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There is an iPhone 3G app called VOiPover3G that tricks other iPhone apps into thinking that they are on Wi-Fi even though they are on 3G/EDGE/GPRS.
Is anything like this being looked at/developed for Android phones??
Please post questions about apps in the correct subforum. This will probably get locked...
This probably is the right subforum. Apps forum is for apps that have been compiled and released. This forum is for dev including apps dev.
Anyway, what would be the point in a program like that? What programs could benefit from it?
JaboJG said:
This probably is the right subforum. Apps forum is for apps that have been compiled and released. This forum is for dev including apps dev.
Anyway, what would be the point in a program like that? What programs could benefit from it?
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It would allow programs like sipdroid (the market version) to think it was on wifi and when we finally get something like Fring for Android that would also be able to use the data package to make voip calls, even "real" skype calls.
It is in the wrong part of the forum, but I might as well answer it...
While the iPhone doesn't allow certain services over 3G (e.g. VoIP stuff), the current Android handsets + apps don't do such a thing.
e.g. Sipdroid works fine over edge/umts/wifi (as good as those networks can support VoIP).
It's really kind of a strange question to be honest. If there isn't a problem, don't ask questions about it
JaboJG said:
This probably is the right subforum. Apps forum is for apps that have been compiled and released. This forum is for dev including apps dev.
Anyway, what would be the point in a program like that? What programs could benefit from it?
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Not to harp on the point made by Diceman4, but it really isn't the correct sub-forum. If you look at the Stickies in the Apps/Games sub-forum, you will see that one of them is regarding request/ideas for applications.
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I don't see any development going on in the first post though. This seems more like a post for the "ideas for apps" thread in app subforum. Although if the op came back with a chunk of code that needed debugging, that would be a different story.
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The main reason for asking was because of problems with Tmob in the UK blocking sipdroid (port 5060) and preventing it using 3G etc.
If we had an app like VOiPover3G it may very well allow us to bypass that problem, I don't know
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The main reason for asking was because of problems with Tmob in the UK blocking sipdroid (port 5060) and preventing it using 3G etc.
If we had an app like VOiPover3G it may very well allow us to bypass that problem, I don't know
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Why? a better bet would be to ask the sipdroid creator to include a user configurable port setting. The point of android is that the workarounds don't need to be workarounds on the phone, but rather workrounds for interfacing with the network.
robiom said:
The main reason for asking was because of problems with Tmob in the UK blocking sipdroid (port 5060) and preventing it using 3G etc.
If we had an app like VOiPover3G it may very well allow us to bypass that problem, I don't know
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The technique described by the op routes traffic internally from the wifi interface to the cellular interface. That will have no effect on the protocol or port used. In other words, it will only be of use if the app is hardcoded to use wifi only and you want to work around that. If the cellular carrier is blocking the data, this method will not get around that.
As for sipdroid, you can manually configure the port used.
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The technique described by the op routes traffic internally from the wifi interface to the cellular interface. That will have no effect on the protocol or port used. In other words, it will only be of use if the app is hardcoded to use wifi only and you want to work around that. If the cellular carrier is blocking the data, this method will not get around that.
As for sipdroid, you can manually configure the port used.
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If you use pbxes there are a handful of different ports that will work but I haven't been able to get any to work. Saying that, up till recently I was using Gizmo5 but pbxes have blocked it's use after they (Gizmo5) allegedly stole/used sipdroid code and renamed it as if it was there own.
If any one has had success with sipdroid on 3g etc on t-mob UK please post the sip provider and the settings used.
Have you guys tried using the FULL version of sipdroid.. the one on the market didnt allow for 3g calls but this one does http://code.google.com/p/sipdroid/
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Have you guys tried using the FULL version of sipdroid.. the one on the market didnt allow for 3g calls but this one does http://code.google.com/p/sipdroid/
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Been there, done that, even got the T-shirt.
The problem is T-mob in the UK are a pain in the neck and are blocking the port 5060.
As someone has already mentioned in this thread, what is needed is a user configurable port so that T-mob UK can't block.
Let's hope sipdroid developers can do something along those lines.
I don't get it... have you tried all the alternative ports listed in pbxes website?
53, 69, 80, 135, 161, 443, 500, 1433, 1701, 1812, 3389, 4500, 5061, 5900, 16999, 26999 and
36999 (recommended)
Note:
Because of the DNS entries for pbxes.org your device may be selecting port 5060 automatically. If you want to use an alternative port enter 188.40.65.148 as SIP server.
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Both of them work as UDP or TCP.
TCP is recommended as it will help with battery life.
