Hope this isn't already covered somewhere on the forums, I've had a search but couldn't see anything. I've noticed since the last couple of Cyan updates that my gmail app doesn't seem to be working correctly. if i read a mail on my phone it's not marked as read on the web version and the number of unread mails still includes these on the phone. eg if i get three new mails and read them all on my phone, wait a while and get one more message, the app shows 4 unread mails in the statusd bar but only one in the app itself. if i look in the web version of gmail, all 4 are marked as unread. not exactly earth shattering, but a bit annoying.
the more serious problem is that i can't seem to send emails from my phone anymore. as soon as i hit send (either new mail of reply) it just sits there saying 'sending...' until i get bored and delete it 3 days later. the messages definitely don't get sent as i've tried tesating to myself.
Had a look arou nd the internet and I've seen people with mails showing as 'sending...' but actually being sent. that i could cope with, but this is beginning to get on my wick. I've had to temporarily more to the normal email app - works fine from there, but gmail is much nicer.
any ideas?
FYI I'm on a UK Vodafone HTC Magic 32B running Cyanogen 4.2.5 - last resort is going to be a full wipe and install from the ground up, but I don't want to have to re-download all my apps (not on SD as I've only got a class 2 16gb)
Well if you dont wanna do a full wipe, which would be required for the the other solution found, you can flash my theme template over here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=584521
which replaces the google apps, which should hopefully fix it
please make a nandroid backup before flashing just in case
thanks mate, i'll give it a whirl.
Tell us if it works! I hope it does lol
hmm... weirdly it just made it worse
tried a few reboots to make sure i wasn't going nuts, but since the update gmail won't even open. no FC or anything the screen fades out in the groovy eclair way and then goes straight back to the desktop. thought it might be something to do with not being sync'd (which i think it might be) but the sync menu iten does nothing. click on it and it doesn't drop to the sub-menu.
just restoring my backup now. thanks for the help though - any other ideas?
think a fix_permissions might help after flashing your template? completely forgot to have a go. the lack of error messages or FCs makes me think it probably won't
No if it didnt work dont reflash it. can you pull a logcat after attempting to send an email? i have a feeling its due to not resolving google.com as ive seen in many logcats.
hmm. tried again with a fix permissions and the same problem again. maybe chucking it out of a window will help... bloomin' technology...
thanks, i'll try a logcat later on (work pc at the mo, so can't track it from there)
well I've solved it in a more or less painless way. used backup for root users, wiped and installed 4.2.5 from scratch and restored my backup. gmail is now working properly. there seems to be a bit of an issue with backup for root users where some apps are showing as installed on the market but aren't on my handset, so i can't actually install them again (uninstall and open are both greyed out on the market app). only a couple of them though and nothing as vital as gmail, so i'll put up with it i think
Yes that was the actual solution, reflashing the ADP image and cyan. Using backup for root users is good and that market problem has been there for a while relating to cyans rom. I dont remember seeing a solution for it. I just realized that you may have been able to just restore your data.img from your nandroid after reflashing ADP and cyan and been able to preserve your data.
thanks. might give that a go tonight. as it is, it's only taskiller full, bump and bloo that I'm missing, so i've installed taskiller lite, blabber and ignored bump. ity seems whenever they get an update in the market it reinstalls correctly (that's how i got my calendar back), so i'm just waiting for them to get updated. was thinking about pulling the apks out of my nandroid image and then intalling them into the corrected version.
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Does anyone know what com.google.process.gapps is? I think, im not quite sure, but it might have started coming up randomly after I moved the caches to my sd card. It doesnt do anything when I hit force close, everything im still doing stay the same, its just annoying having it pop up periodically. Does anyone know how I can fix this without having to wipe my phone or anything? Thanks
wipes suck..
I used astro to copy all my apps to my sd so all I have to do is install each one , one at a time which is tedious but better than the market and, I have now noticed if I hadn't done that Id have to buy all the apps since I bought a second G1 in white gave my black one to my wife after a wipe, then used the same sd to re install stuff to the albino one.
