick did a larger 'crime' than the rest of the community in not giving his thanks out, that does not exempt the other rule breakers (ie everyone), it just means their punishment should be less severe...we choose to ignore it because it's less direct or forgotten about.
In conclusion, I think we should start a 'contributors to Android' part of XDA, added to by mods or specifically appointed members of the community (like the portal). This could be informative and could mean that forgotten about contributors could not be forgotten, but their contributions immortalised in the open community of Android. Even if the contributions become redundant, they are the foundations for the next chapter in the Android story.
Finally. www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html is a very good read..and think about what AOSP stands for (I'll give you a clue...Android Open Source Project!). Can you steal what is open? What right have others to dictate what can and cannot be distributed in the open aspects of Android code (ie the underlying OS and vanilla UI...I'm not confused with Apps). Perhaps kingklick was guilty of plagiarism? But so is anyone that claims they worked really hard in that kernel without crediting Linus and leaving a donation link to his family or favourite charitable causes. Anyone that says I've reworked the UI without giving credits to The Astonishing Tribe for the original Android concepts which all UIs are based off...
Android is closed, that's why I question this 'community'.
I am not proud to be a member of this 'community'...right now.
Ps. Cyanogenmob was originally a typo (using words like mobbed in my piece...Freudian slip on the keyboard rather than fat finger syndrome)...but I kept it in as I thought it was funny...the Cyogenmob should replace team douche IMHO!

Wow, didn't realise how long it was...out of interest has anyone actually read the whole thing !?

Yeah, I read it and agree to some extent.
While what he did was wrong, he shouldn't be banned for it. I do not know all the circumstances around it but from what I read it appears he made sense UI for the Nexus one?
I believe that cyanogen is becoming more and more powerful as a body and it is starting to strong arm others when they believe they are in the wrong. I don't understand why people should shunned as he was simply because he didn't give due credit. From seeing all these devs get the boot from websites because they didn't give all the sources for their work. This is a major hinderance from some people wanting to develop new ROMs. I mean it seems that some people want to get credit for what they did and want to have the fame of what they developed, and not just because they wanted to further the development of phones and custom ROMS.
Some people may not agree with my stance, but I just think you give people another chance for slip ups like that one and not just a boot with no questions asked.

The problem is NOT just using other people work with/without permission...
The problem is cheating the users to get more donations:
Example:
-DevA: Oh, i've been 3 nights compiling the code for you all!!!!
-Users: Ohhh, thankyou, gonna donate for your hard work!!!
-DevA: Ok, here you have the link (and the download is from DevB work with a little text-editor touch-up).
That's not the way of doing things (imho)

sorry but no. the proper way is
devA: "i took all of jubeh's work and 'optimized a text file' and uploaded it, pretty awesome right?"
you: "cool story bro"
devA: "i need a new phone"
you: "im poor but wth if you keep not making your own work and ask for donations"
devA: "ya rly"
you: "maybe i should've donated to the guy that made this all and not the one that file pushed the wifi files over... =("

wow lets have some proof of this please and i quote "Cyanogen is well known for donating, as is kingklick" we know cyan does but prove king does if not take the statement out

If King put in the same amount of effort HazzBazz put in to creating this thread/writing that ever so long first post, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
But really, did we need another thread on this topic ? I lost track but theres been atleast 10+ threads discussing this and all resulting in a lock/user under investigation.

See guys no one from cm contributors told anyone bout banning kk but yes every one was angry that he never gave credit to anyone. We told him a hundred time already to give credit. I don't know if bbannin does justice here but still he violated a lot of rules. He never released his kernel source. Never gave credits for others hard work. Bout drizzy he got banned for scamming a user. It's not winrar but winzip Get ur facts right. We r talking bout crediting the work of the community. If u do something spending day n night on expecting nothing but some respect or credit for ur work u get angry in ur language doing 1 month job n not getting paid. I would recommend u all try contributing before writing such justifications n flames n more. So kingklick was wrong n given many warnings before being banned. He was not a bad dev or something but as I told u reward for a contributor is credits. Bout donating I guess from tomorrow I'll start packaging cm froyo nightlys change the name of the Rom post it n start asking for donations. I'll even put some unicorns n ponies in it for u guys so it ismagical. N if u thing stuff can be fixed without the source u r wrong. For fixing 99% percent of stuff u need to know how to work with source n compile. Rest 1% are silver by pushing files. And again no one from cm asked any mod to ban him. It was their internal decision. There was no influence whatsoever

