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[Q]What Do You Want In A ROM?

I'm new to this rom cooking business here so i wanted to see what everyone wanted out of a ROM. I've already made something with the help of all folks on XDA but i'm not sure if this is something i want to release because its not really any different than the roms that are already out there except its probably slower
The idea of this is for everyone to tell me what they want in a rom and maybe some advice in cooking ROMs would be nice.
My Ideas:
1. A lite ROM
2. an SPB ROM (of course you would have bought SPB mobile shell to use this)
3. A touch flo 3d rom (Just because i love itje and chalid's ROMS)

1. Touchflo 3D... that is a MUST for me
2. ALL Microsoft apps included with X1. I lose MS notes program with Xperience
3. ALL included games
4. perhaps a new panel or two
5. instant messaging
6. more stable bluetooth
7. wifi networking / UMA calling
Just things that I would like... not sure how feasible some are, but definitely a wish list.

1. A TF3D version that is capable of handling AVRCP and A2DP correctly!!! (like daran clarkes)
2. Voip

basicly just a fast default ROM without anything special.
so lightweight plx!?
so i can install TF3D instead of manilla (a2dp, seems faster too)

Agreed upon the TF3D..that is deffinatly a must! IN PORTRAIT AND LANDSCAPE
ALL MS Office Apps
All Stock Apps + Additional ones from diff roms
A few new panels
Full QWERTY Keyboard
(Xperice is good, but i dont like the blackstone layout for dialer nor password screen) I like the metal brush look like the stock one had

gregnm369 said:
1. Touchflo 3D... that is a MUST for me
2. ALL Microsoft apps included with X1. I lose MS notes program with Xperience
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Are you talking about One Note? I can definitely add that back. The one i already cooked i removed that too.
3. ALL included games
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By All included games do you mean Sudoku and Bejwelled? I believe they are both shareware... Would anyone be interested in having emulators in there although they don't quite work without the WVGA fix?
4. perhaps a new panel or two
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I had originally removed panles but maybe that is another ROM i will create. One with Panels, One without plus TFL3D and one with Both.
5. instant messaging
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Any objections to Beejive? and fring?
6. more stable bluetooth
7. wifi networking / UMA calling
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These two i have no idea how to fix but i do have a lot of free time

achmed20 said:
basicly just a fast default ROM without anything special.
so lightweight plx!?
so i can install TF3D instead of manilla (a2dp, seems faster too)
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Are you talking about the TF3DBETA2 that is out? Thats the one i'm working off of with adding touchflo3d. Its modded with itje's beautiful touch of blue stuff but i might be changing that all to red. I have to figure out how to edit manila files.

Bxsteez said:
Are you talking about the TF3DBETA2 that is out? Thats the one i'm working off of with adding touchflo3d. Its modded with itje's beautiful touch of blue stuff but i might be changing that all to red. I have to figure out how to edit manila files.
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yep! thats the one im talking about. i read that it has propper a2dp support while the manilla doesnt have. havnt had a chance to test it yet since my car radio got stolen last month
oh and plz ... if there has to be TF3D on teh ROm, DONT mod it with colors. turning the tf3d into blue is easy, but making it black aggain is kinda impossible cause i havnt found the darn skin/cab for it yet.

Hmmm well thats interesting. I was going to make it similar to itje's touch of blue but i was going to make it red but you have a valid point. I'll release those as cabs if i can find a free cab creation program.

I agree with the OP on his first suggestion;
A lite rom for each WM build, with updated drivers/tweaks and a selection of cabs for commonly used applications so we can pick and choose what we install.
I don't much like TF3D or Panels, I prefer SPB applications (low resource use and better customisation, IMHO).
Of course "tweaks and drivers" can sometimes be a matter of opinion, but as far as ROMs go I'd like any available choice to be mine. So if there's a choice between two or more Ati driver dlls, for example, to provide the ddls for download to be installed at the user's discretion.
Even an untweaked lite ROM for each WM build would be good, so we can experiment with tweaks and configuration as we see fit.

