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Just got it today...WOW What a phone....and works on At&t
see ya later kaiser
Mike
Bye.
Don't leave sad, just leave.
Have fun without your SD Card slot.
Good news for you. So did you get the 850 and 1900 gsm and 3g frequencies or just the 1900?
have fun with no 3g/hsdpa because itonly runs on 2100 until att wins the auction for 850 (IF and when they decide to go for it) it wont be of much use on the net
Not to spoil your party..but are the fingerprints on the back cover,..messy?
Having said that,...Diamonds are forever...
Keep us updated on the pros and cons..
Cheers.
So far things are fine
One thing I do think is true is that 3G works on my Diamond everything is set to auto and I called HTC and they said that 3G works fine in Illinois but certain parts of Florida, Texas, California have trouble with 3G ......I do miss the sliding keyboard tho......texting is slower because everything is Touch now....I'll have to get used to it / which I'am
Peace
Mike
mike19722 said:
One thing I do think is true is that 3G works on my Diamond everything is set to auto and I called HTC and they said that 3G works fine in Illinois but certain parts of Florida, Texas, California have trouble with 3G ......I do miss the sliding keyboard tho......texting is slower because everything is Touch now....I'll have to get used to it / which I'am
Peace
Mike
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what's all this then?
How can 3g work in America when the diamond does not have the bands for supporting American 3g frequencies...
i'm still waitting on the touch pro...
Subversive Asset 2.0 said:
what's all this then?
How can 3g work in America when the diamond does not have the bands for supporting American 3g frequencies...
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Because AT&T uses different frequencies in different areas. He may be in an area where AT&T runs on a frequency supported by the Diamond.
GSM networks in North and South America operate at frequencies of 850 or 1900 MHz, while most networks in other countries operate at frequencies of 900 or 1800 MHz. AT&T recommends quad band phones/devices for most international travelers. Since these wireless devices operate on all four of the international GSM frequencies, you ensure the broadest international coverage available.
According to AT&T.
Specifically, 3g runs on 1900.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong (please do, because I want to like the diamond :]), but the diamond has radio updates that all it to work quadband for EDGE, but for 3g, it only has support for 900 and 2100 MHz bands...neither of which AT&T run *anywhere* in America.
Is that correct?
Why did you switch ? Just curious. Something new?
lifanus said:
i'm still waitting on the touch pro...
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I second that...
this was from a reseller:
Congrats, nice to know it works in illinois
Processor Qualcomm MSM7201A 528 MHz
Operating System Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Memory ROM: 256 MB
RAM: 192 MB DDR SDRAM
Internal storage: 4 GB
Dimensions 102 mm (L) X 51 mm (W) X 11.5 mm (T)
Weight 110 g (with battery)
Display 2.8-inch TFT-LCD flat touch-sensitive screen with VGA resolution
Network HSDPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Up to 384 kbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Tri-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
Europe/Asia: 900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency and data speed are operator dependent.)
Device Control TouchFLO 3D
Touch-sensitive navigation control
GPS GPS and A-GPS ready
Connectivity Bluetooth 2.0 with EDR
Wi-Fi®: IEEE 802.11 b/g
HTC ExtUSB™ (11-pin mini-USB 2.0 and audio jack in one)
Camera Main camera: 3.2 megapixel color camera with auto focus
Second camera: VGA CMOS color camera
Audio Built-in microphone, speaker and FM radio with RDS
Ring tone supported formats:
MP3, AAC, AAC+, WMA, WAV, and AMR-NB
40 polyphonic and Standard MIDI format 0 and 1 (SMF)/SP MIDI
Battery Rechargeable Lithium-ion or Lithium-ion polymer battery
Capacity: 900 mAh
Talk time:
Up to 270 minutes for WCDMA
Up to 330 minutes for GSM
Standby time:
Up to 396 hours for WCDMA
Up to 285 hours for GSM
Video call time: Up to 145 minutes for WCDMA
(The above are subject to network and phone usage.)
AC Adapter Voltage range/frequency: 100 ~ 240V AC, 50/60 Hz
DC output: 5V and 1A
Subversive Asset 2.0 said:
GSM networks in North and South America operate at frequencies of 850 or 1900 MHz, while most networks in other countries operate at frequencies of 900 or 1800 MHz. AT&T recommends quad band phones/devices for most international travelers. Since these wireless devices operate on all four of the international GSM frequencies, you ensure the broadest international coverage available.
