Root cause analysis to WLAN dead problem (WLAN ERRON) - P3600 Software Upgrading

I'm starting this thread hoping to pinpoint what is causing the WLAN dead problem on Trinitys. So if you recently joined the dead WLAN club, please share your experience and post here the steps you've done before noticing this (example: flashing WM6.5 ROM or official Dopod ROM, downgrading HardSPL 1.3->1.2, flashing radio ROM, customizing the splash/bootscreen, running CID unlock etc).
If you're searching for a thread where fixes to this problem are investigated please check this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=490681
The number of devices with this problem increased exponentialy with WM6.5 ROMs, but there are reports of this problems of 2 years ago.
On HERMES the block numbers of NAND flash are like this:
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0x500a0000 Page0
Block5 CID, S/N
0x500bffff Page63
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0x500c0000 Page0
Block6 WLAN
0x500dffff Page63
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0x500e0000 Page0
Block7 MainSplash
0x500fffff Page63
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0x50100000 Page0
Block8 MainSplash
0x5011ffff Page63
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0x50120000
...
And these memory blocks seem similar to Trinity. The devices with dead WLAN all have the "block 6" corrupted. Although there are fixes to get block 6 out of corrupted state, just that doesn't fix the WLAN.
Since next to "block 6" are the MainSplash screen, I'm wondering if the customized boot screens on cooked ROMs are causing this?
When I upgraded from WM5 official rom to WM6.5 tommei45 ROM, I remained having just 2 splash screens and WLAN was working.
After flashing some other WM6.5 ROMs, and then the official WM6.0 ROM from Dopod I now get 3 splash screens like in the video below:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPyCqGmMdx0
The sound of the video is perfectly in sync. It was always like this. I hear the sound of the apple being smashed before the event. That is another hint that makes me think there’s something wrong here.
- Is this supposed to be like this, or when I turn on the phone I should see right away the Apple being smashed by HTC logo?
- Anyone was 3 splash screens + windows splash like me and working WLAN after having WM6.5 ROM?

arpcpro said:
- Anyone was 3 splash screens + windows splash like me and working WLAN after having WM6.5 ROM?
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You have 2 splash:
1) HTC innovation
2) The oooooo logo
After that, you got an HTCAnimation:
3) Plays animated.gif or whatever file specified in the registry. Whith schaps advanced config you can modify it.

Hi arpcpro.
Thank you for starting this thread. Hopefully, it will get more attention on the problem.
As far as the Startup Animation goes, I'd really be surprised if that is the issue, but I'm not going to say it isn't since this whole thing really is a mystery.
That is most likely my Startup Animation you see there. I borrowed the Graphic from another member, and created the sound file myself. Both are standard files, with nothing strange that I know of.
HTC inserts animated startups and sounds into their ROMs regularly, and I've only used their method to create this one. The sound being out of sync is just due to the sequence that WM starts up. Again, I'm not going to say this has nothing to do with it, because I don't know for sure.
One thing I don't understand is why your Splash screen remains like that after flashing "official WM6.0 ROM from Dopod". Whenever I flash my OEM WM6.0 ROM back on, it overwrites my IPL, SPL, OS, EXT, and customized animated screen with the OEM versions. I don't see the apple screen anymore until I flash one of my custom ROMs again.
When did I loose my WLAN?
After reading more, and looking back to what I did, I believe I lost my WLAN either during a failed Radio Flash, or when reverting from Olipro 1.30 back to Olipro 1.20. I don't think there is any problem with either of his HardSPLs by the way, I just think it was the method I used to revert. Because I had people on my thread saying they had lost their WLAN, I purposely broke my WLAN in the hopes of helping to figure out this mystery. So, during the Radio Flash, and during the HardSPL reverting, I pulled my cable in the middle. I also did a few other dangerous things, in the hopes of breaking my WLAN. Well, it worked. Now, it's not coming back up yet, as is the case with others.
Also, I've been told that possibly it can happen when using the latest RUU Updater while in WM. If you flash from WM, it will likely fail. I always flash from the Boot Screen, so I've never had a failure. But one member told me he thought if it failed during flashing from WM, it might cause a corruption of the eeprom. This is due to the fact that the latest RUU Updater will take you to SPL 107.des, which bypasses Olipro's HardSPLs. I guess this could leave the phone vulnerable to problems during a failed Flash. The protection of HardSPL is circumvented in this case.
Again, thank you for starting this thread. Hopefully, we can gather similar information and narrow down the cause of this problem. Then we can prevent future WLAN failures and hopefully find a fix for this.
PS: I've subsequently pulled all my ROMs from the forums until this is remedied, in the event that they might have anything to do with this.

mtty info
When i enter info 8 in mtty the information shown is something like this:
Cmd>info 8
Block 0x0(0) is Reversed block
Block 0x1(1) is Reversed block
Block 0x2(2) is Reversed block
Block 0x3(3) is Reversed block
Block 0x4(4) is Reversed block
Block 0x5(5) is Reversed block
Block 0x6(6) is BAD block !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Block 0x6(6) is Reversed block
Block 0x7(7) is Reversed block
Block 0x8(8) is Reversed block
Block 0x9(9) is Reversed block
Block 0xA(10) is Reversed block
Block 0xB(11) is Reversed block
Block 0xC(12) is Reversed block
so i also have a BAD 6th block , i've used Supersport's roms several times , but i still have WLAN working, so maybe block 6 isn't the problem for Wlan not to work , i'm not a guru , only present you some information , hope this helps

Th3Hunter said:
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so i also have a BAD 6th block , i've used Supersport's roms several times , but i still have WLAN working, so maybe block 6 isn't the problem for Wlan not to work , i'm not a guru , only present you some information , hope this helps
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Don't try to repair it. Doing it, I lost my WLAN. Just, keep it.
Best regards !

nikitto said:
Don't try to repair it. Doing it, I lost my WLAN. Just, keep it.
Best regards !
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10x for the advice , i won't try , i even stopped flashing for a while until a resolution for this problem appears.I hope someone could figure it out soon

