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Difference between MSM7201A & 7206A chipset?

just got issued.
i chat with many guys that using HD. go known that some chipset is MSM7201A, some are MSM7026A. so what's the difference between these two chipsets?
i searched the web and i read something like this Its different from the EU versions, uses the MSM7026A processor with no 3G radio
PS: couldnt find any info about the MSM7026A chipset on qualcomm official website
mine is 7201a

Hi JohnQ,
Seems like the MSM7026A is the "Quartz", the HTC HD plus WiMax for Russia and the YOTA network.
Hope this helped.
Kyril

Question, possibility to upgrade to Kaiser, need advice from Kaiser(tytn2) owners

Hey m8's, sorry if stuped question but i need an answer asap. I've been a htc wizard(branded as TMO MDA) user for long time(about 4 years now?) and now have a chance to upgrade to HTC TYTN2(Kaiser), in the user roms that are available for kaiser is manilla 3D possible, or the same old Manilla 2d? Wizard has only 195mhz processor and m3D was said to need more well kaiser has 400mhz is that enough? Basically trying to see if i should upgrade from otherwise great(never failed me in 4 years and 100's of rom flashes)wizard. Is the CPU overclockable(on wizard i am running it(stable/everyday) at 290mhz(orig 195) thats 150% OC, is 550mhz possible on kaiser(150% oc), if not what the best stable(everyday) oc u got it to? What are other things that i should know about Kaiser?
1) gps
2) more memory
3) 200 mhz faster processor(before oc)
Ty for all that answered and made me make my descision
To mods: sorry if wrong place - please move

Hi,
I'm a new user of Kaiser. The ROM I use (see my sig) is quite stable, although I haven't really task it heavily. The bundled Map King doesn't run on this ROM though.
Unfortunately the chef has stopped development of this ROM, however, many others also cook 3D and stil updating, you can look around.

pesok said:
Hey m8's, sorry if stuped question but i need an answer asap. I've been a htc wizard(branded as TMO MDA) user for long time(about 4 years now?) and now have a chance to upgrade to HTC TYTN2(Kaiser), in the user roms that are available for kaiser is manilla 3D possible, or the same old Manilla 2d? Wizard has only 195mhz processor and m3D was said to need more well kaiser has 400mhz is that enough? Basically trying to see if i should upgrade from otherwise great(never failed me in 4 years and 100's of rom flashes)wizard. Is the CPU overclockable(on wizard i am running it(stable/everyday) at 290mhz(orig 195) thats 150% OC, is 550mhz possible on kaiser(150% oc), if not what the best stable(everyday) oc u got it to? What are other things that i should know about Kaiser?
1) gps
2) more memory
3) 200 mhz faster processor(before oc)
Ty for all that answered and made me make my descision
To mods: sorry if wrong place - please move
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From what I have observed, the Kaiser cannot be overclocked. The Wizard can be overclocked because it is OMAP based, whereas the Kaiser is ARM based.
There are ROMs out there for the Kaiser that use TF3D, but most are TF2D since 3D is better suited for 192dpi screens and a bit more resources than the Kaiser can offer. They are, however, making great strides to make TF3D more suited for the Kaiser.
The only beef I have about the Kaiser is the slide out keyboard. The keys don't press the same as my old 8525 (Hermes). Other than that, I love my phone (until the Touch Pro2 comes out for T-Mobile US).

There is an app that can overclock on the Kaiser, right now I have mine (AT&T Tilt) set to 520mhz , so that should be close enough to 150%. The App is called HTC Performance I believe...

