Hello,
I'm really hesitating, any advice welcome.
I presently have a 8310 and my main uses are Exchange ActiveSync, internet browsing (long commutes) and SMS.
I would like a new 3G WiFi phone with a bigger screen, if possible faster, and GPS would be cool.
The TyTn II seems almost perfect but I hear the batteries are limited, it is not that fast & there are 3D problems. So I guess there will be a TyTn III, but when?
The Cruise seems cool, but is it easy to write small text messages?
So really the question is, TyTn II, Cruise or wait?
Thanks,
Cedric
If they could get the TyTN II Radio chip & the video preformance to work I would say TyTN II.
Or else Touch Cruise.
But the Cruise looks ugly :O
I would wait for the Touch Cruise II.
eddythepeddy said:
I would wait for the Touch Cruise II.
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Thanks.
Which issues do you see with the present Touch Cruise?
I would stay away from HTC products altogether. Unless customer service is not important for you and you enjoy companies treating you like s*** after you've paid their products dearly..
I exchanged 4 TyTN IIs (ATT Tilt version) before finally getting one without a problem. I almost even went back to the original TyTN (ATT 8525).
So I say wait for a new release.
ericc191 said:
I exchanged 4 TyTN IIs (ATT Tilt version) before finally getting one without a problem. I almost even went back to the original TyTN (ATT 8525).
So I say wait for a new release.
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Tilt sucks anyway
I would go for the Cruise. Texting without a physical keyboard is not that important anymore with the invent of innovative soft keyboards (SIP's) such as the Cooket's TouchPal and the PCM keyboard.
Presently I have the TyTn II and I find myself using the slide out keyboard less and less and most of the time I am using Cootek's Touchpal for example this message.
srmz said:
I would go for the Cruise. Texting without a physical keyboard is not that important anymore with the invent of innovative soft keyboards (SIP's) such as the Cooket's TouchPal and the PCM keyboard.
Presently I have the TyTn II and I find myself using the slide out keyboard less and less and most of the time I am using Cootek's Touchpal for example this message.
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Yes, I posted about this yesterday as well. I am leaning towards selling my Tilt and getting the Cruise when it comes out, but it really depends on whether the touch screen is better. If it the same as the Tilt (not sensitive enough for scrolling and swiping plus prone to unintentional taps), I'll stick with the Tilt.
My post...
Touch screen features on Kaiser vs Elf/Cruise
Not that I am really disappointed with the Kaiser, but I have been wondering as of late if the Crusie might be a better fit for me. All things considered, internally the two are pretty similar with the only additional feature of the Crusie being FM radio, which I would probably use.
Externally, the Cruise goes SANS keyboard in favor of the touch screen. In keeping with the touch screen design, it has far fewer buttons over all and has a slight size advantage.
So looking at it, the package is pretty attractive, seems less prone to mechanical wear and tear and I find myself wondering if I could do without the slide out keyboard. I am pretty good with the block recognizer, and in cases where I might use a keyboard, some of the adaptations of the iPhone soft keyboard seem like they would be a decent alternative for my relatively light keyboard use.
Getting down to it though, I am a bit concerned I would be disappointed with the touch screen, and if the touch screen does not work well, I would definitely rather have the keyboard.
So my question is if anyone has some hard facts on the differences between the screen technologies. does it work like the iPhone where it responds only to touch, not to inadvertant tabs while in you pocket or in the case?
Can anyone can provide a "hands on" comparison between using the touch features on the Kasier, vs using the touch features on the Cruise. Or given that the Cruise is pertty new, is the Elf screen technology exactly the same such that trying one out would give me a good indication of how the Cruise would work?
xmoo said:
Tilt sucks anyway
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why, because you were lucky enough to pay more for your version?
anyways, i say get the tytn II now, as the anticipation and wait for it took a long time to materialize, and its replacement hasn't really leaked yet even. the kaisers and tilts i've seen and had were definitely problem-free.
Thanks for all the inputs.
Seems that the screen keyboard works good enough to replace a hardware one.
I'll have a look at the Polaris when it is available and if it's not as ugly as it looks I'll go for it.