Thank you all for the feedback received until now.
One thing I don't understand is why your Splash screen remains like that after flashing "official WM6.0 ROM from Dopod". Whenever I flash my OEM WM6.0 ROM back on, it overwrites my IPL, SPL, OS, EXT, and customized animated screen with the OEM versions. I don't see the apple screen anymore until I flash one of my custom ROMs again.
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Clarification to this... I made a typo when saying on my first post that I have 3 splash screens with WM6.0 ROM. The video and the 3 splash screens are from one of SuperSport WM6.5 ROM's that I flashed after WM6.0.
It was the first time I saw 2 splash screens + HTC animation so I didn't knew if this was ok. And since the splash screens were on block 7 and 8 right after WLAN block I was wondering if it had something to do with the problem. But now after reading your explanations it also doesn't seem likely to me.
Also, I've been told that possibly it can happen when using the latest RUU Updater while in WM. If you flash from WM, it will likely fail. I always flash from the Boot Screen, so I've never had a failure. But one member told me he thought if it failed during flashing from WM, it might cause a corruption of the eeprom. This is due to the fact that the latest RUU Updater will take you to SPL 107.des, which bypasses Olipro's HardSPLs. I guess this could leave the phone vulnerable to problems during a failed Flash. The protection of HardSPL is circumvented in this case.
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I have Radio Rom 1.56xxx. But whenever I want to run the Trin_Unlock_v1.exe it needs to downgrade the Radio ROM to 1.23xxx because only on that version there's the exploit that allows to unlock phone and make it Super CID.
Recently I've always launched the CID unlocker updater from within WM. It loads SPL 1.07Des and flashes the Radio ROM 1.23xxx bypassing Olipro's HardSPL.
So indeed that seems a very likely source of the problem and I remember doing that between my ROM testing on the day before noticing I didn't had WLAN.
Don't try to repair it. Doing it, I lost my WLAN. Just, keep it.
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First time I hear that one. Interesting...

Hey guys why someone with a broken WLAN give a shot on this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322225&highlight=WLAN first post, everybody says that hermes and trinity are nearly the same devices,so somebody who doesn't care much if his trinity will broke more than in this state (it sounds a little bit selfish, but ) i think that the idea is the same and if we don't try won't succeed , i can provide the non-broken part of the eeprom , coz my wlan is still working so if there is someone who wants it tell me , tomorrow i'll see if it will extract it and if it does i'll post it here

Th3Hunter said:
Hey guys why someone with a broken WLAN give a shot on this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322225&highlight=WLAN first post, everybody says that hermes and trinity are nearly the same devices,so somebody who doesn't care much if his trinity will broke more than in this state (it sounds a little bit selfish, but ) i think that the idea is the same and if we don't try won't succeed , i can provide the non-broken part of the eeprom , coz my wlan is still working so if there is someone who wants it tell me , tomorrow i'll see if it will extract it and if it does i'll post it here
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I think a lot of us would like a working eeprom. If you can get that, I'd be more than willing to flash what you have. Also, can you state the Radio version you have when you dump it? That way, I'll be sure to have the same one installed. Thanks Th3Hunter.

Th3Hunter said:
Hey guys why someone with a broken WLAN give a shot on this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322225&highlight=WLAN ...
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Thanks. We are aware of that procedure but it was discarded because:
Do not use hermes eeprom data (herm1.nb file) as hermes uses ACX100 wlan chip and Trinity TNETW1251. Eerprom length of hermes is 417 bytes long and Trinity is 661.
The most close to trinity eeprom data are from kaiser.
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arpcpro said:
But now after reading your explanations it also doesn't seem likely to me.
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One thing I thought of, but don't know if it could happen. What if the Graphic I used was a little larger than an Original OEM graphic? Would this cause it to overwrite another area? Just a thought as I never checked the size, I just used what was given. Although it doesn't get written to eeprom, only to Windows Directory, so that's probably not it.
arpcpro said:
I have Radio Rom 1.56xxx. But whenever I want to run the Trin_Unlock_v1.exe it needs to downgrade the Radio ROM to 1.23xxx because only on that version there's the exploit that allows to unlock phone and make it Super CID.
Recently I've always launched the CID unlocker updater from within WM. It loads SPL 1.07Des and flashes the Radio ROM 1.23xxx bypassing Olipro's HardSPL.
So indeed that seems a very likely source of the problem and I remember doing that between my ROM testing on the day before noticing I didn't had WLAN.
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I'm a little confused here. Is it necessary to Super CID using Trin_Unlock_v1.exe after flashing the OEM ROM? I only flash HardSPL after, and thought that took care of Super CID. Is that wrong?

arpcpro said:
Thanks. We are aware of that procedure but it was discarded because:
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Also, for the record, I DID try it. I changed the ID to Trin100 and flashed it. Nothing.... But thank you. We appreciate everyone searching for an answer.

arpcpro said:
Thanks. We are aware of that procedure but it was discarded because:
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Do not use hermes eeprom data (herm1.nb file) as hermes uses ACX100 wlan chip and Trinity TNETW1251. Eerprom length of hermes is 417 bytes long and Trinity is 661.
The most close to trinity eeprom data are from kaiser.
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I've understood the same, but this is strange... I'm just looking into Olipro 1.30 again, and found this at line 3D900: "TI ACX100..TI Test"
You can see it in the attached image.
So, do we in fact have the TI chip? I thought not, but this is confusing.
Does anybody have a link to the internal components of the Trinity? I remember one a long time ago, but have no idea where I saw it.

SuperSport said:
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I'm a little confused here. Is it necessary to Super CID using Trin_Unlock_v1.exe after flashing the OEM ROM? I only flash HardSPL after, and thought that took care of Super CID. Is that wrong?
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I didn't knew it worked flashing HardSPL directly after stock rom. When you flash the stock rom the HardSPL is removed. So I thought it was necessary to use the unlocker again to make it SuperCid in order to send again Olipro HardSPL.
I didn't find nothing reliable confirming the model of the WLAN chip Trin100 has. Service manual doesn't even mention that.

I did the things described in the above link from the hermes forum BUT
i've got the trin1.nb file and it is only 285 bytes big, when i opened it with the WordPad this is inside:
Cmd>task 32
Level = 0
Cmd>password BsaD5SeoA
Pass.
HTCST ЪИТHTCEPassWord: BsaD5SeoA
Cmd>set 1e 1
Cmd>rbmc me.txt 500a0000 40000
GetExtRomData+(): *pszPathName=me.txt, dwStartAddress=500A0000, dwLength=40000
:F=me.txt
:A=500A0000
:L=00040000
:rbmc=

Cmd>
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what does this mean ? empty ?
before you think something else i haven't downgrade to Olipro's 1.20, in my tri-color screen writes:
TRIN100
IPL-1.00
TRIN100
SPL-9.99CP
my radio rom is 1.56.70.11
ROM: 6.5.23017 by tomme45i

I also get that same result when trying the Hermes procedure. Not sure why it happens but I have HardSPL 1.3 and its the same.

arpcpro said:
I didn't knew it worked flashing HardSPL directly after stock rom. When you flash the stock rom the HardSPL is removed. So I thought it was necessary to use the unlocker again to make it SuperCid in order to send again Olipro HardSPL.
I didn't find nothing reliable confirming the model of the WLAN chip Trin100 has. Service manual doesn't even mention that.
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I go straight from the OEM ROM to Olipro HardSPL using SSPL_TRIN.exe. Start SSPL_TRIN.exe from a running WM OS, then flash HardSPL from the resulting Boot Screen.