According to AT&T.
Specifically, 3g runs on 1900.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong (please do, because I want to like the diamond :]), but the diamond has radio updates that all it to work quadband for EDGE, but for 3g, it only has support for 900 and 2100 MHz bands...neither of which AT&T run *anywhere* in America.
Is that correct?
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I just bought my Tilt, so it feels kind of weird to have people saying good bye to it so fast. Hopefully ill like it..
acehole said:
Congrats, nice to know it works in illinois
*snip*
Network HSDPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Up to 384 kbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Tri-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
Europe/Asia: 900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency and data speed are operator dependent.)
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In other words, like I thought, 3g *should not* work.
So if it does, why?
I can't 3G works!?!?
I don't know.....top of screen says 3G with 2 or 3 bars......I switched devices because I love touch flow and had the money to buy it. It does switch alot from EDGE to GSM and 3G ...I have to admit tho that it's on EDGE 90% of the time.
Peace
Mike
mike19722 said:
I don't know.....top of screen says 3G with 2 or 3 bars......I switched devices because I love touch flow and had the money to buy it.
Peace
Mike
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Ah and that was the only reason? No performance issues with the Kaiser right?
Sounds good dude.
mike19722 said:
I don't know.....top of screen says 3G with 2 or 3 bars......I switched devices because I love touch flow and had the money to buy it. It does switch alot from EDGE to GSM and 3G ...I have to admit tho that it's on EDGE 90% of the time.
Peace
Mike
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i am also waiting on the touch pro, but congrats on the diamond. now all i wish is that us kaiser users can get touchflo 3d to work on our devices using the new 3d drivers...
edit: i have tw questions to ask you about the diamond:
1. hows the battery life?
2. is touchflo 3d really as cool as people think it is?
Why wouldn't 1900 work, I would understand if 850 or 2100 did not
The video call won't because it is not supported on att but could be used as a web cam right?
Hell, id be waiting for the Touch Pro too if it wouldn't cost 800$ plus.
Hello to all. Bought a week ago TD2 released in New York to use it in Brazil, net 3G of the operator Claro. It happens here in Brazil operates in the TD2 not 3G for data transmission and is always in EDGE mode, although there is availability of the 3G network. I heard that HTC has limitations in the software radio to create niche selling to carriers, so the same hardware, with tables of frequency band, or can not work on different carriers using the same frequency of band. I ask if the exchange of software to radio TD2 can make it recognize the 3G network.
Thanks in advance
Websailor
Claro uses the 850/1900 MHz band for 3G.
You've probably bought the European version of the TD2 which only supports 900/2100 MHz bands.
This is defined by hardware - you can't change it by flashing a different radio.
hi
In my D2 i hav settings for 3g 900 and 3g 2100 band!!!
hi
In my D2 i hav settings for 3g 900 and 3g 2100 band!!!
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In my D2 i hav settings for 3g 900 and 3g 2100 band!!!
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Great! Mine too! Every other TD2 currently out there as well...
I've just bought a AT&T HD7S off ebay from a US seller and I'm in the UK. It's not until just now that I considered how it might perform in the UK. I see that the AT&T HD7S lists HSDPA: 850/1900 MHz as its 3g frequencies, while the UK HD7 lists HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz. Does this mean I won't be able to get 3g signal on UK networks? Does anybody have experience using a AT&T HD7S in the UK?
The HTC Help & How To page lists the following:
What bands does my device support?
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HSDPA/UMTS: 850/1900/1700(AWS)/1900/2100 MHz
But the Tech Specs page shows this:
UMTS: 1900/850
GSM/GPRS/AT&T: 850/900/1800/1900MHz
So I wonder if the phone actually supports 2100 MHz
And if so, since O2 HSDPA/3G in the UK runs on 900/2100 does this mean that the phone will still get 3G on 2100 MHz, but won't benefit from the 900 MHz band which enables coverage in harder to reach locations.
Secondly, should I only flash AT&T Radios on to this phone or can I flash the Europe modem found here forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/HTC_HD7/Radios ? Might doing so enable the 2100 MHz band which isn't used by AT&T ?
farooknaji said:
I've just bought a AT&T HD7S off ebay from a US seller and I'm in the UK. It's not until just now that I considered how it might perform in the UK. I see that the AT&T HD7S lists HSDPA: 850/1900 MHz as its 3g frequencies, while the UK HD7 lists HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz. Does this mean I won't be able to get 3g signal on UK networks? Does anybody have experience using a AT&T HD7S in the UK?
