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I bought an iphone about 6 days ago and had nothing but 6 days worth of trouble with the phone. I only just got it working about 8 hours ago after 6 days of phone calls to at7t and apple. Each group whether it was the att store, apple store, att 800 techs or apple 800 techs would point to the other as the source of the problem and so on. What a joke. At any rate the phone is now working and I had a massive oh shiit moment just now. The iPhone does not support VOIP which is the primary reason why I started to look for smart phones. In all my confusion between the wing, the tilt and the iphone I somehow skipped over the fact that att doesnt offer voip. T-mobile does but it costs 20 dollars a month. If I take on a data plan its another 20 dollars a month. On top of that I have to get minutes but I'm affraid that even at the cheapest/lowest minutes plan, my final bill would be around 100 dollars for my phone alone. My wifes phone (non-data no wifi) would add another 50 dollars I'm sure.
The thing is, after all the newness wore off on the iphone and finally getting it working, I'm not all that impressed with it. It keeps switching off the wifi and going to EDGE which is way slower and there doesnt appear to be an easy way to switch it back. The latest firmwares for the iphone dont allow for third party applications which means I would have to pay through the nose to get apple authorized apps. I dont like the fact that you pretty much have to have an apple computer to do anything tricky with the phone. All the cool hacking tools and ring tone downloaders are built for use on apple computers. Windows for the iphone is an afterthought. On top off all of that, I am having to break my t-mobile contract. If I break it alone its 200 dollars but then my wife ends up with a large family plan thats twice more then she needs and yet the price stays the same. Our bill will pretty much double once the iphone bill starts to come in. If she changes her plan to a lower cost, she locks in another 2 year agreement with t-mobile. If we both break the contract its 400 bones and she isnt keen on that idea and wont do it. This leaves us to lie about us getting shipped off to IRAQ and hopefully we can get out of the contract for free. If not, then I may have to stay with t-mobile and ditch the iphone out of lack of options.
If I am able to ditch my t-mobile accounts then I have a choice to make. Do I stick with the iphone or go for the TILT? The Tilt looks like its just as powerfull if not more so then the iphone. The iphone storage might be more but I can get big memory cards for it. I really like the TILTS price, good through tomorrow. 250 to 300 depending on discounts which is the same as the iphone. I know I can do t-mobiles hot spot plan but maybe I can use other VOIP software for free? The iphone doesnt support flash so I cant run google talk and instead have to run meebo which although is nice, it isnt as nice as the full version. I hate having to leave the webpage up full time to run the program.
I like the Tilts windows os. It seems more open source to me then the iphone. So what phone would you go with given the choice?
Does the tilt support google talk? Iphone doest because it doesnt have support for java or flash. Does the tilt support flash and java applications?
In general, iPhone is good for its multimedia capabilities (music and video). On the other hand, if you seek for productivities and features, then you should go to Tilt I believe.
the tilt/kaiser/p4550/tytn ii has support for flash and java yes
i'm unfamiliar with the gtalk mobile application but i don't see any reason for it not to work as it supports other voip platforms
The Tilt simply needs another application to use google talk. I use either Palringo or Fring, both of which are free, and both will work with google talk, MSN Messenger, Yahoo messenger, etc.
cayotte said:
In general, iPhone is good for its multimedia capabilities (music and video). On the other hand, if you seek for productivities and features, then you should go to Tilt I believe.
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Me and my wife bought new phones week ago - she got an iPhone I got Tilt:
If u r looking for something that seamlessly works out of the box and has no issues at all - then Iphone is clear choice. However all of us here know that if thing works flawlessly out of the box it is no fun .... I bought Tilt because GPS mostly - so far works like charm with TOMTOM 6. Considering that cheapest GPS navigator costs mere $200 and I got tilt with my company discount for $150 choice was clear for me. On the other hand iPhone looks and feels quite "feminine" (Just look at default wallpapers)
I thought long and hard about this choice and decided to take the iPhone back. It cost me a 10 percent restocking fee but i think in the end I will be happier with the tilt. I have had to call AT&T twice now since having the phone and everyone of the agents has said something like. "oh wow, nice phone. I really want one of those." So even At&t seems to think its pretty cool. Thanks for the advice.
One of my calls by the way was to see if they would give me the unlock code so that I could use it on T-mobile. They said no problem but it would take 5 to 7 days to get it since the phone was new and they didnt have it in their records yet. At any rate, they are going to email it to me so hopefully I can have it unlocked inside a week for free.
