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Hi guys,
I wanted to check out android 2.1 flan, so I installed the rom after making a nandroid backup.
It was fun to check out, but in order to load it I had to wipe my phone and my cache.
After restoring my nandroid, all the applications I had installed but wiped with the cache are acting funny. Basically they still show up in manage applications, but they really arent there, and if I try to reinstall them through market it doesnt let me click install OR uninstall as both are greyed out.
Basically, I will have to wait for all my applications to get "updates" before I can use them again.
Is there a way to clean up these ghost programs... without doing a complete wipe (and loosing text messages and other things)?
I didnt think Nandroid did application backups (what you are seeing are in the ext3 partition)
You need Switchrom or BART to do full backups including apps
I may be (and no dount will be) wrong though.
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Hi guys,
I wanted to check out android 2.1 flan, so I installed the rom after making a nandroid backup.
It was fun to check out, but in order to load it I had to wipe my phone and my cache.
After restoring my nandroid, all the applications I had installed but wiped with the cache are acting funny. Basically they still show up in manage applications, but they really arent there, and if I try to reinstall them through market it doesnt let me click install OR uninstall as both are greyed out.
Basically, I will have to wait for all my applications to get "updates" before I can use them again.
Is there a way to clean up these ghost programs... without doing a complete wipe (and loosing text messages and other things)?
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As mentioned above, nandroid *does not* back up your external apps. It will ONLY backup your *INTERNAL* storage.
If you make a clean restore of your nandroid backup and then run the fix_permissions script from recovery, it *might* be able to fix (some/most of) your external apps. Might try that.
If it doesn't work, then it is a tedious business of reinstalling each application individually and then restoring *ITS* home directory. Either that or a total wipe (internal and external).
The problem is that the database file that keeps track of which apps you have installed/removed is out of sync with the apps that you have installed.
I am uncertain how to fix this (I have the same problem myself).
If you perform a factory wipe, you'll lose that database entirely. All your apps will be installed, but your phone will think that none of them are.
UPDATE:
OK...apparently this is a more widespread issue impacting people running the stock/OEM ROMs as well as those of us with rooted phones.
Read up on this thread:
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=096ef069db2788e9&hl=en
I followed the suggestion near the bottom of the page and copied over the /data/data/com.andriod.vending/databases/assets.db to a new filename (basically I renamed it).
I then launched the market app and then it would let me install (reinstall) the missing apps.
Then I ran into a problem. I deleted the new assets.db that was created and copied the old one (the one I renamed) back to assets.db.
Then the market app would force close. I noticed the UID of the assets.db file was wrong.
I ran the fix_permissions script from RA's recovery image. This fixed the UID problem, including the assets.db file. But now the market app only shows the apps that I've paid for......none of the others that I have installed.
Not sure what's going on there. It may sort itself out within 24 hours.
I am experiencing some very unusual problems with my froyo installs, specifically when installing/restoring apps.
First the basic info:
Nexus One
Froyo 2.2 FRF 72 stock with root no radio update
Upgraded from FRF 50 stock with root no radio update
I used Titanium Backup (TB) to backup all my apps, I have done this countless times before. Everything was fine on FRF50, but I wanted to try out a modified ROM. Yes I nandroided, but the restore failed THANKS CLOCKWORKMOD!! I should have stuck with amonRA. Anway, I had no choice but to flash again. I tried a few from the forums with all the same results so I gave up on them and just did stock with root but still having the issues.
When I restored the apps with TB, i get about 90% of my apps restored then I get an error saying that my space is full (even tho I enabled the stock apps2sd method) OR TB will suddenly just stop restoring apps, again stuck around 94%. I am thinking, its okay ill just reboot and continue. Well I rebooted and all the apps were gone even tho they are obviously on the sdcard, i checked.
So typical solution:
force stop the launcher. that didnt work. i tried other launchers, nothing worked. i had no choice but to wipe and try again. trust me, i did this way to many times, i dont even wanna think about it.
So i thought there was an issue with TB, yes i clicked "problems", upgraded busybox, trust me, I did all the basic stuff, Im beyond that.
Then I tried installing every app manually, thats over 150+ apps, ya..it was annoying as hell. Then suddenly, I would get stuck at the installing screen....no app would install, not from TB, not from market, not from the sdcard...nothing.
So typical solution:
delete .android_secure
That only works temporarily, then its back to the issue.
The point is, it keeps happening. Like today, I install a fresh ROM, yes I wiped, I even partitioned the sdcard and within installing literally ONE app, I get this problem, no app installs after that. So I went and deleted .android_secure and everything seems to be working okay. But this will happen again, if I try to restore with TB now, the same thing will happen again. I have tried every combination of installing apps, using TB, wiping....nothing seems to work.
On top of all that, my apps wont restore automatically from the market when installing a fresh ROM. So my question, what do I do about this and has anyone else had this problem? Any help would be appreciated.
Update:
I called it. It happened again. Fresh install, installed one app, no apps installed after that, deleted .android_secure, everything was back to normal, started restoring apps with TB, stuck at 93%, nothing will install now...any suggestions? should i delete .android_secure AGAIN!?
Ayman
Decided to install cyanogenmod 6.0.0 final today (didn't flash any of the nightlies/RCs), and now I'm facing the same problem. My titanium backup restores all appeared to be going well, and in fact I can even run the apps that were successfully restored without problems. But at some point in the restore it'll hang, and I won't be able to install anything from then on. In fact, when I tried rebooting the phone, it wouldn't even detect any of the apps installed on the sdcard (although, when I checked /sdcard/.android_secure, all the .asec files were present).
