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Not sure if you all have seen this. Apparently, the processor in the Wings has a special chip for handling video. If HTC delivered the driver, it would increase the responsiveness of all video, including the interface and gaming.
For more info, check out HTCClassAction.org (which also has info on a possible upcoming update for the TTyNII which may include WM6.1, I'd expect they'll do the same for the S730).
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that sounds TERRIBLE!
so basically our htc wings could be MUCH faster with the right drivers??????
WTF
That's correct.
Do you need the better proof? )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIJWAu6IRe4
According to the datasheet on the processor, there's some other stuff... like TV out, that probably isn't even wired. Man... what a sham!
that makes me really mad...
is there a chance that htc will release the drivers for faster graphics and ATI chip support?
or is there a way a ROM can be cooked which makes these things work?
I'm busy getting those drivers. See my post in another thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1876110#post1876110
Surfboomerang said:
I'm busy getting those drivers. See my post in another thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1876110#post1876110
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Good luck with that! You may have better chances by calling ATI and telling them you're a developer working on contract with HTC.
mm
the more people that email Ati, HTC, Qualcomm about this the bigger the chance is of getting a response.
I ahev also mailed ATi asking about this but never got a reply
Hey m8's, sorry if stuped question but i need an answer asap. I've been a htc wizard(branded as TMO MDA) user for long time(about 4 years now?) and now have a chance to upgrade to HTC TYTN2(Kaiser), in the user roms that are available for kaiser is manilla 3D possible, or the same old Manilla 2d? Wizard has only 195mhz processor and m3D was said to need more well kaiser has 400mhz is that enough? Basically trying to see if i should upgrade from otherwise great(never failed me in 4 years and 100's of rom flashes)wizard. Is the CPU overclockable(on wizard i am running it(stable/everyday) at 290mhz(orig 195) thats 150% OC, is 550mhz possible on kaiser(150% oc), if not what the best stable(everyday) oc u got it to? What are other things that i should know about Kaiser?
1) gps
2) more memory
3) 200 mhz faster processor(before oc)
Ty for all that answered and made me make my descision
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Hi,
I'm a new user of Kaiser. The ROM I use (see my sig) is quite stable, although I haven't really task it heavily. The bundled Map King doesn't run on this ROM though.
Unfortunately the chef has stopped development of this ROM, however, many others also cook 3D and stil updating, you can look around.
pesok said:
Hey m8's, sorry if stuped question but i need an answer asap. I've been a htc wizard(branded as TMO MDA) user for long time(about 4 years now?) and now have a chance to upgrade to HTC TYTN2(Kaiser), in the user roms that are available for kaiser is manilla 3D possible, or the same old Manilla 2d? Wizard has only 195mhz processor and m3D was said to need more well kaiser has 400mhz is that enough? Basically trying to see if i should upgrade from otherwise great(never failed me in 4 years and 100's of rom flashes)wizard. Is the CPU overclockable(on wizard i am running it(stable/everyday) at 290mhz(orig 195) thats 150% OC, is 550mhz possible on kaiser(150% oc), if not what the best stable(everyday) oc u got it to? What are other things that i should know about Kaiser?
1) gps
2) more memory
3) 200 mhz faster processor(before oc)
Ty for all that answered and made me make my descision
To mods: sorry if wrong place - please move
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From what I have observed, the Kaiser cannot be overclocked. The Wizard can be overclocked because it is OMAP based, whereas the Kaiser is ARM based.
There are ROMs out there for the Kaiser that use TF3D, but most are TF2D since 3D is better suited for 192dpi screens and a bit more resources than the Kaiser can offer. They are, however, making great strides to make TF3D more suited for the Kaiser.
The only beef I have about the Kaiser is the slide out keyboard. The keys don't press the same as my old 8525 (Hermes). Other than that, I love my phone (until the Touch Pro2 comes out for T-Mobile US).
There is an app that can overclock on the Kaiser, right now I have mine (AT&T Tilt) set to 520mhz , so that should be close enough to 150%. The App is called HTC Performance I believe...
Thread moved - not related to ROM development.
BTW, HTC performance doesn't seem to do much on Kaisers. Here's one discussion on it : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395767
Ta
Dave
ty for all the responces, the lack of oveclocking potential is putting me off i gotta say, i am OC fanatic and thats what drawn me to wizard initially. Will look into htc performance more, anything else anyone else want to ctribute as to what they love/like/hate about their kaisers?
biscuits1978 said:
From what I have observed, the Kaiser cannot be overclocked. The Wizard can be overclocked because it is OMAP based, whereas the Kaiser is ARM based.