I've had about 5 hours with this phone now and for lack of better terminology I will just simply state that I have been half erect for the entire time. This phone rocks and so kicks the iphones ass. I've been able to get google talk going so I can chat with my wife at work, I have been able to make google talk calls using voip which is totally free (if you don't count the $50 fee for fios or the $80 voice and date charges for the phone, haha) and just now I have gotten the GPS going with google maps. I didn't even know it had GPS. I'm not a poster child for google or anything but their stuff works and it's all I know about right now. I'm sure I will find more apps eventually.
The thing I want to work on now is emulators and roms. I need to get some games going on here now.
For some reason the wifi was a tool in setting up. I couldn't understand why the applications wouldn't connect using wifi after I set the wifi connection up. I ended up having to tell the phone that my wifi was a work connection and then in the connection manager tell all applications to use my work isp. It was bizarre to say the least. I'm not sure how this is going to work though when I get on the road. Am I going to have to tell the phone that all wifi connections belong to my work isp? It seems odd to me that the connections manager wouldn't simply have an option to use wifi as the primary means of connecting to the internet and if thats not available then use G3 or whatever its called.
I'm much happier with this phone then I am with the iPhone. I'm just not into audio and video enough to think its a good phone. I already have a 60 gig ipod and although its nice to have in my car, I certainly dont live and breath all things apple, not by a long shot. Cool phone this Kaiser/Tilt to say the least.
If VoIP is what you are after, then I don't see how the Tilt will make it for you. In fact, as far as I know, all VoIP applications (including Fring, Skype and the WM6 VoIP client) are only able to transmit sound through the speakerphone, rather than the earpiece. Which is totally pointless to me! Isn't this your experience?
I have found that the only decent choice for VoIP usage are Nokia smartphones (E series phones), which have a great emebedded VoIP functionality that works with any SIP-based VoIP service, or they can work with Fring, and have access to SIP, Skype, Google Talk and MSN all at the same time, and all through the earpiece. And they can keep WiFi up and running for at least two days without discharging the battery. And will connect to 3G automatically when WiFi is not available any longer, and back. I have seen no Windows Mobile device being able to do these things, and this is why I am so struggling to go back to Windows Mobile after trying Symbian (Nokia).
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Does the tilt support google talk? Iphone doest because it doesnt have support for java or flash. Does the tilt support flash and java applications?
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If you google for a program called Octrotalk, install it, voila! Googletalk! Great program and it works well with every ROM that I've flashed.
about contracts
yeah the iphone isnt that great and if you wait a 3g iphone is coming, but on another note, DO NOT say you are being deported overseas, just have your wife call and say you died. or viseversa most of the time policy will ask for proof but if you put up a fight over it and the customer service rep has a heart they will cave in. its a pretty touchy subject that most people dont wanna walk around. worked for me more than once.
Sounds crazy?
I completed a first little proof of concept running the new Intel/Nokia platform Meego on Vogue.
So far I end up in error with this loading linux:
cannot set terminal_process group - Inappropriate ioctl for device
Here's the recipe:
- QEmu for Windows Mobile http://niuki.net/files/QEMU_WM.7z
- The Meego usbimg file http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/meego-codedrop-arm-n900-201003311614.ubiimg
- emul_cmdline.txt:
==== CONTENTS ====
-hda
meego.usbimg
-boot
c
-m
32
-no-acpi
==== CONTENTS ====
- create a new emul profile with the emul_cmdline.txt below.
Cool project, I like the look of maemo a little more but it's always great to see new ideas popping up.
if this can succesfully be ported
i wold be severly impressed
VOGUES the phones of the future in the past
Changing phone !?!
inertone said:
if this can succesfully be ported
i wold be severly impressed
VOGUES the phones of the future in the past
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Yeah that's so true, now I'm stuck taking a decision now that I'm at the end of my 3y contract,
and I can't switch to 3G has I have an unlimited data plan for 7$ on CDMA and the maximum limit for any 3G where I am is 3 gig. not more. And I'm doing 1500 kbs with Android 1024 with WinMo..
The only CDMA choice they gave me is the Samsung Galaxy and the problem is that this device has an known issue with Bluetooth Stereo Headset... and that's my #1 feature.
