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SPLs & Radios

hi,
so ive been looking around the forums for what seems like AGES and i just cant seem to find the answers im looking for.
ive just found the thread on SPLs but im completely clueless about radios. what is a radio and why would i need a new one?
im on cm 3.6.2 is this firmware a radio? or is a radio to do with the hardware? what benefits are there to replacing it? how do i replace it?
can i flash this # 2.22.19.26I
# Baseband Version: 62.50S.20.17H_2.22.19.26I ? if so how?
very much a noob with all this and any info would be very much appreciated

# Baseband Version: 62.50S.20.17H_2.22.19.26I
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Is that your baseband version from your phone? If it is, then u have the latest Radio image and SPL. To make sure, boot up in fastboot (Turn off, turn on while holding back button)
That will tell u your spl, radio and if you have a PVT device

nephron said:
Is that your baseband version from your phone? If it is, then u have the latest Radio image and SPL. To make sure, boot up in fastboot (Turn off, turn on while holding back button)
That will tell u your spl, radio and if you have a PVT device
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no my baseband is:
63.33.20.08H_1.22.12.29
how do i go about updating it? is it simply a case of renaming to update.zip then reboot into flash menu? is it safe to do it without wiping the phone?
last one i swear. what is the radio for, why is it an advantage to change it?
nvm im just reading your noobs guide
edit: all done. latest radio and spl thanks to your guide. cheers.

nephron said:
Is that your baseband version from your phone? If it is, then u have the latest Radio image and SPL. To make sure, boot up in fastboot (Turn off, turn on while holding back button)
That will tell u your spl, radio and if you have a PVT device
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Hi, Need to check with you regarding my radio before installing Haykuro's latest SPL 1.33.2005. currently, my radio version is:
2.22.19.26I
Baseband Version: 62.50S.20.17U2.22.19.26I
But the radio in his site, has different baseband version, Baseband Version: 62.50S.20.17H2.22.19.26I. I notice his was H but mine U. So is this the same radio or should i flash his radio? Appreciate your advice.

Scholesville said:
Hi, Need to check with you regarding my radio before installing Haykuro's latest SPL 1.33.2005. currently, my radio version is:
2.22.19.26I
Baseband Version: 62.50S.20.17U2.22.19.26I
But the radio in his site, has different baseband version, Baseband Version: 62.50S.20.17H2.22.19.26I. I notice his was H but mine U. So is this the same radio or should i flash his radio? Appreciate your advice.
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I would err on the safe side and make sure to flash the H version. Might be superfluous, but at least I'll be able to flash without wondering...

flumps said:
hi,
so ive been looking around the forums for what seems like AGES and i just cant seem to find the answers im looking for.
ive just found the thread on SPLs but im completely clueless about radios. what is a radio and why would i need a new one?
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A radio can refer to two things: either it is the processor/amplifier/antenna system which comprises the actual air interface side of a phone (the stuff that makes a phone a GSM phone or a UMTS phone or a CDMA2000 phone, etc). Otherwise a radio could refer to the software package that runs on the aforementioned processor. The word "baseband" is also used in a similar fashion (e.g. "baseband processor" or "baseband software")

Question about updating radio and SPL

Right now I am running Cyanogen 3.6.5 with the radio and SPL that have not been updated for a while (they are not the latest ones for sure).
Anyway in case I want to try out a Hero rom I want to update the radio and SPL, can I just update those with my current rom without having to reflash the rom?

I haven't touched my SPL, but I can tell you the radio is easy. Same as any flash - rename to update.zip and drop it on the sdcard. Reboot to recovery and flash. ROM will be fine.
Go to Settings > About phone
Check the Baseband version -- If it ends with .26I you have the latest.
I do know, when flashing the "DangerSPL" for Hero builds, you need to boot into fastboot mode (Camera+Power) and look for the text "PVT" in the first line on the rainbow screen. If you don't see PVT, you have the revision that bricks when flashed to DangerSPL

gecko666 said:
Right now I am running Cyanogen 3.6.5 with the radio and SPL that have not been updated for a while (they are not the latest ones for sure).
Anyway in case I want to try out a Hero rom I want to update the radio and SPL, can I just update those with my current rom without having to reflash the rom?
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When you flash the new SPL you will have to reflash your rom because the SPL will overwrite your rom.

supremeteam256 said:
When you flash the new SPL you will have to reflash your rom because the SPL will overwrite your rom.
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Ok I kinda understand that part but if after flashing the radio and SPL I flash the same rom (Cyanogen 3.6.5) again without wiping will all my settings and apps remain as they were before the update?

gecko666 said:
Ok I kinda understand that part but if after flashing the radio and SPL I flash the same rom (Cyanogen 3.6.5) again without wiping will all my settings and apps remain as they were before the update?
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Use the method in post #3 from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=517593 it worked perfectly for me and yes your settings and apps remain the same.