If none of these ports work, then It has to be that T-mobile has a Layer 7 filter in place looking for the SIP signaling traffic, and there should be no workaround possible unless you can wrap your sip traffic in a VPN. Nothing can be done to stop that, unless they filter the whole L2TP,PPTP,IPSEC or OpenVPN protocols.
I have tried most if not all of the ports specified and still no joy BUT I'll give it another go. What SIP provider do you use?
If T-mob are killing all SIP traffic how is it possible to use sipdriod over VPN?? Surely that is a major undertaking?
If it was done though, it would be the most robust and bulletproof VOIP app and would never be stopped Brilliant
I have just tried every single one of the alternative ports and every time I had a registration failure (timeout) so I guess T-mob are filtering for SIP traffic.
That leaves only the VPN route OR change providers OR change phones.
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I have just tried every single one of the alternative ports and every time I had a registration failure (timeout) so I guess T-mob are filtering for SIP traffic.
That leaves only the VPN route OR change providers OR change phones.
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Changing phones WILL NOT work since it isn't the phone that is causing the problem, it is the provider.
VPN should be fine, but you'll need a VPN server somewhere to connect through, i.e., your home computer.
There is nothing a carrier can do to block SIP over VPN. Everything is tunneled over the VPN connection so they can't know what goes in there.
As soon as we have a reliable VPN service (Donut seems to have PPTP or L2TP, although I'd love to see OpenVPN there) , you'll ve able to set-up your own voip and vpn server and pipe all the voice through it.
There is a couple of VoIP providers who can do that for you. One that comes to mind is callwithus.
On the connection issue with t-mobile, I suggest you try this:
If you have a DMZ linux/cygwin (altough a windows box might make it) host or a shell anywhere you can test if your provider is locking those ports, the pbxes ip or maybe even the SIP traffic.
Listen in a port using netcat:
netcat -n -l -vvvv 5060
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Launch the Terminal Emulator in your android phone and test if you can connect to your host:
nc <your_hostname> 5060
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Type something... if you can see the text, they have a L7 filter in place.
If you can't see anything, they are blocking the port.
Now change the listening port to 36999 for instance.
Try to connect again. It should work.
Now in Sipdroid, add your hostname, give it any username, any password, use the 36999 port and select TCP connection and keep the netcat running on your listening host.
If you see a connection in your listening host and some signalling traffic, pbxes should work for you.
If you don't, then there's a really advance L7 filter between you and the internet and they can block anything they want to.
In this case, the only solution (and there's nothing they can do unless they also block it), is to use a VPN.
Thanks guys for all your suggestions. I'll try and go through all the procedures you've suggested stickman and I'll post the results
Ok so I wasn't sure if this goes in general, qa, or dev, but I figured this would be the most likely spot for an answer.
I have a home server set up & will shortly have a VPN running. Now my main question is this: I know the phone has the ability to connect to the vpn, but is there a way to stream music/movies to the phone? I having to hand pick each song I want to put on, so being able to access my collection remotely would be very nice.
Thanks!
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Ok so I wasn't sure if this goes in general, qa, or dev, but I figured this would be the most likely spot for an answer.
I have a home server set up & will shortly have a VPN running. Now my main question is this: I know the phone has the ability to connect to the vpn, but is there a way to stream music/movies to the phone? I having to hand pick each song I want to put on, so being able to access my collection remotely would be very nice.
Thanks!
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This has nothing to do with development.
You didn't mention what OS you are running at home so all we can do is guess.
But FTP, Samba, DLNA - depends if you want to copy of stream and how much battery you want to suck down. Since you have a DLNA client - that would probably be the way to go if you want to stream music. or you could get a 32GB card and carry a lot with you.
If my first post didn't make me seem like a complete fool this one should make up for it. As far as I'm aware allshare only works via wifi, my goal is to stream via 3g. Using wifi tether on my captivate & setting up vpn allows me to stream to my ipad, but my goal is to stream over 3g to my phone.
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When I say this I may be wrong and come off as stupid as you think you seem, but I can't imagine how that could be possible... And unless you have unlimited data (they didn't grandfather mine), that would sure eat up your 2gb pretty fast.
Really, I can see how it's possible, but not how it's easily done. Access web server from phone; apache maybe?
streaming to phone solution
Easiest solution so far is orb.com, but I personally would prefer a solution that worked on my LAN and just allowed use of samba services instead of using an outside service. Coreplayer was great on windows mobile.
Yea, I would love to do the same thing. I have over 100GB of music on my home server and have unlimited data. I hate having to pick out the music to put on my phone only to inevitably want to listen to something I didn't happen to pick.