There are ROMs out there for the Kaiser that use TF3D, but most are TF2D since 3D is better suited for 192dpi screens and a bit more resources than the Kaiser can offer. They are, however, making great strides to make TF3D more suited for the Kaiser.
The only beef I have about the Kaiser is the slide out keyboard. The keys don't press the same as my old 8525 (Hermes). Other than that, I love my phone (until the Touch Pro2 comes out for T-Mobile US).
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OMAP is an ARM CPU. It's Texas Instruments' branded ARM based CPU. Kaiser uses a Qualcomm branded ARM based CPU...
ARMv5TEJ
ARM926EJ-S
Thumb, Jazelle DBX, Enhanced DSP instructions
variable, TCMs, MMU
220 MIPS @ 200 MHz,
Mobile phones: Sony Ericsson (K, W series); Siemens and Benq (x65 series and newer); Texas Instruments OMAP1710, OMAP1610, OMAP1611, OMAP1612, OMAP-L137; Qualcomm MSM6100, MSM6125, MSM6225, MSM6245, MSM6250, MSM6255A, MSM6260, MSM6275, MSM6280, MSM6300, MSM6500, MSM6800; Freescale i.MX21, i.MX27, Atmel AT91SAM9, NXP Semiconductors LPC3000, GPH Wiz, Marvell Feroceon, NEC C10046F5-211-PN2-A SoC - undocumented core in the ATi Hollywood graphics chip used in the Wii[14].
ARMv6
ARM1136J(F)-S[15]
8-stage pipeline, SIMD, Thumb, Jazelle DBX, (VFP)
variable, MMU
740 @ 532-665 MHz (i.MX31 SoC), 400-528 MHz
Texas Instruments OMAP2420 (Nokia E90, Nokia N93, Nokia N95, Nokia N82), Zune, BUGbase, Nokia N800, Nokia N810, Qualcomm MSM7200 (with integrated ARM926EJ-S [email protected], used in Eten Glofiish, HTC TyTN II, HTC Nike), Freescale i.MX31 (used in the original Zune 30gb and Toshiba Gigabeat S), Freescale MXC300-30 (Nokia E63, Nokia E71, Nokia 5800, Nokia E51, Nokia E75, Nokia N97), Qualcomm MSM7201A as seen in the HTC Dream.
More Info found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture.
alltubetone said:
There is an app that can overclock on the Kaiser, right now I have mine (AT&T Tilt) set to 520mhz , so that should be close enough to 150%. The App is called HTC Performance I believe...
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Htc performace is load of crap and been proved useless and void over and over again for the kaiser by benchmark tests.
If you are on T-mobile in the US, just wait for the Touch Pro 2. It is rumored that T-mo should get it as the "Wing II". It's about time...
I still have my Wizard (iMate KJam). I also ran OMAPclock to overclock it, but stopped this a long time ago. I got my TyTN II (Kaiser) last January (2008) and still going strong with original stock rom. I have just customised mine with Spb Mobile shell which, imho, is way better than any form of manilla, and it is fully touch AND D-Pad usable. I have v2.1.5 with the Spb MS Fast Customiser found on this forum somewhere.
It is like night and day switching from the wizard to the kaiser. You won't be sorry.
Hello,
what are the differences between the two Chipsets in the Rhodium and the Rhodium W?
Thanks!
chris.computerfreak said:
Hello,
what are the differences between the two Chipsets in the Rhodium and the Rhodium W?
Thanks!
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I guess the MSM7600 is CDMA whilst the MSM7200 is GSM?
EDIT:
MSM7200 is GSM only
MSM7600 is GSM/CDMA dualmode, which would explain why the Sprint Rhodium FCC listing says it's got GSM disabled...
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7600&c=qualcomm_msm7600
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200&c=qualcomm_msm7200
The AT&T GSM band version says: MSM7201a
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/photos/htcs-warhawk-and-fortress-are-atandts-touch-diamond2-and-pro2/2032864/
I really fancy a TP2 and I may be reading this completely wrongly, but . . .
my Touch Diamond has a MSM7201A processor which is newer than the processor in the TP2 and is 65nm technology, whereas the MSM7200A is 90nm
Have HTC done some form of tweaking to give better performance from the TP2 because if not it doesn't sound like a considerable upgrade on what I have now
utvol06 said:
The AT&T GSM band version says: MSM7201a
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/photos/htcs-warhawk-and-fortress-are-atandts-touch-diamond2-and-pro2/2032864/
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Look at that link, the last sentence at the bottom in red...
