Hi all,
I have installed the WM6.1 ROM 6.1.2a16CS by C. Shekhar on my qtek2020.
It is very cool and gave a second life to my qtek. I am just a bit surprised by the duration of the main battery. It is running out of bat very fast.
As I haven't used my qtek for month before installing the new ROM, I can't tell if it's a battery problem or because this new ROM is consuming more resources. Have you noticed such behavior on your machines?
For further info I am not using my qtek as cell phone. I am thinking about using it back as a phone, but I have first to fix this battery aspect.
Moreover I have read s/t about a battery fix, that I haven't installed yet. Can s/o tell me more about this fix and what it is doing?
Anyway this ROM is a great one.
Thx for your answers
Marc
I dont know about the battery fix but i have never installed any sort of fix like that either for wm5 or wm6.x. Are you sure there isnt some background process that keeps on continuously running? It could be a battery problem if the battery had discharged alot during the non-operational period. I changed by himas battery about 7-8months back because the last battery had gotten abit too old and was discharging very quickly.
i think you are talking about SD card fix..its a registery fix that makes the battery consumption by SD-card low
well, WM5 and WM6.x IMHO are battery consuming ROMs, i can attest to this,
experiment no. 1:
same xda, same battery (1200mAH original battery)
-with WM2003SE at normal use, XDA turns off approx after 36 hrs of use including standby.
-with WM5 and WM6.x, XDA turns off WM5-18hrs, WM6.x-25hrs of use including standby.
experiment no. 2:
two xda, different OS, both with brand new 3600mAH extended life battery.
in 1 day (at heavy texting use from 7am to 7pm):
WM2003SE XDA2 - battery from 100% to 58%
WM6.X XDA2 - battery from 100% to 35%
possible explanation:
WM6.x (WM5) uses more CPU time and Memory resources, plus it probably uses more power in maintaining the persistent storage, hard and soft reset persistent memory.
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ather90 said:
i think you are talking about SD card fix..its a registry fix that makes the battery consumption by SD-card low
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Ather, is this fix already in all/most recent releases? If not, can you give us a link? Never heard of it.
I have no battery problems, quite the contrary. My battery life is amazing me. To be honest I tweaked a lot when I started using WM6.x, too much to remember, too much to tell you.
but some parts:
I don't need 24/7 phone connection, Phone Alarm takes care of this for me
Use a bare minimum of today plug-ins
Avoid animations
Close programs except when you seriously do need them in the background
Heya Maggy...its long time since i saw u here.. think maybe month
welcome back ny ways
well that fix was in the Imate website..i have it
having some problem attaching on xda : http://www.2shared.com/file/3591354/873d3f18/SD-Card_Patch.html
I have tried a lot of roms,including touch it v4.5,Jack's 3.0,offocial rom R2AA010 and some chinese roms etc .
The battery performance of R2AA010 is the best,much much better the others.
I don't know why,someone says the official rom lower the CPU frequency,but it still runs quite smoothly and fast.
I hope someone would find out the real reason and this power issue can be resolved in new roms.
The batt life for the cooked roms seems abt the same to me...
well, doing my personal testing, I just tested official (R1 and R2) and Jack's 4.0, 4.5 and now 5.0 (waiting till fix'd version to do a batt test) and I just find all version with the same autonomy.
the main thing I see, Is that I don't configure HSDPA connection autodisconnect in advanced settings (so the connnection is keep alive) battery drains much faster (in all roms).
why my battery drained so fast besides the official rom,maybe somewhere default settings are different between the various Roms.
tf3d just needs more cpu power and memory than the usual today screen of the stock roms. this, of course, drains the battery faster.
Battery consume depends only on cpu and memory (flash too) use (and on the radio, but you can't change that), so it is independent from the roms. Of course heavy loaded roms and today plugins use more power, so you decide what is important for you.
chalid said:
tf3d just needs more cpu power and memory than the usual today screen of the stock roms. this, of course, drains the battery faster.
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I also use TF3D
Yes
I agreed. But my big disapointment is the official have a lot of anoying application that I think I can't live with it.
The official ROM cooking might be the good chance.
it's quite surprising me that x1 battery (1500 mAh) performance is not better than TP (1340mAh).
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vibranze said:
it's quite surprising me that x1 battery (1500 mAh) performance is not better than TP (1340mAh).
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TP has only VGA screen while the X1 has WVGA and the higher resolution screen consumes more power. So it's not so surprising
imo, battery life for wm6.5 by itje is the best
official rom lasted me around 2 days or less back then
my battery was only lasting about a day until i changed to Touch-IT by itje and the battery is now 3-4 days depending on use.
my battery life is completely pony
This is something that is a big pain for me - my battery doesn't even last a day using itje's roms (haven't tested others yet)
I think HSDPA/3G has a lot to do with battery drain. The stock rom seems to disconnect it when it's not in use, but checking my phone now, it's been connected 11hours (since I last reset it). I could be wrong with this comment tho as I've not run the stock rom in months.