Otherwise I'll wait for a Touch II, which I hope will have a decent processor, Wifi, 3G+, GPS and who knows perhaps a VGA screen
I'm sorry, WHAT? let's try some logical deductive reasoning... okay?
jgermuga said:
Yes, I posted about this yesterday as well. I am leaning towards selling my Tilt and getting the Cruise when it comes out, but it really depends on whether the touch screen is better. If it the same as the Tilt (not sensitive enough for scrolling and swiping plus prone to unintentional taps), I'll stick with the Tilt.
My post...
Touch screen features on Kaiser vs Elf/Cruise
Not that I am really disappointed with the Kaiser, but I have been wondering as of late if the Crusie might be a better fit for me. All things considered, internally the two are pretty similar with the only additional feature of the Crusie being FM radio, which I would probably use.
Externally, the Cruise goes SANS keyboard in favor of the touch screen. In keeping with the touch screen design, it has far fewer buttons over all and has a slight size advantage.
So looking at it, the package is pretty attractive, seems less prone to mechanical wear and tear and I find myself wondering if I could do without the slide out keyboard. I am pretty good with the block recognizer, and in cases where I might use a keyboard, some of the adaptations of the iPhone soft keyboard seem like they would be a decent alternative for my relatively light keyboard use.
Getting down to it though, I am a bit concerned I would be disappointed with the touch screen, and if the touch screen does not work well, I would definitely rather have the keyboard.
So my question is if anyone has some hard facts on the differences between the screen technologies. does it work like the iPhone where it responds only to touch, not to inadvertant tabs while in you pocket or in the case?
Can anyone can provide a "hands on" comparison between using the touch features on the Kasier, vs using the touch features on the Cruise. Or given that the Cruise is pertty new, is the Elf screen technology exactly the same such that trying one out would give me a good indication of how the Cruise would work?
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I'm going let comments above stand for themselves as I present some real facts for consideration:
Tilt/kaiser/tytn II: screen sensitivity is adjustable and may be calibrated bilinearly with the apropriate software through the rom, or during field test mode.
- processor is 2x as powerful as the touch.
- 4x amount of ram & 2x the amount for rom, AND can handle larger sd cards that the elf.
ELF's digitizer is the very same as the kaiser but based on multi-point user interface, which was in final stages of delopment/testing when kaiser was released. it's predacessor (8525/hermes) had the same screen as the 8125/Wizard.
the tilt is quick both using it's own IE App or to tether s the conection for a pc or laptop.
look at the raw specks and capabilities hands down, it's not even questionable, tilt overpowers the touch period. it's a fact, plain and simple. the only purpose for the elf was htc's knee jerk response to the iphone, before they knew what horrendous disasters the iphones were going to become.
seriously, I've field tested all the PDA phones for cingular/att plus a few others including touch. touch was designed around an interface. focused on ensuring the interface thread priority superceeded all else... good for apearance, nothing else.
I have two Tilts and one Kaiser.
I have had no problems with them.
Maybe I am not as demanding as other people.
The Tilts are running Dutty's HTC Hybrid Final as is the Kaiser.
Have tried all the new ROM's but always come back to it.
Wait for a new release or, if the size / weight isn't a problem, get a HTC Universal. I think the Tilt will be only worth the price if and only if the 3D / video drivers are fixed - in no way in its present state. (Of course, if you won't want to play back movies / play games at all, this won't be an issue for you.)
Alternatively, you might want to consider getting the Nokia N95, particularly if you're into multimedia and don't necessarily need touchscreen / thumbboard - you'll love it with the new, v20 firmware. It's just lovely: lightweight, very fast, is Next Gen N-Gage compliant, has 3D hardware acceleration, has the best multimedia features (built-in, stereo speakers, built-in even UPnP support and a decent A2DP implementation - much better than that of the Tilt / Kaiser) and knows a lot "out of the box", even w/o installing third-party apps.
djblu said:
I'm going let comments above stand for themselves as I present some real facts for consideration:
Tilt/kaiser/tytn II: screen sensitivity is adjustable and may be calibrated bilinearly with the apropriate software through the rom, or during field test mode.
- processor is 2x as powerful as the touch.
- 4x amount of ram & 2x the amount for rom, AND can handle larger sd cards that the elf.