SuperSport said:
I've understood the same, but this is strange... I'm just looking into Olipro 1.30 again, and found this at line 3D900: "TI ACX100..TI Test"
You can see it in the attached image.
So, do we in fact have the TI chip? I thought not, but this is confusing.
Does anybody have a link to the internal components of the Trinity? I remember one a long time ago, but have no idea where I saw it.
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yes!!
That's good !
but u don't understand?
is eeprom hermes !

arpcpro said:
I didn't knew it worked flashing HardSPL directly after stock rom. When you flash the stock rom the HardSPL is removed. So I thought it was necessary to use the unlocker again to make it SuperCid in order to send again Olipro HardSPL.
I didn't find nothing reliable confirming the model of the WLAN chip Trin100 has. Service manual doesn't even mention that.
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The Registry says the Trinity has a TNETW1251 aka WL1251.

Today during my investigations I came across this affirmation on a Malaysia forum:
QUOTE(soul78 @ Dec 2 2009, 12:15 AM)
Do stay away from 6.5 ROMs... my WIFI is dead after i've flashed it.. as it somehow corrupted the EEPROM for certain area which has the hardware wifi data.
After this no matter how much you flash your trinity it's dead already.. I would suggest just to stick to the original wm6 roms.
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RE: it sounds like u flashed a wm 6 radio rom on a 6.5 rom, hence your issue?
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Indeed that might be what caused the problem on my phone. Because before upgrading to my first WM6.5 cooked ROM I upgraded the radio ROM to the latest 1.56... And wi-fi was working in WM6.5.
But then I flashed WM6.0 original Dopod ROM that contains radio ROM too (probably an older version).
I then upgraded to WM6.5 and while in WM6.5 executed the CID/SIM_unlocker that installs a very old radio ROM version 1.23.. (because that version contains a bug that is exploited by the unlocker).
In my opinion this is the best explanation until now for this wlan dead problem. It was caused by some flashing error/incompatibility in Radio ROM.
In other cases who knows if installing a WM6.5 cooked ROM while maintaining an older Radio ROM version might be the cause for this problem on so many other phones that are now being flashed with WM6.5.
There's still nothing to fix it at the moment. The investigations continue but we haven't been sucessfull.
I also found more information regarding the Bad blocks on HTC:
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=25997&st=80
Translated: Quote ([email protected] 16:02:20)
any experimentation on the HTC Trinity may end up very sad. ... on hda such sacrifices already have .... ((( (((
they are here in my face
By the way today received a response from the bear-tim check that my animal back to life and there filled SuperTsID ... Today, they sent it to me ... Again, everything goes a clever way - through Tallinn ..
So that was the problem according Please take into-Check ...
Hello,
just managed to make it SuperCID. The problem with the device was that radio flash chip contains a not used area (usually used for bad blocks) which shifted everything in your device around. Up to now we only saw one other device with this behaviour. A bad block is nothing "bad" it is just normal for
flash memory. The running system has to compensate this blocks and use extra blocks reserved for this. Unfortunately it looks like HTC implemented this very poor and that's why we had so much trouble with your device.
Anyway now it is fixed and has SuperCID. You will NEVER have any problem with this again. You simply can flash ANY firmware now by just starting a standard RUU. The "bad" blocks in your radio are 100% compensated from the system and you really will never feel any disadvantages from this (it only
caused us a lot of trouble ;-))
Regards, IMEI-CHECK Team
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No data from device in MyUpgradeUt

My first post after reading for 10 hours looking for the right answer...
I guess the answer is out there but I just can't find it so please don't kill me....
I am trying to upgrade my Qtek 9090 (Blue Angel) to WM5. I've been very careful not to destroy my toy, and when trying to flash I stop, many times now and with different ROM's.
The problem:
When running MaUpgradeUt_noID on my screen it looks like the program shall fetch out data from my device, Rom version, ext rom, radio etc. It should also tell what versions to upgrade to, the only thing there is rom to be upgraded to, not ext. rom or radio.
I cut it there, afraid of ruining my device.
There is no "how to for dummies" with screenshots but I think I do it right, putting the device into bootloader mode and the screen said USB.
Is it just me and/or my device or can anybody help me out here?
What windows version you´re using?
Depending on the ROM you are uploading the screen can show many different things. But NOID version with WM5 used with BlueAngel shows ONLY sth like 5.xx.xx in new rom version and all other fields are empty - this looks odd but this is normal.
take out your SD card
jakubd said:
Depending on the ROM you are uploading the screen can show many different things. But NOID version with WM5 used with BlueAngel shows ONLY sth like 5.xx.xx in new rom version and all other fields are empty - this looks odd but this is normal.
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Well, then I did it and, YES, it worked!
Thanks!

Incomplete DeviceData.Txt

So, what's it mean when you run GetDeviceData.Exe and all you get in your ../windows/devicedata.txt file is "PH20B" ?
Strange, huh? I've tried it a couple of times. Always the same... Nothing but "PH20B". I'm also having the "No GSM" in the boot screen problem, and can't upgrade (well, load AT ALL!) my radio stack. In my device info screen the OS and Extended info are right, but Protocal and Radio are both blank now. This has all happened after trying to do a ROM upgrade tonight.
1. What (exactly) device you own? What was DeviceData BEFORE first upgrade?
2. What ROM you had, and which one you tried to load?
3. How did you do that (what procedure)? Have you omitted any steps?
Lets say you really own PH20B (Blueangel) then if the radio is inactive the devicedata.txt will not output the info from it. Reflash radio only
Also this may happen if you have flashed PH20A (Harrier) and you flashed WM5, go back to WM2003 and all will work fine
jakubd said:
1. What (exactly) device you own? What was DeviceData BEFORE first upgrade?
2. What ROM you had, and which one you tried to load?
3. How did you do that (what procedure)? Have you omitted any steps?
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Answers:
1: It is a HTC BlueAngel. It's one of those with just "PocketPC" on the front. No cell provider branding. I bought it off ebay last year. Don't know what the file showed before. Never had a problem, so I never looked.
2: Was running a I-Mate ROM since I bought it. But the radio was really old. The radio version was like .9xx . Don't remember exactly what. SHould have written it down. But it was less than 1.00, I know that for sure. I was upgrading to the Siemens 1.33 ROM with the 1.15 radio added on.
3: Used MaUpgradUt_NoID. Never been able to use BaUpgradeUt. It's always given a country ID error, but Ma..NoID has always worked before.
xplode said:
Lets say you really own PH20B (Blueangel) then if the radio is inactive the devicedata.txt will not output the info from it. Reflash radio only
Also this may happen if you have flashed PH20A (Harrier) and you flashed WM5, go back to WM2003 and all will work fine
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Yes. It is a blue angel for sure. See my reply above.
It's always been WM2003, and all I get when I try to flash ANY radio rom version to it now is a country ID error.
flash with noid app
maupgradeut_noid.exe
Yep. Already tried that. In fact, that's the ONLY way I've been able to do any upgrades at all since I bought the phone. Never have found a ROM that would work with BAupgradeUt.exe. Strange thing is, I can load the OS and EXT ROM's no problem using Ma..NoID.exe... Just not the Radio ROM. Even using NoID when I try to load a Radio ROM, it dies with a country code error. I believe the error is N-N-50-50-50 if that means anything to anyone. Any more ideas? I've tried all the obvious things I could think of. I wonder if maybe I could use a null data field in editfix.bat? That is, instead of using real data values from devicedata.txt like you normally would, replace the "???" in the .bat file with " ". Anyone know if that's even possible? Or should I just try taking it up to WM5, then back to 2003?
Thanks for all the thought and effort so far folks.

