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Any known difference between our lil kaiser chipset and the chipset quoted here:
"32bit Qualcomm MSM7200 (Chipset) @ 528MHz"
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdamaster&posted=1&cpu=a7200
Heck, htc uses it on the Omni...
I´d like to have a Xcpuscalar to Qualcomm´s... it would be great..!!!
what does thi has to see with ROM deveopment?Noob should have placed it in General section.
hi....
im highly keen on gettin the diamond2 when it comes out (due to the guaranteed free upgrade to 6.5, and for under £400 there isn't much else that rivals it (correct me on this tho if i'm unaware of any rivals!))
BUT. doing research on the chipset i've heard and seen all sorts of posts about bad drivers for the qualcomm chipset that was used in the first touch diamond, about how the video performance was terrible, and how they underperformed compared to much older chips!
So........does anyone know whether the video performance of this diamond2 will be better/whether HTC have fixed these issues/whether the qualcomm chipset in the diamond2 is different to the one in the 1st diamond, or if its been updated or what?
basically.......is the phone going to work as expected! i currently have an ipaq 614c with an intel chipset, PXA270. I mean...is the qualcomm chipset in the diamond2 better??
iv'e also heard that the htc touch HD solved a lot of the problems or something because it had better drivers? if this is true.............the specs on the htc website show the touchHD as having a Qualcomm MSM 7201A. Whereas the Htc touch diamond2 has a Qualcomm MSM 7200A. Now..........whats the difference. Is the 7201A the decent correct chipset with good video performance (if all of the above is true), and the 7200 the crappy one??
until i have answers to all these questions.....i won't be able to focus on university
I think the 7201A is the a 7200 with certain features that would infrnge some US patents deactiviated.
Could be wrong?
The MSM7201A is just like the MSM7200, Graphics wise. Only difference is that HTC adds a "driver" for their so-called 3D...
Look into the Blackstone forums to see for yourself about the performance of the MSM7201A chipset. Then decide if you're still going to buy it. (I wouldn't, although i've got a Blackstone)
no MSM7200a is the world version
which include the ability to recoard vga at 30fps and the world 3g frequescies
MSM7201A is the american version which don't include the 30fps video capture because of a patent by broadcom and it use the american 3g frequescies
this is pure chip hardware and dont have anything to do with what
drivers htc provide
Rudegar said:
no MSM7200a is the world version
which include the ability to recoard vga at 30fps and the world 3g frequescies
MSM7201A is the american version which don't include the 30fps video capture because of a patent by broadcom and it use the american 3g frequescies
this is pure chip hardware and dont have anything to do with what
drivers htc provide
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Hmm I live in France, bought a Touch HD, and got a MSM7201a chipste on my device from Orange France. Nothing related to the american market here.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can do 3G with my phone so...
The last a in MSM7201a and MSM7200a indicates that it's a 528 MHz version, without a it's 400 MHz. I've read that HTC went back to the MSM7200a version because of the poor video recording performance on the MSM7201a chip. So, I guess it may be older, but it's better. That's why both the D2 and the Pro2 get that one.
I guess the chipset could be allright. But HTC hasn't been all that good in providing proper drivers (so it seems).
Although I'm beginning to wonder if the Qualcomm chipsets are actually able to do good 2d and 3d graphics.
For example, when comparing it to a Samsung Omnia with a 624mhz Marvell it's really a world of difference. Ofcourse the Omnia has a smaller resolution (wqvga instead of vga) but it's much much faster than my Diamond (in about everything).
Especially when playing a movie or something with quite a high resolution (divx for example). It's much faster than the Diamond, and usually plays everything without any problem. Even compared to a Diamond with Coreplayer (for the Qualcomm video support).
So.. in short. I would not quite put all my hope on HTC delivering some magical drivers which increase performance a lot.
I rather think the Diamond2 will be much like the original Diamond. But with extra software features like a new TouchFLO 3D and some extra/other hardware features.