And one more thing. U all remember Eugene whom u all made run away from magic n dream. He even caught kingklick using his work by adding a coded name oc the Rom that clearly said Eugene n this made king cry. He started accepting he used Eugene work then more proofs came in of he just changing build.prop n posting as his

Hey guys seriously, i spent like all weekend making a site for you to help hax your phones. bandwidth is expensive, so please donate to me!!!!!!! if you like all the work i put into this. you can check my site out at: http://forum.xda-developers.com and if it helps you out, please buy my a nexus. thanks and i'm still here

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Hey guys seriously, i spent like all weekend making a site for you to help hax your phones. bandwidth is expensive, so please donate to me!!!!!!! if you like all the work i put into this. you can check my site out at: http://forum.xda-developers.com and if it helps you out, please buy my a nexus. thanks and i'm still here
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I lawl'd.
I don't have enough money for my family, but you can have some. Where's your donate link you hard worker?
tl;dr

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Hey guys seriously, i spent like all weekend making a site for you to help hax your phones. bandwidth is expensive, so please donate to me!!!!!!! if you like all the work i put into this. you can check my site out at: http://forum.xda-developers.com and if it helps you out, please buy my a nexus. thanks and i'm still here
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Damn man, that site is stupid fast
Im poor and living on the streets but i cant imagine how much work it must've been. Im donating to u

AnderWeb said:
The problem is NOT just using other people work with/without permission...
The problem is cheating the users to get more donations:
Example:
-DevA: Oh, i've been 3 nights compiling the code for you all!!!!
-Users: Ohhh, thankyou, gonna donate for your hard work!!!
-DevA: Ok, here you have the link (and the download is from DevB work with a little text-editor touch-up).
That's not the way of doing things (imho)
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Kingklick developed a fanbase. If they donated is that a crime? He didn't hold for ransom, he just released work without due credit, perhaps mostly someone else's work (havent seen evidence) and hey I put a paper out last term without my complete bibliography done because I was so excited to get it out and I was going away for a week...I finished it off over the break and put it out when I was back, funny that didn't start a war on the internet.
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sorry but no. the proper way is
devA: "i took all of jubeh's work and 'optimized a text file' and uploaded it, pretty awesome right?"
you: "cool story bro"
devA: "i need a new phone"
you: "im poor but wth if you keep not making your own work and ask for donations"
devA: "ya rly"
you: "maybe i should've donated to the guy that made this all and not the one that file pushed the wifi files over... =("
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I like how you're not using any form of personal attack in discussing this issue...give me an example of when kingklick asked asked for donations...theyre just appreciated. And hell did Jubreh give credit to ALL the people who helped him...Linus Torvalds etc? No, so we are all in part imperfect for not giving 'full credit'...call me anal or not.
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If King put in the same amount of effort HazzBazz put in to creating this thread/writing that ever so long first post, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
But really, did we need another thread on this topic ? I lost track but theres been atleast 10+ threads discussing this and all resulting in a lock/user under investigation.
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None of them were philosophical...Ive just finished my second year on joint honours in Philosophy so I find it interesting...and it's not exactly an effort to pile out this when I did it all through term time anyway.
charnsingh_online said:
It's not winrar but winzip Get ur facts right.
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LOL I guess that makes me an invalid...nice
charnsingh_online said:
We r talking bout crediting the work of the community. If u do something spending day n night on expecting nothing but some respect or credit for ur work u get angry in ur language doing 1 month job n not getting paid.
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well uhhhh no its not because you expect to be paid for your job, and in fact you have legal rights ...open source developing is COMPLETELY different
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I would recommend u all try contributing
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True yeah we should all try it...I'm hoping to do computer science post-grad if I get a first...but we dont all have the time or the expertise. I do some file pushing for myself, but I dont release it because if I did (despite getting my roms running fast and to my liking) I'd get slated by some snooty coders and fanboys.
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before writing such justifications n flames n more.
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It was their internal decision. There was no influence whatsoever
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Try twitter.com and look at a lot of members of Cyanogenmob's (still sticking by that, will use that in non-derogatory circumstances, still revelling in the typo!) tweets.
And hey if kingklick can deliver to the end users then there's no use slagging him off...youre equally insulting anyone that thought his roms were good. His slide rom has so much positive feedback for instance.