But it seems to me that this point other than pinpointing the problem to 1 or 2 apps then kill them and hope it fixes the problem, not alot is known about these lil' suckers so most of the time wipe is the only option, but all your contacts mail & stuff is sync'd from the goog servers so its not as bad as rebuilding most pda/smartphones.
soon im sure things will get easier and better
bhang
Yea I think im jus going to backup my stuff with mybackup, then wipe it, cuz its really annoying
Be careful with that. I encounter problem a while back, cant remember what I did to cause it, but when I rebooted I had to sign back in to my gmail account and couldn't get a data connection with the setup wizard. I had to reflash all the way back to rc29.
I jus wiped it and and used mybackup 2 restore everything, but I encountered a problem with Download Crutch, whenever I tried to install another app after I installed Download Crutch it would ask me to choose what app to use to install the other apps, Download Crutch or Package Installer, and it would freeze at [email protected] screen and say "Android has enountered an error" or smthin, and ask to wait or force close, but it wouldnt allow me to choose, it would just freeze. So I uninstalled it and successfully reinstalled my other apps, everything is fine now, im leaving Download Crutch uninstalled
Linda File Manager has a "download crutch" built in (lets you pick what to associate files with). Download crutch seems to be just that small part of linda file manager. best file manager, imo. Astro is juuust behind it
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Linda File Manager has a "download crutch" built in (lets you pick what to associate files with). Download crutch seems to be just that small part of linda file manager. best file manager, imo. Astro is juuust behind it
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Would you say Discover is below Linda as well, cuz I use Discover
You should have just clear data of gmail application and error would have gone.
How do you "just clear the Google data"?
hcleared gmail data but the error still comes up...
hi, I've cleared the gmail apps data just as the post above suggested, but the error still comes up... now everytime I open gmail it'll force close immediately.... appreciate any help.. thanks
hamdi
com.google.process.gapps
I narrowed the problem down to "google talk" on my EVO. I went into settings about 30 mins ago and i haven't had a pop up yet.
If you frequently use Gtalk, there are other messaging apps such as Palringo that syncs with gtalk. Hope this helps!
try disabling Gtalk...worked for me.
How did you disable Gtalk? I removed Gtalk and it started having this issue in gmail... the only way I fixed it was by putting Gtalk back.
wiped entire phone and reinstalled everything again... dunno why this happens but when it starts I cannot revert it.
solution : com.google.process.gapps
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AsaSpades said:
Does anyone know what com.google.process.gapps is? I think, im not quite sure, but it might have started coming up randomly after I moved the caches to my sd card. It doesnt do anything when I hit force close, everything im still doing stay the same, its just annoying having it pop up periodically. Does anyone know how I can fix this without having to wipe my phone or anything? Thanks
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I think I had similar problems with my Googles Apps, and a few other apps. What I did was installed Titanium backup. Backup up the apps that I was having problem. uninstalled the apps, and reinstall them from the Market. And that solved my problem.
Hi!
I was experiencing the same problem, and I couldn't install anything from Market. The problem is caused by the gtalk service. If you have it uninstalled, you can get it from a dropbox link. Here it goes: dlDOTdropboxDOTcom PERuPER15246936PERgtalkservice.apk
Of remove the spaces and the other stuff. Unfortunately the forum does not let meg paste external links since i'm a newbie here.
A guy named SAPS uploaded it. Say hallelujah It solves both problems.
Cheers
Could you please give me some more details about what i have to do with this :
dlDOTdropboxDOTcom PERuPER15246936PERgtalkservice.apk
I also have the same problem. I can't download anyting from the market. And my knowledge about computers is not too much.
crash090 said:
Hi!
I was experiencing the same problem, and I couldn't install anything from Market. The problem is caused by the gtalk service. If you have it uninstalled, you can get it from a dropbox link. Here it goes: dlDOTdropboxDOTcom PERuPER15246936PERgtalkservice.apk
Of remove the spaces and the other stuff. Unfortunately the forum does not let meg paste external links since i'm a newbie here.
A guy named SAPS uploaded it. Say hallelujah It solves both problems.