Looking at HTC's track record I doubt 'new high performance qualcomm drivers' is not one of the new software features.
edit: Btw, obviously don't take my word on this. I'd say if you are interested in a Diamond2, wait for it to be available and give it a nice test run. Check it out for yourself and see if you like it and think the speed is good enough for you. In the end that's all what counts, if you are happy with your/the device or not!
Like you said , the Omnia is only 400x240 with a CPU clocked 100mhz higher. The msm7201a in the diamond is running slower and has to push X2.74 more pixels! (and 3x more on the wvga phones). it has nothing to do with drivers (the majority doesn't seem to understand that) now regarding video perf that's another story. Coreplayer support HW accel on the Omnia (PXA cpu) but not on the Qualcomm chips (the Qtv mode is only a hack to accel DDdraw overlay) Only
WMP/HTc album support HW accel (and only on MP4 files).
I'm certainly not expecting any dramatic speed enhancements from the D2. And like I said, the difference between the 00 and the 01 is, as I read elsewhere, the video recording speed, not the playback.
Take a look here
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp
Clearly HTC devices for some reason perform worse than 3 year old devices. These new devices will be no different as they are based on the same hardware. HTC are a joke.
So whats a good handy with good 2D/3D performance and Windows Mobile on it?
So...
Moby2kBug said:
So whats a good handy with good 2D/3D performance and Windows Mobile on it?
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I think the toshiba G01 with an 1Ghz Snapdragon CPU,
the HTC "Superstar" with Nvidia chipset
the HTC "Star" with Snapdragon CPU
the Acer F1 with an 800Mhz Snapdragon CPU and an ATI co-processor
Add if I missed one
All of them should run 3D-games etc. well
I would take the F1 from Acer, because it's sleek and elegant designed and only priced at 560€.
take a look: http://translate.google.com/transla...apdragon-cpu.html&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0=
I've been playing around with Coreplayer by watching TV programs recorded by Vista media centre from a network share. It plays the video at 31 fps and looks absolutely stunning.
Also, screen rotation from landscape to portrait is instantaneous.
I am not too worried about the chipset when I see this performance.
It records video in VGA no problems and plays back no problem - to me, it has no problem with Video
From what I have read the difference between the 7201a and the 7200a is the fab process: 90 vs 65. So the 7201a should be slightly more power efficient (although if it is only the CPU I don't know what the net difference will be).
Why they switched is a mystery. At first I assumed that it was related to their supply side situation: They have plants that can build 7200a and rather than revampt them, they released a few devices that use the 7200a rather than the 7201a.
Ingore that one - the Topaz and Rhodium each have the 7201a. The 7200a was a typo.
pidsw said:
From what I have read the difference between the 7201a and the 7200a is the fab process: 90 vs 65.
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Nope That's what the "a" is for:
7200/7201 (not sure it exists): 90 nm process
7200a/7201a: 65 nm process
the 7201(if it exists)/7201a peculiarity is really due to a US patent. and this peculiarity is a downgrade...So if you have the choice between a 7200 and 7201, pick the 7200 if video recording is important to you, else pick randomly (or the cheaper ;-) ).
Whilst it may not be the fastest device in the world, for a 'Joke' company the reviews of the touch diamond2 are pretty good wouldnt you say?
Its a phone by the way!
PS. My touch diamond 2 has the 7200a, it says so in the 'Device information'
I don't have performance problems....movies in full DVD resolution are playing smooth, GPS lag isn't present, as on TD1...so I am copmpletely satisfied..
Actually speaking of GPS, it seems to work much much better on the TD2 than any others i have tried it against (kaiser/touch pro 2) I actually have close to full reception in buildings that the others wouldnt pick up on.
Video playback works great in media player with .mp4 files.
And the whole thing is just really responsive and fast at a stock rom vs the kaiser and touch pro 2.
Hello,
what are the differences between the two Chipsets in the Rhodium and the Rhodium W?
Thanks!
chris.computerfreak said:
Hello,
what are the differences between the two Chipsets in the Rhodium and the Rhodium W?