Kaiser / TyTN II WiFi Problem!

Dear all Kaiser anchestor,
I have a problem with my Kaiser. I really hope that all of you can help me. Ok? Please....
This is the problem :
At the begining, My HTC Kaiser run so slowly, sometimes freezing (Condition WM 6.1 with it's SPL 1.56)
After I read the same problem in jockyw2001 thread, then I tried to flash My device SPL to 3.28 (with the step in front of that thread and the SPL from that thread too)
Flashing the SPL to 3.28 was successfully and my device run fast now
BUT!!! I can't Enabled my WiFi!
Next, I tried to Re-Flash my SPL to 1.56 again, and it's done successfully. But, the WiFi still can't be enable.
Next step, I tried to downgrade the ROM to WM 6, and WHAT!
I still can't Enable my WiFi!
Now, I'd upgrade to WM6.1 again (official ROM from HTC website). But, the WiFi still can't be enable.
The condition when I enable the WiFi is loading then turn off by itself. What's the problem?
I really need all of your help for this.
This is my Device Information:
ROM Version :3.29.707.0 WWE
ROM Date : 05\07\08
Radio Version :1.65.16.25
Protocol Version : 25.83.40.02H
After upgrade to WM6.1, My Bootloader now is:
KAIS130
SPL-3.29.0000
CPLD-8
I'm stress already. Hope all you may spare some of your time for help me to solve the problem. Thanks before. For more detail, just watch the video that I record when tried to enable the wifi.
The url is : http://www.andrylim.com/others/WifiProblem.wmv
Whats wrong with running the HTC upgrade on your HTC original TyTN II?
andrylim said:
After upgrade to WM6.1, My Bootloader now is:
KAIS130
SPL-3.29.0000
CPLD-8
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Since you're interested in running the official HTC WM 6.1 version on your TyTN II then why not simply run the HTC Upgrade program which will reinstall everything required (SPL, Radio and ROM) in one easy go rather than have to upgrade this and that, bit by bit? If you have an official TyTN II you can get it from HTCs e-Club/Support or you can also download it from the XDA Kaiser Wiki ROM page. Note that my SPL is 3.28.0000 and thats all through the official upgrade path so maybe your SPL has something to do with it? See if the official upgrade installs on your device otherwise you'll have to revert to the correct SPL before trying again. Note that the newest WWE ROM upgrade now also comes with a (slightly) better radio as in my sig. Remember to take your sim and memory cards out before attempting the flash.
***Edit*** Just realised you're running the SEA rather than WWE HTC ROM I'm using so yes 3.29 looks to be the right SPL for your ROM, the rest still applies though.
Hmm...
Sorry Mr Flying Kiwi, I think you didn't read the message completely. I've already re-flash from OFFICIAL ROM WM6.1 from HTC e-Club. But, the same problem. It's not fix yet. I've reflash over than 5 times, downgrade to WM6 over than 2 times. an the result is the same. My WiFi Cannot be enable. I hope you can play the video that i record from the links up there (440kb only), so you will know my problem.
Thanks for your reply Boss!
or this one
The url is : http://www.andrylim.com/others/WifiProblem.wmv
Flying Kiwi said:
Since you're interested in running the official HTC WM 6.1 version on your TyTN II then why not simply run the HTC Upgrade program which will reinstall everything required (SPL, Radio and ROM) in one easy go rather than have to upgrade this and that, bit by bit? If you have an official TyTN II you can get it from HTCs e-Club/Support or you can also download it from the XDA Kaiser Wiki ROM page. Note that my SPL is 3.28.0000 and thats all through the official upgrade path so maybe your SPL has something to do with it? See if the official upgrade installs on your device otherwise you'll have to revert to the correct SPL before trying again. Note that the newest WWE ROM upgrade now also comes with a (slightly) better radio as in my sig. Remember to take your sim and memory cards out before attempting the flash.
***Edit*** Just realised you're running the SEA rather than WWE HTC ROM I'm using so yes 3.29 looks to be the right SPL for your ROM, the rest still applies though.
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Use the official upgrade package - not just the rom file
andrylim said:
Sorry Mr Flying Kiwi, I think you didn't read the message completely. I've already re-flash from OFFICIAL ROM WM6.1 from HTC e-Club.
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I read it alright but as you've not done it *using the officially supplied HTC upgrade package (not just the ROM file within it from HTC e-Club)* I reccomend you give that a try. No special hard spl version is reqd and as long as you have an official ROM to start with and you're upgrading or reinstalling the same ROM version, it's simply a case of running one file and following the instructions. Once you've got the reflash to run that way and completed the process, simply hard reset and then test your Wifi before installing anything further.
But, the same problem. It's not fix yet. I've reflash over than 5 times, downgrade to WM6 over than 2 times. an the result is the same. My WiFi Cannot be enable. I hope you can play the video that i record from the links up there (440kb only), so you will know my problem.
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Perhaps the capturing program over Activesync may be interfering with things (but I did view your wmv). What I am sure of is that if you have the correct ROM matched to your device and correctly installed with the right spl and radio, Wifi should work fine. Running the official upgrade is the easiest way to get this but if there is something non-official about your current setup, the upgrade program may refuse to run. Let us know if that happens. It's clear that you didn't do this in the beginning because you ended up with the wrong spl version for your rom so it's time to do it the official 'HTC Customer' way.
Hahaha.... thanks for your information. I'd tried yesterday. And still no response. ugh.... Btw, I've read from another thread (Athena). They said that someone ever got a problem like this. The cause is the WiFi MAC Address is missing/erased? Is it possible? I thought that MAC Address is a serial number of WiFi such as an IP, where saved in WiFi chip/device and cannot be erase. If do so, how to set an MAC address to the WiFi module? Do you have an idea? I'd tried to have a silly search about that address in Registry, but I cannot find any key that sounds about MAC Address. (Mac Gyver maybe?)
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I read it alright but as you've not done it *using the officially supplied HTC upgrade package (not just the ROM file within it from HTC e-Club)* I reccomend you give that a try. No special hard spl version is reqd and as long as you have an official ROM to start with and you're upgrading or reinstalling the same ROM version, it's simply a case of running one file and following the instructions. Once you've got the reflash to run that way and completed the process, simply hard reset and then test your Wifi before installing anything further.
Perhaps the capturing program over Activesync may be interfering with things (but I did view your wmv). What I am sure of is that if you have the correct ROM matched to your device and correctly installed with the right spl and radio, Wifi should work fine. Running the official upgrade is the easiest way to get this but if there is something non-official about your current setup, the upgrade program may refuse to run. Let us know if that happens. It's clear that you didn't do this in the beginning because you ended up with the wrong spl version for your rom so it's time to do it the official 'HTC Customer' way.
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Hahaha.... thanks for your information. I'd tried yesterday. And still no response. ugh...