Cheers
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Could you please give me some more details about what i have to do with this :
dlDOTdropboxDOTcom PERuPER15246936PERgtalkservice.apk
I also have the same problem. I can't download anyting from the market. And my knowledge about computers is not too much.
medi88 said:
hi, I've cleared the gmail apps data just as the post above suggested, but the error still comes up... now everytime I open gmail it'll force close immediately.... appreciate any help.. thanks
hamdi
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cyberdelia said:
How do you "just clear the Google data"?
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You press menu from your home screen
click on setting
click on applications
click on manage applications
click on all
click on "app name"
click on clear data
Don't ask me which app, cause I am still looking for it.
On my galaxy tab from tmobile, I cleared the following: contacts, gmail.
It fixed it
But on my G2 from tmobile, i ****ed up the sync, and had to restore it.
The app that I think that cause the problem for me was the bump app.
I have a Samsung Captivate. I recently flashed to Cognition 2.2 Beta 5 via Odin.
With Titanium Backup I was able to restore ALMOST everything, including most of the apps and account settings, which makes restoring almost painless
However, I can't restore TEXT messages. When I restore either:
[SMS/MMS/APN] Dialer Storage
[SMS/MMS PREFS] Messaging 2.2
I get the following error every 5 seconds or so making the phone virtually useless- Sorry!
The process com.android.phone has stopped unexpectedly. Please try again.
Force close
The only way I found to recover from this error is to use AnReboot (or manually reboot into recovery) and delete all user data. It took me a while to track down exactly what was crashing the phone, as I was randomly restoring stuff
One time I was able to catch a glimpse of the texts before it would repeatedly crash, so, I know that they are intact
I suppose my question is if there is any way to port the messages over, or should I just install an older ROM use another tool to backup the texts and then re-flash...Heck, I should just do that.
dirtyballoonot said:
I have a Samsung Captivate. I recently flashed to Cognition 2.2 Beta 5 via Odin.
With Titanium Backup I was able to restore ALMOST everything, including most of the apps and account settings, which makes restoring almost painless
However, I can't restore TEXT messages. When I restore either:
[SMS/MMS/APN] Dialer Storage
[SMS/MMS PREFS] Messaging 2.2
I get the following error every 5 seconds or so making the phone virtually useless- Sorry!
The process com.android.phone has stopped unexpectedly. Please try again.
Force close
The only way I found to recover from this error is to use AnReboot (or manually reboot into recovery) and delete all user data. It took me a while to track down exactly what was crashing the phone, as I was randomly restoring stuff
One time I was able to catch a glimpse of the texts before it would repeatedly crash, so, I know that they are intact
I suppose my question is if there is any way to port the messages over, or should I just install an older ROM use another tool to backup the texts and then re-flash...Heck, I should just do that.
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its because you are restoring system files from 2.1.....i would recommend using something like SMS backup+ to backup all your SMS messages....it sends them to your gmail so you never have to worry about it. no mms support, but its in the works
No MMS support definately is unfortunate.
This is Not q and a , this is android dev.
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No MMS support definately is unfortunate.
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As pointed out this is not Q and A and should have been posted in Captivate Q&A or Captivate General or Captivate Themes and Apps..
First off though while I wish everything worked together perfectly this isn't a perfect world. Secondly your complaining that an app doesn't work properly with an unofficial OS release that is called beta even by its creator and that was released 6 days ago! You downloaded a bleeding edge release, be prepared to get cut every now and then.
Cognition rocks as a whole but you need to have realistic expectations for the software developers. They may not test their app with every hacked rom out there, they may be unwilling to possibly brick a device just to see if things work right and they may be wholly unwilling to support 3rd party roms.
I know this may be a silly question, but did you do a reboot after you restored with Titanium? I know my SMS and MMS did not show up again until after the reboot. May also affect many of your other app data.
I had this problem too. first, backup your SMS messages with SMS Backup & Restore. then, archive your MMS Messages with Save MMS (it will move all your MMS pictures to the sdcard folder) AFAIK there is no program out there that will restore MMS messages to 2.2 from 2.1. you can restore the SMS messages w/ SMS backup & restore just fine going from 2.1 to 2.2
mine would flat out hardlock the phone when i restored my SMS/MMS w/ TiBU, or with my backup pro
I had MMS issues when I was running beta 4, all I did was one Odin click back to 2.1 and install beta 5.5 with clockwork recovery and It worked fine after.