One last question before I do this. I went into settings as well as checked at the fastboot screen and seems like I have the latest radio already and from what I read on this topic I should NOT reflash it right? About the SPL though how can I check what version I have? And if I already have the latest one and flash it again will I end up with a brick? Thanks everyone for your help.

gecko666 said:
One last question before I do this. I went into settings as well as checked at the fastboot screen and seems like I have the latest radio already and from what I read on this topic I should NOT reflash it right? About the SPL though how can I check what version I have? And if I already have the latest one and flash it again will I end up with a brick? Thanks everyone for your help.
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Don't flash Radio again if you have the latest. (2.22.19.26I) Power off your phone then hold the Camera button down and press the On button (red button) you should see a white screen with 3 lil' Androids on skateboards, up top it should say DREAM PVT (32B ENG S-OFF) <---might be different but second lines shows your SPL, for example mine is HBOOT-1.33.2005 (DREA10000) and if you have the latest SPL then don't flash it again your good to go. One more thing MAKE SURE IT SAYS (PVT) AND MAKE SURE YOU FLASH RADIO BEFORE FLASHING SPL IF BOTH UPDATES ARE NEEDED! Can't stress this enough because if you do this wrong you'll definitely get a Brick.

Cool thanks. I do have PVT and the latest radio, guess it's just the SPL. Thanks again for your help.

SPL ??

how do you find out what spl you have ?
can someone breifly explain to me what SPL is
and i right in thinking SPL is what can make a brick ?

hold camera and power to boot in to the SPL (when the phone is off) and it will tell you. A rainbow screen means it's stock.
The SPLs other than stock allow you to use fastboot to flash things like splash images and restore nandroid backups. Haykuro's SPL (aka "Danger SPL") allows you to run HTC based ROMs like Hero and Rogers. Make sure you have the cupcake/1.5 radio (which you should already have) before flashing, otherwise it will brick.

Downgrade to Hard SPL from Danger SPL??
AdrianK said:
hold camera and power to boot in to the SPL (when the phone is off) and it will tell you. A rainbow screen means it's stock.
The SPLs other than stock allow you to use fastboot to flash things like splash images and restore nandroid backups. Haykuro's SPL (aka "Danger SPL") allows you to run HTC based ROMs like Hero and Rogers. Make sure you have the cupcake/1.5 radio (which you should already have) before flashing, otherwise it will brick.
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When I rooted my phone I installed Haykuro's danger spl with the latest radio. I didn't know it can potentially brick your phone (hence the danger part lol). I'm running cyanogen 4.0.1 and it's working just fine so far but I had 3 questions
1) Is Hykuro's Danger SPL only risky during the installation process or can it still possibly brick your phone after a successful installation (in other words, elaborate on the "danger" part please)
2) Can I downgrade to Hard SPL after installing the Danger SPL
3) How would I downgrade to Hard SPL?
Thanks guys!!!

If you are using Haykuro's spl there is no need to downgrade, it will allow you to run anything the hard spl will and more. The only "danger" with haykuros spl is when you flash it, if you successfully flashed it then you have nothing to worry about.

Rodey is correct, that H's SPL does everything hardSPL does (fastboot ect) and sloows you to run HTC Based ROMs. I don't know why you would want to downgrade but if you do it should be as simple as flashing the hardSPL update.zip. Get a secind opinion on that though if you want to try it, I'm no hardSPL expert.
You will only brick your phone with haykuro's SPL if you dont have a PVT board (camer+power to boot in to SPL, it will tell you) and if you dont have to 1.5 radio. To check either in the SPL or Settings > about phone check the baseband is version 2.22.19.26 (if you go to about phone there will be some crap before the number, ignore it).
IMO H's SPL is just handy to have. As long as you have the new radio and a PVT board nothing *touch wood* should go wrong.
One more thing, when flashing the SPL, don't play hot potato with your phone ;-)