Thread moved - not related to ROM development.
BTW, HTC performance doesn't seem to do much on Kaisers. Here's one discussion on it : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395767
Ta
Dave

ty for all the responces, the lack of oveclocking potential is putting me off i gotta say, i am OC fanatic and thats what drawn me to wizard initially. Will look into htc performance more, anything else anyone else want to ctribute as to what they love/like/hate about their kaisers?

biscuits1978 said:
From what I have observed, the Kaiser cannot be overclocked. The Wizard can be overclocked because it is OMAP based, whereas the Kaiser is ARM based.
There are ROMs out there for the Kaiser that use TF3D, but most are TF2D since 3D is better suited for 192dpi screens and a bit more resources than the Kaiser can offer. They are, however, making great strides to make TF3D more suited for the Kaiser.
The only beef I have about the Kaiser is the slide out keyboard. The keys don't press the same as my old 8525 (Hermes). Other than that, I love my phone (until the Touch Pro2 comes out for T-Mobile US).
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OMAP is an ARM CPU. It's Texas Instruments' branded ARM based CPU. Kaiser uses a Qualcomm branded ARM based CPU...
ARMv5TEJ
ARM926EJ-S
Thumb, Jazelle DBX, Enhanced DSP instructions
variable, TCMs, MMU
220 MIPS @ 200 MHz,
Mobile phones: Sony Ericsson (K, W series); Siemens and Benq (x65 series and newer); Texas Instruments OMAP1710, OMAP1610, OMAP1611, OMAP1612, OMAP-L137; Qualcomm MSM6100, MSM6125, MSM6225, MSM6245, MSM6250, MSM6255A, MSM6260, MSM6275, MSM6280, MSM6300, MSM6500, MSM6800; Freescale i.MX21, i.MX27, Atmel AT91SAM9, NXP Semiconductors LPC3000, GPH Wiz, Marvell Feroceon, NEC C10046F5-211-PN2-A SoC - undocumented core in the ATi Hollywood graphics chip used in the Wii[14].
ARMv6
ARM1136J(F)-S[15]
8-stage pipeline, SIMD, Thumb, Jazelle DBX, (VFP)
variable, MMU
740 @ 532-665 MHz (i.MX31 SoC), 400-528 MHz
Texas Instruments OMAP2420 (Nokia E90, Nokia N93, Nokia N95, Nokia N82), Zune, BUGbase, Nokia N800, Nokia N810, Qualcomm MSM7200 (with integrated ARM926EJ-S [email protected], used in Eten Glofiish, HTC TyTN II, HTC Nike), Freescale i.MX31 (used in the original Zune 30gb and Toshiba Gigabeat S), Freescale MXC300-30 (Nokia E63, Nokia E71, Nokia 5800, Nokia E51, Nokia E75, Nokia N97), Qualcomm MSM7201A as seen in the HTC Dream.
More Info found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture.

alltubetone said:
There is an app that can overclock on the Kaiser, right now I have mine (AT&T Tilt) set to 520mhz , so that should be close enough to 150%. The App is called HTC Performance I believe...
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Htc performace is load of crap and been proved useless and void over and over again for the kaiser by benchmark tests.

If you are on T-mobile in the US, just wait for the Touch Pro 2. It is rumored that T-mo should get it as the "Wing II". It's about time...

I still have my Wizard (iMate KJam). I also ran OMAPclock to overclock it, but stopped this a long time ago. I got my TyTN II (Kaiser) last January (2008) and still going strong with original stock rom. I have just customised mine with Spb Mobile shell which, imho, is way better than any form of manilla, and it is fully touch AND D-Pad usable. I have v2.1.5 with the Spb MS Fast Customiser found on this forum somewhere.
It is like night and day switching from the wizard to the kaiser. You won't be sorry.

qualcomm chipset isn't good????

hi....
im highly keen on gettin the diamond2 when it comes out (due to the guaranteed free upgrade to 6.5, and for under £400 there isn't much else that rivals it (correct me on this tho if i'm unaware of any rivals!))
BUT. doing research on the chipset i've heard and seen all sorts of posts about bad drivers for the qualcomm chipset that was used in the first touch diamond, about how the video performance was terrible, and how they underperformed compared to much older chips!
So........does anyone know whether the video performance of this diamond2 will be better/whether HTC have fixed these issues/whether the qualcomm chipset in the diamond2 is different to the one in the 1st diamond, or if its been updated or what?
basically.......is the phone going to work as expected! i currently have an ipaq 614c with an intel chipset, PXA270. I mean...is the qualcomm chipset in the diamond2 better??
iv'e also heard that the htc touch HD solved a lot of the problems or something because it had better drivers? if this is true.............the specs on the htc website show the touchHD as having a Qualcomm MSM 7201A. Whereas the Htc touch diamond2 has a Qualcomm MSM 7200A. Now..........whats the difference. Is the 7201A the decent correct chipset with good video performance (if all of the above is true), and the 7200 the crappy one??
until i have answers to all these questions.....i won't be able to focus on university

I think the 7201A is the a 7200 with certain features that would infrnge some US patents deactiviated.
Could be wrong?