Thanks!
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I guess the MSM7600 is CDMA whilst the MSM7200 is GSM?
EDIT:
MSM7200 is GSM only
MSM7600 is GSM/CDMA dualmode, which would explain why the Sprint Rhodium FCC listing says it's got GSM disabled...
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7600&c=qualcomm_msm7600
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200&c=qualcomm_msm7200
The AT&T GSM band version says: MSM7201a
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/photos/htcs-warhawk-and-fortress-are-atandts-touch-diamond2-and-pro2/2032864/
I really fancy a TP2 and I may be reading this completely wrongly, but . . .
my Touch Diamond has a MSM7201A processor which is newer than the processor in the TP2 and is 65nm technology, whereas the MSM7200A is 90nm
Have HTC done some form of tweaking to give better performance from the TP2 because if not it doesn't sound like a considerable upgrade on what I have now
utvol06 said:
The AT&T GSM band version says: MSM7201a
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/photos/htcs-warhawk-and-fortress-are-atandts-touch-diamond2-and-pro2/2032864/
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Look at that link, the last sentence at the bottom in red...
"WM 7.x refresh awarded with Sept 09 launch date"
This is exciting me. Is this hinting for Windows Mobile 7 this year September?
stunno said:
I really fancy a TP2 and I may be reading this completely wrongly, but . . .
my Touch Diamond has a MSM7201A processor which is newer than the processor in the TP2 and is 65nm technology, whereas the MSM7200A is 90nm
Have HTC done some form of tweaking to give better performance from the TP2 because if not it doesn't sound like a considerable upgrade on what I have now
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MSM7201A is not newer than MSM7200A. They are the same generation processor. non-A is 90nm, A is 65nm. 0 is original chip, 1 is with patent workaround. 0 outperforms 1, patent workaround introduced some performance issues.
Laymans term, 7200A is 65nm and faster than 7201A.
TP2 = much faster than TP (probably mostly related to tweaks we had in our custom ROMs anyways, and faster flash and ram chips).
Why do I need to keep telling people this....
LilGBlood said:
Look at that link, the last sentence at the bottom in red...
"WM 7.x refresh awarded with Sept 09 launch date"
This is exciting me. Is this hinting for Windows Mobile 7 this year September?
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This is a typo, should be WM 6.x refresh, i.e. 6.5, which has been said to be released on actual phones in September for ages now.
By patent workarounds, may I hopefully assume it's concerning the hardware video acceleration part? If so, may I also hopefully assume the TP2 has some built in use of that part of the chipset??? Please.... My old HD is getting wore out and I need an excuse to upgrade
Thanks Chainfire... many respects...
Chainfire said:
...0 is original chip, 1 is with patent workaround. 0 outperforms 1, patent workaround introduced some performance issues.
Laymans term, 7200A is 65nm and faster than 7201A.
TP2 = much faster than TP ...
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SomethingWicked said:
By patent workarounds, may I hopefully assume it's concerning the hardware video acceleration part? If so, may I also hopefully assume the TP2 has some built in use of that part of the chipset??? Please.... My old HD is getting wore out and I need an excuse to upgrade
Thanks Chainfire... many respects...
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The patent issue AFAIK only has to do with some 3G stuff (I don't know how this relates to the performance issues of the 1 variant, though, I know there is something with that). Still TP2 does have HW 3D video - but so do the Diamond, TP, HD, and Diam2. The TP2 (and TD2) is noticably faster than the HD, though.
Chainfire said:
The patent issue AFAIK only has to do with some 3G stuff (I don't know how this relates to the performance issues of the 1 variant, though, I know there is something with that). Still TP2 does have HW 3D video - but so do the Diamond, TP, HD, and Diam2. The TP2 (and TD2) is noticably faster than the HD, though.
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Actually, it would have been better if you could put some references about your comments. Especially this one: "Laymans term, 7200A is 65nm and faster than 7201A."