I can always just throw the money on credits instead and keep the good old vogue ... for 3 more years?? ...
What u guys think? Vogue users... Anyone in the same dilemma?
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Yeah that's so true, now I'm stuck taking a decision now that I'm at the end of my 3y contract,
and I can't switch to 3G has I have an unlimited data plan for 7$ on CDMA and the maximum limit for any 3G where I am is 3 gig. not more. And I'm doing 1500 kbs with Android 1024 with WinMo..
The only CDMA choice they gave me is the Samsung Galaxy and the problem is that this device has an known issue with Bluetooth Stereo Headset... and that's my #1 feature.
I can always just throw the money on credits instead and keep the good old vogue ... for 3 more years?? ...
What u guys think? Vogue users... Anyone in the same dilemma?
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keep the vogue. this vogue android community is growing stronger than ever before. and there are alot of ports to choose from and more coming i just brought my phone in to get replaced and i could of easily gotten a different phone but i love this community and it just wouldnt be right with a complete phone. especially wouldnt be right without you guys!!!
my vote is to stay with vogue
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keep the vogue. this vogue android community is growing stronger than ever before. and there are alot of ports to choose from and more coming i just brought my phone in to get replaced and i could of easily gotten a different phone but i love this community and it just wouldnt be right with a complete phone. especially wouldnt be right without you guys!!!
my vote is to stay with vogue
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same recommendation as well
as soon as the incredible comes out
im buying it
buut, there is NO WAY im turning my back on this community
like CP said, Android on Vogue IS getting stronger!
inertone said:
same recommendation as well
as soon as the incredible comes out
im buying it
buut, there is NO WAY im turning my back on this community
like CP said, Android on Vogue IS getting stronger!
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I know that would be cruel to switch phone.
But sooner or later CDMA will go... for the next 3 years that's my only chance to get the Samsung Impact which is 3G, then I will throw it away and since they would give me a SIM card, then I could jump to a unlocked Nexus One let's say or a HTC Incredible... but if I wait i will loose my data plan because believe it or not HTC Vogue is not a "intelligent" (smart) phone at Bell Mobility, Canada. and as time goes no 3G phone will be "dumb" phone.
Samsung Impact is the last dumb phone with WinMo. and unlimited compared to a stupid iPhone is 462$/month as I rate a 12-16 gig per month streaming webcasts, youtube and radio.
I'll sleep on that. Thanks for the advices
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I know that would be cruel to switch phone.
But sooner or later CDMA will go... for the next 3 years that's my only chance to get the Samsung Impact which is 3G, then I will throw it away and since they would give me a SIM card, then I could jump to a unlocked Nexus One let's say or a HTC Incredible... but if I wait i will loose my data plan because believe it or not HTC Vogue is not a "intelligent" (smart) phone at Bell Mobility, Canada. and as time goes no 3G phone will be "dumb" phone.
Samsung Impact is the last dumb phone with WinMo. and unlimited compared to a stupid iPhone is 462$/month as I rate a 12-16 gig per month streaming webcasts, youtube and radio.
I'll sleep on that. Thanks for the advices
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You're on Bell Mobility like me,
Since they now support all unlocked gsm based phones you have a huge selection of phones to choose from. But you're right data rates are a pain with Bell. Thankfully I don't use near as much as you do , and am hoping actually that it will be less if I can find a phone with wifi in it.
I'm also with Bell, are there any other awesomephones like our HTC that use the $10 unlimited data?
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vinny13 said:
I'm also with Bell, are there any other awesomephones like our HTC that use the $10 unlimited data?
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The Samsung Impact is the last one available with the smartphone notion and it will be discontinued this summer. Otherwise, Blackberry and dumb flip phone are available too but that is really to downgrade back to year 1999... You need to get the samsung impact and buy a new unlocked phone, otherwise you'll be stuck with HTC Vogue for the rest of the time you don't want an expensive data plan.
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The Samsung Impact is the last one available with the smartphone notion and it will be discontinued this summer. Otherwise, Blackberry and dumb flip phone are available too but that is really to downgrade back to year 1999... You need to get the samsung impact and buy a new unlocked phone, otherwise you'll be stuck with HTC Vogue for the rest of the time you don't want an expensive data plan.
