Hi there, I have just gotten myself a HTC Dream(Singtel) and I want to upgrade my firmware to Cyanogenmod. May I know how do I go about doing it?
Do I first root my phone first or what?
Sorry, a very noob user here.
yea your probly gonna get bashed for writing a new topic for that, and read the 1st 2 threads, ALL the info for whatever you need is there.....[run away there coming]
bronxknight28 said:
yea your probly gonna get bashed for writing a new topic for that, and read the 1st 2 threads, ALL the info for whatever you need is there.....[run away there coming]
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thats right mate and theis fellow put htis in dev instead of q N a
he is right
this is a dev zone go to this link and google
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=567610
and go to his wiki it will tell you how if you have the g1 from google is is all ready root
wow ! This is a record ! 20 mins and no one has bashed the starter of this thread? Lmao !
Its all good though man.. just read up on ROOT, SPLS and Requirements.. if you read the guide on how to root your phone, you SHOULD be up and running the latest cyanogen mod rom within the next half an hour.. be sure to READ the directions carefully.. and if your not sure about something, scroll through some of the posts in the thread.. 9 xs out of 10 someone has asked your question, and has received an answer... if there are too many pages to read, like let's say maybe 40 or more, jus go to google, and search for your problem.. this site plus some others may pop up and offer you some help.. good luck and welcome to the community !
bryant_16 said:
Hi there, I have just gotten myself a HTC Dream(Singtel) and I want to upgrade my firmware to Cyanogenmod. May I know how do I go about doing it?
Do I first root my phone first or what?
Sorry, a very noob user here.
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go to youtube in a few days and check out emogamers tag and in a few days or so he'll have my videos of everything but there are alot of things to do already
Moved to Q&A section
let's be helpfull....
Follow these tutorials... 1 at a time:
1. Root: http://www.myhangoutonline.com/tutorials/g1/how-to-root-your-g1
2. Upgrade Recovery, Radio & SPL: http://www.myhangoutonline.com/tutorials/g1/upgrade-your-g1-recovery-image-radio-and-spl
Once you're done with that... you can go find a ROM you like and flash it... Enjoy!
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I am browsing this forum all morning, now is 3 P.M.
I tried to install one from "shogunr125" that has everything including touch flo but id doesn't work, I hope to hear from him to explain why it doesn't work. If not, can someone give me a link to some other version of Win 6.5 pleeeeaseee... And instructions ofcorse
Thanx a lot.
kingkomarac said:
I am browsing this forum all morning, now is 3 P.M.
I tried to install one from "shogunr125" that has everything including touch flo but id doesn't work, I hope to hear from him to explain why it doesn't work. If not, can someone give me a link to some other version of Win 6.5 pleeeeaseee... And instructions ofcorse
Thanx a lot.
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Excuse me, am I blind. How much WM6.5 Roms are you seen here in this Xperia Tread. Do you have a X1 ?
Sounds like someone who does not apply hardSPL to his X1 before trying to flash a cooked rom...
"it doesn't work"
doesn't tell us how to help you!
Jonny4911 said:
"it doesn't work"
doesn't tell us how to help you!
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Come on guys, a new user ....... let's try to give him a hand:
1. READ the fist xperia thread.
2. READ the second xperia thread.
3. etc etc
Basicaly: install hard spl (hard spl is the pretection against flashing these roms)
Find a rom that you like (most of them have few screenshots in the thread) and flash.
Enjoy. Or flash the next one.
Simple i guess ........ but remember ..... READ the threads. Will give you all the ideas you need.
G.
Wheal I have read them... but don't get it really, and yes, I have X1 for a long time... Since it is out there and wanted to update it. I tried to install from that guy as I said but it doesn't go...
I know You probably don't wanna spend your time helping me "noob" but please, how can I do it? I read everything but there is just so many things to do that I get lost... If any possibility that someono wants to help me out and put on my X1 I would like that very much.
The post just above yours details the procedure, and if you look at the stickies, the apps you need are there.
1) Install HardSPL
2) Flash ROM
3) Steal underpants
4) ???
5) Profit!