"WM 7.x refresh awarded with Sept 09 launch date"
This is exciting me. Is this hinting for Windows Mobile 7 this year September?
stunno said:
I really fancy a TP2 and I may be reading this completely wrongly, but . . .
my Touch Diamond has a MSM7201A processor which is newer than the processor in the TP2 and is 65nm technology, whereas the MSM7200A is 90nm
Have HTC done some form of tweaking to give better performance from the TP2 because if not it doesn't sound like a considerable upgrade on what I have now
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MSM7201A is not newer than MSM7200A. They are the same generation processor. non-A is 90nm, A is 65nm. 0 is original chip, 1 is with patent workaround. 0 outperforms 1, patent workaround introduced some performance issues.
Laymans term, 7200A is 65nm and faster than 7201A.
TP2 = much faster than TP (probably mostly related to tweaks we had in our custom ROMs anyways, and faster flash and ram chips).
Why do I need to keep telling people this....
LilGBlood said:
Look at that link, the last sentence at the bottom in red...
"WM 7.x refresh awarded with Sept 09 launch date"
This is exciting me. Is this hinting for Windows Mobile 7 this year September?
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This is a typo, should be WM 6.x refresh, i.e. 6.5, which has been said to be released on actual phones in September for ages now.
By patent workarounds, may I hopefully assume it's concerning the hardware video acceleration part? If so, may I also hopefully assume the TP2 has some built in use of that part of the chipset??? Please.... My old HD is getting wore out and I need an excuse to upgrade
Thanks Chainfire... many respects...
Chainfire said:
...0 is original chip, 1 is with patent workaround. 0 outperforms 1, patent workaround introduced some performance issues.
Laymans term, 7200A is 65nm and faster than 7201A.
TP2 = much faster than TP ...
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SomethingWicked said:
By patent workarounds, may I hopefully assume it's concerning the hardware video acceleration part? If so, may I also hopefully assume the TP2 has some built in use of that part of the chipset??? Please.... My old HD is getting wore out and I need an excuse to upgrade
Thanks Chainfire... many respects...
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The patent issue AFAIK only has to do with some 3G stuff (I don't know how this relates to the performance issues of the 1 variant, though, I know there is something with that). Still TP2 does have HW 3D video - but so do the Diamond, TP, HD, and Diam2. The TP2 (and TD2) is noticably faster than the HD, though.
Chainfire said:
The patent issue AFAIK only has to do with some 3G stuff (I don't know how this relates to the performance issues of the 1 variant, though, I know there is something with that). Still TP2 does have HW 3D video - but so do the Diamond, TP, HD, and Diam2. The TP2 (and TD2) is noticably faster than the HD, though.
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Actually, it would have been better if you could put some references about your comments. Especially this one: "Laymans term, 7200A is 65nm and faster than 7201A."
It seems you're right about patent issue (though it is hard to find anything about that), I found this site: http://www.scribd.com/doc/2140146/tag1202114pagenews1tQualcomm-Launches-UMTS-Chipsetsd578, which says:
" In December 2007, US federal judge issued an injunction against Qualcomm for infringement of three Broadcom patents and ordered it to stop selling 3G wideband code division multiple access (WCDMA) cellular chips that breach Broadcom patents. The company has launched the mobile station modem (MSM) 6271, MSM6281, MSM7201 and MSM7201A chipsets in the US. According to the company, the new chipsets are pin- and software-compatible with the existing product versions for easy transition. "
So if the site i'm referecing is reliable, then you're right about this.
But where did you get the info about the 65nm? Could you give us some references? The only site I found (where the size is mentioned) is this: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a&c=qualcomm_msm7200a and it says it is 90nm.
What's more interesting that on this site: http://www.qctconnect.com/products/msm_7201.html#Technical Features It says: "Qcamcorder™: Record up to 24 fps QVGA"
Meanwile here: http://pdfserv.datasheetpro.net/QUALCOMM/msm7200a_chipset.pdf
"Qcamcorder™ Encoder
• A real-time wireless video recording solution that captures movies at 30 fps WVGA"
(this datasheet - by the way - mentions lots of interesting infos)
mydexterid said:
Actually, it would have been better ...
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Perhaps if you asked nicely. And even then I'm inclined to tell you to UTFS (it's not like this is "new" information)
EDIT: BTW, seems I didn't mention it in this thread - I did in another - it does indeed seem that the US TP2 (non-Sprint, which will use MSM7600 series) is MSM7201A, while the EU (and possibly Asia) versions use MSM7200A.
Did you guys forget Xperia X1? It also uses the same processor like the Touch Pro2.
A thread like this has been discussed in X1 forum. Sadly, it seemed like X1 has the worse performance of them all...
netsurfz said:
Did you guys forget Xperia X1? It also uses the same processor like the Touch Pro2.