Have had a poke round the registry and can't find anything that might be a timeout...anyone more knowledgeable about this than me care to chime in?
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This is something that is a big pain for me - my battery doesn't even last a day using itje's roms (haven't tested others yet)
I think HSDPA/3G has a lot to do with battery drain. The stock rom seems to disconnect it when it's not in use, but checking my phone now, it's been connected 11hours (since I last reset it). I could be wrong with this comment tho as I've not run the stock rom in months.
Have had a poke round the registry and can't find anything that might be a timeout...anyone more knowledgeable about this than me care to chime in?
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you can setup a timeout with the "advanced config" application and yes, leaving data connection enabled draws more battery than just letting it connect when needed.
Hello i recently bought an older xperia x1. The problem is that the battery is emty in really shor time (10 hours), so i bought a new one. But the problem is the same.
I tried Kovsky unoff rom, also official rom.
Also tried clean rom with nothing installed and no settings changed, also some power management apps for win mobile.
Everything is turned off, wifi, data connection...
abcPowermeter shows 150mA power consumption, also when display is off.
taskmanager shows only 5-10% CPU usage for gwes.exe, i think thats normal when rendering results from taskmanager and all other CPU is for idle process.
I dunno what to try to solve this problem. Any ideas ?
My guess is you are running an always active program (like an IM program) that is sucking juice.
You may want to do a clean install and run it for a couple of days. See if the problem is your hardware or if it is that some software is the cause.
My battery life has improved from about 11-12 hours to about 48 hours after removing Palringo from my startup folder.
Also you mentioned you tried a clean ROM with no installed programs. If you didn't install any and you consistently have short battery time you have a hardware issue. Do the hard-reset, flash, hard-reset to ensure a clean install. Use a good ROM and do not install any apps. If after 4 days you still have short battery life then either your battery is dying (or generic and bad quality) or you have a hardware fault.
i tried hard-reset, flash, hard-reset. No changes
150ma idle is quite high IMHO. I run a test before because someone question my roms' battery usage and it should be around 80ma idle. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4784976&highlight=battery#post4784976
1. load the same radio.
2. Install Homescreen ++
3. Follow the conditions I tested over that post and see what you got.
Make sure you are in an area with good GSM signal too. Bad signal could lead your phone use a lot more power.
BTW, I found FDC task manager may not report real CPU usage especially if problem with services.exe. Try Memmaid to read CPU usage.
That acbpowermeter is a cool app. I never realized the panel I was using used so much power, and I didn't think having wifi on would consume as much as it did. Right now I'm using the WM6.1 that came with my phone and using the SonyEricsson panel with wifi off, and I'm getting an average of 70-80mA with the display on. Is this a good number?
I was looking into flashing to a 6.5 rom. Would I be getting better or similar battery consumption than the 6.1? If not, I think I'd rather just stay on 6.1 and customize my today screen with some eye candy, etc.
@jackleung
tried your radio with your rom, power consumption is even bigger, than in stock rom
I ran a search on "which ui best battery life" and returned nothing so this is the purpose of this guy
Tried making a poll but perhaps that is an admin ability?
So start throwing some opinions out! I've been running cookies home and gtx cookies home a lot and under medium to heavy use I get 1-2 days worth of battery life. Let's keep our scaling system limited to days and the only other factors we'll include are 2.1/2.5, UI (cookies, gtx cookies, maxmanilla, 2.1 standard, 2.5 standard, etc.), and radio.
Let's also only use this thread for data collecting purposes I'm actually going to collect the data and make some graphs to see if there are any trends happening and share that info with the community.
Here's what I got: 2.5 Cookies Home Radio: 4.49.25.91 = 1.5 days use
You really can't accurately compare UI's that are from different roms... Besides I think it's obvious that Sense and TF3D 2.1 are the best for battery life and memory.
Sorry, but you are not going to get any sort of meaningful comparison unless you have the same usage of the phone between ROMs, e.g. the same number of calls, the same distance from the cell masts (being further away = uses more power), etc, etc.
Sense 2.1 kicks Sense 2.5's butt when talking about battery life. Hands down best battery life. Thats with the auto weather and facebook.