- DG + Froyo + Captivate = The best threesome ever!
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This is Not q and a , this is android dev.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
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Apologies, this was obviously my first post. I wasn't sure whether this was developmental due to the app, or a phone issue...Please move if necessary.
rahlquist said:
As pointed out this is not Q and A and should have been posted in Captivate Q&A or Captivate General or Captivate Themes and Apps..
First off though while I wish everything worked together perfectly this isn't a perfect world. Secondly your complaining that an app doesn't work properly with an unofficial OS release that is called beta even by its creator and that was released 6 days ago! You downloaded a bleeding edge release, be prepared to get cut every now and then.
Cognition rocks as a whole but you need to have realistic expectations for the software developers. They may not test their app with every hacked rom out there, they may be unwilling to possibly brick a device just to see if things work right and they may be wholly unwilling to support 3rd party roms.
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I wasn't complaining at all. I was simply asking if there was a way to port the texts over.
I simply said it was "unfortunate", as it would have been nice to have my MMS/SMS work as everything else does.
I do agree that the Cognition release is pretty awesome. Not sure why the mail was changed, and a couple other features, but, all in all, 100% better than stock 2.1
I realize it's bleeding edge. I wasn't "expecting" anything, but, when MOST things worked and this didn't I was simply trying to figure out a solution.
GR8Danes-I did reboot. In fact, nothing really restores until after a reboot, and after the reboot is the exact moment it "breaks".
Sicwan-to be clear you can restore SMS, but, not MMS? by archive you basically mean save the attachments I assume. With the SMS, does it at least maintain the threads?
cheetah-I wasn't aware that you could use clockwork with 2.2 beta 5. I thought that involved kernal swapping, or the like. Could you provide a link, or a few more details? This is really the only caveat I've found.
Ooops...Double post
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Sicwan-to be clear you can restore SMS, but, not MMS? by archive you basically mean save the attachments I assume. With the SMS, does it at least maintain the threads?
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I had the same problem you had, where I restored data from 2.1update1, and it caused a phone crash. I now use SMS Backup & Restore, it backs up and restores every text message, and maintains the threads as well. The only issue I have had with it is that it puts all the MMS messages I've received as the first messages. But on that note, I've also found that it does back up MMS, at least for me...
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I had the same problem you had, where I restored data from 2.1update1, and it caused a phone crash. I now use SMS Backup & Restore, it backs up and restores every text message, and maintains the threads as well. The only issue I have had with it is that it puts all the MMS messages I've received as the first messages. But on that note, I've also found that it does back up MMS, at least for me...
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Maybe I'll give that a try. The TXT's are really the only thing that has me stuck. I have a clockwork backup of my 2.1 image that has tons on it, I have new one's since I've been testing these ROM's.
OK, well, maybe not JUST the texts, but, trying to stay on topic here.
I find myself in an odd spot though. I would like to get all my texts consolidated though so that I can make images of both the old OS, and the new OS, however, I know that if I use clockwork to backup everything as is, it will likely "break" when going backwards.
I'd like to try BETA 6 as well, but, there's even more hesitation as I actually dig car mode (although the music button doesn't work), like moxier, and a few other things that were removed. (Now I've digressed)
Do NOT restore system data with Titanium Backup!!
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Do NOT restore system data with Titanium Backup!!
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OK, that was subtle. Would you happen to have a constructive alternative to restore app settings, MMS/SMS and the like? If TiBu can't restore system data, it's virtually useless.
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OK, that was subtle. Would you happen to have a constructive alternative to restore app settings, MMS/SMS and the like?
