hey guys, i am using the stock google maps on the phone. I take it that the "gps" it is using is free of charge because it is not using my data connection, what does use data is to load the map. Everything works well untill I enter a part of the map not loaded. Is it possible to have the map preloaded so that it doesn't need internet to view it?
asb123 said:
hey guys, i am using the stock google maps on the phone. I take it that the "gps" it is using is free of charge because it is not using my data connection, what does use data is to load the map. Everything works well untill I enter a part of the map not loaded. Is it possible to have the map preloaded so that it doesn't need internet to view it?
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No google maps works off of data, gps is independent- like you said.
GPS works like this (simplified): The satellites are all constantly broadcasting their ID number and the current time (from very precise clocks onboard). The receiver picks up the signals from several satellites. Because the different signals all had to travel different distances from satellite to receiver, the times in the signals are slightly different. From this difference, and from knowledge of the exact orbits of each satellite, the receiver can figure out its own position.
No data transfer needed, and also, btw, nothing transmitted from your phone.
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So the internal GPS is one of the primary reasons I wanted the Kaiser, but when it comes down to it, it's the rare occasion that I actually use the GPS for much, especially stuff outside of basic "where am I" and "how do I get there" with gmaps...
Even when using quickgps, sometimes when I need to know where I am in relation to somewhere I'm going, quickly, it can still take way too long to pick up sat signals. I was in the car with a friend the other night (this is a guy that I constantly harass for having an iPhone (and he harasses me for the opposite)) and when we both pulled out our phones with gmaps, he knew right where we were, instantly, while all I could do was sit there and try my hardest to not make excuses about why I wasn't picking up a sat signal quickly.
Unless I'm using other GPS software, for my uses with gmaps, I'd really rather just be able to use the triangulation that non-GPS phones use. I tried turning off the GPS (GPS program port: None) in settings, but gmaps just searches anyway, not finding any hardware and/or sats.
Is what I want to do possible? I'm sure I'll get several responses on how I can speed up my sat signal pickup, which is NOT what I'm looking for. I just want to be able to use gmaps "My Location" without using the internal GPS, thus saving battery as well as getting a quicker pickup on where I am...
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Yes, what your asking for is just using "My Location" without GPS. I use "My Location" all the time it does not activate my GPS. Here is an article that confirms "My Location" does not use GPS.
http://gigaom.com/2007/11/28/google-my-location/
-McMex
mcmexican said:
Yes, what your asking for is just using "My Location" without GPS. I use "My Location" all the time it does not activate my GPS. Here is an article that confirms "My Location" does not use GPS.
http://gigaom.com/2007/11/28/google-my-location/
-McMex
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I know that My Location can be used without GPS, I'm just wondering if it's possible on a Kaiser. Assuming you have a Kaiser device, what and how do you have it set up so that gmaps doesn't activate/use GPS, but instead uses the cell towers?
On my device using GoogleMaps 2.0.0.11 the option for My Location works separately from Use GPS. The location (within 1.7KM) is picked up within seconds, GPS does take longer but is accurate to individual rooms within my home. The Cell based locator is obviously dependent on your Carriers Cell towers and I know in the past I have been unable to get a location over HSDPA or 3G but GPRS worked. Now though on TMobile UK at home I can get my cell based location using any non Wifi data connection.
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wizzzard said:
On my device using GoogleMaps 2.0.0.11 the option for My Location works separately from Use GPS. The location (within 1.7KM) is picked up within seconds, GPS does take longer but is accurate to individual rooms within my home. The Cell based locator is obviously dependent on your Carriers Cell towers and I know in the past I have been unable to get a location over HSDPA or 3G but GPRS worked. Now though on TMobile UK at home I can get my cell based location using any non Wifi data connection.
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Ah, my apologies. Turns out I was not using the latest version. I've installed v2 with separate GPS/My Location, and My Location without GPS works great!
Thanks to all.
bananachunks said:
I know that My Location can be used without GPS, I'm just wondering if it's possible on a Kaiser. Assuming you have a Kaiser device, what and how do you have it set up so that gmaps doesn't activate/use GPS, but instead uses the cell towers?
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By default My Location DOES NOT use GPS. You have to enable GPS from the menu.
Yes I have a Kaiser (actually 2at&t Tilts) and use Google Maps (v2.0.0.12)
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By default My Location DOES NOT use GPS. You have to enable GPS from the menu.
Yes I have a Kaiser (actually 2at&t Tilts) and use Google Maps (v2.0.0.12)
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Yes, I found this out by installing the latest Google Maps (after my last ROM flash, I installed gmaps from a cab I already had on sd, which was apparently not a recent version).
Thank you - I love the fact that I can use gmaps without GPS now for the quick "where am I" without having to wait, but can still use GPS when I feel like it, and also still have it enabled in Settings for use in other GPS programs.