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I was offering serious advice not pulling your leg. Now, when you say 'still no response yet' - precisely what do you mean (exactly what did you try and what happened)? I've flashed my Kaisers ROM a couple of times now using HTC official ROM upgrading packages and it's gone perfectly fine. As far as the MAC address goes, I know there are ways of changing it (because there is an extremely small possibility that you may end up with two identical MAC adresses on the same network and this will cause problems) but this won't be the culprit in your case. I think (again) the first thing to do is to use the official package (and only that - no additional tools/utilities are reqd) to get everything in order and let us know how that goes and what versions of everything you end up with.
This is the information that appears in my device now after re-upgrade the official ROM from HTC e-Club:
File name : RUU_Kaiser_DOPODASIA_WWE_3.29.707.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_Ship.exe
KAIS130
SPL-3.29.0000
CPLD-8
ROM version : 3.29.707.0 WWE
ROM date : 05/07/08
Radio version : 1.65.16.25
Protocol version : 25.83.40.02H
Btw, may i ask a question? I found something strange about a MAC address. Yesterday I'm not intention open the "Wireless LAN" from Settings > Connections > Wireless LAN
In Advance tab, there are Status, MAC, and IP. My Question is is the MAC address serial appears even you didn't enable a WiFi? In my device it's empty.
Btw, bro... I've been search a problem like this in this website. I've found the same problem in Athena thread. They said that the MAC address is missing, but some one make a fix but only for Athena.
this their URL: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387454&highlight=Athena+WiFi+Problem&page=5
Thanks & sorry if i waste your time in solving my wifi problem
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I was offering serious advice not pulling your leg. Now, when you say 'still no response yet' - precisely what do you mean (exactly what did you try and what happened)? I've flashed my Kaisers ROM a couple of times now using HTC official ROM upgrading packages and it's gone perfectly fine. As far as the MAC address goes, I know there are ways of changing it (because there is an extremely small possibility that you may end up with two identical MAC adresses on the same network and this will cause problems) but this won't be the culprit in your case. I think (again) the first thing to do is to use the official package (and only that - no additional tools/utilities are reqd) to get everything in order and let us know how that goes and what versions of everything you end up with.
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andrylim said:
This is the information that appears in my device now after re-upgrade the official ROM from HTC e-Club:
File name : RUU_Kaiser_DOPODASIA_WWE_3.29.707.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_Ship.exe
KAIS130
SPL-3.29.0000
CPLD-8
ROM version : 3.29.707.0 WWE
ROM date : 05/07/08
Radio version : 1.65.16.25
Protocol version : 25.83.40.02H
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That looks right to me but if you haven't yet ran the upgrade file above to flash to ROM you need to do it the official way and try that. If Wifi is still behaving as in your video do a hard reset and try again (before loading any additional software).
Btw, may i ask a question? I found something strange about a MAC address. Yesterday I'm not intention open the "Wireless LAN" from Settings > Connections > Wireless LAN
In Advance tab, there are Status, MAC, and IP. My Question is is the MAC address serial appears even you didn't enable a WiFi? In my device it's empty.
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In mine it's empty too but if you go back in after enabling Wifi, theres a MAC address in there. I really don't think your problem has anything to do with the MAC address but if you've tried all of the above and still can't get it working, as you appear to have an official setup, it's time to contact Tech support and get them to go through some checks over the phone with you. Maybe someone else has thoughts on this......
Hahaha... thanks. Btw, I have another problems.
I bought this device from other country (Singapore). My friends said, the Singapore HTC can view the device history. They can see if the device already being flash how many times and anything unofficial program such as SPL or radio, then the warranty wil be void. Because, my friends already have such a problem also with his device Dopod U1000 (Even he revert to his original SPL or radio).
I think i should throw this device or sell it out and buy the new one. Hiks...
Flying Kiwi said:
That looks right to me but if you haven't yet ran the upgrade file above to flash to ROM you need to do it the official way and try that. If Wifi is still behaving as in your video do a hard reset and try again (before loading any additional software).
In mine it's empty too but if you go back in after enabling Wifi, theres a MAC address in there. I really don't think your problem has anything to do with the MAC address but if you've tried all of the above and still can't get it working, as you appear to have an official setup, it's time to contact Tech support and get them to go through some checks over the phone with you. Maybe someone else has thoughts on this......
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I think i should throw this device or sell it out and buy the new one. Hiks...
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Doesn't it make sense to at least try what's been suggested first? What have you to loose? The hardware company have no need to know what 'ROM Action' has occurred in the past and who knows what any people you've leant your TyTN II to may have done with it..... They only need to know how it is now and whether it's currently official (ie flashed using the HTC upgrader).
andrylim said:
I think i should throw this device or sell it out and buy the new one. Hiks...
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I'll give you $50 for it.
The same problem
Im having the same problem... my wi-fi do not turns on! I have flashed this a lot of times, and sometimes works, sometimes dont.
Does anyone have any ideia about this? im stressed becouse i have the same problem... could anyone tellme a good radio in order to try to solve this issue? thanks
Wi-Fi issues
This has worked for me, dont know if its the same case with you or not.
My device was never able to connect to my Wifi n/w at home. If I went to start -> setting -> connections -> Wifi, it would show my home n/w as available, when I tried to connect to it, the status changed from Available to "connecting" then became available again.
In my home n/w I had access type authentication as WEP keys + Mac address filtering. My device was added to the MAC address list so that was not a problem. The issue was access point authentication which was set to WEP keys type authentication on my router. Once I changed from WEP keys to WPA-PSK (data encryption type TKIP) my WM was able to connect to the router.
I have HTC tytn II and its wifi is not searching any other wifi devices or router even in very close range , but wifi is turning on and the green light is also blinking
So, is there a hardware problem?
I did 3.29 hard spl , hard reset ,hard spl 3.34 , but the result is same.
and in network adapters IEEE 802.1b/g goes down and down in the list of network adapters , please HELP.! and sorry for my bad english
try a newer radio
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try a newer radio
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Currently the Radio Version is 1.70.18.02
before this Radio Version I had 1.65.*.*

SIM Unlock help...