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Ehh... That phone is nice but I don't see much of a reason why I should upgrade to it, not with Android on my Vogue
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The Samsung Impact is the last one available with the smartphone notion and it will be discontinued this summer. Otherwise, Blackberry and dumb flip phone are available too but that is really to downgrade back to year 1999... You need to get the samsung impact and buy a new unlocked phone, otherwise you'll be stuck with HTC Vogue for the rest of the time you don't want an expensive data plan.
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Stuck? I enjoy my vogue, some of us arn't 'stuck' with it like you say.
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Stuck? I enjoy my vogue, some of us arn't 'stuck' with it like you say.
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there is a difference between ''stuck'' and ''sticking'' and i'm sticking with my vogue lol
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Stuck? I enjoy my vogue, some of us arn't 'stuck' with it like you say.
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The verb "stuck" was more a reference to be stuck on CDMA, and to have no choice to upgrade to avoid losing my contract in it actual format. I still think HTC Vogue is more versatile device around.
Between my contract and the vogue the contract wins.
blauze said:
Sounds crazy?
I completed a first little proof of concept running the new Intel/Nokia platform Meego on Vogue.
So far I end up in error with this loading linux:
cannot set terminal_process group - Inappropriate ioctl for device
Here's the recipe:
- QEmu for Windows Mobile http://niuki.net/files/QEMU_WM.7z
- The Meego usbimg file http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/meego-codedrop-arm-n900-201003311614.ubiimg
- emul_cmdline.txt:
==== CONTENTS ====
-hda
meego.usbimg
-boot
c
-m
32
-no-acpi
==== CONTENTS ====
- create a new emul profile with the emul_cmdline.txt below.
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I love the Vogue. I've had mine for 23mo and there are still development going on. Meego would definitely be awesome. I love what Android has done for my Vogue but I just pre-ordered an Incredible and my Vogue is gonna be my secondary line so something other than Android (not WinMo) would be awesome.
Is this phone and company worth switching over too ? Do to Sprints changing my plan without my approval,I have the opportunity to switch to another carrier.Out of the other big 3 Verizon,T-mobile & AT&T is the only one that is willing to put their offer in writting to me. The other reason I am even looking at this phone and company is because both of my sons want the IPhone and my wife only wants a phone offered by them as well..
So..please fellow XDA members tell me staright up..should I stay with Sprint and my Hero for 1-1/2 years more..or start fresh with this phone and AT&T..
Mac
50 views and not even 1 response..?
Is there no one on-line that has this phone wanting to step up and answer the question ?
I really would like to know the feelings of the folks here,since those that have this phone also have AT&T's service..
Mac
Not an easy one to answer really. I would say if you are completely turned of by what Sprint did to you then changing wouldn't be a bad thing. Going with AT&T will get you points with your family. And who couldn't use more points with their family, right?
That being said, you have by now undoubtedly heared about the GPS problems facing the Galaxy S phones. Some have found their phone is better with different versions, some claim all the updates and changes have made their GPS unuseable. If you are in need of a phone that has good GPS then I would say you can find better. Personally, the GPS issue isn't a deal breaker for me. I am also one of the lucky ones that find it works fine for how I use it.
The phone itself is amazing. Being on XDA also helps as there are many helpful and informative people. Also, the Captivate has been out long enough that the mods are becomming better and better every day, that is if you are into modding your phone. Heck, stock it still is a good phone.
So it all boils down to what you really want to do. I think that is why you haven't had anyone jump on giving you an answer. Good luck my friend!
There is no "right carrier". The advantage of AT&T (now) is coverage and GSM. AT&T has better coverage then T-Mobile, but about equal to VZW. GSM allows you take your phone to Europe - VZW CDMA does not;
But the future brings change - VZW has a slew of World phones coming out (they have GSM as well as CDMA) - VZW has LTE coming out - which is supposed to be a global standard - so travel issue may be a thing of the past.
AT&T has the iPhone today, but rumor says a CDMA iPhone on VZW for the holidays. But rumors are rumors.
I don't know what you are looking for in writing - all the carriers plans are on their web site. T-Mo does have the best customer service, and VZW has some great android phones. If you don't travel much, and T-Mo has good coverage where you live, they seem to have the best prices and some of the best phones.
AT&T is fine too - not trying to steer you away. I moved to AT&T for an iPhone years ago - and I travel to EU; so VZW wasn't cutting it.
Anyway If the family wants AT&T and the price for phones and service fits, then make the move. But you are stuck for 2 years.