The MSM7201A is just like the MSM7200, Graphics wise. Only difference is that HTC adds a "driver" for their so-called 3D...
Look into the Blackstone forums to see for yourself about the performance of the MSM7201A chipset. Then decide if you're still going to buy it. (I wouldn't, although i've got a Blackstone)

no MSM7200a is the world version
which include the ability to recoard vga at 30fps and the world 3g frequescies
MSM7201A is the american version which don't include the 30fps video capture because of a patent by broadcom and it use the american 3g frequescies
this is pure chip hardware and dont have anything to do with what
drivers htc provide

Rudegar said:
no MSM7200a is the world version
which include the ability to recoard vga at 30fps and the world 3g frequescies
MSM7201A is the american version which don't include the 30fps video capture because of a patent by broadcom and it use the american 3g frequescies
this is pure chip hardware and dont have anything to do with what
drivers htc provide
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Hmm I live in France, bought a Touch HD, and got a MSM7201a chipste on my device from Orange France. Nothing related to the american market here.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can do 3G with my phone so...

The last a in MSM7201a and MSM7200a indicates that it's a 528 MHz version, without a it's 400 MHz. I've read that HTC went back to the MSM7200a version because of the poor video recording performance on the MSM7201a chip. So, I guess it may be older, but it's better. That's why both the D2 and the Pro2 get that one.

I guess the chipset could be allright. But HTC hasn't been all that good in providing proper drivers (so it seems).
Although I'm beginning to wonder if the Qualcomm chipsets are actually able to do good 2d and 3d graphics.
For example, when comparing it to a Samsung Omnia with a 624mhz Marvell it's really a world of difference. Ofcourse the Omnia has a smaller resolution (wqvga instead of vga) but it's much much faster than my Diamond (in about everything).
Especially when playing a movie or something with quite a high resolution (divx for example). It's much faster than the Diamond, and usually plays everything without any problem. Even compared to a Diamond with Coreplayer (for the Qualcomm video support).
So.. in short. I would not quite put all my hope on HTC delivering some magical drivers which increase performance a lot.
I rather think the Diamond2 will be much like the original Diamond. But with extra software features like a new TouchFLO 3D and some extra/other hardware features.
Looking at HTC's track record I doubt 'new high performance qualcomm drivers' is not one of the new software features.
edit: Btw, obviously don't take my word on this. I'd say if you are interested in a Diamond2, wait for it to be available and give it a nice test run. Check it out for yourself and see if you like it and think the speed is good enough for you. In the end that's all what counts, if you are happy with your/the device or not!

Like you said , the Omnia is only 400x240 with a CPU clocked 100mhz higher. The msm7201a in the diamond is running slower and has to push X2.74 more pixels! (and 3x more on the wvga phones). it has nothing to do with drivers (the majority doesn't seem to understand that) now regarding video perf that's another story. Coreplayer support HW accel on the Omnia (PXA cpu) but not on the Qualcomm chips (the Qtv mode is only a hack to accel DDdraw overlay) Only
WMP/HTc album support HW accel (and only on MP4 files).

I'm certainly not expecting any dramatic speed enhancements from the D2. And like I said, the difference between the 00 and the 01 is, as I read elsewhere, the video recording speed, not the playback.

Take a look here
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp
Clearly HTC devices for some reason perform worse than 3 year old devices. These new devices will be no different as they are based on the same hardware. HTC are a joke.

So whats a good handy with good 2D/3D performance and Windows Mobile on it?