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app settings can be restored by using the batch method on TiBu entitled restore MISSING apps and data NOT apps and system data!
anything in your batch restore that says 2.1 DO NOT restore
USE a different APP for backing up/restoring SMS messages
[BOOKMARKS] Browser 2.2
Accounts
Bluetooth Pairings
Wi-Fi Access Points
[USER DICT]com.android.providers.userdictionary 2.2
[CONTACTS/CALL] Contacts Storage 2.2
[VOICEMAIL] Dialer 2.2
Well, I've successfully restored all of this with no issue (except I don't really believe that my dictionary restored, it just didn't break)
If there was a different APP to restore my SMS/MMS without limitations I'm open for suggestions, why they would choose to make those system files to begin with is beyond my comprehension...
i never restore ANY system data....it only takes a few minutes to change those settings for system apps anyway.
as long as i dont restore ANY system data, i dont get any FC's
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OK, that was subtle. Would you happen to have a constructive alternative to restore app settings, MMS/SMS and the like? If TiBu can't restore system data, it's virtually useless.
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set everything up manually. Save your MMS pics to your sdcard. If you have something important in your SMS, forward it to your email...
My comment is not useless, you got an error, posted on here about, and I tell you not to do it because it doesn't work... This is where you should realize something, "HEY, THIS DOESN'T WORK, maybe I should find another way to do it". Seems you didn't get that far, so I have given you an alt route.
If you need a one-click solution for everything and refuse to think outside of the box, you shouldn't be using android. <3 my iPhone4 and iTunes, click backup, click restore, all done. (btw, iPhone4 is my primary phone.)
Tried searching..
My rooted NC has been working perfectly. I have downloaded lots of apps. Now when I am on the market everything seems fine but files will not download. It just sits there on "starting download". The only thing I can think of is I used Titanium backup to "wipe data" on the market app...I am a noob, was that dumb?? I thought that might clear my market search history that keeps adding up. Any thoughts?
mine does that once in a while. i just reboot the nook and it starts again
I have re-booted a few times...no luck.
I had that symptom after I deleted Google Talk. I just re-auto-nootered & all was fixed. Nothing was disturbed. I never heard any feedback on whether or not that was a viable restore method, but it worked for me by restoring the missing files. If I were you, though, I would wait for someone else to chime in & give some guidance.
Cheers,
kev
now that I think about it my Gmail has not been working either. I am not getting notifications of new mail. When I launch Gmail and hit refresh it will get my mail, but not automatically like it used to....must some google account issue????
make sure you log into Google talk which should fix the issue.
My experience also supports the need to be signed into Google Talk in order to download from the Market.
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I may have logged into google talk when I first rooted...but I have not touched that app since. I tried to launch it and it kicks me back to my home screen right away. Tried a reboot..same thing.
re-rooted, problem solved.
I rooted my Nook Last night, everything seemed to work fine as well. now( about an hour ago) the Marketplace stopped downloading.
Is re-rooting the only answer?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks
hey guys just wanted to ask quickly if anyone has ran into the issue of gmail not sending emails. whether its a reply or a new message it just sits on "sending" & the recipient never gets it. appears they simply stick in the outbox
i've tried re-installing gmail to no avail.
anyone ran into this & fixed it?
thanks in advance guys
Seems to be working fine for me.
I too cannot send from Gmail. I have not had time to investigate the cause. I rarely use the nook for email purpose so it is on the bottom of my priority list. I am also curious if anyone else is experiencing this. I will post if I find a solution.
I just tested a new compose and a forward on my NC and it's fine. It took it a bit longer than I expected for it to go through, but both messages made it to the recipient.
thanks guys! more so looking for someone who IS having or HAS had the problem. good to know it works for everyone else tho. i'm sure its something we did while playing around.
no gmail send function
New Nook Color..
I have just installed Cyano 7.2 rc1 and also gapp but I can not do these:
1. Can read gmail fine by using browser .. to gmail.com. for some reason it uses my usual email address and password and shows my gmail fine although very slow to load. ( don't know how it got my login info!!)
2. If i try to reply or send I cannot write a reply as nothing seems to happen when I hit reply, all i get is the window waiting for me to type but no keyboard so I cannot enter a rply.
3. Under apps I cannot login to google , it rejects my email account and pwd. so I cannot access any apps.
4. If i am on google play and try to download I get a msg that I haven't got an account and my devcie is not recognised.
5. FYI If I try to access cyanomod settings I get this "Settings ( process com.android.settings ) stopped unexpectedly also same with google settings.