It seems you're right about patent issue (though it is hard to find anything about that), I found this site: http://www.scribd.com/doc/2140146/tag1202114pagenews1tQualcomm-Launches-UMTS-Chipsetsd578, which says:
" In December 2007, US federal judge issued an injunction against Qualcomm for infringement of three Broadcom patents and ordered it to stop selling 3G wideband code division multiple access (WCDMA) cellular chips that breach Broadcom patents. The company has launched the mobile station modem (MSM) 6271, MSM6281, MSM7201 and MSM7201A chipsets in the US. According to the company, the new chipsets are pin- and software-compatible with the existing product versions for easy transition. "
So if the site i'm referecing is reliable, then you're right about this.
But where did you get the info about the 65nm? Could you give us some references? The only site I found (where the size is mentioned) is this: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a&c=qualcomm_msm7200a and it says it is 90nm.
What's more interesting that on this site: http://www.qctconnect.com/products/msm_7201.html#Technical Features It says: "Qcamcorder™: Record up to 24 fps QVGA"
Meanwile here: http://pdfserv.datasheetpro.net/QUALCOMM/msm7200a_chipset.pdf
"Qcamcorder™ Encoder
• A real-time wireless video recording solution that captures movies at 30 fps WVGA"
(this datasheet - by the way - mentions lots of interesting infos)
mydexterid said:
Actually, it would have been better ...
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Perhaps if you asked nicely. And even then I'm inclined to tell you to UTFS (it's not like this is "new" information)
EDIT: BTW, seems I didn't mention it in this thread - I did in another - it does indeed seem that the US TP2 (non-Sprint, which will use MSM7600 series) is MSM7201A, while the EU (and possibly Asia) versions use MSM7200A.
Did you guys forget Xperia X1? It also uses the same processor like the Touch Pro2.
A thread like this has been discussed in X1 forum. Sadly, it seemed like X1 has the worse performance of them all...
netsurfz said:
Did you guys forget Xperia X1? It also uses the same processor like the Touch Pro2.
A thread like this has been discussed in X1 forum. Sadly, it seemed like X1 has the worse performance of them all...
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Most of the performance gains are due to faster RAM/Flash ICs, not the processor.
Chainfire said:
Perhaps if you asked nicely. And even then I'm inclined to tell you to UTFS (it's not like this is "new" information)
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Yeah.. what I expected.. Layman...
Chainfire said:
Perhaps if you asked nicely. And even then I'm inclined to tell you to UTFS (it's not like this is "new" information)
EDIT: BTW, seems I didn't mention it in this thread - I did in another - it does indeed seem that the US TP2 (non-Sprint, which will use MSM7600 series) is MSM7201A, while the EU (and possibly Asia) versions use MSM7200A.
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And in just a few short hours i'll have mine in my grubby lil hands hehehe....
GOT TO GET ME DAT ANDROID NOW
[and its sprint - yey yey new cpu]
btw found some interesting things here:
http://www.datasheetpro.com/node/50272
gives some details on the 7600 chipset - very nice diagrams and whatnot
can any one xtract videodriver from at&t tilit 2 touch pro 2 as it has same processor 7201a but it is 2x faster my theared was closed i don't know why was about drivers from touchpro 2 to be extracted but they told me that it has diffrent processor but touch pro 2 at&t tilt2 has same processor so let's continue
i think if you ask in the touch pro 2 forum, youre more likely to get a response as youll probably find more people with a touch pro 2 there
be sure to keep us posted though.
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can any one xtract videodriver from at&t tilit 2 touch pro 2 as it has same processor 7201a but it is 2x faster my theared was closed i don't know why was about drivers from touchpro 2 to be extracted but they told me that it has diffrent processor but touch pro 2 at&t tilt2 has same processor so let's continue
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Touch Pro 2 = AT&T Tilt, the same phone, but branded and styled differently for AT&T.