The HTC Help & How To page lists the following:
What bands does my device support?
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HSDPA/UMTS: 850/1900/1700(AWS)/1900/2100 MHz
But the Tech Specs page shows this:
UMTS: 1900/850
GSM/GPRS/AT&T: 850/900/1800/1900MHz
So I wonder if the phone actually supports 2100 MHz
And if so, since O2 HSDPA/3G in the UK runs on 900/2100 does this mean that the phone will still get 3G on 2100 MHz, but won't benefit from the 900 MHz band which enables coverage in harder to reach locations.
Secondly, should I only flash AT&T Radios on to this phone or can I flash the Europe modem found here forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/HTC_HD7/Radios ? Might doing so enable the 2100 MHz band which isn't used by AT&T ?
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I got mine off ebay too (HD7S AT&T), did u manage to get the 3G working ? Please help me. Have you flashed the Euro radio ?
NO
UMTS: 1900/850
GSM/GPRS/AT&T: 850/900/1800/1900MHz
These are the correct specs.... because there's no 2100MHz band for GSM, the 2100MHz is used by CDMA networks.
Extracted from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands
For those who have doubts and are a little lazzy to search, here you can get some info
GSM-900, GSM-1800 and EGSM/EGSM-900
GSM-900 and GSM-1800 are used in most parts of the world: Europe, Middle East, Africa, Australia, Oceania (and most of Asia). In South and Central America the following countries use the following:
Peru – GSM-1900
Costa Rica – GSM-1800
Brazil – GSM-850, 900, 1800 and 1900
Guatemala – GSM-850, GSM-900 and 1900
El Salvador – GSM-850, GSM-900 and 1900
Venezuela – GSM-850, GSM-900 and 1900
GSM-900 uses 890–915 MHz to send information from the mobile station to the base station (uplink) and 935–960 MHz for the other direction (downlink), providing 124 RF channels (channel numbers 1 to 124) spaced at 200 kHz. Duplex spacing of 45 MHz is used. Guard bands 100 kHz wide are placed at either end of the range of frequencies.[2]
GSM-1800
GSM-1800 uses 1,710–1,785 MHz to send information from the mobile station to the base transceiver station (uplink) and 1,805–1,880 MHz for the other direction (downlink), providing 374 channels (channel numbers 512 to 885). Duplex spacing is 95 MHz. GSM-1800 is also called DCS (Digital Cellular Service) in the United Kingdom, while being called PCS in Hong Kong[3] – not to mix up with GSM-1900 which is commonly called PCS in the rest of the world. Mobile Communication Services on Aircraft (MCA) uses GSM1800.[4]
GSM-850 and GSM-1900
GSM-850 and GSM-1900 are used in Argentina, Brazil, Canada, the United States and many other countries in the Americas.
GSM-850 uses 824–849 MHz to send information from the mobile station to the base station (uplink) and 869–894 MHz for the other direction (downlink). Channel numbers are 128 to 251.
GSM-850 is also sometimes called GSM-800 because this frequency range was known as the "800 MHz band" (for simplification) when it was first allocated for AMPS in the United States in 1983.
The term Cellular is sometimes used to describe the 850 MHz band, because the original analog cellular mobile communication system was allocated in this spectrum.
GSM-1900 uses 1,850–1,910 MHz to send information from the mobile station to the base station (uplink) and 1,930–1,990 MHz for the other direction (downlink). Channel numbers are 512 to 810.
PCS is the original name in North America for the 1,900 MHz band. It is an initialism for Personal Communications Service.
GSM-450
Another less common GSM version is GSM-450.[5] It uses the same band as, and can co-exist with, old analog NMT systems. NMT is a first generation (1G) mobile phone system which was primarily used in Nordic countries, Benelux, Alpine Countries, Eastern Europe and Russia prior to the introduction of GSM. It operates in either 450.4–457.6 MHz paired with 460.4–467.6 MHz (channel numbers 259 to 293), or 478.8–486 MHz paired with 488.8–496 MHz (channel numbers 306 to 340). The GSM Association claims one of its around 680 operator-members has a license to operate a GSM 450 network in Tanzania. However, currently all active public operators in Tanzania use GSM 900/1800 MHz. Overall, where the 450 MHz NMT band exists, it either still runs NMT, or its been replaced by CDMA. GSM-450 is a provision; it has not seen commercial deployment.