OP/anyone else, did you ever manage to fix this problem?
I've got the exact same problem
Tried 3 different roms after wiping everything and I can't seem to install any app.
TB does not install app and neither does market and this is starting to get very annoying.
Same problem but with specific apps:
Wi-Fi File Explorer Pro (most important as I paid for it)
Angry Birds
Google Sky Map
My other 100+ apps restored from Ti Backup or installed from the Market.
I have logs that say "unable to open secure container" but who do I send them to?
Enom from TheOfficialRom has stated that restoring from Titanium is really not very good practice. I had the exact same thing happen to me when i first installed his rom; enabled apps2sd, restored all apps and data with titanium backup.
Here's the catch, and might help you. I then did a wipe (don't wipe ext too!) and when it came up all of my apps were installed and worked fine. I even went through and manually restored all of the data from the apps and they continued to work fine! Just don't restore "System" data, set that stuff back up by hand. So in this case, the apps are "already installed" and for me worked fine, even after restoring their data (not the apps themselves, as they were already on the ext partition). This fixed my primary issue ("all" apps failed to install or upgrade).
However, I continued to have periodic problems with certain apps as I had also enabled dalvik-cache to /cache which works if you don't have a bazillion apps installed, but I have >115 and my /cache was always 100% full and caused app installs to fail. Some were fine, some were not. Don't know why, but I know (after wiping again) and NOT moving dalvik-cache, zero problems. I even repeated the process back and forth a few times and dalvik-cache to /cache = fail for me. You can check in his Spare Parts if you're using his ROM, or just df in a terminal if you've moved the dalvik to make sure where it's at isn't full.
Hopefully this helps some.
I had this problem earlier on after trying a custom rom moving from FRF91 when it first came out. I had to go through the market to get the apps, but titanium would restore the data after i installed the app... i think.
The Clockword nandroid kept failing on me too. BUT, i found if i tried them a second or third time, they would actually work.
Hi,
I'm starting playing with my Nook and have some problem with Market. Each time i try downloading an application it says "Download unsessfull".
I had some problems yesterday trying to use the CWR to make backup, so it can be related..
I don't know what can be related to this so i try to remember all things i done:
- A Nook, unboxed then updated to 1.1
- Rooted using Autonooter 3.0
- At this point Market was working, ie: i downloaded go launcher ex.
- I installed Rom manager and apply cwr (choosed Nook (new), i think it was the mistake)
- rebooted to recovery, i wanted to save the system before trying to apply kernel patch (OC and better touch responsiveness)
- failed to backup the system (it say's can't mount /system)
- So i tried to reboot, it reboot back to recovery each time.
- Panic mode (i'm not linux, recovery or other underground android fluent
- I think a tried the wrong buttons : clear dalvik, i think i clicked "wipe cache partition". Don't think i tried other button, not sure..
- Light back to brain and started searching real solutions
- Wana try the 8 fail solutions, but failed to do that (i don't want to lose against nook
- I installed zip from card: clorkwork-removal
- Nook back to laucher
- At this point i installed some app from elsewhere than Market, i played a little with spare parts i think. When a tried to install from market it didn't work.
- Try to clear market app cache, doesn't change anything.
Sorry if it was a long read, but i think that maximum informations can help you to help me
Oh, Youtube don't lauch anymore too (but that was before the cwr misadventure)
Thank you,
David
ps: sorry about my english
Try using titanium backup to clear data for google framework and market. Also make sure your wireless isn't blocking any traffic. This happens to me on my work network sometimes.
if i don't have titanium (no market at all..) the clear data from google framework is similar to that (found in another thread)?
settings->applications->manage->all
finf google services framework and clear the data then force quit
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i give it a try.
is it the "google apps" one in applications list?
So it is not the google apps.. i try to update the market to 2.2.6. Search works but download doesnt start at all..
anybody has can hint me about this google framework..
Double post..
I was in the same situation- I also have an NC, 1.1.0, autonootered 3.0.0 and I installed ROM Manager (v3.0.1.0) from the market and used it to install CWM 3.0.0.6 by choosing "Nook Color" rather than "Nook Color (old)" at Flash ClockworkMod Recovery. I then did the reboot before rebooting into recovery and then wiped the cache and tried to wipe the Davlik cache, but every time I chose that it just went back to the same menu without doing anything. I then flashed Dalingrin's OC kernel and it seemed to work fine- SetCPU allowed me to OC up to 1100. BUT I lost access to the Market- everything I tried to install came back "Download Unsuccessful".
I finally, after much reading, removing CWM and reinstalling it 2 or 3 times etc. tried choosing "Nook Color (old)". This installed CWM 3.0.0.5 which DID let me wipe the Davlik cache and then when I installed the OC kernel it worked and I could download from the Market again.
So I would get yourself back to just a rooted nook (using clockwork removal if necessary). Then use ROM Manager to flash the ClockworkMod Recovery, but make sure to choose "Nook Color (old)". Then make sure to reboot (power off and back on you NC) and go to ROM Manager and reboot into recovery. Once there wipe the cache then go to "Advanced" and wipe the Davlik cache (I think this is the crucial part). After this I went ahead and flashed the OC kernel, but you could just reboot and hopefully you'll have access to the Market again like I did.
Good luck!
Clear maket and framework data and cache... It's been posted hundreds of times...