So...
Moby2kBug said:
So whats a good handy with good 2D/3D performance and Windows Mobile on it?
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I think the toshiba G01 with an 1Ghz Snapdragon CPU,
the HTC "Superstar" with Nvidia chipset
the HTC "Star" with Snapdragon CPU
the Acer F1 with an 800Mhz Snapdragon CPU and an ATI co-processor
Add if I missed one
All of them should run 3D-games etc. well
I would take the F1 from Acer, because it's sleek and elegant designed and only priced at 560€.
take a look: http://translate.google.com/transla...apdragon-cpu.html&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0=

I've been playing around with Coreplayer by watching TV programs recorded by Vista media centre from a network share. It plays the video at 31 fps and looks absolutely stunning.
Also, screen rotation from landscape to portrait is instantaneous.
I am not too worried about the chipset when I see this performance.

It records video in VGA no problems and plays back no problem - to me, it has no problem with Video

From what I have read the difference between the 7201a and the 7200a is the fab process: 90 vs 65. So the 7201a should be slightly more power efficient (although if it is only the CPU I don't know what the net difference will be).
Why they switched is a mystery. At first I assumed that it was related to their supply side situation: They have plants that can build 7200a and rather than revampt them, they released a few devices that use the 7200a rather than the 7201a.

Ingore that one - the Topaz and Rhodium each have the 7201a. The 7200a was a typo.

pidsw said:
From what I have read the difference between the 7201a and the 7200a is the fab process: 90 vs 65.
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Nope That's what the "a" is for:
7200/7201 (not sure it exists): 90 nm process
7200a/7201a: 65 nm process
the 7201(if it exists)/7201a peculiarity is really due to a US patent. and this peculiarity is a downgrade...So if you have the choice between a 7200 and 7201, pick the 7200 if video recording is important to you, else pick randomly (or the cheaper ;-) ).

Whilst it may not be the fastest device in the world, for a 'Joke' company the reviews of the touch diamond2 are pretty good wouldnt you say?
Its a phone by the way!
PS. My touch diamond 2 has the 7200a, it says so in the 'Device information'

I don't have performance problems....movies in full DVD resolution are playing smooth, GPS lag isn't present, as on TD1...so I am copmpletely satisfied..

Actually speaking of GPS, it seems to work much much better on the TD2 than any others i have tried it against (kaiser/touch pro 2) I actually have close to full reception in buildings that the others wouldnt pick up on.
Video playback works great in media player with .mp4 files.
And the whole thing is just really responsive and fast at a stock rom vs the kaiser and touch pro 2.

7201A vs. 7200A

Hi, I am just wondering, new Diamond 2 has 7200A CPU, but Diamond has 7201A CPU. I heard that 7200A has VGA video recording option, but is there some other difference? Like is 7200A faster in other thigs? Can it play videos faster than 7201A?

i think u are mistaken about diamond 2 cpu
diamond 2 still use msm 7201A
and msm 72xxA family still sucks when it comes to playing video
htc doesn't want to deliver the full potential of msm 72xxA cpu
its just my opinion though....
sorry 4 my bad english

albert_betet said:
i think u are mistaken about diamond 2 cpu
diamond 2 still use msm 7201A
and msm 72xxA family still sucks when it comes to playing video
htc doesn't want to deliver the full potential of msm 72xxA cpu
its just my opinion though....
sorry 4 my bad english
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Check the facts before you post. You are discrediting yourself. Diamond 2 does come with 7200A while Diamond comes with 7201A processor.
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/touchdiamond2/specification.html
http://www.htc.com/au/product/touchdiamond/specification.html

7200A is 90nm
7201A is 65nm

Is cheaper, may be preferred.
Because Diamond2, will be cheaper than Diamond.

albert_betet said:
and msm 72xxA family still sucks when it comes to playing video
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I agree to a degree but it seems like they've at least added hardware acceleration for MP4 video via media player... It handles MP4 video very well...