Hi all,
I had an O2 XDA Stellar which I believe is the HTC TYTN II. However, this phone was stolen a couple of weeks back. I purchased a second hand one today which is sim locked to the orange network. I managed to break the lock by following the instructions on this link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433835. I followed the instructions word for word till step 5.
The problem is now though it accepts the SIM and I can dial out, I don't have any audio on the calls So I can call and my phone also rings when I receive a call but I can't hear the caller nor can I be heard at the other end
Also, I hate the orange rom (and I used to complain about the O2 rom) and I wish to use the default HTC WM 6.1 professional upgrade the problem again is that it asks for a serial number and my serial number starts with DCOxxxxxxxxxxx and it says that this is not a valid serial number
What do I do now? Has my phone become a brick Please do help I can't bear the thought of having one stolen and the other toasted by me
All help will be greatly appreciated
fmervin said:
Hi all,
I had an O2 XDA Stellar which I believe is the HTC TYTN II. However, this phone was stolen a couple of weeks back. I purchased a second hand one today which is sim locked to the orange network. I managed to break the lock by following the instructions on this link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433835. I followed the instructions word for word till step 5.
The problem is now though it accepts the SIM and I can dial out, I don't have any audio on the calls So I can call and my phone also rings when I receive a call but I can't hear the caller nor can I be heard at the other end
Also, I hate the orange rom (and I used to complain about the O2 rom) and I wish to use the default HTC WM 6.1 professional upgrade the problem again is that it asks for a serial number and my serial number starts with DCOxxxxxxxxxxx and it says that this is not a valid serial number
What do I do now? Has my phone become a brick Please do help I can't bear the thought of having one stolen and the other toasted by me
All help will be greatly appreciated
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Did you actually read anything or did you just start hacking away ? I will cut and paste a few items out of that thread, so that you don't have to actually read it .
PLEASE READ THE *FAQ* BEFORE FLASHING OR ASKING QUESTIONS!!!
* IF YOU DONT NEED TO FLASH A NEW ROM THEN PROCEED TO STEP 6 TO PUT YOUR DESIRED RADIO BACK*
7. After I flash a Rom I dont have any sound in calls and the camera is black
The Radio has to match the version of Rom you flash i.e. WM6.1, an incorrect Radio will give sound and camera problems. Read The Ultimate Radio Thread to find a Radio that matches the Rom there are lots to try on there if one doesnt work then try another.
3. What are the different types of Unlock?[/B] (answer by DaveShaw)
The three stages of unlock are:
SIM: Allows you to use SIM's from another carrier. Can be done using codes or unlocker programs on xda-devs.
Security: Allows you to flash radios from another device - It does other stuff, but this is all the casual user will use it for
CID: CID unlocking is an old concept, nowadays you flash HardSPL instead. This lets you flash any ROM, Splash or Radio (depending on sec unlock) to your device. N.B. the CID is the carrier ID (e.g. HTC__001). The stock SPL's only let you flash ROM's that match the CID in the ROM image with the CID on your device.
Obviously you did not unlock your phone if a serial number is needed to flash a new rom. I would re read everything and do it again
Thanks for the reply
denco7 said:
Did you actually read anything or did you just start hacking away ?
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As a matter of fact I did read that more than once.
denco7 said:
* IF YOU DONT NEED TO FLASH A NEW ROM THEN PROCEED TO STEP 6 TO PUT YOUR DESIRED RADIO BACK*
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As you can see I'm a bit of a newbie here, so wasn't too sure if I did need to flash to a new rom. But I did anyway. And the call problems still remain
denco7 said:
7. After I flash a Rom I dont have any sound in calls and the camera is black
The Radio has to match the version of Rom you flash i.e. WM6.1, an incorrect Radio will give sound and camera problems. Read The Ultimate Radio Thread to find a Radio that matches the Rom there are lots to try on there if one doesnt work then try another.
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I've been through this link as well and I was contemplating installing the latest version of the HTC WM6.1 ROMS (version 3.34.721.2, radio version 1.70.19.09) available at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs However I was not sure if this would be ok and (at the risk of sounding extremely dumb) I was not sure what WWE stood for
denco7 said:
3. What are the different types of Unlock?[/B] (answer by DaveShaw)
The three stages of unlock are:
SIM: Allows you to use SIM's from another carrier. Can be done using codes or unlocker programs on xda-devs.
Security: Allows you to flash radios from another device - It does other stuff, but this is all the casual user will use it for
CID: CID unlocking is an old concept, nowadays you flash HardSPL instead. This lets you flash any ROM, Splash or Radio (depending on sec unlock) to your device. N.B. the CID is the carrier ID (e.g. HTC__001). The stock SPL's only let you flash ROM's that match the CID in the ROM image with the CID on your device.
Obviously you did not unlock your phone if a serial number is needed to flash a new rom. I would re read everything and do it again
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I maintained the default that was given by the unlocker for the CID (I think all zeros). Do I have to change this as per the ROM image? I don't mind re-doing this again it's a relief that my device isn't busted
No your phone isn't busted. Go into bootloader and check what it says next to spl, if you followed Mark's steps, it should say 3.29 Hard. If that is what it says ,then you can flash any Kaiser rom you want. If it doesn't then start over again.
WWE stands for World Wide English and those roms are all in English. That rom you picked will be fine, if you do not wish to explore the fine world of custom roms ? Maybe later.
You only have to CID unlock once by following the steps, not at every rom flash.
No sound means wrong radio, 6.0 roms need 6.0 radios and 6.1 roms need 6.1 radios. If the rom has a radio in it already then flash away.
Thanks Denco Flashed the ones I mentioned and it works perfect. Can't believe I actually have a working device Thanks for all your help, really great.
Now to sync my data to my new (second hand) htc and I'm good to go
Another question, the device works fine, however since it is a HK rom, it seems to have localised to HK. I've changed this as much as possible to UK. However, I'm wondering if this will affect anything else? For example the gps? Is there any quicker way to configure this globally so all settings use UK instead of HK?
Why didn't you flash the latest UK ROM.
Use this code: HT750GB02264 to download from HTC's site.
fmervin said:
Another question, the device works fine, however since it is a HK rom, it seems to have localised to HK. I've changed this as much as possible to UK. However, I'm wondering if this will affect anything else? For example the gps? Is there any quicker way to configure this globally so all settings use UK instead of HK?
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Once you are unlocked and HardSpl'd you can flash any rom you want. Pick a UK one another WWE rom or a custom rom. Test a bunch until you have one you like. Your only restriction is it has to be a Kaiser rom. And with all the Kaiser roms available, it is not a restriction at all.
Mister B said:
Why didn't you flash the latest UK ROM.
Use this code: HT750GB02264 to download from HTC's site.
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Wow, thanks for that, I was looking for a valid serial through which I can download from the htc uk site One question I had is do I install the radio which I download from htc? Or do I keep the one I have already flashed? The one I have flashed yesterday seems to be a later version than what I've downloaded from htc
denco7 said:
Once you are unlocked and HardSpl'd you can flash any rom you want. Pick a UK one another WWE rom or a custom rom. Test a bunch until you have one you like. Your only restriction is it has to be a Kaiser rom. And with all the Kaiser roms available, it is not a restriction at all.