JAguirre1231 said:
I lawl'd.
I don't have enough money for my family, but you can have some. Where's your donate link you hard worker?
tl;dr
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Daneshm90 said:
Damn man, that site is stupid fast
Im poor and living on the streets but i cant imagine how much work it must've been. Im donating to u
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Yay mock donators now too.

HazzBazz, since you're gonna be like this here goes:
We all know the kangers. They're everywhere from your local grocer to the bus driver. Yes, kangers live peacefully among us. What you didn't know is that the real issue, for me at least, is that when I had my old Windows phone w/Android ported on it, we would bust our asses off (look at the Vogue thread) and people would micro-manage or "release" our work as theirs. Basically we would bust our asses off for free (never have I ever asked for a donation nor have I received a single penny for my time) and these people would zip it up and host it on their own site and build a fan base.
Ok so what right? well the people that post in those threads then have bugs to report. who do they report them too? the guy that said he made the ROM-- not us. he says "lolz i don't know guys" then we fix it then he gets thanked. then, he gets the donation. it pisses me off and I never got paid. imagine the unemployed devs out there.
You can at least see my point, right?

F'sure. Hence why I dont release anything. But to you guys kangers are pests. I do not doubt that kangers should be policed. However the credit issue is something which is neglected at a small level by everyone, so no one is perfect...and the great thing about a big site like xda is that most kangers on other websites have tiny fanbases.
I respect your work because of its own credence, and plagiarism will sure as hell piss anyone off who puts time into things, but we must remember that these are donations, given freely. I think we should do more to inform the 'end users' than ban and drive away devs who deliver what some users want...albeit with some undue credit (inform..allow the end users to make informed decisions).

HazzBazz said:
Kingklick developed a fanbase. If they donated is that a crime? He didn't hold for ransom, he just released work without due credit, perhaps mostly someone else's work (havent seen evidence)
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I will stop you there as the rest of what you say is boring.
Oh and use the search button or cache on google to find(as you call it) evidence
Have a Nice Day

If you like my work, buy bill gates a stuffed penguin.

Love it yeah. Your logical, fair and anticipatory argument leaves me speechless.
'Rest of what you say is boring'...darn I'm upset and speechless...that hurts. It's like Primary school bullies here, only fails.
With regard to 'haven't seen evidence'...I wasn't saying kingklick did or did not do that or this...Im simply saying I (personally) havent seen the evidence (not because it doesn't exist or does exist), but ultimately Kingklick was found guilty of using someone else's work without saying please and thankyou, and was hence driven away from us.

I will be hated on, but I don't care. Bring the King back. I love his Desire Sense UI ROM's.

join freenode irc channel #sonofskywalker3 to alpha test a new vibrant rom

topic says it all

If it was worth trying out you would have posted it here.
edit: Also, the channel name wouldn't be so stupid.

r0man said:
If it was worth trying out you would have posted it here.
edit: Also, the channel name wouldn't be so stupid.
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it's called beta for a reason, because it's not worth trying out, but i need people who aren't total dicks to help me make it worth trying out.

sonofskywalker3 said:
it's called beta for a reason, because it's not worth trying out, but i need people who aren't total dicks to help me make it worth trying out.
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Beta software is software with a few bugs, you are thinking of alpha. This section is for development, not a place to hold the hands of wannabe devs and WinZippers.

How do I join?

Do I get a free gift if I join? I really wanna join but I wanna make it worth my while

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This section is for development, not a place to hold the hands of wannabe devs and WinZippers.
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all i have to say about this is wow.... lmfao... that was great it just made my day lol

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Beta software is software with a few bugs, you are thinking of alpha. This section is for development, not a place to hold the hands of wannabe devs and WinZippers.
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check out the fascinate board and then tell me i'm a wannabe. or look at my other topic on here and check out the 2000+ line ROM Manager Manifest.
abcdavidefg said:
How do I join?
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you can either use an irc client like MIRC or the firefox addon Chatzilla, or go to www.freenode.net and sign in to the webchat

r0man said:
Beta software is software with a few bugs, you are thinking of alpha. This section is for development, not a place to hold the hands of wannabe devs and WinZippers.
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woa wtf is your problem? quit trolling his thread cause your mad you can't make ****. I don't give a flying f*** how many posts you have your acting like a straight up dickhead who sounds jealous.people wonder why the devs are slowly leaving xda. its cause of tards like roman thats why.

djquick said:
Do I get a free gift if I join? I really wanna join but I wanna make it worth my while
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I wish i could, but all that you'll get is a chance to help me on my way to getting my rom in ROM manager for you guys.