ELF's digitizer is the very same as the kaiser but based on multi-point user interface, which was in final stages of delopment/testing when kaiser was released. it's predacessor (8525/hermes) had the same screen as the 8125/Wizard.
the tilt is quick both using it's own IE App or to tether s the conection for a pc or laptop.
look at the raw specks and capabilities hands down, it's not even questionable, tilt overpowers the touch period. it's a fact, plain and simple. the only purpose for the elf was htc's knee jerk response to the iphone, before they knew what horrendous disasters the iphones were going to become.
seriously, I've field tested all the PDA phones for cingular/att plus a few others including touch. touch was designed around an interface. focused on ensuring the interface thread priority superceeded all else... good for apearance, nothing else.
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That's a good comparison of the TyTN II to the Touch, but I think he was asking about the Touch Cruise? Same CPU and memory, etc. How is typing on the touch screen for a short SMS?
My device, Axim X51V, is quite a fast one, or this is my impression about this kind of CPU's. Touchpal made me feel I was using a 200MHz OMAP.
So after a few tests in which I've seen it doesn't do much I've uninstalled it quickly. Sorry, but there are better alternatives, so I won't stick to something inferior.
If anyone needs to know, I'm currently using FTPRO, it's simply the best KB so far, you can download the CAB Attached and give it a try. More details on www.fingertouchpro.com
Ciao!
Cedricm said:
Hello,
I'm really hesitating, any advice welcome.
I presently have a 8310 and my main uses are Exchange ActiveSync, internet browsing (long commutes) and SMS.
I would like a new 3G WiFi phone with a bigger screen, if possible faster, and GPS would be cool.
The TyTn II seems almost perfect but I hear the batteries are limited, it is not that fast & there are 3D problems. So I guess there will be a TyTn III, but when?
The Cruise seems cool, but is it easy to write small text messages?
So really the question is, TyTn II, Cruise or wait?
Thanks,
Cedric
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If you were getting into this a little earlier in the year i would tell you to get the tilt or htc kaiser hands down.... (same phone).
But since you are just now looking, and the HTC Diamond and HTC Touch Pro are right around the corner....I personally would recommend waiting to see what they are about. Then, watch some youtube videos, read some ACTUAL reviews from people who have the phone (not companies who review the phone). If you still want it then, buy one of those.
Many of the current devices out have issues, or flaws, that won't or SHOULDN'T exist in the upcoming series of phones. The Diamond specifically appears to have resolved most of the problems we see with our Kaiser/Tilt's.
So... my suggestion, wait it out for at least another month or so... IF you can.
Oh, and there's always the iphone 3g, and yes i'm totally 100% serious. It's a nice little gadget (even if everyone on this forum is in denial about it and hates them for some reason).
I am going to switch my hermes into something new, I have the S730, HTC Touch, Touch Dual and Kaiser in my hands right now, and I just cant decide!!
and if that wasn't enough, I also have the Cruise to choose as well.
But which one? I really like the Touch models (leaning toward the Htc Touch and not the Dual) because of their size, they are perfect to just have in your pocket. However, GPS and 3G would be nice! and that has the Kaiser and the Cruise. So there it is just a matter of keyboard and fat or no keyboard and slim.
what should I choose? i don't use the keyboard that much, but hey, it is there waiting for me and it is alot faster typing with the keyboard, but on the other hand, slim is nice too..
what would you have choosen?
Kaiser can do a lot more that the oter phones.
But all of them have 1 problem. VIDEO DRIVERS
Why would you buy from HTC again after this latest debacle? Look at the new imates or the Eten phones.
Blowfish64 said:
Why would you buy from HTC again after this latest debacle? Look at the new imates or the Eten phones.
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first of all we don't have eten or Imates in sweden (as far as I know), second I would like to have the Iphone, which is also not availible in sweden, third, my company has settled for htc as their product of choice. I am aware of the driver problems, but not sure how that inflect with a business phone as kaiser for example.
cause this affects 3d and video performance which is not my first priority (although it certainly is nice to watch videos and play some games once in a while)
Blowfish64 said:
Why would you buy from HTC again after this latest debacle? Look at the new imates or the Eten phones.
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Somebody tell me if I'm wrong here but aren't iMates just re-branded HTC units?? AFIAK...
The only thing they change is the start-up screen and a few app's!!
In fact, the last ROM update I had from them for my iMate JasJam (Wizard) still had the HTC boot screen on it.
Hi All
Really interested in some opinions here.