Sounds like it's 3-1 in your house. I'd go ahead and make the switch if thats what your family wants. I don't think you'll be worse off with one carrier over the other, at the end of the day they will all screw you. Captivate is a great phone if you can deal with the sometimes difficult to deal with GPS.
I agree. Go with what makes your family happy overall. The Captivate is a fine device, and I've been much more pleased with it than I was with my iPhone. Talk it over with your family, putting them first won't do you wrong.
My first phone was from Virgin Mobile and was prepaid. I know they leased out network access from Sprint. It was awful. I never had good coverage, and then they started charging more for everything. I left them.
I've been with AT&T now since 6th grade. They've never screwed us over, they've always been helpful, and whenever we've had problems, like my sister signing up for those joke things they advertise on tv putting huge data charges on our bill, they cleared it up right away and even gave us a credit on the account.
Of course you're going to hear horror stories of bad customer service from everyone, but really it's not all that common. I've always thought AT&T had great phones, and they've all last me a long time.
My favorite phones have always been Samsung ones as all but one of my phones has been from them. My first was a Sony Ericsson S710a and it lasted me until one day I was sliding it open, and it slipped out of my hand and into a wall and the LCD shattered. After that I had a Samsung a727, then the SGH-i607 Blackjack, then the SGH-a877 Impression, and now the Captivate.
You will be happier with AT&T then with Sprint. But ultimately, you pay the bill and you decide where your money goes. I'll just add that I don't usually praise any company for no reason.
I love this phone with ji6 gps works completely fine for me it does what its supposed to every time lately gets me there no issues. Im very happy with att besides they make you pay for tethering, but theres ways around that with this phone, hehe ;-)
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Thanks Guys..
I hate spending a-lot more money so soon on moving my service (since may 2010)..but I really don't know how I could stay with them.
As to any cell company posting their policy on line..well..that can and does change (with Sprint almost daily)..and actually having a written signed contract is something the other companies won't do,AT&T will.That does a lot for me..and for my wife peace of mind.My boys have wanted the I phones for sometime..I don't want one..which is why I am asking about the Captivate. BTW...Sprint elected to change my verbal contract given to me at the time of signing..and I fought it the best I could without turning my Lawyers loose..and I most likely would have won,but the cost to do so would have been prohibitive without a written contract,or so what they told me when I spoke to them about it..
So..the phone has a GPS problem..and that isn't a deal breaker for me,but I do want to see it fixed and soon.Having a 2.2 rom is what I am running on my hero now along with one of the best looking themes going right now IMHO..http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=797077 and so hopefully we can get this ported over here at some point..even if I have to learn how to do it myself
FWIW..I looked closely at this phone and also the Ios4 and hands down this one blows it out of the water on anything video..I stopped by T-Mobile and watched the HD Avatar movie on their version when I was looking at what they offered...It was just awesome..simply jaw dropping..
I am looking forward to the 2.2 upgrade and what comes after with it..So..I will be on here more and more reading what I can..
Thanks Again
Mac
Mac, just a heads up. The leaked 2.2 rom we have actually fixed the GPS. There's no real problem anymore. Obviously it will become more refined when the final release comes out but it definitely works now.
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stuffy is a difficult company but I can't feral with poor service so I disk with them. get used to advanced features like tethering being blocked and such. but you can fix that by looking in the dev section. att isn't all bad though mostly because they are stupid, I told them verizon had a 15% vetrans discount (they do) and asked att if they had something similar. well they didn't but the customer service rep put me on an active duty discount because she didn't know better. it needs to be approved at a higher level with pics of my id and a valid military email according to there website, well I put the papers in anyway and had 15% off my bill the next month. so they obviously don't look at it.
verizons version of bloatware is full blown add ware. if you plug an incredible into a windows pc it hijacks explorer and goes to a v cast music site. on the fascinate they replaced the google services with microsoft services.
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I think it's refreshing to see all the honest answers, not a ton of chest pounding "our phone is the best" posts. Most people on XDA by nature are into tweaking so the out-of-the-box limitations aren't a showstopper.
For me, I really need a world-capable phone. My family also is on ATT so that helped as well. I think all the carriers are converging on offering similar product. ATT has less HTC stuff but has the IPhone. ATT is currently behind on Android, but the Captivate is certainly helping to address that. I like the phone and have recommended it friends. Go for it.