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Wheal I have read them... but don't get it really, and yes, I have X1 for a long time... Since it is out there and wanted to update it. I tried to install from that guy as I said but it doesn't go...
I know You probably don't wanna spend your time helping me "noob" but please, how can I do it? I read everything but there is just so many things to do that I get lost... If any possibility that someono wants to help me out and put on my X1 I would like that very much.
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1st question, have u installed hardspl? Yes or No?
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1st question, have u installed hardspl? Yes or No?
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NO.
I can't find it. I searched for that "hardspl" and can't find it.
OK. I'd like to be tolerant and helpful but are you that stupid? WTF there are tonnes of stickies at the top of this forum. Here is the direct link to the HardSPL thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=431218
Read it, understand it and come back if it still doesn't work AFTER YOU HAVE READ IT.
There's even a video on youtube of the whole process somewhere.
Damn, so many threads lately of people asking to be spoonfed information that's CLEARLY AVAILABLE. Stop being lazy.
tof9 said:
OK. I'd like to be tolerant and helpful but are you that stupid? WTF there are tonnes of stickies at the top of this forum. Here is the direct link to the HardSPL thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=431218
Read it, understand it and come back if it still doesn't work AFTER YOU HAVE READ IT.
There's even a video on youtube of the whole process somewhere.
Damn, so many threads lately of people asking to be spoonfed information that's CLEARLY AVAILABLE. Stop being lazy.
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Ok, I'm sorry that it seems this way, but I really have read lots of things, I'm not stupid or lazy, I really read loads of posts but didn't find this one.
Ok, later I'll try. So basically what I need to do is run 1st this "X1_HardSPL_v1.zip" content and than after that is finished I have to run for example "WM65_ROM_X1i_23060_SB12_Sonblack" rom and that is it.
I'm asking so much questions so that I don't do harm to my device.
Thanx.
If you don`t understand the post from Hard-SPL and flashing roms, plz. let it be. You crash your famous X1. Stand by your WM6 original SE X1 Rom.
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Ok, I'm sorry that it seems this way, but I really have read lots of things, I'm not stupid or lazy, I really read loads of posts but didn't find this one.
Ok, later I'll try. So basically what I need to do is run 1st this "X1_HardSPL_v1.zip" content and than after that is finished I have to run for example "WM65_ROM_X1i_23060_SB12_Sonblack" rom and that is it.
I'm asking so much questions so that I don't do harm to my device.
Thanx.
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Yes you're right. You have to install the hard-spl first and after that you can flash an custom rom to your phone.
killer8nl said:
Yes you're right. You have to install the hard-spl first and after that you can flash an custom rom to your phone.
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Thanx, I'll try that. And I'll put here an outcome.
I think I get it now.
I just got a G1 and I rooted it to RC-29.
I'm very new to any of this hacking stuff and I have no idea what to do next. My guess is that I need to update to RC-33 and/or firmware 1.5? Along with installing the multi touch and things like that...?
I've read up on some information and JesusFrekes or something like that used to have a lot of updates for the rooted G1, unfortunately all the download links on his site don't work so I have no idea where to go from here... Can anyone tell me what I should do?
look in androidandme.com or google rc-33 and g1 rooting and stuff, idk
If you have root now, you can flash the newest cyanogen rom. check out the cyanogen thread in dream development. JF isn't updating roms anymore. Without danger/death/haykuro special spl (search it in these forums), and seeing as how you are new to this I suggest cyanogen ROMS are your best bet Also check out www.cyanogenmod.com and the cyanogenmod wiki.
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I just got a G1 and I rooted it to RC-29.
I'm very new to any of this hacking stuff and I have no idea what to do next. My guess is that I need to update to RC-33 and/or firmware 1.5? Along with installing the multi touch and things like that...?
I've read up on some information and JesusFrekes or something like that used to have a lot of updates for the rooted G1, unfortunately all the download links on his site don't work so I have no idea where to go from here... Can anyone tell me what I should do?
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It sounds like you have very little clue what you're doing. Check out the links in my sig. Read. Then come back and ask questions.
i have NO idea one what to do...