Free gift= first one to use the rom

r0man... in defense of skywalker... he was just talking about how he was a fascninate dev and was trying to get this rom working on the vibrant... which is actually a pretty awesome task... doing it in a way NO other vibrant dev has done.. .. making it able to download right through rom manager... to tailor the rom install (if i am not mistaken) to include exactly what you wish...
while i think the irc way is a little out of my way... whatever... its his way.. his rom... if you dont like it... dont be a part of it... why call names and such...
y
honestly.. IMHO.. its the negativity like yours that drives the real devs away from xda...

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all i have to say about this is wow.... lmfao... that was great it just made my day lol
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You're welcome
sonofskywalker3 said:
check out the fascinate board and then tell me i'm a wannabe. or look at my other topic on here and check out the 2000+ line ROM Manager Manifest.
you can either use an irc client like MIRC or the firefox addon Chatzilla, or go to www.freenode.net and sign in to the webchat
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Wow, your stupidity truly boggles the mind! Oh dear, where to begin...
Let us start with your grammar and capitalization. Now, no one here expects anyone else to adhere to the exact guidelines of the English language but for God's sake man, at least capitalize the first letter of the topic. If you don't, people will assume (quite truly) that you are about 13 years old and are attempting to get your 5 minutes of fame.
Next, making a topic in development trying to force people into your IRC channel is ridiculous. You provide NO details whatsoever. No developer in their right minds would consider making a thread about an upcoming project with absolutely no information.
So I decided to look at a thread you made over in the Fascinate forums, here is something you said in it: "Once our great Devs figure out how to..." I stopped reading right there. If you are going to create ROMs, know how to fix ****.
And finally, to your "2000+ line ROM Manager manifest" I could honestly have no less of an idea what you are babbling about.
Also, anyone who recommends ChatZilla should go die for you are the scum of technology lovers everywhere.
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renocivik said:
r0man... in defense of skywalker... he was just talking about how he was a fascninate dev and was trying to get this rom working on the vibrant... which is actually a pretty awesome task... doing it in a way NO other vibrant dev has done.. .. making it able to download right through rom manager... to tailor the rom install (if i am not mistaken) to include exactly what you wish...
while i think the irc way is a little out of my way... whatever... its his way.. his rom... if you dont like it... dont be a part of it... why call names and such...
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honestly.. IMHO.. its the negativity like yours that drives the real devs away from xda...
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Now, now. I am not an unreasonable or jealous person, and I believe you have a legitimate reason for calling me out like this. Let me explain, there are 2 kinds of "developers" that populate the XDA forums; developers (Cyan, Eugene, #TeamWhiskey) and WinZippers (everyone over in the themes section, the OP). The former category deserve much applause for their hardwork, and so do the themers in the latter category. The problem is when people from the second group believe they know anything about Android and decide to run off and "create" a ROM. This results in a legion of clone ROMs created with the Android Kitchen that have a different name and MAYBE a different color notification bar. It is sad and pathetic, and it has claimed the livelihood of the G1 developer forum.
texasrocket said:
woa wtf is your problem? quit trolling his thread cause your mad you can't make ****. I don't give a flying f*** how many posts you have your acting like a straight up dickhead who sounds jealous.people wonder why the devs are slowly leaving xda. its cause of tards like roman thats why.
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First off I want to inform you that my username is not roman, it is r0man. With a zero. #justsayin :roll:
Anywho, that was a bit OT. I am not trolling anyone. I am simply trying to tell people not to waste their time with the OP's bull**** WinZippery. The *real* reason developers leave XDA is because people don't use the search feature which irks them to no end, not "straight up dickhead." My post count is irrelevant and I don't hide behind it so I can act like a pretentious ass, I just like to post a lot.