Rofl, compare the resource consumption of TF3D 2.1 to SPB Mobile Shell 3.5.3 build 9885. I average 4-6 megs of RAM usage with three home screens. I get 1-5 days depending on usage (5 when I'm doing stuff that's risky for the phone so I don't bring it ;-) ), but I also use HTC's bigger 2,150 mAH battery. It's the exact same one dougie tested in his battery investigation thread in the Rhodium Accessories forum (I sent him mine to test). It was the only battery to score 100% of rated capacity, and the only way I can kill it in less than a day is by using it as a wifi modem and either torrenting something huge or a very large FTP or HTTP download. Also, several hours of nonstop Garmin will kill it in under a day. But, with about an hour of calls, 100-250 sms, 30-60 minutes of GPS, an hour of wifi, 15-45 minutes of HSDPA, and using GSM/EDGE for everything unless I need to Internet away from WiFi or utilize google maps satellite view for offroad shenanigans I manage 2-3 days on my Tilt 2 with Energy 21905 Titanium, .77 telstra radio, and SPB mobile shell with all my other cabs besides Lumos and Bandswitch installed to microSD.
So yeah, check out dougie's thread. I don't even have to remove and reinsert the battery to utilize the capacity past 1,500 maH like I had to do with offbrand Wizard and Kaiser batteries. It's quite smooth, and the bigger back makes the phone easier to hold. It's still slick, but if you have big hands it makes you feel less likely to drop your phone.
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Rofl, compare the resource consumption of TF3D 2.1 to SPB Mobile Shell 3.5.3 build 9885. I average 4-6 megs of RAM usage with three home screens. I get 1-5 days depending on usage (5 when I'm doing stuff that's risky for the phone so I don't bring it ;-) ), but I also use HTC's bigger 2,150 mAH battery. It's the exact same one dougie tested in his battery investigation thread in the Rhodium Accessories forum (I sent him mine to test). It was the only battery to score 100% of rated capacity, and the only way I can kill it in less than a day is by using it as a wifi modem and either torrenting something huge or a very large FTP or HTTP download. Also, several hours of nonstop Garmin will kill it in under a day. But, with about an hour of calls, 100-250 sms, 30-60 minutes of GPS, an hour of wifi, 15-45 minutes of HSDPA, and using GSM/EDGE for everything unless I need to Internet away from WiFi or utilize google maps satellite view for offroad shenanigans I manage 2-3 days on my Tilt 2 with Energy 21905 Titanium, .77 telstra radio, and SPB mobile shell with all my other cabs besides Lumos and Bandswitch installed to microSD.
So yeah, check out dougie's thread. I don't even have to remove and reinsert the battery to utilize the capacity past 1,500 maH like I had to do with offbrand Wizard and Kaiser batteries. It's quite smooth, and the bigger back makes the phone easier to hold. It's still slick, but if you have big hands it makes you feel less likely to drop your phone.
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not very clear about your content,which one is less battery drain? TF3D 2.1 or SPB Mobile Shell 3.5.3 build 9885?
Also you get 1-5 days usage? 5 days? this is bomb news.......
First of all,let me introduce several mainstream UIs:
+ Titanium (no Sense,no nothing): if you only use titanium,then your phone surely drains least battery,but with titanium,you just cannot organize your phone easily.
some people may install Today addin which allows you to put programs in the desktop,this addin should not cause any more battery drain I suppose.
+ Sense (formerly touchflo 3D): no idea about its battery drain,but i dont use it,because it's not a convenient program,you just cannot cutomize the desktop that much.
+ SPB Mobile Shell : this is the UI I use,without it,I just hate HTC Pro2,very customizable,as for its battery drain,I have not noticed because i dont have a comparison,my personal opinion is that it doesnt drain that much,I saw someone said Sense drains faster than SPB mobile shell.
Anyway I think bettery drain has something to do with your rom, I even created a thread about which roms are least bettery drain,the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=649466
+ WisBar Advance: tried several times,old verisons,newest versions,just cannot work right with HTC Pro2
+ FEWidgets Ultimate: doesnt seems to be fit for HTC Pro2
+ iPhoneToday: this is discovered by me recently,after using it,oh god,it's amazing with almost no battery drain, now it replaced SPB Mobile Shell which was my favorite UI.
PS: other UIs,some guys created XP or VISTA UI for Windows Mobile,but the designers dont seem very serious about it, there is no further devolopment about them,and I tried some of them,looked beautiful,but crappy in practical use.
Ageye is developing Infinity UI, I tried their beta or alpha version,seems very lite and promising,but it is still being developed. their official link:
http://forum.ageye.de/viewforum.php?f=58&sid=af3740ecc9b59c2179473be689ad6b3c
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Sorry, but you are not going to get any sort of meaningful comparison unless you have the same usage of the phone between ROMs, e.g. the same number of calls, the same distance from the cell masts (being further away = uses more power), etc, etc.
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As steviewevie says, this is not possible. Another factor is which radio version you are using. And how your rom is configured. There are just to many variables.
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not very clear about your content,which one is less battery drain? TF3D 2.1 or SPB Mobile Shell 3.5.3 build 9885?
Also you get 1-5 days usage? 5 days? this is bomb news.......
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I was clear about the content, but maybe not to someone that is not a native English speaker. SPB uses fewer resources and in turn uses fewer mAH.