Please excuse this list but i cannot find anywhere on the net that resolves this issue. BTW It was exactly the same when I started with Cm 7.1 I am using clockwork boot to install the zip files from a microSD 8 GB class 4.
Ideas very welcomed.
Clean install ? Did you wipe data/ system / cache?
Wipe D Cache?
clean boot?
Thanks,
I did a "clean" boot clearing both cache and data. May be this doesn't really clean everything.. I have installed at least twice so I would like to to try a new install into a really cleaned up Nook. Can you please outline the steps for the clean up.
I am using clockwork for the SD initial boot.
Thank you.
BTW I wanted to get a log of what was happening but can't find a logcat except as an app and I can't access Market or google play yet due to "google login problem, mentioned in my first post.
ron themotorman
If you have Seal installed this happens.
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I have flashed a few times before trying Andromeda 2.0. I was really impressed with the reviews I've seen for Andromeda so I wanted to try it out.
I flashed back to stock using ODIN. I then backed up my apps and user data via Titanium. I flashed to Andromeda and had no problems at all initially. I went to restore all my apps and user data and then rebooted the phone. Immediately I started having a flood of Force Closes. I reflashed the ROM and tried restoring only my apps... seemed to work fine, Then I restored my user data one at a time and everything was OK till I got to my contacts, then rebooted and started getting Force Closes. It seemed to me that it was Swype that was Force Closing constantly.
I reflashed the ROM again and haven't restored anything and I'm fine now. I had Phoenix Rising 3.5 on the phone before I went to Andromeda, is there anything known that Andromeda might not like as a setting or user data coming from Phoenix Rising and if so is there a way around this whilst keeping my user data and settings?
I really am impressed with this ROM and would choose it as a day to day ROM if I was able to get all my settings back. For now I'm going back to Phoenix Rising but if anyone has any thoughts I'd appreciate it. Also, if the Andromeda devs see this I'd be happy to help with any experimenting or debugging to try and help them improve the ROM further.
Thanks!
your problem is that you restored ALL APPS AND USER DATA
go into Tibu, menu, batch, and RESTORE MISSING APPS AND DATA
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your problem is that you restored ALL APPS AND USER DATA
go into Tibu, menu, batch, and RESTORE MISSING APPS AND DATA
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Thanks, I'm trying that now...
Edit: So I did that and I've got my apps back but none of my user data (contacts, call history etc) came back...
Ok. I've been plugging away at this all day... I'm not sure what's going wrong. If I do "Restore Missing" I get all my apps for sure, but I get none of my settings such as contacts, wireless access points etc. If I restore contacts I start to get force closes and yet I am unable to open my contacts... Any ideas?
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is there some reason you dont use google to sync your contacts so you dont have to worry about stuff like that?
i have an exchange account and a gmail, i never lose my contacts, and i dont have to restore them, just log in.
as far as using TiBu to restore those items, if they are green in the backup/restore section, they should be ok to restore data only...
Yeah google syncs my contacts but not all my phone contacts for some reason... It's odd that I couldn't get that to work. Andromeda is such am impressive ROM, but I had to switch back to Phoenix if I wanted to see my contacts... I'll give it a shot with another revision perhaps... Thanks for trying to help out.
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did you by chance find any fix for this? i am having the same issue.. did the restore missing apps + data and then went in and loaded my backup of contacts and sms and the other ones that were in green and after reboot, constantly getting the swype fc.. and i cant go into my contacts.. did you just have to re do the flash and reload the backup again? and just sync with google and not have your contacts?
Ultimately that's what I would have had to do but since I'm on call this weekend and need my work contacts that didn't sync through google I had to revert to Phoenix 4.0 for the time being. I read over on android central's forum there might be a solution but I haven't had a chance to get clarification and try it yet.
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thats kewl Earendil.. i would love to hear if you end up finding a fix for this.. ill keep searching as well just in case. .but synced mine for now.. think its just missing a few. .but wife has the ones i am missing in her phone (least hope she didnt delete ;P ) will continue to test and worste case, i like cog more and go back to it and i have it saved for that
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