rondey- said:
If you are using Haykuro's spl there is no need to downgrade, it will allow you to run anything the hard spl will and more. The only "danger" with haykuros spl is when you flash it, if you successfully flashed it then you have nothing to worry about.
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AdrianK said:
Rodey is correct, that H's SPL does everything hardSPL does (fastboot ect) and sloows you to run HTC Based ROMs. I don't know why you would want to downgrade but if you do it should be as simple as flashing the hardSPL update.zip. Get a secind opinion on that though if you want to try it, I'm no hardSPL expert.
You will only brick your phone with haykuro's SPL if you dont have a PVT board (camer+power to boot in to SPL, it will tell you) and if you dont have to 1.5 radio. To check either in the SPL or Settings > about phone check the baseband is version 2.22.19.26 (if you go to about phone there will be some crap before the number, ignore it).
IMO H's SPL is just handy to have. As long as you have the new radio and a PVT board nothing *touch wood* should go wrong.
One more thing, when flashing the SPL, don't play hot potato with your phone ;-)
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Thank you guys! In that case I'll just keep H's SPL seeing that I already installed it successfully without bricking my phone (yay)
Really appreciate both of your time!

You cant downgrade SPL's!!!!!!
IT HAS PROVEN TO BRICK YOUR PHONE!!!! DO NOT DOWNGRADE FROM DANGER SPL!

nephron said:
You cant downgrade SPL's!!!!!!
IT HAS PROVEN TO BRICK YOUR PHONE!!!! DO NOT DOWNGRADE FROM DANGER SPL!
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Unless you are Unrooting and flash the original spl. I've done this many times so I know it works.

Does SPL: 1.33.2005 help the regular ROMS run better (Cyanogen's)?
I use dxTop, seems to run out of memory quickly.

nephron said:
You cant downgrade SPL's!!!!!!
IT HAS PROVEN TO BRICK YOUR PHONE!!!! DO NOT DOWNGRADE FROM DANGER SPL!
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Thanks for the warning!

i've installed CM 4.0.1 and Recovery 1.4 (wit Recovery Flasher), but without Hard SPL and OTA Radio, after that installed Dark Hero Theme and all works ok.
can some1 tell me do i need reinstall everthyng and install hard spl and ota radio, and how can i do that?
thx

sasa3791 said:
i've installed CM 4.0.1 and Recovery 1.4 (wit Recovery Flasher), but without Hard SPL and OTA Radio, after that installed Dark Hero Theme and all works ok.
can some1 tell me do i need reinstall everthyng and install hard spl and ota radio, and how can i do that?
thx
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If you didn't downgrade to RC29/7 then you should have the 1.5 radio. Check by going to Settings > About Phone and baseband version. It should be 2.22.19.26I.
I think you can just flash HardSPL as update.zip as you are, but I' not completely sure...

nephron said:
You cant downgrade SPL's!!!!!!
IT HAS PROVEN TO BRICK YOUR PHONE!!!! DO NOT DOWNGRADE FROM DANGER SPL!
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I swear I've heard people say they have, but dowgrading the radio after installing Danger SPL did cause bricks...
I'll go check
You WILL brick your phone if you attempt to downgrade your radio after flashing the new SPL or if you do not have the latest radio installed before flashing the new SPL
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Hmm can't find anyone that said they did :-(

FYI
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@Adrian K and nephron
When I unrooted my spare G1, I got it completely back to stock (circa October original shipment stock)
I downgraded my SPL successfully from the danger SPL all the way back to the original SPL. Also when I downgraded back DREAIMG.nbh, I confirmed at the time that the radio downgraded with it. My original post was on the unlockr.com when I was trying to help David of unlockr.com with some tutorials.
My original quote from unlockr
BTW: I have confirmed via the bootloader that the radio DOWNGRADES back to stock by applying the DREAIMG.nbh update FYI
From the bootloader I am now at
DREA100 PVT 32B
HBOOT-0.95.0000
CPLD-4
RADIO-1.22.12.29
Sep 2 2008
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nephron said:
You cant downgrade SPL's!!!!!!
IT HAS PROVEN TO BRICK YOUR PHONE!!!! DO NOT DOWNGRADE FROM DANGER SPL!
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I think it's downgrading the Radio, while on Danger SPL that will brick your phone b.