Whoa for each WM build? There are hundreds of builds out there. I will update the builds as i find out about them but i don't think i'll be cooking a ROM for each build out there. I think i'm going to start with a lite rom.
Question to all. Do you want panel manager installed so you have the flexibility to install the panels or just blank. If i don't install panels i'm going to try and remap the the panel buttion to a start button.

Bxsteez said:
Whoa for each WM build? There are hundreds of builds out there. I will update the builds as i find out about them but i don't think i'll be cooking a ROM for each build out there. I think i'm going to start with a lite rom.
Question to all. Do you want panel manager installed so you have the flexibility to install the panels or just blank. If i don't install panels i'm going to try and remap the the panel buttion to a start button.
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Panels are cool IMHO

I would love to see a rom that is as close to stock as possible regarding content.
A stock rom with tweaked settings for performance. No added programs (such as TF3D, games, plugins, apps etc.)
Then provide links to cab files containing new apps and so on.
Etc. a cab for TF3D, cab for Blackstone Dialer, cab for Blackstone keyboard and so on.
That way people can install those seperately and get their phone 100% like they want it.
The main problem with most roms is that people do not want all of it so by making a single clean stock rom containing only updated apps, drivers and tweaks and then making cab files available that would certainly make more users switch.

Amplificator said:
I would love to see a rom that is as close to stock as possible regarding content.
A stock rom with tweaked settings for performance. No added programs (such as TF3D, games, plugins, apps etc.)
Then provide links links to cab files containing new apps and so on.
Etc. a cab for TF3D, cab for Blackstone Dialer, cab for Blackstone keyboard and so on.
That way people can install those seperately and get their phone 100% like they want it.
The main problem with most roms is that people do not want all of it so by making a single clean stock rom containing only updated apps, drivers and tweaks and then making cab files available that would certainly make more users switch.
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Agreed 100%.

I hope you make a basic tweaked rom where you can add or remove your cabs. so you can easily update de progs by uninstall the old cab and replace it with the new version.

I'm going to start working on a Lite ROM tonight when i get home. I'm going to try a performance tweak that i've done before..... Hopefully i don't brick my phone

As many of those who responded:
- TF3D
- All stock apps* (Yes, i want OneNote, i use it at work and it is great)
- All stock games*
- to be stable enough, to use for few months without worrying about flashing again..
*about stock apps and games, it is ok also to remove them from the ROM but at least provide them as cabs.

basically a FAST rom, these little devices are nice, but the small lags are quite annoying when you are in a hurry (like when you slide the keyboard to write someone s name to cal them but then you slide it back because you want to phone without the keyboard extended)

I'd agree on most points!
A great idea to start cooking
I think it would be pretty neat if you could cook a rom with all the stuff (TF3D, panels manager and so on) but make the apps uninstallable, if possible and please please please leave the tf3d in black I just love the whole stuff on may phone in black!
p.s.: did you see the ripped max 4G contacts app? its much better than the htc and windows one. I installed it today and its really smooth!
Thanks in advance!

You have a problem with the speed of the screen rotation? I haven't seen this on any of the roms i've used with the exception of my current one lol.. but i think i screwed something up.

Is there still interest in lite ROMs?

I ask because I've been working on a superlite ROM for a few weeks, and while I'm all for the idea of having a ROM that is just a platform for doing things with the maximum of speed and the minimum of fuss, I don't know if you guys are. Judging by the ROMs being released and the ROMs that people rave about, it seems not. If it turns out that you guys are interested, I'll put more effort into developing and make it public as soon as I have something worthy of competing with the range here.
Let me know what you think.

And I should ask as well, my concept ROM is basically based around the premise that
1) Everything apart from basic phone functions and essentials should be optional, with the ROM being as close to a blank slate as is reasonable
2) Everything should be doable within as few button pushes as possible
3) The OS should barely even feature, so no elaborate and animations, just straight forward basic and fast functionality
That's the sort of stuff that, to me, would make a perfect ROM. What would you guys want in a lite ROM? How would you want something new to differ from the lite ROMs of old?

A lite rom always is good for speed and performance an maybe even battery life. Though you have to add t3d to it, since it's the only thing that keeps me away from digging to deep into the wimo user interface, wich is so frustrating at times.