I am on my second Kaiser in the shape of a Vodafone V1615. The first one I sent back as the key cluster on the front was really loose. This one is better but the qwerty keyboard seems pretty poor. What I mean specifically is that certain keys (the "Y" is worst) just dont have any tactile feedback making typing a rather nasty experience.
I think the keyboard overall is pretty rubbish compared to the likes of the Universal and dare I say it my Blackberry 8800. What do people think? Is this another dodgy one?
This is an expensive piece of kit, I dont see why I should have to tolerate poor build or quality control quality!
The craftsmanship of my tilt is excellent. Send it back until you're happy.
Keyboard is the worst part in Kaiser
I hardly use the keyboard, and few keys have stopped working already. I take care of my Kaiser very well.
Use it or lose it... You need to use it more.
A friend of mine has had 6 and and they have all had there problems! I just cant see that they are made very well at all.
Maybe its a problem with the UK sourced Vodafone branded ones???
i use my keyboard on regular basis writing messages and emails and haven't had any issues so far
fractal47 said:
Hi All
Really interested in some opinions here.
I am on my second Kaiser in the shape of a Vodafone V1615. The first one I sent back as the key cluster on the front was really loose. This one is better but the qwerty keyboard seems pretty poor. What I mean specifically is that certain keys (the "Y" is worst) just dont have any tactile feedback making typing a rather nasty experience.
I think the keyboard overall is pretty rubbish compared to the likes of the Universal and dare I say it my Blackberry 8800. What do people think? Is this another dodgy one?
This is an expensive piece of kit, I dont see why I should have to tolerate poor build or quality control quality!
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I like very much the Tilt, but I also have the keyboard issue... my "S" key is very less responsive than others, it's very annoying...
Try my solution
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=431925
My D-K buttons used to not work, and the H button was the worst. but I installed a cab and it fixed it. I found it in the kaiser wiki. here. good luck!
I have sold my cruise but now I'm interesting to diamond some advice? I' ve some troubles about it
if u can wait buy htc touch pro. has everything diamond does (minus front camera) plus a hardware kb and memory slot.
thesire said:
if u can wait buy htc touch pro. has everything diamond does (minus front camera) plus a hardware kb and memory slot.
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I saw...and it has also flash... why minus front camera?
i could only speculate, but it's probably pretty cramped in there..
some info about release dates of touch pro??
SMASH1902 said:
some info about release dates of touch pro??
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Later this summer i would imagine...no price but i would take a guess that its going to be a bit more expensive than the Diamond.
i have sold my polaris and i'm waiting for touch pro now i have only a sonyericsson z600 damn
i think real keyboard is meaningless. Diamond without a real keyboard is better, when you hold it on your hand, you will feel it looks more like a real phone. not holding a huge monster on your hand.
the new virtual full QWERTY keyboard will change your mind. find any friends can hand you to try the real HTC diamond.
FFS why do people moan on about the keyboard adding thickness. It's 6.7mm extra, that's like an ipod nano.
So if you already have a thinner device, please say, but if not, then don't moan.
Ok I did some research on all HTC's Pocket PC Phones and came up with thse devices whch are thinner
Artemis 16.8mm
Niki 15.8mm
Polaris 15.5mm
Elf 13.9mm
Advantage 16mm
So this shows us that the Touch Pro is the thinnest device that HTC has produced with a proper keyboard
Specs here
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...11&id7=736&id8=729&id9=733&id10=506&id11=1320
andrewloh said:
i think real keyboard is meaningless. Diamond without a real keyboard is better, when you hold it on your hand, you will feel it looks more like a real phone. not holding a huge monster on your hand.
the new virtual full QWERTY keyboard will change your mind. find any friends can hand you to try the real HTC diamond.
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I had a tytn and a touch cruise...cruise is more handling because was more slim but keyboard on tytn was very useful...
Some specs stop me in my decision:
htc diamond: positive ---> it is present a 4gb hd
negative--->no flash camera e no expansion slot
htc touch pro: positive ---> flash camera more ram than in diamond expansion slot
negative----->qwerty keyboard is more useful but the device it is no so handling as diamond
rorydaredkign said:
FFS why do people moan on about the keyboard adding thickness. It's 6.7mm extra, that's like an ipod nano.
So if you already have a thinner device, please say, but if not, then don't moan.