Thank crispian. I will try after work..
riley. >as i day i dont know what is framework cache. I have nothing james like this in app manager
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Clear maket and framework data and cache... It's been posted hundreds of times...
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This method does still does not allow access to all the apps, only more.
Is there a chance that the google framework is missing?
I can see this framework on my phone, not on my nook.. What can i do please?
first thing tonight: i will check if GoogleServicesFramework.apk exists in system/app
Back, tonight was movie night with my girlfirend.. So i didn't played with my nook..
This morning i used rootexplorer to check if there was a GoogleServicesFramework.apk in system/app. It was not.
I tried to disable More locale app (it used to translate the devices texts in french) hope that "google framework" was baddly translated in app list..
Can someone confirm that the "google framework" i'm looking is the "GoogleServicesFramework.apk", and where is it on the nook? If missing, can i just put it with root explorer? Can the "clockwork removal" have beeing a cause on it's vanish?
Next time i have time i will try the Crispian Solution too..
Look for googleframework services in titanium backup. Select it and a little window pops up with options to uninstall and such. There is a button on the right that says wipe data. You can do the same for the Market.
As i said, googleframework service is not in titanium backup list..
I will try the CWR method asap.
grmph, tried to wipe dalvik and partition cache using working recovery.
Didn't work ..
i mean market does not work better..
Gtalk isn't working anymore too..
What if the framework service isnt listed in Manage Applications (all). This is on a rooted nook running stock 1.1.
are you telling that's normal on stock rooted nook 1.1
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are you telling that's normal on stock rooted nook 1.1
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that's not what I am saying. I am saying I cannot install from the market and I don't even see the google framework listed under manage applications with the all filter selected
oh sorry, so you have the same problem ..
As i live in france i don't care about B&N app and shops i consider upgradding to froyo on emmc.. It will resolve my problem i think?
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Same issue here. Color Nook v.1.1 rooted with Autonooter 3.0.0.
Market was working fine, then stopped. Returned to stock, then rerooted. Market worked for 10 apps, then stopped again. Clearing all cache did not fix. No sign of Google Services Framework in app list.
However, I found Download Manager and DownloadAdmin in the apps list and cleared the data for those (cache had already been cleared -- I used Gemini App Mgr for one-button clear-all-cache). Market is now working again.
As the tittle says. I would like some help on getting started with CM9. I haven't done anything all to my touchpad since I got it months ago.
What are some of the bugs CM9 brings along with it? My touchpad is mainly a fun device so I don't mind things not working 100%.
I would like some help on getting started with CM9.
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OK, what exactly do you need help with?
What are some of the bugs CM9 brings along with it?
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All the bugs are listed in the ROM thread. Hardware acceleration still isn't perfect yet. Audio from the speakers and headphones is still a mess. Camera doesn't work. Wifi is still buggy with some devices.
sitlet said:
OK, what exactly do you need help with?
All the bugs are listed in the ROM thread. Hardware acceleration still isn't perfect yet. Audio from the speakers and headphones is still a mess. Camera doesn't work. Wifi is still buggy with some devices.
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Well that makes it sound shoddy, CM9 is perfectly usable, in fact its great, gaming, music and playing HD videos all work great for me, also I've never had any wifi problems.
I would read the CM9 install guide on rootzwiki very carefully and go for it.
Well that makes it sound shoddy, CM9 is perfectly usable, in fact its great, gaming, music and playing HD videos all work great for me, also I've never had any wifi problems.
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Yea I did make it sound kinda bad. For me, cm9 is running perfectly on my TP, minus the audio and camera. The video acceleration has only locked up on me once in a month of use, and I haven't had the wifi problem that some people have. The biggest bug for me is the audio, I would love to be able to listen to music with the screen off to save battery.
So audio works for movies? Thinking of giving it a try later on today.
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jep audio in movies is working fine
and also for me this rom is perfectably useabel, never had wifi problems and mostly everything else also works like a charm, so give it a try i doubt you regred it^^
this sounds silly coming from someone who has CM7 3.5 installed already... but what is Titanium backup?? I don't understand if it's something I have to download, or if it's built in to something? I understand that in order to install CM9 over CM7, that I should have no problems... but that I should back up first. I can do a back up with Clockwork Mod first, then I'm supposed to do a back up of my app's with Titanium ( I read this somewhere). Is this true?
Also, If I have the CM9 zip on my Touchpad already, do I still have to install it by connecting it to my Mac or PC using ACMEINstaller2? If I can update it without having to do that, and it's a better way, then I'm all for it.
I'm also not sure about the gapps files. I gather I'm supposed to update those after I'm done installing CM9 right? I noticed that at one time, someone said to grab the 20120215 one, but now I see there is a 20120301 that is released. Are the most recent releases complete updates to the previous gapps, or do they only include certain apps? In other words, to stay current, do I need to always check for new gapps releases and install them as they come out?
Thanks!
J
but what is Titanium backup??
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It's an app for rooted devices that lets you backup and restore apps, most commonly used for when you switch roms. Yes, you have to download it.
I understand that in order to install CM9 over CM7, that I should have no problems... but that I should back up first. I can do a back up with Clockwork Mod first, then I'm supposed to do a back up of my app's with Titanium ( I read this somewhere). Is this true?
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Titanium backup and Nandroid backups (backups made in CWM) are completely different. Titanium will backup your apps and their settings/save data. For example, if you have Angry Birds, Titanium will also backup the app's data, so your game saves/progess will still be there when you restore it. A nandroid backup is a complete system backup, i.e. an exact copy of your entire system (rom, apps, etc). When switching roms, you should always do BOTH. Do a nandroid just in case the rom doesnt flash properly or something, and backup apps with titanium to save your app data and to make it easier to restore all your apps at once when you get the new rom running.