Yeah i like the idea of a lite rom, but then it kind of makes you think what's the point in getting a phone such as the X1 if you only want it to only do things nokias could do 10 years ago! And then you have to think, what's bare minimum? just phone? but camera too? and internet? and the extra keyboards so people can use it easily? and the themes so it doesn't look crap? and then T3d so you can actually easily use it without a stylus?
Don't get me wrong i think it is an awesome idea, and would be helpful, i just think it would be incredibly hard to please everyone!

yes i like the idea too..because a lite rom is much faster than a normal and if you need something you can install it later. but in the "FULL" roms there are a lot of things that you wont use etc.
it would very nice if someone could make a lite rom from wm6.5 2303*(or higher) :$
and sorry for my english ... i am hungarian

I am very interested in a lite WM 6.5 rom which has no extra applications added and is just basic and simple 6.5. However i do agree with hyellow with the Touchflo 3d, i do like the TF3D interface, i would like a rom which is basic WM 6.5 with a simple TF3D 2 interface.

i feel like there's plenty of TF3D roms out now, incl. lite TF3D, so a rom without TF3D would be great! i agree with your point 2- as few button presses as possible, that's why i love spb pocket plus and ms3- very customisable
i'm using norti's lite rom now, and even though it hasn't been developed in a while, it's fast, stable and dependable, just how a lite rom should be. i've customised it perfectly to my needs, and although i flash interesting roms, i always go back to nortis lite
i've tried 6.5lite roms too, and all seem slower than 6.1 lites. 6.1 is my preference until 6.5 bugs/ speed improves
as for suggestions/ what i would like;
- is it possible to use 'extendir'? if it works, performance gains could be big?
- include graphics drivers of some sort
- enable UC
- optimise some programs (like opera with ramdisc)
- speed/ memory tweaks
the lite roms of old are very sound, so i don't think it need differ much, maybe just update it when new builds are released?
As you can probably tell i'm very keen for a new lite rom! So thanks for asking opinions, and good luck with it, I look forward to it!

I would thoroughly enjoy a lite rom, please share
which build are you currently using on your rom?
mobilevu also has a lite rom, although he hasn't updated in awhile (doesn't mean it isn't good!)

JackyBoy said:
Yeah i like the idea of a lite rom, but then it kind of makes you think what's the point in getting a phone such as the X1 if you only want it to only do things nokias could do 10 years ago! And then you have to think, what's bare minimum? just phone? but camera too? and internet? and the extra keyboards so people can use it easily? and the themes so it doesn't look crap? and then T3d so you can actually easily use it without a stylus?
Don't get me wrong i think it is an awesome idea, and would be helpful, i just think it would be incredibly hard to please everyone!
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Something I've got a severely bad habit of doing is writing a line in a post, and then editing it out with the intnetion of putting it back somehwere where it fits in better, but then forgetting to completely, and then finding myself wondering why people are contradicting what I said. I really have to stop it
Anyway, what I meant to put in my post was that my plan for the ROM is to bundle with it an installer app that installs apps in the same way that you'd maybe install components of something like MS Office or of a codec pack, where you just select the bits you want with a series of tickboxes, and the hit OK and wait ten minutes while the installer puts in everything you want. So, in its default state, the ROM would come simply with enough to do just phone, sms, and phonebook, and everything else would be an optional extra, camera and internet and the like inclusive. There'd actually be some pretty nifty advantages to doing it that way, since besides the obvious speed advantage, it'd mean that you'd be able to more-or-less customise the ROM to use whatever components you like. ie, it might all look like this:
--- Camera app
[ ] Omit
[o] Rhodium R3A cam (fastest load times)
[ ] HTC cam (slower to load, tap autofocus)
[ ] Made-up 3rd party camera app (etc)
--- Internet Browser
[ ] None
[x] Iris
[x] Opera 9.7b with onscreen keyboard
[ ] Opera 9.7b without onscreen keyboard
[x] Internet Explorer
--- Media Players
[x] None
[ ] Windows Media Player
[ ] Nitro
And so on, if that makes any sense. The other big advantage to doing it that way would be that apps wouldn't have to be bundled with the ROM, which means far less frequent ROM updates needed. Just the installer bundle app might need an update maybe once every few weeks or so, and then all's cool.
But it's all pretty much theory, curiosities, and pages of my notepad right now with only some basic rough builds knocked together, so I want to hear more thoughts from yourself and everyone else.