Thanks again
is this possible? i mean this would be a great advantage for those samsung galaxy s 2.1 gps issue? the online internet provider provide the gps tracking via satelite not our devices. sorry for my bad english. thank u >.
lyrad12 said:
is this possible? i mean this would be a great advantage for those samsung galaxy s 2.1 gps issue? the online internet provider will provide the gps tracking via satelite not our devices. sorry for my bad english. thank u >.<
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Not sure what you mean.
GPS uses satellites. Phones use data plan to load maps. Some applications like TomTom load 1.5GB of maps on the SD card, but still use GPS chip to talk to satellite. If you don't use GPS you don't use satellites. You can use AGPS that uses cell phone towers, but it is not very accurate.
In summary. If you don't use satellites, you won't be very accurate. You can get basic location, but never use phone for turn by turn navigation.
Hey guys quick question would the GPS still work on the n1 if you use it with only wifi. I was thinking of getting an offline map program and then using the GPS on the already downloaded map.
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I heard that google will provide an offline navigation soon. Very soon.
So you don't have to go looking for anything.
GPS can work without any data at all, WiFi or cellular. It'll just take much more time to lock on the position.
Assistance data can be downloaded on WiFi as well as cellular data.
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Hey guys quick question would the GPS still work on the n1 if you use it with only wifi. I was thinking of getting an offline map program and then using the GPS on the already downloaded map.
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GPS = Provides a location. Besides speeding up an initial fix over data (AGPS) to get ephemeris data it doesn't care about data. And if you don't have any data available, it will download the ephemeris data itself after a few minutes anyway over the sat link.
What YOU mean is navigation... Google Maps? Waze? Those do require data. New Google Maps 5 coming out will not in certain circumstances, and there are other offline mapping programs out there, but most rely on data to download maps, routes, and create routes.
With data from network I can identify the location instantly. However, if I uncheck "Use wireless network", I have never located myself on Googles Maps. Is it a defect on the GPS?
Thanks in advance!
Google maps doesn't includes world map installed, it only store some caches.. you still need network to download map data & network based location, GPS is used for more accurate result & yes it's true p970 gps is not so good.
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Google maps doesn't includes world map installed, it only store some caches.. you still need network to download map data & network based location, GPS is used for more accurate result & yes it's true p970 gps is not so good.
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Thanks for your help! In fact, I already have cache of Google Maps, then turn off the wireless connection, to figure out the performance of the GPS alone. It sucks!
BTW, I used HTC Touch before and its GPS could identify the location very quickly.
have you test with the GPS fix (in hidden menu) ?
Actually you are wrong, GPS in very good in OB.
I used it for a trip of 700 KM and it has difficulty only the first time when it aquires a position (this is normal if you don't use AGPS) like 3-4 minutes...
On the road I turned off GPS by simply locking the screen (IGO8), and on relaunch the GPS position will not take more than 30 seconds. I don't have any data on my contract so it was purely GPS!
The first time it's normal to take a very long time because a large number of sattelites have to be aquired to for pin-point accuracy. Afterword I think it works with 2-3 visible sattelites!
My previous phone was a HTC Diamond, and it was exactly the same if I dind't used the GPS app every day that downloaded sattelites in advance.
It works but it's slow (as it should be). For me it's around 1 minute in hidden menu. Best place for testing outside hidden menu is Compass app (If you don't have data connection for maps)
For hidden menu:
1. Go into the LG hidden menu (3845#*970#)
2. Go into GPS Test
Test it (you need activated GPS of course)
if it's really slow, try this (I think it's if you use network to pinpoint but everyone is suggesting it, so I will too)
1. Go into System Settings
2. SULP Setting -> SLP Server Setting
create new:
Nokia (slp address: supl.nokia.com, port: 7275, no cert and no TLS setting)
If it still doesn't work, try other variants (LGE SUPL, Spirent, etc).
Thanks everyone!
It works now! The. GPS is quite sensitive!
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In the gps test in the hidden menu, there's not such option as gps fix.
Me too, I'm interested in using my gps without the assistance of the network cells. I've already tried the three supl servers and it doesn't seems to work for me. So, if someone knows how to use it without network assistance I'll be really grateful.
Thanks in advance.