Also, If I have the CM9 zip on my Touchpad already, do I still have to install it by connecting it to my Mac or PC using ACMEINstaller2? If I can update it without having to do that, and it's a better way, then I'm all for it.
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You can, however I would recommend just flashing in clockworkmod. Backup your apps with Titanium, boot into recovery, make a Nandroid backup, wipe cache/dalvik/data, then flash the rom zip file.
I'm also not sure about the gapps files. I gather I'm supposed to update those after I'm done installing CM9 right?
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Before flashing, put the gapps zip (make sure its the one for cm9 and not for cm7) in the same folder as the rom zip. After following the above instructions and flashing the rom, then you flash the gapps zip, and then reboot, and the rom should load with all the gapps in there
Are the most recent releases complete updates to the previous gapps, or do they only include certain apps?
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I believe the gapps only gives you maps, gmail, and the market. Any other apps like google search, google books, etc, can be downloaded from the market after you get the rom running.
In other words, to stay current, do I need to always check for new gapps releases and install them as they come out?
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No, once you get everything running, the google apps like gmail and maps will be updated through the Market (I guess it's called the Play Store now) like normal. The reason you have to flash the gapps file after flashing the rom, is apps like the market have to be installed as a system app, and that can only be done through flashing with clockwork. After that, everything will update as normal through the Play Store.
Thanks for the info. In doing more research I figured out that I already have an application like Titanium called Astro File Manager. I did a back up with that. I'm sure it's the same thing.
I made a directory called cminstall at mnt/sdcard/ and put the CM9 and Gapps zips in that folder. Should I do that? Or should I leave them in the mnt/sdcard directory? there are some rogue files in that directory, but mostly it contains all of my folders for both WebOS and Andriod.
Sounds like I'm all set then. Just to be clear, I flash the new Rom by browsing to it from within Clockwork Mod?
Thanks!!
Jason
Whatever guide you're following, to me the 2 most important points are always:
1: make a nandroid backup of what you have right now so you can go back to it if you mess something up.
2: Wipe before flashing a new ROM
Both of which should be available from within your recovery..
Also.. while not being mandatory.. checking the checksum of the files you're about to flash can't hurt either..
TitBackup or other app backup tool is useful to restore your apps.. once you boot into your fresh new ROM, but it's *not* a substitute to a nandroid backup in case something goes wrong...
Enjoy
I just realized that I did a "nandriod" backup yesterday and didn't realize that it was a "nandriod" backup! So, now that i know what it is... well... I just know! LOL.
Although, it just errored out and told me to look at the log file. I could have ran out of room. I just tried to read the log file, and I'm not sure what program to open it with? CM Recovery?
And that "wiping" is running the "cache/dalvik/data" thing right? And when it says "wipe", does that mean literally "ERASES EVERYTHING" except of course my WebOS stuff.
Wiping sure sounds scary to me... that's like "losing everything", then messing with having to reinstall it all. All my ebooks that I've converted, etc. Or is that not correct? Essentially, if I do this and my tablet reboots with CM9 on it, will I be looking at what I had before but with CM9 running, or will I have a blank slate i.e. no files, no games/apps, etc. And from there, do I bring my app's back in through a recovery, or do I have to redownload them again?
I'm sorry, but I'm so new to this. Once I get it down, I won't be so nervous about it.
J
Question... Should CM7 or 9 be mixed in with my WebOS files? That always drove me nuts that they were all mixed together. It's hard to keep track of what's what. Those stray files in the root of my directory are all WebOS files. THings I've saved, etc.
Is there not a way to have a folder that contains ONLY the Android OS? Or does it all have to be in mnt/sdcard like it is now for me? Probl not. It all has to go on the root.
EDIT: However, I did notice that there is an "internal" storage of 1gig, and SD Card storage with about 11gigs total. So a 16gig unit in reality is about 12.5gigs. I only have 1.5gigs of space left on my "SD Card".
I wonder why some of my Android apps are in the "internal" storage section and the rest are on the SD card? Shouldn't JUST WebOS stuff be on the internal partition? I'm asking because if I'm going to install CM9, if there is a better way for me to do this, then now would be the time to know!
Thanks!
Jason
boy, I was literally minutes away from pulling the trigger on CM9 when I decided that I had better double check what version of gapps I had. I have "gapps-ICS-20120215". I think that's the right one?
Anyway, over in the CM forum, there are people posting up a storm that they are having rampant reboot issues and are totally stumped as to what is causing it. There could be tons more NOT having the issue too though, so it's hard to say.
Sitlet:
If installing gapps is a once and done process, why do they keep releasing newer gapps files? I was under the impression that it was because only certain apps could run on CM7, and the gapp files being updated were somehow linked to that?
Maybe as apps are updated, they release new gapps for people just now Rooting, so they can have the latest versions of the google apps when they are finished with the ROM update?
Either way, I'm now seriously reconsidering the idea of updating until I get a firm "go for it" from someone. The LAST thing I need is a constant reboot problem.
One more thing... regarding CM7 2.5... in the ADW Launcher section it indicates that I can maybe update themes to something else. is this true? If so, what type of theme/launcher does CM7 3.5 use? There are several different types. I tried this once before and really screwed my OS up. I was very lucky to recover from it.