The specs for Touch Pro clearly show on the HTC website as HTC Processor Qualcomm® MSM7200A™, 528 MHz
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/specification.html
And the HD shows Processor Qualcomm® MSM 7201A™ 528 MHz
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchhd/specification.html
I think someone already pointed this out to you on the second page of your last thread, which was why I think the thread was closed.
xmsnx said:
Touch Pro 2 = AT&T Tilt, the same phone, but branded and styled differently for AT&T.
The specs for Touch Pro clearly show on the HTC website as HTC Processor Qualcomm® MSM7200A™, 528 MHz
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/specification.html
And the HD shows Processor Qualcomm® MSM 7201A™ 528 MHz
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchhd/specification.html
I think someone already pointed this out to you on the second page of your last thread, which was why I think the thread was closed.
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this is of the at&t tilit it is like our hd and here is its spicifications http://www.htc.com/us/products/tilt-2-att#tech-specs
My mistake, you're absolutely right,, sorry
well i whas partisipating in the other thread to about the chipset driver
but if the at&t tilt2 is the tp2 from america and also has the 7201a proc maybe we can try the chipset driver from the tilt2 to poort to the hd
if the tilt2 is as snappy as the dutch one
(wonder why america ueses a different proc)
miniterror said:
well i whas partisipating in the other thread to about the chipset driver
but if the at&t tilt2 is the tp2 from america and also has the 7201a proc maybe we can try the chipset driver from the tilt2 to poort to the hd
if the tilt2 is as snappy as the dutch one
(wonder why america ueses a different proc)
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According to [email protected], "The US version uses the MSM7201A while the WWE version would use the MSM7200A, this is because of an patent infringement of Qualcomm with Broadcomm patents presumably with something related to video compression. "
MSM 7201A is basically a cut down version of MSM7200A, it doesn't have the 30fps VGA recording..
jldiablo said:
According to [email protected], "The US version uses the MSM7201A while the WWE version would use the MSM7200A, this is because of an patent infringement of Qualcomm with Broadcomm patents presumably with something related to video compression. "
MSM 7201A is basically a cut down version of MSM7200A, it doesn't have the 30fps VGA recording..
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7200a doesnot support vga recording at 30 fps it suppports 24 fbs
have you asked in the tp2 forum yet?
if you want me to, just ask.
Hello.
I'm thinking about getting a Galaxy Tab wifi only, but are there any other spec differences between the P1000 and the P1010 other than the missing 3G?
Any known software issues with the P1010?
Thank you
/Henriette
HenrietteK said:
Hello.
I'm thinking about getting a Galaxy Tab wifi only, but are there any other spec differences between the P1000 and the P1010 other than the missing 3G?
Any known software issues with the P1010?
Thank you
/Henriette
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GPU in P1010 is PowerVR SGX530!
IIs that better or worse than the 3G version?
Earthbrain said:
IIs that better or worse than the 3G version?
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PowerVR SGX540 in P1000 is much faster!
No GPS I think and BT 2.1 instead of 3.0
How much is much faster?
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Don't care about the BT. I think the gps is actually there. Can anyone confirm that?
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No GPS I think and BT 2.1 instead of 3.0
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It does have GPS.
The CPU is also different.
In summary, there are 3 differences:
1. CPU (not much different, I think)
2. GPU (thus can't play 720p smoothly, forget 1080p)
3. Bluetooth (transfer speed is lower)
I own one, and I'm disappointed at the GPU.
So what one does att carry
Thanks. Not getting that one then. Want full power
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HenrietteK said:
Hello.
I'm thinking about getting a Galaxy Tab wifi only, but are there any other spec differences between the P1000 and the P1010 other than the missing 3G?
Any known software issues with the P1010?
Thank you
/Henriette
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1. The P1010 weighs maybe 1 - 5 grams less because you don't need to put a card in it.
2. The WiFi-only only has a 16GB internal memory model.
3. No EDGE, 3G, etc.
Where did you guys get the information regarding the weaker proc? The specs at pdadb.net and gsmarena are just the same? O_O
Unless, of course, they haven't modified it yet. O_O
Galaxy Tab WiFi is OMAP3
I just got a Galaxy Tab WiFi and will be returning it tomorrow.