dhiral.v said:
I am very interested in a lite WM 6.5 rom which has no extra applications added and is just basic and simple 6.5. However i do agree with hyellow with the Touchflo 3d, i do like the TF3D interface, i would like a rom which is basic WM 6.5 with a simple TF3D 2 interface.
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Personally, I can't stand TF3D. I still don't understand why it's so popular, but then, I'm not going to argue with you guys, and I'll put the graft in and aim make it an option on the installer app for you.

I read people discusing TF3D. If you want to built a lite rom you don't wanna put TF3D in it. i have currently wm6.5. and did som ram usage tests with home screens.
if you use TF3D the ram usage at cold start is 50% (that is very high for me)
the standard wm6.5 home is arround 36% ram usage
and if you don't use any home plugin (the old way) the ram usage is around 34%
so i suggest if its gonna be a wm6.5 lite version stick with the wm6.5 home.
And use R3 software from kovsky itself not to much from rhodium. the only things i like from fhodium are the volume control and the top bar tap that shows info. the rest isn't needed. for browser take the standard opera that comes with x1 for the zoom with volume buttons it makes zooming much easiyer. and don't put any extra software let users install there own software.
things that could be removed:
1. messenger
2. Windows live
3. widgets
4. IE
Try to not remove to much base software that makes the phone unstable and some functionalitys don't work anymore.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=547502
as per the above thread it seems 6.1 is the way to go still. the screenshots i've seen of the new 6.5 builds look good with the 'ok' button at the bottom, but 6.5 seems a step back. the start menu is just horrible, and the home screen doesn't make much sense to me.
i just flashed jack's rom, it's ram usage is 26%, and 29% with mobile shell 3, which isn't bad
the installer app is an excellent idea, that would top UC

for me what i'd like in a rom is manila default (remove titanium)
with panels
thats it...
maybe latest opera 9.7b with all the links in manila fixed up ^^

Personally,
I like just basic fuctionality (usual stable base) and a choice of Touch Flo or Titanium, because at the end of the day, we can get a cab file for everything else cant we? Microsoft MyPhone for online backup/sms or PimBackup or Sprite?
Google maps, facebook, opera, clean ram, iPlayer, and even windows live, why bloat the rom with software that many people dont use?
I like windows media player, but apart from that, i like having to install only what i need to a rom. Also, specifically to the Xperia X1, why do some ROM's have finger keyboard? We have a keyboard! lol, and if the Rom is good enough, screen rotation is pretty instant.
Also, with less programs included, we can install more to the card, leaving more free space on the phone.

note sometimes if core files are removed... the .cab install file wont work
have noted some roms having issues with wlmessenger because it was removed completely...

i got 2 kind of phone.. 1 is for daily call n sms.. xperia is for multi tasking.. so, my xperia never install lite rom b4 wan..sorry..

therealreddavid said:
Personally, I can't stand TF3D. I still don't understand why it's so popular, but then, I'm not going to argue with you guys, and I'll put the graft in and aim make it an option on the installer app for you.
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I think that manila makes WM much more interesting and is a good interface to have on top of WM. I suppose when you come to releasing the rom you can release two versions, one with manila and one without manila.

@therealreddavid
no pressure(!), but how's progress on the rom going?

therealreddavid said:
And I should ask as well, my concept ROM is basically based around the premise that
1) Everything apart from basic phone functions and essentials should be optional, with the ROM being as close to a blank slate as is reasonable
2) Everything should be doable within as few button pushes as possible
3) The OS should barely even feature, so no elaborate and animations, just straight forward basic and fast functionality
That's the sort of stuff that, to me, would make a perfect ROM. What would you guys want in a lite ROM? How would you want something new to differ from the lite ROMs of old?
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Oh and put in 'extendir' and the 3d drivers/tweaks
just STRIP EVERY THING that isnt neccesarry we can find our cabs if needed

I am big fan of lite builds! I rather have base OS on which needed apps can be added. For example I don't like TF3D that much, I am bigger fan of the Titanium interface (seems lighter too).
The ideal rom for me would consist of the base which WM has + some extra stuff like dev certs, .NET3.5, Java VM. And everything else is add-able by a CAB file.
I am eager to see the ROM you are working on!