The gapps file I use on ICS CM9:
http://goo-inside.me/gapps
Latest is 2012-03-04 but yours wouldn't be bad, assuming its just an older version of the ICS gapps and not for GB/CM7
Wiping then flashing a ROM will overwrite /system /data /cache
Thus not including Pictures, books, etc that are stored on the SDcard..
I also assumed you were already on CM7? And have working CWM recovery?
Nandroid backup/restore is from your recovery indeed.
A successful nandroid backup would allow you to restore your current Android ROM to the exact condition that it was when you backed it up.
So even if your new install ends up having reboot issues in say a week, restoring the nandroid backup made today will get you back to exactly what you had today.
(I have nandroid bckups of CM9 and the original stock on my phone and could switch between the two by restoring the appropriate one.)
I have done this process several times on diff. phones but don't have a TouchPad atm, so maybe someone who has can pitch in for the WebOS files part.
EDIT: sitlet's post from March 13th pretty much sums it all up already
yes, I'm running CM7 3.5, and I have done a complete backup both system and apps. I'm literally ready to install CM9 right now, but I need to maybe update my gapps to the one you have. That's all.
Ok... so you clarified the answer to my question. things are so routine w/ you experienced guys, that subtle details get left out when generalizing to the noobs. Which is to say that when you do a complete backup, it backs up the system to LITERALLY what it is at the time of backup. CM7 3.5 with all the apps I'm running, pictures, documents, etc.
So if I then install CM9 and tweak it how I want it, run into problems, do a complete backup, then RESTORE CM7 3.5 from the file, it will return to that state.
Are you saying that no matter what ROM you install, or what backup your restore, that all of your "user files" are always untouched? So, whatever pictures I have taken or whatever while using CM9, after I do a full back up and install say CM7 or something else, those things will remain? So I don't ever have to worry about losing a precious picture or file??
It's all starting to click believe it or not. I'm just trying to get it all sorted out in my mind! THank you so much!
j
For "user files" it depends where they are. Anything in /sdcard should be safe unless there's something else going on for WebOS devices.
Also.. any file picture or not .. saved in /system or /data wouldn't be safe after flashing.. but would also be in a nandroid backup..
And restoring a nandroid of your system won't restore pictures on sdcard if you happen to delete them yourself.
EDIT: Not sure if I'm making any sense..
restoring a nandroid, Wiping, Flashing ROMs, etc won't touch stuff on /sdcard
But these files won't be included in a nandroid backup either..
When you nandroid backup.. the backup file is actually usually saved TO the sdcard..
I figured out that I already have an application like Titanium called Astro File Manager. I did a back up with that. I'm sure it's the same thing.
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It's not. Astro will only backup the apk file for the app, and only if the app isn't protected. Titanium will backup the app, it's data, market link, etc., and will do it for any app, including system apps.
And that "wiping" is running the "cache/dalvik/data" thing right? And when it says "wipe", does that mean literally "ERASES EVERYTHING" except of course my WebOS stuff.
Wiping sure sounds scary to me... that's like "losing everything", then messing with having to reinstall it all. All my ebooks that I've converted, etc. Or is that not correct?
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Wiping cache/data/dalvik will not touch anything on the "sd card". And if you are worried about losing things, that's why you do a nandroid backup and backup apps with Titanium first.
Essentially, if I do this and my tablet reboots with CM9 on it, will I be looking at what I had before but with CM9 running, or will I have a blank slate i.e. no files, no games/apps, etc. And from there, do I bring my app's back in through a recovery, or do I have to redownload them again?
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You will have a fresh install, i.e. no extra apps on it. That's the whole point of wiping the "data" in clockwork. You CAN flash a rom without wiping the data, and all of your apps will still be there, but that is NOT recommended, especially when flashing a completely new rom like cm9. Just backup apps with Titanium, make a nandroid, then wipe everything.
Question... Should CM7 or 9 be mixed in with my WebOS files? That always drove me nuts that they were all mixed together. It's hard to keep track of what's what. Those stray files in the root of my directory are all WebOS files. THings I've saved, etc.
Is there not a way to have a folder that contains ONLY the Android OS?
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This is how it is with the TP. Most android phones/tablets will have an internal memory AND an external SD card, thus being able to separate OS from other data. Since the TP only has one memory, and you are trying to run two OS's, this is the only way to do it.
EDIT: However, I did notice that there is an "internal" storage of 1gig, and SD Card storage with about 11gigs total. So a 16gig unit in reality is about 12.5gigs. I only have 1.5gigs of space left on my "SD Card".
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It's all the same memory, just partitioned differently. And the 16gb of space is actually about 14gb due to blocking in the first place, and the WebOS takes about 2 gb to begin with.
I wonder why some of my Android apps are in the "internal" storage section and the rest are on the SD card? Shouldn't JUST WebOS stuff be on the internal partition?
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Again, your TP ONLY has one 16gb block of memory, where most devices have more than one. It is partitioned to let the android OS think there is a separate internal and external memory, which is how it has to be for android to run. You can move apps to the sd card by going to settings-applications, however, with the TP, again, its the same memory, so you really aren't moving it.
Sitlet:
If installing gapps is a once and done process, why do they keep releasing newer gapps files? I was under the impression that it was because only certain apps could run on CM7, and the gapp files being updated were somehow linked to that?