A thread like this has been discussed in X1 forum. Sadly, it seemed like X1 has the worse performance of them all...
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Most of the performance gains are due to faster RAM/Flash ICs, not the processor.
Chainfire said:
Perhaps if you asked nicely. And even then I'm inclined to tell you to UTFS (it's not like this is "new" information)
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Yeah.. what I expected.. Layman...
Chainfire said:
Perhaps if you asked nicely. And even then I'm inclined to tell you to UTFS (it's not like this is "new" information)
EDIT: BTW, seems I didn't mention it in this thread - I did in another - it does indeed seem that the US TP2 (non-Sprint, which will use MSM7600 series) is MSM7201A, while the EU (and possibly Asia) versions use MSM7200A.
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And in just a few short hours i'll have mine in my grubby lil hands hehehe....
GOT TO GET ME DAT ANDROID NOW
[and its sprint - yey yey new cpu]
btw found some interesting things here:
http://www.datasheetpro.com/node/50272
gives some details on the 7600 chipset - very nice diagrams and whatnot
can any one xtract videodriver from at&t tilit 2 touch pro 2 as it has same processor 7201a but it is 2x faster my theared was closed i don't know why was about drivers from touchpro 2 to be extracted but they told me that it has diffrent processor but touch pro 2 at&t tilt2 has same processor so let's continue
i think if you ask in the touch pro 2 forum, youre more likely to get a response as youll probably find more people with a touch pro 2 there
be sure to keep us posted though.
hoss_n2 said:
can any one xtract videodriver from at&t tilit 2 touch pro 2 as it has same processor 7201a but it is 2x faster my theared was closed i don't know why was about drivers from touchpro 2 to be extracted but they told me that it has diffrent processor but touch pro 2 at&t tilt2 has same processor so let's continue
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Touch Pro 2 = AT&T Tilt, the same phone, but branded and styled differently for AT&T.
The specs for Touch Pro clearly show on the HTC website as HTC Processor Qualcomm® MSM7200A™, 528 MHz
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/specification.html
And the HD shows Processor Qualcomm® MSM 7201A™ 528 MHz
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchhd/specification.html
I think someone already pointed this out to you on the second page of your last thread, which was why I think the thread was closed.
xmsnx said:
Touch Pro 2 = AT&T Tilt, the same phone, but branded and styled differently for AT&T.
The specs for Touch Pro clearly show on the HTC website as HTC Processor Qualcomm® MSM7200A™, 528 MHz
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/specification.html
And the HD shows Processor Qualcomm® MSM 7201A™ 528 MHz
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchhd/specification.html
I think someone already pointed this out to you on the second page of your last thread, which was why I think the thread was closed.
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this is of the at&t tilit it is like our hd and here is its spicifications http://www.htc.com/us/products/tilt-2-att#tech-specs
My mistake, you're absolutely right,, sorry
well i whas partisipating in the other thread to about the chipset driver
but if the at&t tilt2 is the tp2 from america and also has the 7201a proc maybe we can try the chipset driver from the tilt2 to poort to the hd
if the tilt2 is as snappy as the dutch one
(wonder why america ueses a different proc)
miniterror said:
well i whas partisipating in the other thread to about the chipset driver
but if the at&t tilt2 is the tp2 from america and also has the 7201a proc maybe we can try the chipset driver from the tilt2 to poort to the hd
if the tilt2 is as snappy as the dutch one
(wonder why america ueses a different proc)
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According to [email protected], "The US version uses the MSM7201A while the WWE version would use the MSM7200A, this is because of an patent infringement of Qualcomm with Broadcomm patents presumably with something related to video compression. "
MSM 7201A is basically a cut down version of MSM7200A, it doesn't have the 30fps VGA recording..
jldiablo said:
According to [email protected], "The US version uses the MSM7201A while the WWE version would use the MSM7200A, this is because of an patent infringement of Qualcomm with Broadcomm patents presumably with something related to video compression. "
MSM 7201A is basically a cut down version of MSM7200A, it doesn't have the 30fps VGA recording..
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7200a doesnot support vga recording at 30 fps it suppports 24 fbs
have you asked in the tp2 forum yet?
if you want me to, just ask.
Hello.
This might be an utterly stupid question, but from what i am seeing, all TF701xxxxx devices are pretty much the same only with minor differences.
Does that mean i can flash any regular TF701 rom on a TF103CX?
I looked in the QA stickied thread but didn't saw anything related to this.
What part of TF103 sounds like TF701????
You TF103CX has an Intel Atom CPU so it can run Windows and a I suspect a special version of Android to use that cpu. The TF701 has an ARM cpu.
It's not even close to a TF701.