I have also gone from Hard to Danger back to Hard again with no issues.

if i use the 1click root method and then install cyanogens 4.0.1... do i actually need to do the hardspl and the radio or is that all taken care of? that's the only thing that's confusing me a little bit...

polarbearmc said:
if i use the 1click root method and then install cyanogens 4.0.1... do i actually need to do the hardspl and the radio or is that all taken care of? that's the only thing that's confusing me a little bit...
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If you are talking about the one click method that is know on the market as recovery flasher, that only takes care of granting root access and flashing cyanogen's recovery image. The radio and spl upgrades are on you.
Try here for more explanation
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550050

yea that's what i'm talking about... now don't get me wrong, i believe you guys here on xda first and foremost... but theres a video tutorial on android and me, and it doesn't show them installing the radio and spl between using the recovery flasher and then installing cyanogens 4.0.1... are they not doing it right in the video or are the radio and spl optional? all the guides on here seem to say you do have to flash them but the video clearly shows them not stopping to do it. so maybe their video just sucks haha. but any idea on that?
thanks so much

I have 1 click rooted and installed Cyanogen 4.01, I am on CRC1, my understanding was as I was already on 1.5 Cupcake, my current SPL and Radio were current.
I read somewhere that the 1 click method is only temporary root. But if someone could elaborate on this it would be very helpful. Also what is this hard spl ?

Rooting a HTC Dream without applying another ROM

I have a South African HTC Dream and did some research on this forum about rooting. I am more than happy with the phone's current ROM with the exception that it does not support WPA-Enterprise Wifi - in order for me to configure this, I would need to root the phone and will then be able to adjust wpa_supplicant.conf.
In all the tutorials I would have to downgrade the firmware (I have not been able to do this with any of the guides supplied - either normal RC7 downgrade, 1-click or Goldcard) in order to root the phone.
Is there any way I can root the phone without having to flash another ROM (i.e. retain the current HTC ROM and make adjustments to wpa_supplicant.conf)? Most ROMs provided are not based on HTC build, and I would loose ActiveSync. AFAIK there is no ROM available which provides ActiveSync AND HTC Mail.
My current phone info:
DREAM PVT 32B SHIP S-ON d
HBOOT-1.33.0010 (DREA20000)
CPLD-4
RADIO-3.22.20.17
Jun 2 2009,21:33:16
Firmware: 1.5
Baseband: 62.525.20.18U_3.22.20.17
Kernel: 2.6.27-9af60ed4 [email protected]
Build: 1.87.421.1 146733 CL#47295 release-keys

GNaschenweng said:
Is there any way I can root the phone without having to flash another ROM (i.e. retain the current HTC ROM and make adjustments to wpa_supplicant.conf)? Most ROMs provided are not based on HTC build, and I would loose ActiveSync. AFAIK there is no ROM available which provides ActiveSync AND HTC Mail.
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There are HTC based ROMs. The ROM from the Rogers Dream has exchange support, but before you flash the ROM you must flash the new radio then the SPL.

AdrianK said:
There are HTC based ROMs. The ROM from the Rogers Dream has exchange support, but before you flash the ROM you must flash the new radio then the SPL.
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Thanks - I replaced my phone with another one (FW 1.1) and was able to flash. I installed Touchdown to overcome the Exchange problems - not ideal, but best choice now.

GNaschenweng said:
Thanks - I replaced my phone with another one (FW 1.1) and was able to flash. I installed Touchdown to overcome the Exchange problems - not ideal, but best choice now.
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You're on 1.1?! I would strongly recommend flashing a Cyanogen ROM to get you back to 1.5.

I did update to latest Cyanogen rom. One question: I rooted the phone and am on latest Cyanogen. Only (minor) issue I have is that before the Cyanogen splash-screen comes on, I still see my mobile providers boot-logo (for about 10 seconds until the splash screen comes) - is there any way to change this?
I tried fastboot flash splash1, but get an error. As part of my rooting I did not flash SPL (i.e. HardSPL) but have cm-recovery - should I update SPL and if so which one (also, what is the risk of bricking?).
If replace SPL, do I need to update the radio again or reflesh Cyanogen?

As far as I know you wouldn't need to flash either again, HardSPL is known to be safe on all phones I believe. The only problems I've heard are with Haykuro's SPL. If you haven't flashed a new SPL that could be the issue, what is the error your getting when trying to change the splash?

GNaschenweng said:
I did update to latest Cyanogen rom. One question: I rooted the phone and am on latest Cyanogen. Only (minor) issue I have is that before the Cyanogen splash-screen comes on, I still see my mobile providers boot-logo (for about 10 seconds until the splash screen comes) - is there any way to change this?
I tried fastboot flash splash1, but get an error. As part of my rooting I did not flash SPL (i.e. HardSPL) but have cm-recovery - should I update SPL and if so which one (also, what is the risk of bricking?).
If replace SPL, do I need to update the radio again or reflesh Cyanogen?
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It should be safe as long as it doesn't not require a specific radio. I have never heard of the radio version you have, but that's probably because you don't have a t-mobile G1. What carrier is it on? If it's unlocked, what was the original carrier? (the ones displayed on the boot screen).
I think Josh is right that it's safe for all Dream's, so you probably could go ahead and flash it, I'm not 100% sure. Just a quick not about flash SPL's and radios on cm-recovery, you have to physically press alt-s then home+back to reboot. Don't touch the trackball. That's only for SPLs and radios.