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Mac, just a heads up. The leaked 2.2 rom we have actually fixed the GPS. There's no real problem anymore. Obviously it will become more refined when the final release comes out but it definitely works now.
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Cool..that is good news..
Thanks
Mac
I will give my two bits. My experience has been good with att. Cs has never been bad, but at times there were moments that did not go smoothly. Always quick to address concerns of mine and they love giving credits out to keep me happy. I have been one of the lucky that never had major problems out of the box with the captivate. But coming from a storm running on atti think my standard were lower. Gps on froyo still doesn't work perfectly but has had improvement with locking and tracking. Dev support is actually really good so that is a big plus. My wife loves her captivate and she is not a techie at all. Hope my input helps.
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I will give my two bits. My experience has been good with att. Cs has never been bad, but at times there were moments that did not go smoothly. Always quick to address concerns of mine and they love giving credits out to keep me happy. I have been one of the lucky that never had major problems out of the box with the captivate. But coming from a storm running on atti think my standard were lower. Gps on froyo still doesn't work perfectly but has had improvement with locking and tracking. Dev support is actually really good so that is a big plus. My wife loves her captivate and she is not a techie at all. Hope my input helps.
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It does,and greatly appreciated..
I understand the gps issue,and I am wondering if the delayed release of FroYo on this phone is partly because of it. Rooting and adding on customs roms has been working great for me on my Hero..and that phone is finnally acting the way it should have all along. Removing AT&T's bloatware will be my first priority after 2.2 is released..
I am curious about one thing..I know you can't load 3rd party apps unless rooted and a custom rom..but can you direct push them with the sd out of the phone and in a reader from a pc ? If we are working out of windows and a terminal..we should be able to insert any .apk or what we want.. anywhere we want..can't we ?
Thanks Again Guys
Mac
mobius911 said:
I think it's refreshing to see all the honest answers, not a ton of chest pounding "our phone is the best" posts. Most people on XDA by nature are into tweaking so the out-of-the-box limitations aren't a showstopper.
For me, I really need a world-capable phone. My family also is on ATT so that helped as well. I think all the carriers are converging on offering similar product. ATT has less HTC stuff but has the IPhone. ATT is currently behind on Android, but the Captivate is certainly helping to address that. I like the phone and have recommended it friends. Go for it.
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Same here..I know folks have their favorites and also know there will always be folks that have problems..but it is refreshing to see a honest straight forward discussion with out any of the fan fair these types of threads always seem to degenerate into.
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Mac11700 said:
I am curious about one thing..I know you can't load 3rd party apps unless rooted and a custom rom..but can you direct push them with the sd out of the phone and in a reader from a pc ? If we are working out of windows and a terminal..we should be able to insert any .apk or what we want.. anywhere we want..can't we ?
Thanks Again Guys
Mac
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You can push them using ADB or even easier, if you google something called the "Android Central Sideload Wonder Machine" or just sideload wonder machine, someone created an app to so that you don't even have to use the command prompt or hack the phone. No need for a custom rom, and I don't believe rooting is needed.
Here, I'll link you to it.
SIDELOAD WONDER MACHINE
I made the switch you are thinking of about 1.5 years ago and I have no regrets. One thing to keep in mind is the data cap ATT now has on their new subscribers. I signed up when unlimited was an offering, and honestly I don't know that I would have been comfortable using 1 smartphone, let alone 3-4 of them with limited data usage. ATT also had better coverage where I lived last year but would say Sprint is on par within the city limits now. The Evo is a really nice phone (Several people I know have them and are pleased) but I won't go back to Sprint after all the horrible customer service I had with them for 8 years. My local ATT business rep does an incredible job and is a big reason that I just renewed with them(they let me keep unlimited data). Ultimately, if I was in your shoes, I would probably do what made my family/wife happy as long as it isn't going to cause financial heartache when you exceed the data limit. I think they charge in blocks of 200mb for overage but you should definitely look into how much data your family has/will be using. My .02
Edited to add: Depending on what kind of user you are (business/personal) you might want to leave that cog. 2.2 alone until it works. I loaded it last weekend, went out to a job, and was unable to d-load an important pdf that was in my e-mail. Fortunately I had a laptop but in the past I would have been able to count on my phone for a quick blueprint reference. Sounds like it may be a fun thing to play with as long as you don't REALLY need everything on your phone to work. Also, the GPS was horrid on cog. 2.2. Needless to say I flashed it back to the original software when I got home. My GPS works just fine after the JH7 OTA update was installed. Worked yesterday on a 2 hour drive where I only had phone coverage for 20-30 miles. I haven't "tweaked" the GPS settings, just whatever they changed with JH7 is working.