GSM frequency usage around the world
The Americas
In North America, GSM operates on the primary mobile communication bands 850 MHz and 1,900 MHz. In Canada, GSM-1900 is the primary band used in urban areas with 850 as a backup, and GSM-850 being the primary rural band. In the United States, regulatory requirements determine which area can use which band.
GSM-1900 and GSM-850 are also used in most of South and Central America, and both Ecuador and Panama use GSM-850 exclusively (Note: Since November 2008, a Panamanian operator has begun to offer GSM-1900 service). Venezuela and Brazil use GSM-850 and GSM-900/1800 mixing the European and American bands. Some countries in the Americas use GSM-900 or GSM-1800, some others use three: GSM-850/900/1900, GSM-850/1800/1900, GSM-900/1800/1900 or GSM-850/900/1800. Soon some countries will use GSM-850/900/1800/1900 MHz like the Dominican Republic, Trinidad & Tobago and Venezuela.
In Brazil, the 1,900 MHz band is paired with 2,100 MHz to form the IMT-compliant 2,100 MHz band for 3G services.
The result is a mixture of usage in the Americas that requires travelers to confirm that the phones they have are compatible with the band of the networks at their destinations. Frequency compatibility problems can be avoided through the use of multi-band (tri-band or, especially, quad-band) phones.
Africa, Europe, Middle East and Asia
In Africa, Europe, Middle East and Asia, most of the providers use 900 MHz and 1800 MHz bands. GSM-900 is most widely used. Fewer operators use DCS-1800 and GSM-1800. A dual-band 900/1800 phone is required to be compatible with almost all operators. At least the GSM-900 band must be supported in order to be compatible with many operators. However, Thailand has also approved for some time now the use of the GSM-1900 band in an attempt to alleviate network congestion.
Multi-band and multi-mode phones
Today, most telephones support multiple bands as used in different countries to facilitate roaming. These are typically referred to as multi-band phones. Dual-band phones can cover GSM networks in pairs such as 900 and 1,800 MHz frequencies (Europe, Asia, Australia and Brazil) or 850 and 1900 (North America and Brazil). European tri-band phones typically cover the 900, 1800 and 1900 bands giving good coverage in Europe and allowing limited use in North America, while North American tri-band phones utilize 850, 1,800 and 1,900 for widespread North American service but limited worldwide use. A new addition has been the quad-band phone, also known as a world phone, supporting all four major GSM bands, allowing for global use (excluding non-GSM countries such as Japan or South Korea).
There are also multi-mode phones which can operate on GSM as well as on other mobile phone systems using other technical standards or proprietary technologies. Often these phones use multiple frequency bands as well. For example, one version of the Nokia 6340i GAIT phone sold in North America can operate on GSM-1900, GSM-850 and legacy TDMA-1900, TDMA-800, and AMPS-800, making it both multi-mode and multi-band. As a more recent example the Apple iPhone 5 and iPhone 4S support quad-band GSM at 850/900/1,800/1,900 MHz, quad-band UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA at 850/900/1,900/2,100 MHz, and dual-band CDMA EV-DO Rev. A at 800/1,900 MHz, for a total of 'six' different frequencies (though at most four in a single mode). This allows the same handset to be sold for AT&T Mobility, Verizon, and Sprint in the U.S. as well as a broad range of GSM carriers worldwide such as Vodafone, Orange and T-Mobile (Excluding-US), many of whom offer official unlocking.
Note that while the Nexus One, like many other devices on the market, may also become available in a UMTS I/II/IV or 2,100/1,900/850 MHz combo,[7] it would still be considered tri-band UMTS, not quad-band, as the hardware is limited to supporting any three bands at one time. Further, as HSPA runs atop UMTS, it would not be considered a "mode" by strict definition.
I am planning to buy a MX2 for use in China. Apparently, the MX2 supports LTE Channel 3/ 1800 MHz. China Unicom (in the area I'll be traveling in) supports that frequency. The Wikipedia Page for "planned" LTE (although it says "In Trial", I've verified they have it in the city I'm going to) is as follows:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_planned_LTE_networks
Under China Unicom LTE Channel 3 1800 MHz FDD they have a "note". It says:
(↓) 1755 – 1785 MHz / (↑) 1850 – 1880 MHz
I have no idea what that "note" means. Is it implying some "varient" of LTE Channel 3 that perhaps I won't be able to get?
I would greatly appreciate input on anyone who can shed some light on this!