Looking for a specific sort of ROM...

Searching appears to have failed me, but I'm looking for a up to date, optimized (recent drivers etc), Manila/Sense LACKING 6.1 ROM for the Xperia.
Could anyone provide some guidance with that? I can't really find any
EDIT: To clarify, thats a Windows Mobile 6.1 ROM without manila or sense UI

Maybe you should look at the forum? Searching specific terms won't give any good results back.. These roms basically plague the forum, i dont know how you could not find ANY
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=562935
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=568918
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524043
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=564028
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=588882
And that's just the first page

6.1, not 6.5 I'm aware of the huge amounts of 6.5 ROMs

Bad grammar is bad
Even if there's manila/sense, you dont have to enable them.. no different tbh
check here
Touch-IT v16 with winmo 6.1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=575329
List of stock roms with link somewhere http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475482

Hi,
I can maybe try to cook something like that for you... you want other apps included (youtube, facebook, etc.) or totally clean?
Do you want X1 panel manager installed? Any X1 panels?
Will post a link here if I get it cooked...
-Oobly

the stock roms aren't too bad, but i can only think of two 6.1 roms without manilla/ sense;
norti nx1i 1.04
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=478022
i've used this and can recommend it
bxsteez lite 1.05
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475083
otherwise, as mentioned it could be worth trying some of the established 6.1 touchflo roms and just disable touchflo. 'pctech4u' and 'touch x' come to mind. check out the rom library, ther might be more

I am on an own-cooked ROM which I can upload for you, or anybody else.
WM6.1 build 21051, no manila, no panels, some little apps that are useful for me and some selected HTC staff like enlarge start menu, volume control, FM-radio etc
I am using it for the last 2 months and it's very fast and stable. Perfect for SPB MS users.
I cannot provide any support though. No much time. Normally you won't need any.

Typako said:
I am on an own-cooked ROM which I can upload for you, or anybody else.
WM6.1 build 21051, no manila, no panels, some little apps that are useful for me and some selected HTC staff like enlarge start menu, volume control, FM-radio etc
I am using it for the last 2 months and it's very fast and stable. Perfect for SPB MS users.
I cannot provide any support though. No much time. Normally you won't need any.
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Hey that'd be great

So, here is the dl link:
http://rapidshare.com/files/317757034/Typako_21051_r3a_v1.0_nopanel_WWE_generic.rar
Hope you enjoy it.
As everyone here says, hardspl your device first and flash at your own risk.

Can any Kaiser veterans suggest some software?

Hi.
I have a HTC TyTN II and would love to nail down what software I should use, and if any of you pros could help me out I would really appreciate it.
My goal is to run the latest [stable/fast] Windows mobile 6.5 release with the highest functioning Android build on top.
From what i've seen my choice is this ROM: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618767 - ahmedfikry wm6.5 light rom v28217
From the thread it seems there aren't any glaring bugs. This is the latest WM build correct? What is the difference between the 23XXX and 28XXX branches of WM 6.5?
I notice it's a 'light' build which is fine - can you suggest any 'must have' or 'replacement' apps that would improve usability? EG; TouchFLO, a utility to access more settings, a replacement browser[Skyfire/Opera], a utility that automatically closes open programs, program to save battery life - anything like that - I want to avoid 'bloat' like some 'loaded' ROMs have and not have useless duplicate programs, speed and usability is preferred over eye candy [the exception being any great games that run on kaiser ]
Any suggestion on a GPS software that does not require a data plan? I may be limited since i only have a 2GB SD card.
And as far as ANDROID goes I believe i'm looking at the DONUT builds since I want sleep/camera/wifi (don't care about bluetooth) - [is DONUT the build with the most functions?] - which is the 'fastest' / 'lightest' of the DONUT builds that still has the highest amount of features working?
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=587116 - Hero blend?
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=613049 - Tattoo?
I apologize in advance if any of my questions were very nooblike, but thank you for your patience!