itsjustaphone said:
I made the switch you are thinking of about 1.5 years ago and I have no regrets. One thing to keep in mind is the data cap ATT now has on their new subscribers. I signed up when unlimited was an offering, and honestly I don't know that I would have been comfortable using 1 smartphone, let alone 3-4 of them with limited data usage. ATT also had better coverage where I lived last year but would say Sprint is on par within the city limits now. The Evo is a really nice phone (Several people I know have them and are pleased) but I won't go back to Sprint after all the horrible customer service I had with them for 8 years. My local ATT business rep does an incredible job and is a big reason that I just renewed with them(they let me keep unlimited data). Ultimately, if I was in your shoes, I would probably do what made my family/wife happy as long as it isn't going to cause financial heartache when you exceed the data limit. I think they charge in blocks of 200mb for overage but you should definitely look into how much data your family has/will be using. My .02
Edited to add: Depending on what kind of user you are (business/personal) you might want to leave that cog. 2.2 alone until it works. I loaded it last weekend, went out to a job, and was unable to d-load an important pdf that was in my e-mail. Fortunately I had a laptop but in the past I would have been able to count on my phone for a quick blueprint reference. Sounds like it may be a fun thing to play with as long as you don't REALLY need everything on your phone to work. Also, the GPS was horrid on cog. 2.2. Needless to say I flashed it back to the original software when I got home. My GPS works just fine after the JH7 OTA update was installed. Worked yesterday on a 2 hour drive where I only had phone coverage for 20-30 miles. I haven't "tweaked" the GPS settings, just whatever they changed with JH7 is working.
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Dam good advise..Thanks
They charge in 1 gig allotments for overages now..not 200 mb. I too was worried about doing just this..and this is per line..not per plan. I went back through all of my bills and no-one has even come close to 1gig..let alone 2 gigs..but I understand that can change too.
The main thing for me and my family is getting a phone that is going to work..every time. I've run into some issues with mine on my job where I needed it and something crashed it. Also it's so tiresome for me to hear all the complaints and moaning when something crashes or FC's on their phones..I can deal with it happening on mine cause I am used to tinkering with it..but I have to say I am very tempted some by the I 4's simplicity...it would be nice just to not have to worry about updating mine almost daily,and just use the durn thing. I just don't know if I could deal with it or not as a day to day phone. I am at a loss in that regards..I know you can jailbreak them and do similar things we do with our Androids..but..I don't know enough about that to even consider doing it right now. I most likely would just so I could download apps and movies on it to watch from my pc..I got a week to figure this all out..and you all here are helping a-lot..
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I honestly liked the iphone4, and had one for a week. It was fun and all, but it had the same problem as my 3G, the ability to make and MAINTAIN a phone call. Obviously that isn't much of an issue for younger kids since you can still text with spotty coverage(my 13 yo uses about 60 min. a month and 1,000,000,000,000 text messages) I don't know if the iphone is somehow on a different signal than the other phones, but I have been very pleased with the PHONE CALL ability of the captivate. My wife loves the iphone (though she keeps eyeballing the captivate now) and like you, I do not enjoy fixing problems, so I have tried my best to keep her interest in my phone at a minimum. I can honestly say I do not miss the iphone for anything. I also enjoy the *cough cough* wireless tethering of my captivate(free app) that iphone never did get right(and when it did work, there was the whole loss of signal issue). The iphone is good at running apps and texting, outstanding even. I just really need to make phone calls and MAINTAIN a call when I make it. But like I said in my previous post, if your use is personal, iphone might work. If you make important calls, it fails.
I have been looking and looking but i cannot find anything. All i can find is the Blackberry Torch but i would like to stay here on XDA. I have had the Nexus one and i really dont want it again.
The Samsung Captivate just doesnt stand out to me. Its just like the N1 and is to big IMO. I really like the Desire Z but its T-mobile, so what are my choices here? I want something new that is not an Iphone with Android.