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1. I keep hearing on this forum about Hard SPL, I'm not sure what this is used for or why it is required but I followed the instructions and it seems I had installed JumpSPL1.56-KAIS.exe. Now, since then I had flashed the rom, so do I need to reinstall this again? Is there some other one I should be using? I come across different versions on some threads. Also, how can I check the version of HardSPL I have?
2. When I view the memory (under settings) it shows me Storage and Program. However, I can't seem to see any storage area in file explorer. I know in my old xda 2i, there used to be a separate storage area. The reason is because some of the apps I install are quite bulky for example lexisgoo english dictionary (the dictionary files themselves are about 18mb) and this fills up the main memory. How can I install this in the storage memory? (not storage card since I sometimes swap storage cards)
Sorry lot of questions I know, but I'm a newbie and all help will be greatly appreciated
The UK downloaded ROM will install the radio too.
I would do a bit of testing with your current set-up, then flash the UK ROM.
Test the new UK ROM & radio & then reflash the radio only if you want (do some searching on Radio versions)
Newer versions are not always best, chasing the latest builds normally bites you in the ass at the end of the day.
Check HardSPL by going into bootloader:
* Using a stylus, press and hold the soft reset button at the bottom of the phone along with the camera button
* Release both buttons once the bootloader screen appears
* Exit bootloader by pressing soft reset button
Once you have installed HardSPL thats it, job done (you installed it during unlocking)
What you see in file explorer regarding storage is correct: 128MB RAM for running software ect & 256MB ROM for storing your programs ect (WM2003SE was different)
ROM can be increased by using one of the cooked lite ROMs if storage space is a concern.
Mister B said:
The UK downloaded ROM will install the radio too.
I would do a bit of testing with your current set-up, then flash the UK ROM.
Test the new UK ROM & radio & then reflash the radio only if you want (do some searching on Radio versions)
Newer versions are not always best, chasing the latest builds normally bites you in the ass at the end of the day.
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Will do, the HK version seems very stable, the only thing that bothers me is the region settings. Anyway, I think I'll give the UK Rom a go and if that works well I'll stick with it
Mister B said:
Check HardSPL by going into bootloader:
* Using a stylus, press and hold the soft reset button at the bottom of the phone along with the camera button
* Release both buttons once the bootloader screen appears
* Exit bootloader by pressing soft reset button
Once you have installed HardSPL thats it, job done (you installed it during unlocking)
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I checked the version and this is what it showed:
KAIS130
SPL-3.2.9.Hard
CPLD-8
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TBH, I don't know what any of that means But do you think the version I have is ok, or do I need to upgrade this to some other version?
Mister B said:
What you see in file explorer regarding storage is correct: 128MB RAM for running software ect & 256MB ROM for storing your programs ect (WM2003SE was different)
ROM can be increased by using one of the cooked lite ROMs if storage space is a concern.
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I've attached a screenshot of my memory screen. The bit that puzzles me is that the storage area apparently has a lot more storage but I do not have an option to install all my applications on that area or atleast the bulky ones. I don't think I need a lite one since I do have 112MB free in the storage area which is more than sufficient for all the apps I usually install. Can you advise how I can install apps to the storage area as well?
Lastly, I was wondering if it is possible for me install my apps on the rom and then kind of take an image of my setup and flash the rom with this setup. That way when I do a hard reset, all my apps are installed again. Which will save me the trouble I know sprite backup does something like this but I'd prefer if it was in the rom
Thanks for all your help, it has given me a lot of confidence in these matters. Something I probably wouldn't have attempted
Mister B said:
Test the new UK ROM & radio & then reflash the radio only if you want (do some searching on Radio versions)
Newer versions are not always best, chasing the latest builds normally bites you in the ass at the end of the day.
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I agree 101% and it appears fewer resources are put into ironing out bugs in the WM 6.1 ROMs than the WM 6.0 ones. I replied to fmervin's post in the ROM forums along these lines.
If all is running OK I would stick with your current HardSPL.
When installing your applications choose the option of installing to "Device"
You could install all your apps into a ROM, this would be cooking a ROM & is a complex process.
I would suggest a backup via Sprite or SPB. I use SPB v2.0 build3065 & it works well for me, preference of backup software is a bit of a Marmite scenario, you either love it or hate it.
Lastly, I was wondering if it is possible for me install my apps on the rom and then kind of take an image of my setup and flash the rom with this setup. That way when I do a hard reset, all my apps are installed again. Which will save me the trouble I know sprite backup does something like this but I'd prefer if it was in the rom
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You can't do that, it is flash memory. It's not like you can partition the hard drive.
But this is the easiest way to get your Apps and settings back after a flash.
Try this Sashimi Auto installer by a former XDA member. It is a nice little program that installs all your apps after a flash
http://www.winmo-experts.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4
Help Please
Hey Denco..Than'x for considering my thread & giving out suggestion towards the link to check the info. But i m really nt that techy afterall so i can burn a ROM on my Tytn II. Even though i tried to burn a RUU rom that supports TyTN II ..Its just gets disconnected from USB mode..So i was looking forward to start it initially with some comparatively easier to install .cab files..Can't these RUU files be transformed into .cab files or maybe some other version of Manila 3D cab file that is completely fixed...I seriously have done a lot of research upon this but nothing looks like working. So please if you have some links to .cab files that can give a better & different look to my Kaiser running Windows 6.1...It'l be a great help !!
Than'x & regards in advance
vicky_crispy said:
Hey Denco..Than'x for considering my thread & giving out suggestion towards the link to check the info. But i m really nt that techy afterall so i can burn a ROM on my Tytn II. Even though i tried to burn a RUU rom that supports TyTN II ..Its just gets disconnected from USB mode..So i was looking forward to start it initially with some comparatively easier to install .cab files..Can't these RUU files be transformed into .cab files or maybe some other version of Manila 3D cab file that is completely fixed...I seriously have done a lot of research upon this but nothing looks like working. So please if you have some links to .cab files that can give a better & different look to my Kaiser running Windows 6.1...It'l be a great help !!
Than'x & regards in advance
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I think you need to decide what it is that you want to accomplish. Unless you cook your own rom, there is no way to add apps to the rom ( so that they will remain after a hard reset) Your rom is wyour phone's base operating system, it contains your OS (WM 6.1 ) and can only be replaced after completely erasing and replacing all files from the previous rom.
If it is a new rom you want, pick a rom that interests you and follow these instructions verbatim .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433835
Your phone will go to the bootloader screen ( three color) and it will disconnect from usb during the process, but be patient until the end. When it says it takes ten minutes, it takes ten minutes. Leave the room if you have to , to keep from getting impatient.
If you just want to keep your OEM WM 6.1 and keep it simple, but change the look of your phone try this,
http://www.htcwiki.com/page/Manila+2D+and+M2D+Themes
This will change the look and feel of your phone with uninstallable .cab files and will not affect the rom or brick your phone by accident.