Moved as not ROM Development.

Thank you for moving my thread to the appropriate subforum, I had posted in the ROM section as I had assumed that most cooks and those familiar with ROM quirks would be browsing that section and be able to answer the questions I had.

This ties in loosely with what I was going to ask, so I'll reply as well. I just inherited a TyTn II from work, needed constant recalibration so I don't know if it has a hardware or a software fault. Software is easier to fix, I just want to throw on a base package with a good app selection. My ideal is to keep it as fast as it can be.
As I understand it, the Kaiser/TyTn II doesn't have enough grunt to run WiMo 6.5 OR Android 2.1 at an acceptable level. Is this correct? From what I have seen, all the cool stuff doesn't yet work on Android, any version. If I wanted to develop for the project, then I'd put Android on, but I want my phone to "just work"... well, as well as a WiMo phone can.
I'm willing to accept WiMo 6.1, maybe with skinning, etc.. heck it's a free phone, just needs a battery, stylus, and maybe a new digitizer and interpreter board(whatever that bit is called). For me and what I do, I'd be after the following stuff:
video/audio player
SSH/PuTTy type shell access
RDP/VNC
GPS mapping, turn by turn stuff
Facebook/Twitter integration/applications
Don't know if any/all of this stuff is included in any of the baked ROM's out there... Have I just missed a nice table of each available ROM, and what it has to offer?

Does Win6.5 / Android really take more horse power?
If so I may consider the latest 'official' 6.1 ROM - but i was hoping that 6.5 actually would be optimized/improved for performance over 6.1.

Here is the deal with WM 6.5 and Android. The Kaiser is an old phone, 2+ years since release, but that translates to 10+ in phone years. There are no " official upgrades " nor will there be. The Kaiser was left behind by the Raphael and even more now by the Rhodium.
All the 6.5 and Android roms on this site are all " cooked " (hacked ) roms , cooked up by various chefs here at XDA. They have taken dumped roms from other phones and have taken out the crap and have added better features . They are faster by virtue of less carrier and HTC crap in them. But they are still " hacked " versions and need to be considered beta versions.
First your phone has to be unlocked and Spl'd. " Jailbroken " if that iis a more familiar term. And then reflashed with the rom of your choice.
Android will not run on the Kaiser, a hacked version must be run off of a partitioned SD card and on top of WM, so naturally it runs a a high resource cost and very tenuously at best.
There are some very nice, fast and stable roms out there to run after you have unlocked your phone, that blow the doors off of any " official " rom. Check the rom dev page for roms with features and looks that interest you. And check peoples signatures for what people are running.
I use stylez black v4 for my everyday rom and jjblasters 6.5 rom when I want to run a " hey look at me and my cool 6.5.3 rom running on a Kaiser " rom

My TyTN II is an unlocked version (from Taiwan) - and i've already experimented with flashing ROM's successfully - just looking what software to choose for my 'final build'
It was my impression that ANDROID didn't run on TOP of WM but was bootloaded from within WM and afterwards WM would be closed? Is this incorrect?
What is the difference between the 23XXX and 28XXX branches of WM 6.5?
Any popular or recommended 'lite' UC packs?

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aznphatb0i said:
My TyTN II is an unlocked version (from Taiwan) - and i've already experimented with flashing ROM's successfully - just looking what software to choose for my 'final build'
It was my impression that ANDROID didn't run on TOP of WM but was bootloaded from within WM and afterwards WM would be closed? Is this incorrect?
What is the difference between the 23XXX and 28XXX branches of WM 6.5?
Any popular or recommended 'lite' UC packs?
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Hey, I can confirm that the 1.6 build is stable and working wine, and yes it boots from the sd card. I have a class 4 card 2gb and it is quite smooth, but they do recommend a class 6 card. So for me there is no performance issue.
As to the wm 6.5 question: I have ahmedfikry's light rom with Opera added, and it is smooth, fast, nice and all that jazz. No worries, the difference between 23xxx and 28xxx i do not know.
Best of luck, much fun to be had.

aznphatb0i said:
It was my impression that ANDROID didn't run on TOP of WM but was bootloaded from within WM and afterwards WM would be closed? Is this incorrect?
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Regarding the abouve question - so I think I am going to 'SD' install Android Polymod 'on top' of ahmedfikry wm6.5 [unless you suggest another ROM meeting my needs] (I don't want to NAND Android until all the features I want are working flawlessly)
There is no speed difference in OS operation between SD an NAND install besides initial boot time correct?
How would you choose to switch between the OS when you have WinMo + an SD Android Installation?
And again any recommendations for a nice UCPack that won't sacrifice any speed / add duplicate functionality bloat?