ALL i have on my g1 is the rooted RC-29, i WOULD LIKE to update it along with the firmware but i have no idea where to start. ill try your links in your sig and I'll post further if i dont understand...
willLEEum said:
i have NO idea one what to do...
ALL i have on my g1 is the rooted RC-29, i WOULD LIKE to update it along with the firmware but i have no idea where to start. ill try your links in your sig and I'll post further if i dont understand...
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Depends... do you want a modded-roooted ROM or do you want an official update?
from one noob to another
willLEEum said:
i have NO idea one what to do...
ALL i have on my g1 is the rooted RC-29, i WOULD LIKE to update it along with the firmware but i have no idea where to start. ill try your links in your sig and I'll post further if i dont understand...
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hi there. i highly suggest that you follow previously posted suggestions. as you can see, this is my very first message to post on this forum and i have been a member for over 2 years. i have had my dream/G1 for almost a year now. in that time span, i have gained root access, flashed a couple of haykuro's builds, flashed jesusfreke's ROM, disappeared for awhile, came back, couldn't find jesusfreke anymore. after doing some research, i discovered the genius cyanogen and flashed his ROM, and then another, and then another, until i am finally currently running the 4.2.2 version. i did all of this without knowing a thing about linux and without any hacking or programming skills. i did all of this simply by reading, researching, reading, googling, reading, reading, and more reading. i promise you, everything that you need to know - guides for noobs with step by step instructions - are here in this forum. once you find these guides, try them them out, step by step. if you hit a snag, or something goes wrong, re-read the instructions to make sure you followed them exactly. if you think you did, search for the error that you stumbled upon. i'm going to go out on a limb and say that i'm 100% positive that someone else has had the same problem and it has already been solved and someone else has probably written a guide for the next noob to read once he/she comes across the same error. but he/she just has to find said guide! once you search and find this guide, follow the instructions, if you do not understand something or simply cannot, i mean simply cannot find an answer or help to solve your problem, then i suggest you resort to asking a question. but, only as a last resort.
but, it has been my personal experience that everything i have needed has been either at this forum or found through google search. these developers have not only made me love my phone once again by developing such sweet ROMs, but they even wrote up some very easy to follow guides for the newbies so even we can enjoy them too!
so: research, read, follow instructions exactly as they say, only ask questions if you seriously cannot find the answer after doing some serious serious research, then proceed to flash your phone. hell...if this math lovin' accountant girl here can do it, i'm sure anyone can! but only after hours and hours and pages and pages of reading and researching.
p.s. the very first sticky in this q&a forum shows you what to do: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=563679
I Just Wanna Do Thiis Noob ?? If i Root My g1 Do I Have to activate It Again Cuz I dont HAve Data PLan ?
MrDash said:
I Just Wanna Do Thiis Noob ?? If i Root My g1 Do I Have to activate It Again Cuz I dont HAve Data PLan ?
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Reallly....?
First off, this isn't even the right spot. Move to the Q&A section.
Second, use the SEARCH button.
I'm sure this has been answered several times.
wrong section
this question has been answered a million times if you just search
im in a good mood from beer so all i will say is this:
if you are rooted you dont even need to activate with most roms (and you can do it when you have wifi access)
next time, QUESTIONS GO IN THE QnA SECTION....cmon...is it really THAT difficuly?
just noticed from your signature that you are the idiot who asked us to magically improve your signal the other night
STOP POSTING IN THE WRONG BLOODY SECTION
atleast we can read what you are saying this time...
garok89 said:
wrong section
this question has been answered a million times if you just search
im in a good mood from beer so all i will say is this:
if you are rooted you dont even need to activate with most roms (and you can do it when you have wifi access)
next time, QUESTIONS GO IN THE QnA SECTION....cmon...is it really THAT difficuly?
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Yes, actually. It IS that difficult, obviously
ah...jag..i knew my biggest fan wouldnt be far away
think i should create a poll (in the dev section for irony) for whether or not people with less that 100 posts can open a thread in the dev section?
garok89 said:
ah...jag..i knew my biggest fan wouldnt be far away
think i should create a poll (in the dev section for irony) for whether or not people with less that 100 posts can open a thread in the dev section?