The SoC is an OMAP3 of some kind. The GPU *is* an SGX530, which is significantly slower than the SGX540 on the Samsung C110 SoC. The OMAPs memory controller is also much slower than the C110s, various other OMAP bits are not up-to-spec compared to C110. The Galaxy Tab WiFi is a joke. Buy a nook color instead: save $100 and get a better LCD.
I'm sure that the product spec page for the Galaxy Tab WiFi said "C110 Applications Processor" a few days ago, now it reads "1GHz A8 Cortex Processor" (which isn't even written correctly, should be "Cortex-A8"...). I was suspicious when someone posted that they had inspected a P1010 ROM and it contained all of the TI OMX libraries, but I didn't believe that Samsung would redo the whole BSP for a product destined to sell zero million units.
I was wrong. Guess I'll wait for the Asus Transformer.
It seems that the firmware / Android version isn't upgradable by normal means.
There is no firmware or Android update selection like the Sprint version.
Kies indicates that the firmware is NOT upgradable.
Anyone know what's going on?
I brought mine yesterday
P1010 decode 720P video is fine (smooth) with stock video player
Screen is so great (actually better than my HD2 w/ Android) , just waiting for the great great xda developer work on the kernel so I can overclock mine...
Here is the list I really like
- ROOT access
- Overclocking , Memory Managerment
- UI Tweak (Using Go launcher at the moment)
pendevous said:
Where did you guys get the information regarding the weaker proc? The specs at pdadb.net and gsmarena are just the same? O_O
Unless, of course, they haven't modified it yet. O_O
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I agree, I haven't seen anything definitive yet that shows it has the weaker CPU. Can any of you smart xda people who has either broken one open (not me, ...yet) or studied the code give a somewhat more definitive answer? I've had mine for 2 weeks now. I'm happy with its performance. But I know I'm going to want to play with the innards down the road. Is it really that much different from the tab phones?
Any update on this? I was going to get a WiFi tab but having second thoughts now...
@victor888 - what app did you use to play the 720p files, RockPlayer?
It is apparently different...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1054872
the P1010 is not Bluetooth keyboard Compatible (No HID inside). apparently does not support video output through HDMI cable, please advise if anyone is working.
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Update... Solved Bluetooth compatibility.
Hi.
I could connect my bluetooth keyboard to my Galaxy Tab P1010 (only WIFI) by an application from the Android Market. This application is called "BlueKeyboard JP". I am using Stock GingerBread Rom.
greetings.
Tested it
Hey there,
I have read a lot about the differences of these Tabs, but I have not seen some real results.
So I just bought both of them... And I compared:
Fazit: the GT-P1000 is really faster then the GT-P1010!
I have made a screenshot of both Tabs. P1010 with Android 2.2.1 and P1000 with Android 2.2 with nothing running then Quadrant.
The results are:
P1000: 1090 Points
P1010: 691 Points
You can feel the differences by browsing, sliding the top bar down and using the back and home button.
I don't have pictures of the Hardwareinfos, but I lookes at them and there are a lot of differences. The CPU is the same. But the GPU is a [email protected] and a [email protected] All sensors are different and other things. [email protected] and [email protected]
I will make pictures and a list of all differences, if someone want's it.
Greetz,
Tillmet
I don't trust in Quadrant benchmark. If you use OCLF in the P1010 the result overpast the 1000 points.
In game I have good performace +-30fps in HD gameloft titles, like Eternal Legacy, Dungeon Hunter, etc. In video performace the P1010 play 720p h.263 very well (test it with the free Big Buck Bunny Movie 720p mp4, the picture quality is awesome) ;no so well with h.264 that need be 480p with a baseline level 3.0 profile.
Yes, is no so powerfull like the P1000 but with the price I am satisfied with it.
Ps. Android System Info show OpenGL 1.1 same that the P1000.