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The apps like gmail, maps, etc, all get updated regularly though the Market. Thus, once one gets updated, someone will update the gapps zip with the newer version. The reason you HAVE to flash it the first time, is because some of the apps are system apps, and flashing is the ONLY way to get them to work properly. Once they are on your system and installed, you can update regularly through the market. It doesn't matter if you flash an outdated gapps zip, as long as it is one for ICS cm9, and not GB cm7. If the apps are outdated when you flash them, the market should let you update them after your tablet runs for a few minutes and realizes the apps are outdated.
The LAST thing I need is a constant reboot problem.
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As long as you stick with Alpha 2, and NOT the nightlies, you should be fine. I haven't had one reboot in over a month.
Which is to say that when you do a complete backup, it backs up the system to LITERALLY what it is at the time of backup. CM7 3.5 with all the apps I'm running, pictures, documents, etc.
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Again, as I explained earlier, there are two backups you should make. First, use Titanium to backup any apps you want to keep, and their app data. Obviously you can just re-download any app from the market after you flash cm9, but Titanium gives you a one-click way of doing it, thus saving you time. AND Titanium will backup app's data, so if you have a game that you want to save your progress, backing up with Titanium will save that progress.
User files (i.e. anything in the mnt/sdcard folder) will NOT be touched when wiping cache/data/dalvik in clockwork. They will ONLY be lost if you select the option to wipe sd card in clockwork. Again, if you are worried about anything, backup your files to a computer first, which obviously if anything is important to you, you should already have a backup of that data somewhere.
Are you saying that no matter what ROM you install, or what backup your restore, that all of your "user files" are always untouched?
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Yes, unless you specifically tell clockwork to wipe sd card. Any pictures, music, documents that you loaded onto the device via usb automatically go to the sd card partition, and will not be touched when flashing a rom. But again, ALWAYS have a backup of your data just in case something goes wrong.
So I don't ever have to worry about losing a precious picture or file??
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Again, I can't stress this enough: if you have data (pictures or whatever) that are important to you, make a backup somewhere off the device, just in case.
Man, thanks for your patience and sorry about the redundancy.
Everyone seems to talk about Titanium, but I'm hesitant to buy it because I'm getting ready to buy an iPad 3. I tried to use Astro File Manager, but could not figure out how to get it to work properly. I can use it on my phone in my sleep. So, right now I only have a program called literally File Manager v1.1.4 for moving and locating files, or I use Clockwork Recovery for nandroid backups, and Rom Manager app backups (I think.. unless it's backwards). I believe people choose Titanium over Rom Manager correct? or run both? But aren't they both essentially the same?
Anyway... I could literally drag and drop stuff off my tablet to my computer no problem. That's about as fool proof as it gets really. There isn't much on my tablet that I wouldn't care to lose. Maybe some journal notes or unfinished Blog drafts.
I need to ask those people in the CM forum who are having problems if they are updating the nightlies or not. this CM9 reboot problem seems VERY odd and very random... AND a total nightmare. Because once you start having the problems, even going back to CM7 3.5 won't fix it. You're stuck with a rebooting machine until someone figures it out. Have a look:
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/42519-cm9-alpha-2-on-touchpad-device-freeze-and-reboots-randomly/
Man, thanks for your patience and sorry about the redundancy.
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No problem, we were all clueless when we started off with stuff like this.
Everyone seems to talk about Titanium, but I'm hesitant to buy it because I'm getting ready to buy an iPad 3.
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You don't have to buy it, the free version does everything except one-click backup/restores. You can still do backups and restores, but you have to do it app by app. The full app is only a few bucks, but I can understand if you are only going to use it once or twice on this tablet, just go with the free one.
I tried to use Astro File Manager, but could not figure out how to get it to work properly.
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Astro really wasn't made for making backups, and it rarely works. Titanium is an app that everyone uses, and it's really the ONLY app that works every time with every app.
and Rom Manager app backups (I think.. unless it's backwards). I believe people choose Titanium over Rom Manager correct? or run both? But aren't they both essentially the same?
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No, they are not the same. Titanium is just used to backup apps. ROM Manager is used to make nandroid backups, and flash roms without having to use recovery. However, it rarely works correctly, and will likely brick your device. Just stay away from that app. Flash roms and do nandroid backups directly through recovery, that way you wont run into any problems. ROM Manager has been known to brick many devices and cause many problems.
this CM9 reboot problem seems VERY odd and very random... AND a total nightmare.
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It is very random, and I can pretty much guarantee you it's happening because people aren't flashing and wiping correctly. If you look at the people it's happening to, it's people who are new to rooting and flashing. And if you read the main thread for Alpha 2, you rarely see someone with that problem. Again, just stick with the Aplha 2 stable release. The nightlies really are full of bugs, the cm9 team basically will make changes to a rom, and let people who flash the nightlies find the bugs. So unless you really want to be wiping and flashing every night to avoid problems, just stick with Alpha 2, it's VERY stable at the moment.
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Astro really wasn't made for making backups, and it rarely works. Titanium is an app that everyone uses, and it's really the ONLY app that works every time with every app.
Well, I suppose yer right. I mean, I will surely use it for my Thunderbolt phone. But Astro does a pretty good job I think. I'll buy it, what the heck.
No, they are not the same. Titanium is just used to backup apps. ROM Manager is used to make nandroid backups, and flash roms without having to use recovery. However, it rarely works correctly, and will likely brick your device. Just stay away from that app. Flash roms and do nandroid backups directly through recovery, that way you wont run into any problems. ROM Manager has been known to brick many devices and cause many problems.
I'm glad you told me that!! Jeesh!! Does this Rom Manager issue apply to phones too, or just tablets?