Dude, Moto Flipout. Case closed.
good day.
chopper the dog said:
Dude, Moto Flipout. Case closed.
good day.
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No thats to small i wouldnt even be able to use 3g then
htc Desire @D what about the motorola droid x?! sorry dont know much about at&t since I live in the uk
ATT oversold
The problem is not the phone it is the carrier. They oversold the bandwidth on the 3g-net and That is why I do not have them anymore. They kick you down to 2g all the time and in the west where I am they are King of dropped calls That is why i am on T Mobile. They have problems but my connection it typically 2.5mb download and 1.5 up on average
I have to agree with oka1. Not only do they kick you down to 2g, they charge you for chunks of data instead of an unlimited plan. And after the exclusive contract with Apple dries up, I don't know how much longer they can stick around.
If anything, stay away from the crackberry. Worst selling phone in the history of smartphones (besides the Kin lol)
Honestly, if you are in-between contracts, I'd switch. T-Mobile has a lot of good things going for it (HSXPA compatible with ALL 3g phones, unlimited data, flexpay plans, etc), and it's still considered one of the smallest carriers in the US. And, let's not forget how the G1 debuted on T-Mobile
If you're the patient type, I'd wait until AT LEAST December to purchase a new phone, as anything you buy now will be obsolete by January (what with all the craze about dual-core processors up to 1.5 GHz).
I haven't had any problems with speed or dropped calls with the Tilt 2. I've had it for about 3 months now, first tilt before that no probs either.
But like the others here have said, a lot of it depends on your location.
I recently reacquired my g1 (it was on loan to my mother, who got a new mytouch 4g for christmas, since I bought my n1 in january.)
I just updated it to cyan 6.1, it won't have a data plan, but what should I do with it?
remote for my ubuntu desktop?
connect it to a weather balloon and try to get pictures from low orbit?
I need ideas, y'all got any?
Im in the same position here not even sure if its worth selling.
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Same here. Keeping it as a back-up in case my G2 fails, but I might use it to pick up some JTAG skills.
You could always sell it to me cheap, I need a second g1 for devving on as mine is no bloody use as a phone cause I'm always flashing something or other
unfortunately it's not for sale, plus the shipping across the atlantic would probably cost as much as you'd be willing to pay for it.
Plus I want to do something fun with it, since it is my first smartphone...
I'm considering using it for a test bed of what can and can't be done, with out a data plan, with google voice/skype, and so forth...
I'm keeping mine forever it will be like an antique the grand Dady of all android phones ;-)
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using it as a ps3 hacking device or just as huge memory stick
Travel phone for wifi calling and gps related stuff.
use it as an mp3 player, an ipod touch alternative
ull have froyo, games, music, videos, wifi etc..just no calls
well i successfully got it set up for google voice calls over wifi with out a sim card, which is pretty sweet.
Keep the ideas coming, I like the ideas.
Use it as a paperwieght , well... nevermind, thats what the iPhone is for...
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I too have an old G-1 that I am no longer using. I would like to give it to one of my kids to play movies on as well as games and music. Do I have to root it to get around the lack of a sim card to make it functional? Any help here would be appreciated!! I have rooted and flashed Roms on Samsung Vibrant but have limited experience. Thanks in advance for any help!
I have 2 g1 but one have with signals and slide so I use it for testing new roms themes and all experiments
I am also tring to costomize my own rom so get useful there
U can also do same
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Gave up on this phone and now turned it into a Voip phone. Now just gotta figure out how to keep wifi running.
As a follow up I've set my old g1 up with sipdroid and google voice for free wifi calling and texts.
I also set it up with a combo of ip cam view and webkey so that it can be used as a webcam over a wifi area.
It's a couple of cool things honestly, really love the proof of concept feeling about them, even if I don't use them.
I'm willing to try out other ideas. =P
I love you guys getting upgrades. I have bought 3 G1's in the past few months $45-80 was the range of the 3 I bought. I am running GingerYoshi on them all Sparks 1.6.4 before that. can use on wifi with skype and no sim card. Post em on your local Craigslist. For broke people like myself
unfortunately I can't sell it. It's a museum piece for me
Load GingerYoshi1.0rc3 and voip its running smooth
Have a bunch of different nandroid backups saved.
One with an iPhone layout, another with the Windows 7.
Then when one of your friends gets a new phone, rub it in their face that yours can do everything there's can times 3.