I've been doing nothing but testing different roms and androids for my Kaiser for the past few days.
Ive also tried both SD and NAND install of Android (polymod).
But I must say that it runs much faster on NAND than SD. (Dunno if my SD card is just slow or not. 4 gb.)
Right now I am using HyperDragon 6.5, Im quite impressed by it.
(This is for all android builds I could find: )
But I do indeed enjoy Android more, but I got some big problems with it.
The battery was drained so much quicker + didn't show real battery status.
And I had various luck dialing. Sometimes it just wouldn't work, which was why I changed back to Winmo.
I haven't tested polymod 2.1d on sd, but its 2x faster with polymod 2.1d on nand than polymod 2.1g on SD.
The one who performed best was Warm Donut, but lacked some stuff.
The battery time was about the same with power savings on. Poor.
Lacking the ability to dial with Android made me change, but I enjoy the OS more than WinMo.
My next phone will be with Android, but thats going to take some time.

hello aznphatb0i
thanks for your message
Kaiser can run wm 6.5 great after being "unlocked" to flash cooked roms
my roms here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618767
i keep cooking the newest & update the links there
are the newest from COM 5 branch with finger friendly user interface (larger bottom bar with start flag on bottom left)
latest now is 23563
there are other COM branchs out there, but i do not cook them, some cause bugs..others from COM2 are new with small bottom bar (older look) but i do not cook them because i like the interface of COM 5 better
My roms are "light" to be fastest & allow most free space.. all additional applications to be added by cabs according to user prefernce
all the links for the cabs & what they do are in the first post in my thread
as for GPS, i use TOM TOM & iGo 8 ...both run fine & loaded on 2 GB card
I do not have much to say about Android, i like windows OS...when Andriod is perfected later I may consider looking into it
if you like my work & appreciate the time & effort i put into this...please DONATE by clicking the link below in my signature
hope this helps

Parental guidance for new rom required

i just got a x1. These are the details:
OS version
5.2.28008
manilla version
2.1.19202517.0
rom version
1.05.931.21 WWE
Radio version
1.14.25.15
im happy with the interface. but i find a bit slow and pulling when operating. my display keyboard acts weird from time to time and program to program. my sliding keyboard cannot be used on opera. it changes tab after typing a letter. i cant add favourites on opera.
So i need a better rom. what are my options ?
- is there wm7 available for x1 ?
- can u suggest me the best roms available in wm6.5 ?
- what is the speciality of the "generic" roms ? why should i use that ?

warea said:
i just got a x1. These are the details:
OS version
5.2.28008
manilla version
2.1.19202517.0
rom version
1.05.931.21 WWE
Radio version
1.14.25.15
im happy with the interface. but i find a bit slow and pulling when operating. my display keyboard acts weird from time to time and program to program. my sliding keyboard cannot be used on opera. it changes tab after typing a letter. i cant add favourites on opera.
So i need a better rom. what are my options ?
- is there wm7 available for x1 ?
- can u suggest me the best roms available in wm6.5 ?
- what is the speciality of the "generic" roms ? why should i use that ?
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so it's a used x1 that already has a custom rom on
1. no, only up to wm6.5.x builds as of now
2. no, as I don't have an idea what you want from that rom (speed, eyecandy, smoothness, latest tech, cooked in apps,...?) and what your core areas of usage will be; I like to advice on reading the first post of rom threads you might like, there you find what the chef is cooking for and cooking with, get some screen shots and a general impression; then try some and decide for yourself, best way, believe me
3. they are faster as they are only wm6.1, nothing ported from other devices (like e.g. wm6.5), no (or little) apps cooked in,... not much to play with either
cheers