It is very random, and I can pretty much guarantee you it's happening because people aren't flashing and wiping correctly. If you look at the people it's happening to, it's people who are new to rooting and flashing. And if you read the main thread for Alpha 2, you rarely see someone with that problem. Again, just stick with the Aplha 2 stable release. The nightlies really are full of bugs, the cm9 team basically will make changes to a rom, and let people who flash the nightlies find the bugs. So unless you really want to be wiping and flashing every night to avoid problems, just stick with Alpha 2, it's VERY stable at the moment.
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Hmmm.... Ok. So you're saying to just go with CM9 Alpha 2 and not worry about it? One thing I haven't nailed down is whether these people with problems are flashing from the nightlies. Have you determined this? My point to them was sorta "there are lots of people who say CM9 is a vast improvement over CM7, yet you guys are having nothing but trouble?" That is curious to me.
I read the thread for the stable release, and it said that I don't need to connect to my PC to do it. I put the ROM and the GAPPS on my card and planned on flashing it through recovery, doing a data wipe, etc. I'm totally backed up and ready to go. I was just hesitant about the reboot issue.
But if all goes well, I'll have an iPad 3 64gig tomorrow morning. So, that will allow me plenty of time to sort out the TP if it goes into reboot hell!
Btw... sorry if I've offended the Android fanboys by buying an iPad... but I'm a fan of BOTH, and the iPad fills a need that Android just can't. I'm a musician. Which is why I'm a Mac user too. However, I do love Android no question.
I have 2 issues that are really starting to tick me off. At first they were just an annoyance, but now... GRRR!!!
1st issue:
Randomly, my D3 will just reboot, and it goes to ROM Manager's Recovery and stays there until I do something. So if this happens at say 3AM, I don't have an alarm clock any more as I get a list to Reboot, Backup/Restore, Update from ZIP, etc.
2nd issue:
Everytime the phone reboots, the same 32 apps are uninstalled. No, not just missing the icon, COMPLETELY uninstalled as reloading the Homescreen DOES NOT load the applications, they are still uninstalled. It also refreezes an app I have to keep unfreezing. Some of the apps are installed to the phone, some are moved off the phone to the media area, some contain no extra data/download.
Things I've tried:
1. Mounting system as RW, reinstalling them all, and rebooting, no luck.
2. Mount system partition, used Permissions Pro to reset all permissions (I don't like some games having to load at boot, I think it's stupid, so I denied them that) and performed step 1 again, no luck.
3. Used ROM Toolbox Pro to fix permissions, and performed step 1 again, no luck.
4. Moved the apps that were in the media area back to the phone, back to the media area, and back to the phone, no luck.
5. Reinstalling and unfreezing and rebooting without doing anything special, no luck.
6. Yelling and screaming at it, as well as threaten it's life, no luck.
7. Begged it to behave, no luck.
Droid 3, Rooted, ROM Manager (with ClockworkMod Recovery), Titanium Backup, a few of the VZW bloatware removed.
I'm willing to do a factory reset, but will I have to re-root? I don't mind losing ClockworkMod Recovery if needed, as I want to safestrap it anyways. I have searched many forums over and over, includling those not for Droid 3 devices, but they all have to do with the app appearing uninstalled, not actually being removed off the phone.
Thanks greatly.
I'm pretty sure you should NOT use rom manager on you d3 to flash anything. Sounds like it might be time to sbf back to stock, reroot and start fresh with safestrap.
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I'm pretty sure you should NOT use rom manager on you d3 to flash anything. Sounds like it might be time to sbf back to stock, reroot and start fresh with safestrap.
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Stock ROM.
if you made changes to settings, removed apks, device is not completely stock anymore
you should restore any stock apps you removed, best way to remove unwanted apps is to freeze with titanium backup pro, and unfreeze if needed
if you can not restore all stock app, made changes to settings, or still doesn't work
flash .xml recovery image, just use correct one, for your device and system version
menu/ system settings/about phone/ system version
if 5.6.890.XT862 use .5.6.890.XT862.xml and rsd lite
if 5.7.906.XT862 use .906 1-click-sbf.exe + tools [10-8-2012]
links in my list
sd_shadow's [Collection] of Links: FAQs, Guides, Rooting, SBFs, ROMs... - Google Docs
SBF and use Safestrap next time.
correct, just install minimoto, or XT861 5.8.25 Stock ROM. Android 2.3.6
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if you made changes to settings, removed apks, device is not completely stock anymore
you should restore any stock apps you removed, best way to remove unwanted apps is to freeze with titanium backup pro, and unfreeze if needed
if you can not restore all stock app, made changes to settings, or still doesn't work
flash .xml recovery image, just use correct one, for your device and system version
menu/ system settings/about phone/ system version
if 5.6.890.XT862 use .5.6.890.XT862.xml and rsd lite
if 5.7.906.XT862 use .906 1-click-sbf.exe + tools [10-8-2012]
links in my list
sd_shadow's [Collection] of Links: FAQs, Guides, Rooting, SBFs, ROMs... - Google Docs
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Thanks! I am on .906, so I'm downloading that huge 450 MB 1click file, but I have a few questions..
1. Do I have to re-root?
2. Is this going to put me back to .890?
3. I can follow the directions here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1872206) to install and use safe strap (the 4th link) even if I don't plan to dual boot?