I have installed Chatzilla what do i Do next?

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Now, now. I am not an unreasonable or jealous person, and I believe you have a legitimate reason for calling me out like this. Let me explain, there are 2 kinds of "developers" that populate the XDA forums; developers (Cyan, Eugene, #TeamWhiskey) and WinZippers (everyone over in the themes section, the OP). The former category deserve much applause for their hardwork, and so do the themers in the latter category. The problem is when people from the second group believe they know anything about Android and decide to run off and "create" a ROM. This results in a legion of clone ROMs created with the Android Kitchen that have a different name and MAYBE a different color notification bar. It is sad and pathetic, and it has claimed the livelihood of the G1 developer forum.
First off I want to inform you that my username is not roman, it is r0man. With a zero. #justsayin :roll:
Anywho, that was a bit OT. I am not trolling anyone. I am simply trying to tell people not to waste their time with the OP's bull**** WinZippery. The *real* reason developers leave XDA is because people don't use the search feature which irks them to no end, not "straight up dickhead." My post count is irrelevant and I don't hide behind it so I can act like a pretentious ass, I just like to post a lot.
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Well you are acting like a pretentious ass who likes to post alot. Why are you telling people not to waste their time? Maybe they don't think they are wasting their time. who are you to say that they are? If they want to go try out his rom let them. what does it have to do with you? It sounds to me like you are jealous with your nerd rage. it's pathetic.

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Well you are acting like a pretentious ass who likes to post alot. Why are you telling people not to waste their time? Maybe they don't think they are wasting their time. who are you to say that they are? If they want to go try out his rom let them. what does it have to do with you? It sounds to me like you are jealous with your nerd rage. it's pathetic.
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What does "jealous with your nerd rage" even mean? That I am jealous of a WinZipper who probably doesn't even know how to compile from source? I think not.

r0man said:
Now, now. I am not an unreasonable or jealous person, and I believe you have a legitimate reason for calling me out like this. Let me explain, there are 2 kinds of "developers" that populate the XDA forums; developers (Cyan, Eugene, #TeamWhiskey) and WinZippers (everyone over in the themes section, the OP). The former category deserve much applause for their hardwork, and so do the themers in the latter category. The problem is when people from the second group believe they know anything about Android and decide to run off and "create" a ROM. This results in a legion of clone ROMs created with the Android Kitchen that have a different name and MAYBE a different color notification bar. It is sad and pathetic, and it has claimed the livelihood of the G1 developer forum.
First off I want to inform you that my username is not roman, it is r0man. With a zero. #justsayin :roll:
Anywho, that was a bit OT. I am not trolling anyone. I am simply trying to tell people not to waste their time with the OP's bull**** WinZippery. The *real* reason developers leave XDA is because people don't use the search feature which irks them to no end, not "straight up dickhead." My post count is irrelevant and I don't hide behind it so I can act like a pretentious ass, I just like to post a lot.
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Though this guy may not be the next JesusFreke or Cyanogen why give him a hard time. It seems he's adding more to the development than you are my friend.we have enough touch holes like you wondering around here. Either:
A. Contribute something development-wise to this forum
B. Create your own forum
C. Stop *****ing at people for trying to contribute what they can.
Stop being a **** just to be a ****. It's not very flattering buckeroo.
Just saying

god someone please delete this topic already. i did not mean to start a flame war. i asked earlier if anyone was interested in what i was offering, it seemed like they were, so i tried to get some people to test it for me in realtime. if i had a vibrant i'd do it myself like i do for the fascinate. but i don't. just trying to bring my idea to other phones. sorry i stepped on your toes. sorry for being a useless winzipper, but everybody's gotta start somewhere.

danr238 said:
Though this guy may not be the next JesusFreke or Cyanogen why give him a hard time. It seems he's adding more to the development than you are my friend.we have enough touch holes like you wondering around here. Either:
A. Contribute something development-wise to this forum
B. Create your own forum
C. Stop *****ing at people for trying to contribute what they can.
Stop being a **** just to be a ****. It's not very flattering buckeroo.
Just saying
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He's not contributing ANYTHING though! All he is doing is attention-whoring, and breaking the rules at the same time (projects without any details/screenshots/etc got jdkoreclipse banned).