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I vote they should, they make some of the best threads... But because they also have the stupidest questions to post a thread you have to answer an Android related question. Something a SEARCH would tell you. You know it reads the subject/post looks it up and tells them to answer their own question
a bit like ubuntu forums and the way they make you answer like "what is one plus four" to get results? but android related...
garok89 said:
a bit like ubuntu forums and the way they make you answer like "what is one plus four" to get results? but android related...
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I think it would work. Like this thread, how to setup with out sim. The question would be
"If you don't have a sim card, how can you setup your phone?"
looks like we have jacked this thread....
more than appropriate for threads that jack sections if you ask me
Right now I am running xROM beta3 and have Ra 1.5.2 recovery. But how can I really tell if I am rooted?
Know-Fear said:
Right now I am running xROM beta3 and have Ra 1.5.2 recovery. But how can I really tell if I am rooted?
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Um, I would flash this file. If it stays at the g1 for a long time your rooted
http://sapphire-port-dream.googlecode.com/files/spl-signed.zip
This may brick your phone I take NO responsibility for your idiocy
JAguirre1231 said:
Um, I would flash this file. If it stays at the g1 for a long time your rooted
http://sapphire-port-dream.googlecode.com/files/spl-signed.zip
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dangerous man.....remove that just incase some idiot does it
i know it works when done correctly but too easy to screw up
ahh good lookin out Jag. I'll go try that.
And Garok...that would be simply HILARIOUS!!
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i know it works when done correctly but too easy to screw up
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Fine, I'll make the disclaimer visible. No more lemonchiffon
even i, experienced as i am in flashing....managed brick my second g1 when that failed to flash correctly.....
MrDash said:
I Just Wanna Do Thiis Noob ?? If i Root My g1 Do I Have to activate It Again Cuz I dont HAve Data PLan ?
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i helped you yesterday, but your stupidity knows NO bounds. learn to ****ing search. now i dont have any patience with you.
MrDash said:
I Just Wanna Do Thiis Noob ?? If i Root My g1 Do I Have to activate It Again Cuz I dont HAve Data PLan ?
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i helped you yesterday, but your stupidity knows NO bounds. learn to ****ing search. now i dont have any patience with you.
Know-Fear said:
Right now I am running xROM beta3 and have Ra 1.5.2 recovery. But how can I really tell if I am rooted?
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i hope that was sarcasm...
was wondering if mods are anyone who post roms.. can also post step by step instructions on how to install the rom, including software/programs needed to flash it. Its hard to search around the forum to download things..But if you post everyting in one thread, it would prolly avoid a lot of noob questions..
greypimps said:
was wondering if mods are anyone who post roms.. can also post step by step instructions on how to install the rom, including software/programs needed to flash it. Its hard to search around the forum to download things..But if you post everyting in one thread, it would prolly avoid a lot of noob questions..
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Start with this link : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1416836
Edit : Looks like you started another similar thread ? (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1438752)
dashingdon said:
Start with this link : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1416836
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This user has already been directed to that link, and complained it was too long.
To the OP, the directions are clear cut and work. Slapshot did a fantastic job compiling all the steps.
Complaining that they are too long and creating another post to complain some more will get you no where and you're probably better off not rooting your phone until you can understand the instructions.
This was my first root, and although HTC phones are supposed to be harder to root, I accomplished it without a hitch thanks to the instructions so please be patient and take the time to read through all the posts.
If the Superguide is too hard for you, this whole thing isent for you
Drew
greypimps said:
was wondering if mods are anyone who post roms.. can also post step by step instructions on how to install the rom, including software/programs needed to flash it. Its hard to search around the forum to download things..But if you post everyting in one thread, it would prolly avoid a lot of noob questions..
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Honestly, if you're really gonna be this much of a baby about it, switch to a more popular phone, and head over to FreeYourAndroid.com. They have 24/7, and very easy to follow tutorials. Before you even go check for our phone, no its not on there. Hence why I said go grab a more popular phone.