The hard spl is great, but if u want to run hero u will nees to flash haykuros spl. If u do flash haykuros spl make sure u flash the new radio image FIRST! OR U WILL BRICK! Have fun flashing away

Thanks. I applied SPL from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=548924
And then fastboot worked: /fastboot-mac flash splash1 DOWNGRADE-SD/Boot_images/android.rgb565
Upgraded to latest Cyanogen 4.0.4 and have now an awesome phone - thanks to everyone for the help on this forum!

GNaschenweng said:
Thanks. I applied SPL from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=548924
And then fastboot worked: /fastboot-mac flash splash1 DOWNGRADE-SD/Boot_images/android.rgb565
Upgraded to latest Cyanogen 4.0.4 and have now an awesome phone - thanks to everyone for the help on this forum!
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i have a question for you. did you flash another radio before doing the "danger spl"
i ask because the radio you have is also the stock radio for rogers

david1171 said:
i have a question for you. did you flash another radio before doing the "danger spl"
i ask because the radio you have is also the stock radio for rogers
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I had flashed ota-radio-2_22_19_26I (not sure what it was before). I did roughly document my steps on my blog if you are interested.

GNaschenweng said:
I had flashed ota-radio-2_22_19_26I (not sure what it was before). I did roughly document my steps on my blog if you are interested.
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thanks. after seeing the radio you said you originally had in the first post i remembered that rogers has a radio that starts with a 3(then i searched and they are the same radio), then when i tried to download the root rogers package from that thread it kept timing out the download, so i was just curious as to radio you used. according to all the rogers root thread you have to flash the 1.33.2005 spl first before you can actually root, so basically i was trying to figure out if devices with that radio are immune to the bricking without 2.22.19.26I radio.

questions for updating radio

xda community,
sorry if it dosent belong here but if anything move it or lock it but really need help....
i received a replacement phone from tmobile with the radio 2.22.19.261 and that is the radio update we need...well i bricked 1 phone because i tried doing this and didnt notice that it had already the radio......what im concerned about is if i should skip the update radio step and just install the spl???? please some feedback would be greatly appreciated and once again sorry if it dosent belong here.
plz and thank you

the 2.22.26I is the radio that is needed to flash the 1.33.2005 spl. also make sure phone is a pvt instead of dvt by booting the phone into bootloader (camera and power) and find out on that screen. if you have both of those then the 1.33.2005 *should* (being the keyword) flash without problems.

it is a PVT board so you are suggesting i just flash the spl since the radio already came with the phone?

djcookiedj said:
it is a PVT board so you are suggesting i just flash the spl since the radio already came with the phone?
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if you want to be on the really safe side, then you should flash the radio first

i tried it with another phone i had that was shipped with the same radio and then it got bricked......thats my fear of bricking this phone

djcookiedj said:
i tried it with another phone i had that was shipped with the same radio and then it got bricked......thats my fear of bricking this phone
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if you have any doubts then if i was you, i would flash the radio first just to make sure.

djcookiedj said:
i tried it with another phone i had that was shipped with the same radio and then it got bricked......thats my fear of bricking this phone
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You should flash the Radio haykuro posted. I did just to be safe. I believe i saw one person brick even though he had the 26I radio, but i dont think he knew what he was doing.
if your gonna flash the .2005 spl, you might as well be extra safe and flash the radio. its only a few minutes more

quick update :
i went ahead and prayed that this went well.....since my g1 was pre-shipped with the newest RADIO version in an older g1 that had the newest radio i tried applying the Radio update and it bricked.....so this time i went ahead and (thanxz for the feedback) just flashed the SPL and VOILA !!! now i am testing the hero ROMs and BLUR rom.....thanks guys

djcookiedj said:
quick update :
i went ahead and prayed that this went well.....since my g1 was pre-shipped with the newest RADIO version in an older g1 that had the newest radio i tried applying the Radio update and it bricked.....so this time i went ahead and (thanxz for the feedback) just flashed the SPL and VOILA !!! now i am testing the hero ROMs and BLUR rom.....thanks guys
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your welcome, glad that your phone is still booting and flashing strong

update radio
I wanted to update the radio pls send the link or step by step how to upgrade radio cause i try in the forum and i found a difference methode .... there's nbh, ota,... i didn't understand ... pls make a simple link and how to
thanks