This is very difficult to compare between people - the useage of a phone is one of the biggest denominators of battery charge. So it is easier to compare a certain person with multiple ROMs, rather than different people with different ROMS. But even with the same ROM, different people will have different results. In my daily use of NRG ROM, I can go 3-4 days. That is including hourly updating of my weather (SBSH Pocket Weather), phone calls, and a little bit of internet - Bing or Google maps, primarily.
I believe based on my experience that the following items will affect the length a device charges:
1. Screen. When the screen backlight is on, it really uses current. I use the "automatic" backlight level, and set mine to 30 seconds screen off.
2. 3G use. In general, using the Internet is power consuming, but even when idle, it appears that 3G uses more energy. Many people turn off 3G to conserve battery.
3. There are some advanced tweaks that will enable power saving on the various devices. I use the advanced configuration tool (also included in NRG ROM) to perform these functions. These are found in the Advanced Configuration under "Power Management". I set them all to "enable". Another tweak is to download the HD2Tweaks program - it has a setting to automatically disconnect the internet connection after a certain time.
4. UI of the phone. I have found that basic WM 6.x "Titanium" is basically about as power friendly as it gets. Here is my order IMHO, from most power conserving to most power hungry:
- Titanium / WM 6.5. Keep in mind it depends on what the various Today modules are doing.
- SPB Pocket Plus
- SPB Mobile Shell
- Sense 2.1
- Sense 2.5 (I find this one in particular to be always turning on my internet, I suppose to update the weather tab).
Anyway, those are my .02, err, $$.
I don't automatically update jack sh*t, cruise on EDGE unless I actually need to Internet something with the quickness or RDC into a server, and I use Lumos to manage my backlight. I like it better than HTC's method, and it uses like 300kB of RAM so f*** it. I'm on Energy 21905 Titanium with SPB Mobile Shell, and for me to get 4 days I basically have to baby my phone. 5 days requires me having way too much fun to be bothered by the phone much, and I'm using a verifiable 2,150 mAH battery as opposed to 1500. I'm going to try the Advanced Config power save options right now, but I read somewhere a while back on XDA that some dude checked the "Make Power Best Life Times[sic]" box on some ROM and it actually degraded battery life. Here's to hoping schaps' power miser tweaks make a positive impact.
iPhoneToday is missed here. It has the best battery life other than Titanium.
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iPhoneToday is missed here. It has the best battery life other than Titanium.
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+ iPhoneToday: this is discovered by me recently,after using it,oh god,it's amazing with almost no battery drain, now it replaced SPB Mobile Shell which was my favorite UI.
I use for the most time the old school windows 6.1 (6.5) homescreen with date, calendar, messaging, homescreen plu plus ui, wireless home plugin and some others. this "old" homescreen comes without any animations, you have all your informations and apps on one screen (I use traylaunch too for the apps). It is not spectacular but fast, neatly arranged, and less battery drain. Best for my on my touch pro 2 and on the HD2 also
I am using an ENERGY cooked rom (the opne with the minimal ram usage and better battery life), in Europe (Belgium), i use internet with 3G because i am connected to skypoe and MSN and my battery, which is a 1750 Mh Seido original last maximum 6 to 7 hours !!!
With the original HTC battery, it is a little bit less ...
Any idea which rom will help me have a better battery life ?
Turn down your brightness. Or stop using a data connection constantly. Otherwise there is no way to get better battery life.
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Turn down your brightness. Or stop using a data connection constantly. Otherwise there is no way to get better battery life.
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More cpu usage + more ram usage (I think) takes more power. So the interface you're using will affect battery life. Sense 2.5 with Co0kie's Home Tab is probably the worst for battery life. Windows today screen (not even Titanium, the one before that) is probably the best battery life, but I would NEVER be able to use that
There's a post about battery life in FAQ in energy rom threads I think...
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Or stop using a data connection constantly. Otherwise there is no way to get better battery life.
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Merely leaving your data connection on does not drain your battery. Switching it on and off uses more battery than just letting it stay on. It only consumes more battery when it is actively transferring data. Even with push email it doesn't use the battery except for when it actually downloads a message. This is why you lose a lot of battery in spotty coverage areas and it's constantly attempting to reconnect.
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Merely leaving your data connection on does not drain your battery. Switching it on and off uses more battery than just letting it stay on. It only consumes more battery when it is actively transferring data. Even with push email it doesn't use the battery except for when it actually downloads a message. This is why you lose a lot of battery in spotty coverage areas and it's constantly attempting to reconnect.
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I said, stop USING. I didnt say not to leave it on. It was meant as a reply to the post above mines.
The best way to save battery is turn Updates and ActiveSync off or set it to something like 60 minutes and manual updates for Facebook (if using Sense).
I use the wvga version of "HTC Home" on my TP2,