As to how we lay out information here, its because its not for noobs to come and start diving into the world of android modding just like that. There is too much information, too many different (yet individually important) ways to do things, and too many different ROMs and the like coming way too fast to have it all posted in one place. General is for general knowledge things and any questions that don't involve a specific thread. Its a great place for noobs to hangout, learn the ropes, and find basic information. The Android Development forum is there for just that, Android development. So this is where all the ROMs, Mods, Root tricks, and the like go. That is an impossible amount of information to condense into one thread. Not to mention its not fair to the devs who deserve the credit for their hard work. On top of this, ROMs require different ways to be flashed properly. They have different directions, different issues, different fixes. It would be insanely stupid to consolidate information any more then we already have.
So if your gonna whine, then as I stated in the General Knowledge thread:
Don't flash ROMs, unlock your bootloader, ect.:
If you don't know what your doing, don't do it. If you don't want to take the chance, don't do it. If youre just going to whine, don't do it. Its the simplest solution to not making a mistake and staying stable.
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XDA isn't for babies, and its not for noobs to start doing things straight out of nowhere. Don't get me wrong though, most of us have no issues showing you noobs the ropes. Although, if youre not going to even try and just gonna sit here whine wanting to be babied we won't care the least bit about you. So in conclusion -
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Mods pleaseclose this bs thread.
thanks
Drew
Sent from my HTC Raider X710e using xda premium
drewdatrip said:
Mods pleaseclose this bs thread.
thanks
Drew
Sent from my HTC Raider X710e using xda premium
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lmfao how rude>>> you do have to admit some roms out there dont provide all instructions to newbs....anyway ref. to you links, im guessing step 3 and 4, you can choose either one..?
greypimps said:
lmfao how rude>>> you do have to admit some roms out there dont provide all instructions to newbs....anyway ref. to you links, im guessing step 3 and 4, you can choose either one..?
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No it is not rude at all. Slapshot30 wrote a guide that was created into a sticky which explains how to root, put cwm recovery, flash a rom, etc. If you can't follow simple instructions (searching before posting) then this isn't for you.
Sent from my HTC PH39100 using xda premium
greypimps said:
lmfao how rude>>> you do have to admit some roms out there dont provide all instructions to newbs....anyway ref. to you links, im guessing step 3 and 4, you can choose either one..?
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i must have mistyped the website address to get here. i typed in:
xda-DEVELOPERS.com
i couldnt find:
xda-noobs.com
or
xda-newbs.com
Sorry
Pirateghost said:
i must have mistyped the website address to get here. i typed in:
xda-DEVELOPERS.com
i couldnt find:
xda-noobs.com
or
xda-newbs.com
Sorry
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I may have to register those and set up a redirect back to Google.com.
Chill out guys, damn, you all sound like some grumpy old men. I've been in PPC's when they had B/W screens back in the 90's and I don't get this angry when a new guy ask me some questions. We all had to start out somewhere.
NIKKG said:
Chill out guys, damn, you all sound like some grumpy old men. I've been in PPC's when they had B/W screens back in the 90's and I don't get this angry when a new guy ask me some questions. We all had to start out somewhere.
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People are very willing to help and most on here do but it's frustrating when someone wants something easier when he has already been directed to the post he needs in another thread before starting this one. The guide that Slapshot created is great and very easy to follow. If that guide is too difficult for you, you shouldn't be doing this stuff to your phone.
Hi i have a Galaxy mini apparently(sorry thought it was a GT-S5570) and new to the title of mini after a quite a bit of googling. Anyway i worked out how to get the 'root check ' app after reading about it and it sent a file to my gmail address but don't know where to move from here to unlock. I read so many pages my head is in a spin so would appreciate some help :0)
welcome to xda
1. 1st check if u r on froyo or GB..if not, upgrade to GB [see this general section for guide to upgrade to GB]
2. then install clockworkmod recovery [see original android development section]
3. then install any custom ROM available here...
custom roms are pre-rooted..
for all the guides = check this thread here #Season 1
Noobie
A_U said:
welcome to xda
1. 1st check if u r on froyo or GB..if not, upgrade to GB [see this general section for guide to upgrade to GB]
2. then install clockworkmod recovery [see original android development section]
3. then install any custom ROM available here...