A few general questions

Hi,
I am planning to get a Diamond but would have a few general questions and have to admit I am a bit overwhelmed by the information to be found here, so I hope someone could help me a bit.
What exactly is the SPL?
I found some information at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SPL Questions?, however am still not quite sure what it is doing. As far as it seems it is similar to a x86 BIOS which gets started at the boot process by something like a FPL (First Program Loader) and then takes care of starting the actual operating and also has control of installing/flashing a new one. Is this correct? Entering the boot loader then probably means skipping to load the operating system and entering a kind of command shell of the SPL, right?
What does a SoftSPL?
To me it seems it is nothing installed but to WM a regular application which actually exits WM and allows, respectively, performs direct hardware access, which probably serves to install a HardSPL to overcome any restrictions the original system SPL is setting, right?
Do I always need to install a new SPL?
If I get an open/unlocked Diamond and want to install third party ROMs I suppose I need to install a new SPL nonetheless as the original one always checks the ROM vendor. Is this correct?
How can I flash?
Do I always need a connection from ActiveSync or can I flash directly from the phone's flash memory without an actual connection to a PC?
Thank you.
Can nobody confirm or correct my assumptions or has further information?
Having read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=416211 some questions have been semi-answered but new ones arrived .
The HardSPL does not seem to be the official term, but is the name of the "hacked" SPL to skip vendor id checks, correct?
(btw, if I buy an open/non-locked Diamond is it CID locked as well?)
The FPL I referred to previously seems to be actually the IPL which would be the actual BIOS comparison I mentioned previously, right?
Is there a reason why there is an IPL and a SPL? I guess the former can never be flashed.
Why is there the need for different HardSPL versions? Shouldnt they all do basically the same basic steps? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2437385&postcount=27 mentions changes by HTC, but even then shouldnt an updated HardSPL be enough?
It seems it is not really possible to flash/update from the internal memory but an ActiveSync/Windows Mobile Device Center connection is necessary.
lutent said:
Having read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=416211 some questions have been semi-answered but new ones arrived .
The HardSPL does not seem to be the official term, but is the name of the "hacked" SPL to skip vendor id checks, correct?
(btw, if I buy an open/non-locked Diamond is it CID locked as well?)
The FPL I referred to previously seems to be actually the IPL which would be the actual BIOS comparison I mentioned previously, right?
Is there a reason why there is an IPL and a SPL? I guess the former can never be flashed.
Why is there the need for different HardSPL versions? Shouldnt they all do basically the same basic steps? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2437385&postcount=27 mentions changes by HTC, but even then shouldnt an updated HardSPL be enough?
It seems it is not really possible to flash/update from the internal memory but an ActiveSync/Windows Mobile Device Center connection is necessary.
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You can found many information in WIKI:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Diamond
I'm only able to answer to question 4, and it's possible to flash from internal memory:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Diamond_FlashfIS
Ciao, Andrea
Ciao Andrea,
grazie per la risposta.
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meanwhile I got some answers from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=416211&page=25#post3584177. I am posting below more details for others, which I consider to be right, please correct them if I understood something wrong.
lutent said:
What exactly is the SPL?
I found some information at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SPL Questions?, however am still not quite sure what it is doing. As far as it seems it is similar to a x86 BIOS which gets started at the boot process by something like a FPL (First Program Loader) and then takes care of starting the actual operating and also has control of installing/flashing a new one. Is this correct? Entering the boot loader then probably eans skipping to load the operating system and entering a kind of command shell of the SPL, right?
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The SPL seems to be started by the IPL (what I referred to as FPL previously) and can boot the actual operating system but also flash new ones.
lutent said:
The FPL I referred to previously seems to be actually the IPL which would be the actual BIOS comparison I mentioned previously, right?
Is there a reason why there is an IPL and a SPL? I guess the former can never be flashed.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2575171&postcount=19 seems to explain the differences.
lutent said:
The HardSPL does not seem to be the official term, but is the name of the "hacked" SPL to skip vendor id checks, correct?
(btw, if I buy an open/non-locked Diamond is it CID locked as well?)
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HardSPL is actually the name of the modified/hacked SPL available from here, which allows the flashing of non-official ROMs. As long as you want to install official ROMs (from HTC or your provider, if branded) the modified SPL should not be necessary. For all other ROMs it is.
lutent said:
Why is there the need for different HardSPL versions? Shouldnt they all do basically the same basic steps? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2437385&postcount=27 mentions changes by HTC, but even then shouldnt an updated HardSPL be enough?
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As far as it seems there are not as many versions from different people as I thought but only different version numbers, which seems to be due to different versions shipped with the devices. Generally the newest version seems to be recommended, however sometimes a previous one might work better.
Apart from version numbers there are however two actual different HardSPL versions, one which only allows signed ROM package and one which accepts all. The former is the more secure one, as only signed (and so by the xda-developers.com community approved) ROMs can be installed.
lutent said:
What does a SoftSPL?
To me it seems it is nothing installed but to WM a regular application which actually exits WM and allows, respectively, performs direct hardware access, which probably serves to install a HardSPL to overcome any restrictions the original system SPL is setting, right?
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http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SPL Questions? seems to provide a good explanation.
A SoftSPL seems to be a workaround if the system's SPL does not allow the flashing of a new SPL. It is a WM application which you need to run on your phone and runs as SPL, allowing to install a new SPL on the machine.
lutent said:
Do I always need to install a new SPL?
If I get an open/unlocked Diamond and want to install third party ROMs I suppose I need to install a new SPL nonetheless as the original one always checks the ROM vendor. Is this correct?
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The default SPL coming with the device only allows ROM installations from the official vendor (either HTC itself or the provider if it is branded). As long as you install only those official ROMs you shouldnt need to install HardSPL.
All other ROMs (in particular those here) need HardSPL however.
lutent said:
How can I flash?
Do I always need a connection from ActiveSync or can I flash directly from the phone's flash memory without an actual connection to a PC?
It seems it is not really possible to flash/update from the internal memory but an ActiveSync/Windows Mobile Device Center connection is necessary.
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As Andrea already mentioned flashing the Radio and ROM from the internal memory is possible, flashing the SPL itself is not as far as it seems.

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