I think it would be possible but I don't know if there are any applications that would allow you to do it.
Subsonic
Nice! Subsonic looks great. And it runs on multiple systems since I don't run Windows for my server.
Thanks AJerman
I have seen few apps that are capable of doing this over Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and USB. But I am more interested in something that can do it over 3G. At work my desktop PC is not on a wireless network; there is Wi-Fi but on a spate subnet with no easy access to the main network. I do have Bluetooth / USB on my main desktop but I work from different PCs therefore its not very convenient for me to pair/connect it each time I go to a different PC. And I don’t use Wi-Fi at home either.
Then there are other benifits to using 3G like I can still access the phone even if I forget it somewhere (i.e at home in the car etc). The new HTC Sense services for HTC Desire HD will have remote access to SMS, call and location information , which is exactly what I'm after. But for now SMS alone is enough.
I came across one App called SMS2PC which can connect to a computer over 3G. But from what I gathered, with that the phone connects to the PC and pushes notifications, not the other way around. This is not going to work for me because at work I am behind a corporate firewall, so my phone cannot access the desktop.
Any other solutions ??
EDIT : i know SMS backup can backup text messages to google, but I can't reply from there. So that wont help much. And I'm not in US, therefore I dont have access to Google Voice service, so replying through that is not going to work either.
Is Google Voice avilable to you (specifically, you will need a Google Voice phone number)? If so, that will be my recommendation. In addition to free SMS and visual voice mail, you can use your Google Voice anywhere that you have access to a web browser. It doesn't have to be your phone.
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Is Google Voice avilable to you (specifically, you will need a Google Voice phone number)? If so, that will be my recommendation. In addition to free SMS and visual voice mail, you can use your Google Voice anywhere that you have access to a web browser. It doesn't have to be your phone.
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No google voice is not available ( as mentioned in my last line , coz I knew some one would suggest that).
I wonder why no one has made such an app so far.
Maybe I'll have to write my own.. haven't done any android programing yet, guess its about the time.. waiting for a break from work to start playing around with it a bit...
PhoenixFx said:
I have seen few apps that are capable of doing this over Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and USB. But I am more interested in something that can do it over 3G. At work my desktop PC is not on a wireless network; there is Wi-Fi but on a spate subnet with no easy access to the main network. I do have Bluetooth / USB on my main desktop but I work from different PCs therefore its not very convenient for me to pair/connect it each time I go to a different PC. And I don’t use Wi-Fi at home either.
Then there are other benifits to using 3G like I can still access the phone even if I forget it somewhere (i.e at home in the car etc). The new HTC Sense services for HTC Desire HD will have remote access to SMS, call and location information , which is exactly what I'm after. But for now SMS alone is enough.
I came across one App called SMS2PC which can connect to a computer over 3G. But from what I gathered, with that the phone connects to the PC and pushes notifications, not the other way around. This is not going to work for me because at work I am behind a corporate firewall, so my phone cannot access the desktop.
Any other solutions ??
EDIT : i know SMS backup can backup text messages to google, but I can't reply from there. So that wont help much. And I'm not in US, therefore I dont have access to Google Voice service, so replying through that is not going to work either.
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I use smstools. It is in every major repo. However - from your non-technical wording - I assume that you use the gamerz OS (Windos). Worry not, you can easily compile the program yourself, or google for binaries.
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I use smstools. It is in every major repo. However - from your non-technical wording - I assume that you use the gamerz OS (Windos). Worry not, you can easily compile the program yourself, or google for binaries.
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Yes, I use Windows mostly . Thanks for that link, but I don't think thats quite what I want either. That seems to use the phone as a modem to send and receive SMSs; which means I'll have to connect the phone to a PC locally (i.e USB, IR, BT etc..).
I'm looking for a solution that allows me to connect to the phone remotely over the internet (phone online on 3G) to access and send messages. A setup where there is a PC client which polls the phone periodically for new messages and a server running on the phone allowing the PC client to gain access to its messaging service. So I don't have to connect/disconnect every time when changing PCs, it will also allow me to connect even when the phone is not with me (left behind at home / car ).
Ah, I got it now!
Well, of course you could compile SMSTOOLS for your phone
Or take a look at RemoteSMS or similar apps!
Also possible to remote control your handset via vnc-server. That one has far more possibilities than remote SMS-ing...
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Ah, I got it now!
Well, of course you could compile SMSTOOLS for your phone
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I’m coming from Windows development side, so pardon me for my ignorance on Linux dev. But from the little I know, you can't compile Unix/C code to Android, am I wrong ? At least not in a straightforward manner... You can only develop apps using their customized Java (Dalvic) , right
Even if its possible, I think developing an app from ground up is far more easier than trying to integrate smstools in to android. Besides, that doesn't solve my problem at all, because accessing the phone from the PC is the issue, and I don't see how running smstools on the phone is going to solve that.