custom roms are pre-rooted..
for all the guides = check this thread here #Season 1
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OK I haven't heard of most of those things but i am guessing GB is Gingerbread as i have seen that around when googling. Is that the version of operating system? Ah i looked at the general section. The first sticky that had a guides section but wasn't sure which thing you meant sorry. Be kind to me as i am really new to Samsungs and have only modded a couple of motorolas in the last few years with lots of help from forums:angel:
before doing anything read the stickied warning thread it contains what you should never do with mini
then read the stickied reference thread
Thanks for the welcome A_U
OK will try and find the stickies and read them but it is hard as i have CFS. Reading through lots of stuff will take me ages
dheeraj (dhlalit11) said:
before doing anything read the stickied warning thread it contains what you should never do with mini
then read the stickied reference thread
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OK i think i read the warning thread before as it looks familiar. Lots i don't understand.
The reference thread has wayyyyy too much i don't understand.
Lemme just go one step at a time and i will get there. This is all way too new to me and i have Short Term memory loss so better to go slow....thanks :0)
rapattack said:
OK I haven't heard of most of those things but i am guessing GB is Gingerbread as i have seen that around when googling. Is that the version of operating system? Ah i looked at the general section. The first sticky that had a guides section but wasn't sure which thing you meant sorry. Be kind to me as i am really new to Samsungs and have only modded a couple of motorolas in the last few years with lots of help from forums:angel:
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I finally found in the 'about phone ' section that the build number is gingerbread.xwkq6.
I have had no luck finding the original andriod development section sorry...can u post me a link...would appreciate it :0)
rapattack said:
I finally found in the 'about phone ' section that the build number is gingerbread.xwkq6.
I have had no luck finding the original andriod development section sorry...can u post me a link...would appreciate it :0)
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just dont go directly to flashing rom
you should first understand every things
the most important things is never use rom manager (possible bricking)
you should read terminology in reference thread it will get you familiar with many android stuff
every galaxy mini's section is listed here:- http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1311
dheeraj (dhlalit11) said:
just dont go directly to flashing rom
you should first understand every things
the most important things is never use rom manager (possible bricking)
you should read terminology in reference thread it will get you familiar with many android stuff
every galaxy mini's section is listed here:- http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1311
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Yep i get you but its too much for me and i am willing to risk it....there is too much and my memory is very poor due to my medical condition. Its too much information all at once. I do better by following instructions one step at a time. I think i found the clockworkmod so trying to understand that page
do you really have short term memory or you are just kidding
dheeraj (dhlalit11) said:
do you really have short term memory or you are just kidding
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I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and thats part of it....anyway despite the way it sounds i have modded a phone before and my hobby is computers.
rapattack said:
Yep i get you but its too much for me and i am willing to risk it....there is too much and my memory is very poor due to my medical condition. Its too much information all at once. I do better by following instructions one step at a time. I think i found the clockworkmod so trying to understand that page
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We all were in the same boat as you, so don't worry if it's too much now Check the guides with patience. You're not in a hurry or anything, right?
Sent from my GT-S5570 using xda app-developers app
dheeraj (dhlalit11) said:
do you really have short term memory or you are just kidding
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I am on a disability pension as i have CFS/ME and short term memory is just one of the things i deal with. The condition is neurological. I shouldnt even be learning anything about computers at all and on top i am even a linux person. I do pretty well compared to others that have this but takes me a lot of effort to learn. Thanks....yeah i can't ....the guides are too many pages. If i can be given a link to get straight to it rather than pages and pages. I have to keep two browser pages open and its just not that easy. Sorry but not everyone is in the same position. I could do five things at once before this happened to me, was in a coma, had to learn how to walk/talk etc again....fighting my way back and might take 20 years...who knows. Anyway links straight to where and what. I am really good at following instructions as have been a linux person a few years now and get on the linux forums a lot...sorry i know its a lot to grapple when you might have not met someone with a neurological thing before. Sorry if i repeat myself and miss stuff out but thats all part of this 'bits missing' brain