It should work out of the box.. afaik, you don't need to mess with the SLP servers unless you are using some sort of assisted GPS mode (with wifi or 3g connection). I'm using it straight out of the box (after installing the fresh firmware) and it works normal in the car (1-2 minutes first fix, a couple of seconds for any other subsequent fix). Getting a first fix while on foot does take a bit longer, but that's true with all the other non-android devices I've had. the OB has normal (no more, no less) sensitivity when it comes to GPS.
i think there it`s a problem in OB mine has problems with gps too , and already o try`d all kind of apps and even use the gps standalone from the fresh new update soft and nothing , fix the gps for the first time and after then i can`t travel with standalone gps
Hi, Just got my Galaxy Note a few weeks ago. Downloaded this GPS app called Sygic and was wondering will it requires data and blow up my phone bill? I do in fact have a 500MB internet data plan but i usually used it only on internet. Pls help
GPS wont use your Data connection, i think sygic has pre-loaded maps. if so then it wont use your data connection.
Hold power button for a second or two, select disable data, turn off wifi.
If Sygic continues to work, you are good.
What size is the app? Does it have on-board maps? If the app is like 6mb and there are no additional downloads, chances are it streams data to download maps on the fly, hence using your data. If the app has an initial download of a gig or so, you probably have onboard maps.
its a 6mb file. But when downloading the maps. Its about 300MB.
GPS uses very few data to approximate the position (that helps to fix) and download ephemeris (essential to fix). I've tried my GPS without data, fix time goes from few seconds to more than 5 minutes (it did not achieve fix).
BUT, I think a 500 Mb plan is far enough. I use from time to time Google navigation (which download maps), and use 200-300 Mb a month (not only with navigation).
GPS not using data, it connects directly with satellite, but when you use any application that uploads your location, uses data. e.g. Google map lattitude. to locate your position data not being used, but lattitude updates your location at define period of time, that uses data.
Sygic, it dont requires data. but on first usage it download required basic files n map, that uses data. Sygic requires basic files of around 300Mb or more. as well Map as per your selection. e.g. India map + Basic files are about 800MB, so if you have not downloaded it with wi-fi OR transfere these files (it stored in 'Aura' folder of device internal memory), then it will download. Once you complete this dowload, you can use it without data /even without SIM card too.
Google Map navigation, That uses data. but you can limit data by pre fetch map, You will get this option in - Map -setting -Labs - enable precatch map area
Now you can long press any area on map, you want to travel - press popup menu - select pre cache map area, it will download 10ml area, you have selected. so this can be fetched using wi-fi. and you ca save data during navigation. But it still requires active data connection to run Navigation.
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its a 6mb file. But when downloading the maps. Its about 300MB.
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Ya, you have to download maps first time.
Thanks everyone, Now i need to figure out whats making my phone bill burst as hell. xD
Use "Track your 3g" app.
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But it still requires active data connection to run Navigation.
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This is untrue. First, on my captivate when I still had a 200mb plan, before I switched to unlimited, I would input my destination over wifi, disable mobile data, and I could get Navigation all the way to my destination. I have done the same think with my WiFi only transformer. You only need data at the beginning of the trip, unless you get a fair bit off course.
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This is untrue. First, on my captivate when I still had a 200mb plan, before I switched to unlimited, I would input my destination over wifi, disable mobile data, and I could get Navigation all the way to my destination. I have done the same think with my WiFi only transformer. You only need data at the beginning of the trip, unless you get a fair bit off course.
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I said it requires to 'run' navigation.better term is 'Start'. you have already run application when you wr on wifi, But what about if you have to restart it in any case? In sort it is not complete offline, like sygic / navigon n other offline mavigation SW.
Onboard navigation programs like Aura Sygic do not recquire data connection..
However after installing Aura, you will need to download the maps of your choice and in this case you will need wifi connection and you will do this only once, unless you want to download more maps in the future..
With Offboard navigation apps like some versions of google maps, the required maps are not installed on your device, but in a server and therefore you will be needing data connection.
I will always go for ONBOARD gps programs, they are more reliable, stable and I wont get a data plan only to use Google's supposedly free stuff which are not working that good anyway. Not to mention the roaming costs once I am abroad....so, not that free...
My favorite onboard program is iGO, but unfortunately, I cannot find a suitable version for the GNote's screen resolution...
But Aura Sygic is doing just fine, at least here in Europe..
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fredjm31 said:
GPS uses very few data to approximate the position (that helps to fix) and download ephemeris (essential to fix). I've tried my GPS without data, fix time goes from few seconds to more than 5 minutes (it did not achieve fix).
BUT, I think a 500 Mb plan is far enough. I use from time to time Google navigation (which download maps), and use 200-300 Mb a month (not only with navigation).
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If you want to download gps ASSIST data, in order to speed up that first satellite fix, you can do it on demand by using apps such as GPS Status and you can do it at home using a wifi connection.
But since I have this monster (GNote) The first fix happen always amazingly fast even during a cold start without any assist, unlike many other phones I owned
So when I use the gps, I am always offline, I dont have a data -account, data network mode is always deactivated and I dont have any APN configured
And off course I dont have wifi in my car