HelloH said:
Or take a look at RemoteSMS or similar apps!
Also possible to remote control your handset via vnc-server. That one has far more possibilities than remote SMS-ing...
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RemoteSMS only works over Wi-Fi and BT, no 3G support .
I guess remote desktop is one solution, but I prefer a much simpler app. Besides VNC will not send me any notifications, I have to manually check. ..
Looks like I'll have to write my own app for this . Havent done any android development yet, looks like this is going to be my first project..
Wifi Keyboard works on 3g (yes dumb but )
3G might be blocked by some carriers.
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So it's means it can be used over 3G
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IAnd I'm not in US, therefore I dont have access to Google Voice service, so replying through that is not going to work either.
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You don't need to be in the US to get a Google Voice account or use it for SMS. I am in Canada and use it for SMS all the time.
See this link. Note that despite the title this will work for any country.
http://www.wifitalk.ca/iphone/howto-google-voice-in-canada/
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You don't need to be in the US to get a Google Voice account or use it for SMS. I am in Canada and use it for SMS all the time.
See this link. Note that despite the title this will work for any country.
http://www.wifitalk.ca/iphone/howto-google-voice-in-canada/
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Thanks, I'll give it a try. Are SMSs free for international numbers as well ?
EDIT : I don't want to login through some unknown proxy server and give out my credentials. Besides, it is not a permanent solution. another dead end
Waiting for new ideas
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Wifi Keyboard works on 3g (yes dumb but )
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Waiting for new ideas
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Hum ..... Have you tried it ?
PhoenixFx said:
I’m coming from Windows development side, so pardon me for my ignorance on Linux dev. But from the little I know, you can't compile Unix/C code to Android, am I wrong ? At least not in a straightforward manner... You can only develop apps using their customized Java (Dalvic) , right
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Linux is a kernel, and Android is a Linux kernel based operating system. You can compile anything (that compiles for GNU/Linux for the given architecture) for Android/Linux as well. It will be native code however (as opposed to DALVIK, which is VM code). You have the option to cross-compile on your PC, or to compile code right on your phone. It is a command line affair... not some nice one-click task.
BTW I did not see in their own advert, that RemoteSMS would be limited to wifi... you sure? (Would be pretty weird move from them, since communicating over wifi and 3G is not really different from the programmer's point of view)
Found this today , posted on XDA : talkmyphone.
Exacly what I was looking for .
YAY!
Thank you! I have been looking for something like this because I am also behind a corporate firewall at work.
I have yet to come across the ability to use wifi and 3G simultaneously so it seems like it could be well worth implementing.
http://mobisocial.stanford.edu/news...together-by-hacking-connectivityservice-java/
*Also posted in Android General: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15161427
Well, I didn't go to Stanford, but wouldn't you have to be able to tell the system which traffic should use which interface? Generic routing can't handle this stuff.
My thoughts were leaning towards those apps that already require one connection type versus another. For example wouldn't it be nice for those that use wifi to vpn into their network(s) for work/home and also be able to use apps that require their 3G. I recall having to switch to 3G from my wifi once or twice at home to use just an app that was developed to use only 3G.
The simplest thing IMO (if possible) would be to have the person be able to set a preference on their phone for wifi or 3G (by app selection would rock). Then apps would connect through the preference if available (and if allowed) or move on to the alternate if not.
This kind of discussion is what I was hoping for so please keep it coming...
*BTW we've come a long way since the Vogue
This is what we used to call "shotgunning"
Jiggity Janx said:
My thoughts were leaning towards those apps that already require one connection type versus another. For example wouldn't it be nice for those that use wifi to vpn into their network(s) for work/home and also be able to use apps that require their 3G. I recall having to switch to 3G from my wifi once or twice at home to use just an app that was developed to use only 3G.
The simplest thing IMO (if possible) would be to have the person be able to set a preference on their phone for wifi or 3G (by app selection would rock). Then apps would connect through the preference if available (and if allowed) or move on to the alternate if not.
This kind of discussion is what I was hoping for so please keep it coming...
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Right... I guess it would be handy if the only check was for whether a particular connection was ACTIVE, not necessarily if it were the primary interface.
Well, I guess you could futz it manually with the routing table -
wifi
addr 192.168.1.100
gateway 192.168.1.1
ppp0
addr 76.76.76.76
gateway 76.1.1.10
corp public
20.20.20.20
so, if you had a corp vpn app that required wifi, and could force both to be enabled, you could set...