Lord_BlackAdder said:
Check the facts before you post. You are discrediting yourself. Diamond 2 does come with 7200A while Diamond comes with 7201A processor.
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/touchdiamond2/specification.html
http://www.htc.com/au/product/touchdiamond/specification.html
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sorry
but in my region(SEA)
several days ago i checked the specs and it come with msm7201A!!!!
and today i checked again it revised to msm7200A??
weird
and i check the data in SEA region not europe,
maybe the sea region of htc post a little mislead about diamond 2 cpu specs
i dunno about that

owziee said:
I agree to a degree but it seems like they've at least added hardware acceleration for MP4 video via media player... It handles MP4 video very well...
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yeah
fortunately there is a converter for diamond hd and it works like a charm with diamond
but i think diamond with wm player(or core player) should play all kind of video file(not hd though) without lag out of the box(without converter)
because there is ati gpu in there and 64mb reversed for graphical process
and the cpu is strong enough(i think.....) to handle the process
or maybe because WinMO doesn't like msm72xxA family?

Qualcomm MSM7200A & MSM7600 Differences?

Hello,
what are the differences between the two Chipsets in the Rhodium and the Rhodium W?
Thanks!

chris.computerfreak said:
Hello,
what are the differences between the two Chipsets in the Rhodium and the Rhodium W?
Thanks!
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I guess the MSM7600 is CDMA whilst the MSM7200 is GSM?
EDIT:
MSM7200 is GSM only
MSM7600 is GSM/CDMA dualmode, which would explain why the Sprint Rhodium FCC listing says it's got GSM disabled...
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7600&c=qualcomm_msm7600
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200&c=qualcomm_msm7200

The AT&T GSM band version says: MSM7201a
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/photos/htcs-warhawk-and-fortress-are-atandts-touch-diamond2-and-pro2/2032864/

I really fancy a TP2 and I may be reading this completely wrongly, but . . .
my Touch Diamond has a MSM7201A processor which is newer than the processor in the TP2 and is 65nm technology, whereas the MSM7200A is 90nm
Have HTC done some form of tweaking to give better performance from the TP2 because if not it doesn't sound like a considerable upgrade on what I have now

utvol06 said:
The AT&T GSM band version says: MSM7201a
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/photos/htcs-warhawk-and-fortress-are-atandts-touch-diamond2-and-pro2/2032864/
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Look at that link, the last sentence at the bottom in red...
"WM 7.x refresh awarded with Sept 09 launch date"
This is exciting me. Is this hinting for Windows Mobile 7 this year September?

stunno said:
I really fancy a TP2 and I may be reading this completely wrongly, but . . .
my Touch Diamond has a MSM7201A processor which is newer than the processor in the TP2 and is 65nm technology, whereas the MSM7200A is 90nm
Have HTC done some form of tweaking to give better performance from the TP2 because if not it doesn't sound like a considerable upgrade on what I have now
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MSM7201A is not newer than MSM7200A. They are the same generation processor. non-A is 90nm, A is 65nm. 0 is original chip, 1 is with patent workaround. 0 outperforms 1, patent workaround introduced some performance issues.
Laymans term, 7200A is 65nm and faster than 7201A.
TP2 = much faster than TP (probably mostly related to tweaks we had in our custom ROMs anyways, and faster flash and ram chips).
Why do I need to keep telling people this....
LilGBlood said:
Look at that link, the last sentence at the bottom in red...
"WM 7.x refresh awarded with Sept 09 launch date"
This is exciting me. Is this hinting for Windows Mobile 7 this year September?
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This is a typo, should be WM 6.x refresh, i.e. 6.5, which has been said to be released on actual phones in September for ages now.