Ok I did some research on all HTC's Pocket PC Phones and came up with thse devices whch are thinner
Artemis 16.8mm
Niki 15.8mm
Polaris 15.5mm
Elf 13.9mm
Advantage 16mm
So this shows us that the Touch Pro is the thinnest device that HTC has produced with a proper keyboard
Specs here
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...11&id7=736&id8=729&id9=733&id10=506&id11=1320
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We have every right to moan about the keyboard. Some of us just don't need it, and it increases the thickness by around 50% (and decreases the style by 90%).
In automotive terms, it's a bit like buying a car with a steering wheel and a rudder. confused
Anyway, the fact that it has a flash is good, and the keyboard does seem to be one of the best that HTC have produced. I might get one as a backup device...
Decreases style by 90%?
And how do you measure style?
Considering some of the things you've called stylish, I shall disregard this comment
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Decreases style by 90%?
And how do you measure style?
Considering some of the things you've called stylish, I shall disregard this comment
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lol
I'm obviously just pointing out that it looses a lot of its style through its thickness.
Hi all,
I recently acquired a TyTn 2 having previously owned one (in the guise of the Vario 3) and being distincly unimpressed with it. Having tried a number of different ROMS with this one I've finally settled on Dutty's Diamond V1 and I'm pretty happy.
I have a dilemma though, and it is mainly caused by shortcomings i've experienced in the device. These are:
1 - the GPS is useless. Other people seem to have the same problem too. I've tried different radios and different ROMs and have finally changed to an external bluetooth module after giving up hope of getting a fix with the internal gubbins.
2 - the camera is terrible: granted I've come from an N95 but seriously guys, the camera on the kaiser is so slow with such dreadful colour reproduction that I simply haven't been using it AT ALL.
3 - the slide-out keyboard is unreliable and cramped. I regularly found that it had missed out letters or spaces in sentences. I now use the diamond keypad all the time and I really like it.
NOW HERE'S THE QUESTION.
Since I can't use internal GPS, don't use the camera and find the sliding keypad unreliable would I be better swapping for the Touch Dual? It's cheaper, a lot slimmer and doesn't seem to have worse spec than the TyTn 2 (unless I'm mistaken). Or has anyone else had the same problems I've had?
Is there any other advantage of the TyTn2 over the touch dual other than qwerty and GPS?
Cheers everyone
I've access to both devices, I personally use the TYTN2, and my partner fell in love with the touch plus (t-mo branded touch dual)
I find the tytn2 screen to be more responsive to touch, as the dual screen feels more flexible. GPS hasnt really been an issue for me, and seems to work fine, but I've also got a bluetooth GPS adapter, and that works fine with the Dual as well.
I prefer the weight of the TYTN2 as well, the smaller form factor of the dual makes it feel... more plasticy I guess.
I know you said you dont like the keyboard, but to be honest I think thats the main reason I prefer it. I like being able to rattle out an email without using a stylus, sure I miss letters every so often, but I do that typing on a keyboard too if I'm honest.
utimately, I think you'll find it comes down to form factor, as I cant really fault either device on its day to day running.
I have both the TyTN II and Touch Dual. There are things I like about both devices.
The TyTN II has better range/reception. The QWERTY keyboard is a huge plus. I don't use GPS so I can't comment. The TyTN II is faster. The screen size is another plus.
The Touch Dual is smaller and fits in your hand better (which is a huge plus). The text input is smart, but not a replacement to a full QWERTY, but it does work well. The ROM seems to be perfected compared to the TyTN II ROM. The dialer is a plus.
I use my TyTN II more, especially during business hours, but I like the Touch Dual.
I can't wait for the quad-band Diamond/Touch Pro.
Rom and Radio
madmatt079 said:
I have both the TyTN II and Touch Dual. There are things I like about both devices.
The TyTN II has better range/reception. The QWERTY keyboard is a huge plus. I don't use GPS so I can't comment. The TyTN II is faster. The screen size is another plus.
The Touch Dual is smaller and fits in your hand better (which is a huge plus). The text input is smart, but not a replacement to a full QWERTY, but it does work well. The ROM seems to be perfected compared to the TyTN II ROM. The dialer is a plus.
I use my TyTN II more, especially during business hours, but I like the Touch Dual.
I can't wait for the quad-band Diamond/Touch Pro.
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Please, you have as making available this rom and Radio, therefore I locked my Kaiser. Thank you.