Code:
route add -host 20.20.20.20 netmask 255.255.255.255 gw 192.168.1.1
but it'd be a pain to change every time. guess you could build an app to handle it...
*BTW we've come a long way since the Vogue
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Aye, mate.
"shotgunning"
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new to me. will google this.
EDIT: ah, yes - multiplexing PPP connections. not possible, I think. You might be able to load balance/share, though, and that could be handy.
I'm considering upgrading my S10+ to the S21 Ultra. Before I do I need to know if editing the APN settings will work the same, or are there other factors I need to be aware of.
Hotspotting is my primary way of connecting to the net, and has been for the past 10+ years. If I can't continue to connect in this way with the Ultra, what phones will work?
Yes I'm aware of PDAnet, it will not work for my use scenario. I must hotspot through the phone natively. I use in the range of 60 - 100gb each month. I'm on a grandfathered true unlimited plan.
Screen shots of the APN settings would be greatly appreciated, if applicable.
You can go directly to the hotspotting app if you know what you're doing.
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You can go directly to the hotspotting app if you know what you're doing.
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Would you care to explain? I've used the native hotspot for years.
Can you provide any more information?
I can't tell if you are asking if hotspot works as intended on a stock sprint/tmobile phone? Like paying for the hotspot feature?
It's unclear what your grandfathered plan provides. Does that include unlimited hot spot?
Or are you asking if you can manually configure the APN to override how hotspot works, so you can use it without paying for the hotspot feature, assuming it's not included in your plan?
Are you just asking if you can edit the APN settings at all?
There is just too much uncertainty about what you are asking.
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Can you provide any more information?
I can't tell if you are asking if hotspot works as intended on a stock sprint/tmobile phone? Like paying for the hotspot feature?
It's unclear what your grandfathered plan provides. Does that include unlimited hot spot?
Or are you asking if you can manually configure the APN to override how hotspot works, so you can use it without paying for the hotspot feature, assuming it's not included in your plan?
Are you just asking if you can edit the APN settings at all?
There is just too much uncertainty about what you are asking.
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I do not have hotspot on my plan.
In order to use hotspot currently, a new APN entry is created adding "dun“ to a field, allowing hotspot to be activated without having a plan.
Here is a thread that explains the current method on older phones:
Sprint Hotspot Hack w/ Android 10
I lost my hotspot hack when I updated my Sprint S10 to Android 10 like everyone else but I just found a fix! It works on my S10 so I’m guessing it’ll work the same for S10+ users. ##3282# then APN Settings (The left clicking to unlock editing...
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Anyone?
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Anyone?
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This forum wants to keep this "hack" on the down low.
All I will tell you is that you need to use some shortcut app that'll punch you through straight to the hotspotting app. This way, the carrier check is avoided.
Also, you MAY need to use a VPN because desktop traffic can become obvious.
An alternative is to VPN/tunnel into your home computer via Wireguard or some other software like ZeroTier or Tailscale.
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This forum wants to keep this "hack" on the down low.
All I will tell you is that you need to use some shortcut app that'll punch you through straight to the hotspotting app. This way, the carrier check is avoided.
Also, you MAY need to use a VPN because desktop traffic can become obvious.
An alternative is to VPN/tunnel into your home computer via Wireguard or some other software like ZeroTier or Tailscale.
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I'm going to try to be vague with this reply. You're saying a MAKER of shortcut app will be needed to get into the functionality of LTE.
Wouldn't the ##data# menu work also? That's what I do now. And by doing so it doesn't show as tethered data used when I check my usage.
You just need to find a way to open the hotspot app directly.
Shortcut apps like this help: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=rk.android.app.shortcutmaker&hl=en_US&gl=US
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You just need to find a way to open the hotspot app directly.
Shortcut apps like this help: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=rk.android.app.shortcutmaker&hl=en_US&gl=US
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I can already toggle the HS app natively.
I'm not sure we are on the same page.
So I guess getting any help or answers is pointless?
FYI: On Android 12 for Samsung you can add a new APN under Access Point Names without jumping thru hoops. Just tap on add new APN (make sure to copy everything from original APN) and add dun to the apn type field. Save the update and now you have free Hotspot (data counts against your main data bucket).
What about those who already have a restricted hotspot in their plan (high speed hotspot for first 500 MB, then switches to super-slow mode until reset the next billing cycle)?
Would adding a new APN result in unlimited hotspot? I can't tell if those with limited hotspot already enabled, would see any benefit to adding a new APN, or if it would even work?