By patent workarounds, may I hopefully assume it's concerning the hardware video acceleration part? If so, may I also hopefully assume the TP2 has some built in use of that part of the chipset??? Please.... My old HD is getting wore out and I need an excuse to upgrade
Thanks Chainfire... many respects...
Chainfire said:
...0 is original chip, 1 is with patent workaround. 0 outperforms 1, patent workaround introduced some performance issues.
Laymans term, 7200A is 65nm and faster than 7201A.
TP2 = much faster than TP ...
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SomethingWicked said:
By patent workarounds, may I hopefully assume it's concerning the hardware video acceleration part? If so, may I also hopefully assume the TP2 has some built in use of that part of the chipset??? Please.... My old HD is getting wore out and I need an excuse to upgrade
Thanks Chainfire... many respects...
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The patent issue AFAIK only has to do with some 3G stuff (I don't know how this relates to the performance issues of the 1 variant, though, I know there is something with that). Still TP2 does have HW 3D video - but so do the Diamond, TP, HD, and Diam2. The TP2 (and TD2) is noticably faster than the HD, though.

Chainfire said:
The patent issue AFAIK only has to do with some 3G stuff (I don't know how this relates to the performance issues of the 1 variant, though, I know there is something with that). Still TP2 does have HW 3D video - but so do the Diamond, TP, HD, and Diam2. The TP2 (and TD2) is noticably faster than the HD, though.
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Actually, it would have been better if you could put some references about your comments. Especially this one: "Laymans term, 7200A is 65nm and faster than 7201A."
It seems you're right about patent issue (though it is hard to find anything about that), I found this site: http://www.scribd.com/doc/2140146/tag1202114pagenews1tQualcomm-Launches-UMTS-Chipsetsd578, which says:
" In December 2007, US federal judge issued an injunction against Qualcomm for infringement of three Broadcom patents and ordered it to stop selling 3G wideband code division multiple access (WCDMA) cellular chips that breach Broadcom patents. The company has launched the mobile station modem (MSM) 6271, MSM6281, MSM7201 and MSM7201A chipsets in the US. According to the company, the new chipsets are pin- and software-compatible with the existing product versions for easy transition. "
So if the site i'm referecing is reliable, then you're right about this.
But where did you get the info about the 65nm? Could you give us some references? The only site I found (where the size is mentioned) is this: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a&c=qualcomm_msm7200a and it says it is 90nm.
What's more interesting that on this site: http://www.qctconnect.com/products/msm_7201.html#Technical Features It says: "Qcamcorder™: Record up to 24 fps QVGA"
Meanwile here: http://pdfserv.datasheetpro.net/QUALCOMM/msm7200a_chipset.pdf
"Qcamcorder™ Encoder
• A real-time wireless video recording solution that captures movies at 30 fps WVGA"
(this datasheet - by the way - mentions lots of interesting infos)

mydexterid said:
Actually, it would have been better ...
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Perhaps if you asked nicely. And even then I'm inclined to tell you to UTFS (it's not like this is "new" information)
EDIT: BTW, seems I didn't mention it in this thread - I did in another - it does indeed seem that the US TP2 (non-Sprint, which will use MSM7600 series) is MSM7201A, while the EU (and possibly Asia) versions use MSM7200A.

Did you guys forget Xperia X1? It also uses the same processor like the Touch Pro2.
A thread like this has been discussed in X1 forum. Sadly, it seemed like X1 has the worse performance of them all...

netsurfz said:
Did you guys forget Xperia X1? It also uses the same processor like the Touch Pro2.
A thread like this has been discussed in X1 forum. Sadly, it seemed like X1 has the worse performance of them all...
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Most of the performance gains are due to faster RAM/Flash ICs, not the processor.

Chainfire said:
Perhaps if you asked nicely. And even then I'm inclined to tell you to UTFS (it's not like this is "new" information)
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Yeah.. what I expected.. Layman...

Chainfire said:
Perhaps if you asked nicely. And even then I'm inclined to tell you to UTFS (it's not like this is "new" information)
EDIT: BTW, seems I didn't mention it in this thread - I did in another - it does indeed seem that the US TP2 (non-Sprint, which will use MSM7600 series) is MSM7201A, while the EU (and possibly Asia) versions use MSM7200A.
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And in just a few short hours i'll have mine in my grubby lil hands hehehe....
GOT TO GET ME DAT ANDROID NOW
[and its sprint - yey yey new cpu]
btw found some interesting things here:
http://www.datasheetpro.com/node/50272
gives some details on the 7600 chipset - very nice diagrams and whatnot