4. What's the difference between bootstrapper and SafeStrap, or are they the same?
Thanks very much for you help thus far.
before flashing 906 sbf, you may want to back up app/data with titanium backup, texts/call log with sms backup+, confirm contacts are backed up
1. Do I have to re-root?
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yes, use motofail
2. Is this going to put me back to .890?
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yes but I would take update, like recommended by ovelayer
Once you have successfully sbf'd you will have to reinstall the .906 ota. you can accomplish this one of 2 ways
1. Go to settings/about phone/system updates and follow the steps
2. Download the update from this thread push it to your EXTERNAL sdcard boot your phone into STOCK recovery pwr+x choose install update
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3. I can follow the directions here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1872206) to install and use safe strap (the 4th link) even if I don't plan to dual boot?
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use the How to install and use safe strap 3.05 on the droid 3 for true multi booting on ROMs, video in that post
4. What's the difference between bootstrapper and SafeStrap, or are they the same?
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they are similar, with safestap you leave stock rom, custom roms are install differently so you can switch back and forth between reboots
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also ovelayer doesn't cover, wiping data
if phone bootloops, after flashing sbf, try wiping cache in android recovery
Android system recovery <3a>
with device off
hold X & power, when you see triangle, !, & Andy, press both volume buttons
if phone still bootloops go back to android recovery, and wipe data
or save sometime, and wipe data before flashing sbf
So, I did the whole 1-click-sbf thing, activated the phone, didn't install anything yet, but I did update all the system apps (GMail app, Play Store, etc) and everything was good. I also restored my text messages and call history.
I rooted the phone just fine as well.
Then I started to download and install some apps by using the market not my Titanium Backups.
Moved the ones to the Media Area that didn't automatically move.
Rebooted again, and some apps are uninstalled again, but this time, all of them are ones that were moved to SD card, but not all SD moved apps got uninstalled.
So, what I decided to do, is reinstall the missing apps and keep them on the phone to see what happens. The ones that were uninstalling are now staying installed, however, now some that never uninstalled (that are on the SD) are uninstalling themselves. GRR!
So, the last thing I tried is to now reinstall the uninstalled apps, move them back to the phone, and reboot to see what happens now... I finally got around to finishing up this and after this last reboot, NEW applications that never got uninstalled are now uninstalled.
Time for new phone perhaps?
maybe reformat, your sd card?
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maybe reformat, your sd card?
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Internal or External (32 GB MicroSD)?
I formatted internal when I did the1 click thingy.
formatting sd card is different then wiping data in android recovery
wiping data does not touch internal or external sd cards
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formatting sd card is different then wiping data in android recovery
wiping data does not touch internal or external sd cards
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I went to settings, storage, format.
I never did have good success with Titanium.
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I never did have good success with Titanium.
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It may depend on what you are trying to restore
I use the same backups on D2, DX2, and D3
but I don't play games, and use sms backup + for text and call logs
I've never had a problem with tibu, as long as I only use it for user apps.
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Since the topic of this thread isn't about TiBu, let's go back to the original topic....
I got tired of the issue and random apps unintalling, so I removed my external MicroSD, did a factory reset (which didn't un-root, therefore, I didn't have to re-root), formatted the internal SD (Media Area) and went through the setup again, I didn't have to activate again though. I updated all system apps, rebooted. All OK. Installed a few apps, reboot, OK. Moved what I could to the SD, and reboot, all OK. Installed about 20 other apps and reboot, all still OK. Moved what I could to SD, and reboot. 1 app uninstalled itself. Completely removed from applications and reboot. All ok, no further apps uninstalled. Installed about 20 more apps, reboot and all is ok, moved over what I could to media area (internal SD) and reboot. 2 apps were uninstalled, both moved to media area and neither one part of the original 32. Uninstalled both from the applications setting and rebooted. 4 more apps uninstalled, none part of the original 32.
I'm at a loss here...
Does TEC from VZW cover this type of issue? I can un-root the phone and they'd be none the wiser.
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Since the topic of this thread isn't about TiBu, let's go back to the original topic....
I got tired of the issue and random apps unintalling, so I removed my external MicroSD, did a factory reset (which didn't un-root, therefore, I didn't have to re-root), formatted the internal SD (Media Area) and went through the setup again, I didn't have to activate again though. I updated all system apps, rebooted. All OK. Installed a few apps, reboot, OK. Moved what I could to the SD, and reboot, all OK. Installed about 20 other apps and reboot, all still OK. Moved what I could to SD, and reboot. 1 app uninstalled itself. Completely removed from applications and reboot. All ok, no further apps uninstalled. Installed about 20 more apps, reboot and all is ok, moved over what I could to media area (internal SD) and reboot. 2 apps were uninstalled, both moved to media area and neither one part of the original 32. Uninstalled both from the applications setting and rebooted. 4 more apps uninstalled, none part of the original 32.
I'm at a loss here...
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Moving apps to the "media area" is a kludge at best and I avoid it. Every once in a while I check settings->applications to see if any apps snuck their way there, and I move all of them back to internal.
So I wiped the phone again, repeated the whole 1-click file thingy as last time, seems to be going rather smooth this time around. While poking around, I noticed a built-in (and probably bloatware) application not installed. I tried to google it to see what it does, but nothing is really all that clear. The package is called 'com.verizon.permissions.appdirectedsms' and I found it missing through TiBu. However, SMS works just fine.
Anyone able to advise what the package does, or did? I haven't updated to 906 yet, so perhaps it's something new with that and that's why it's missing? Guess I should update first shouldn't I? Ok, I will. I'll update when it's done.
Many, many thanks to all of you!
what do you mean not installed, if its in the system apps folder its installed
not all system apks show up in apps drawer
and titanium may have a different name for it
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