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your Diamond experience requested.

Hi guys,
im an orange customer and I'm for a an upgrade next Thursday. I was hoping to get a Touch Pro, but they dont seem to be bringing that out just yet on Orange so my alternative is the diamond.
I have heard lots of horror stories on it being very laggy and un-responsive due the the lower hardware specs. this with the un-ability to use any MMC Cards was one of the reasons i was routing for the pro.
They have now released a new rom and this has improved things a lot i hear but of-course there is not upgrade for the orange rom other than using a cooked one i assume as the HTC official will not work.
my question... If I go for the Diamond, am I downgrading to much... should I just be patient and wait ? would you say its a worthwhile phone ?
Thanks for you replies in advance, and this is an opinion thread, no flaming someone for their opinion necessary. my spelling well thats another matter ....

While the TouchPro is definitely more powerful than Diamond, I have bought Diamond recently and don't have any performance or usability issues so far. I am using the ROM that came from Telstra and am quite happy with it but I suppose over time, I would still go to try out some cooked ROMs as I have been addicted to flashing with my Hermes for the last 2 years.

To be short: If you don't need a qwerty keyboard and if you don't need more than 4GB storage, buy the Diamond. Nothing else comes close.
All the negative things you've heard about like slowness and such can be solved by installing a custom ROM like SwiftBL 6.0. My Diamond is not only fast, it almost flies.
The screen is the best on the market, the interface is great, GPS is excellent etc. etc. etc.

The Diamond is the PDA better than I ever try to date ...
I abandoned my P3600 move to this concentration of technology and style and I have not yet repented ...
The battery does not last much, but on the site HTC sell at a price not excessive plus the battery.
I had heard about the slowness in response and fluidity of TF3D, but even without resorting to custom ROM, just act with a registry editor on the registry, change some value and that's it ... now is my finger that is not behind the TF3D.
If I may advise, order!

I'm sorry to ruin, but the device is slow.
Before the diamond I had an i-mate jam running windows mobile 2003SE, which should be slower than the diamond, it has
an 400MHz Xscale cpu but the OS / phone way more responsive.
In the diamond it takes me few clicks to answer a phone call, also few seconds to disconnect one also the random freezes.. oh the freezes.. jezz
this driving me crazy when I hit the START button and it takes ~2 seconds to understand..
(And yes, I use dutty's cooked rom V1.7 1.93 which is considered the fastest)
There are good things of course, like the screen which is perfect, the built in GPS which works flawlessly and the TF3D interface
which I hope some time will work faster..
Meanwhile, I still hope I would be able to install Android when it comes out.
Btw, the screen might be perfect but I've also had an iphone, and its a different touch
experience, the multi touch points on the screen and no pen needed to work around are great.
One more annoying thing is the mini-usb.. very pointless, why not to use the regular standard usb port :\
Overall, I'm not too happy mainly due to the performance issues.
WM6.1 is too heavy for this phone, imo.

I had the same issues, but with 1.37 ROM. I was quite disappointed until I upgraded to 1.93 ROM. Those just can't compare, everything is silky smooth and runs really really fast. Now I'm soo glad i bought the phone, it works flawlessly-TF3D and WM6.1...of course thanks to this brilliant forum!
Bottom line: With minor tweaks and some patience you will be more than satisfied with the device. I was sold to the design, now I am to the WM too...

Even if I remove the TF3D interface its still less responsive than needed so I dont know what are you talking
about and I'm also running 1.93 dutty's ROM v1.7.
The whole thing feels like VISTA vs XP in performance terms..

It depend if you are luky or not, my father has a diamond too and had problems with 1.37 and now with the 1.93 he has a lot more problems. For me that was realy good with the Rom 1.37 and now impossible to use GPS updates with the 1.93; two phones and two diffrent experience. Impossible to use Skype in phone to phone over IP but great with PC to phone. Now there is a lot of tweaks realy usefull and this phone is great with a long battery life (if you use what you need when you need). I hope that will help you.

@Delusionz
I really feel sorry to hear that, mate. I am now on the official WWE 1.93 and it's just another world compared to the previous. Everything seems the way i like, which is also great thing with WM, cause lots of things are customizable(+all those performance tweaks which are great). For instance, if i click Start button, it opens down immediately...no lags whatsoever. On 1.37 it was only question of time...Did you try any other ROMs too?
@dge
I had this quick gps problem too...but on 1.37...now it's all fine...i guess we mean the same thing...but long battery life is not its plus...with some tweaking 2 days...maybe 2 and 1/2 days...of course with medium to low usage...

this is not a chat room
every week somebody starts a thread like this...every week.
there is plenty of reviews on the net (try google) and plenty of threads on this subject.
here you have a small collection of related threads. i searched using the word opinion and i got: personal opinions, comparisons with iPhone, comparisons with omnia, problems, why some ppl love their diamond, why some hate it....lots and lots of info!!
try and search the info you need. read! read! this is not a chat room!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419563&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415151&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=408477&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414619&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411682&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402458&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398786&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411791&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411830&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400304&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411478&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402321&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409022&highlight=opinion

no its not a chat room but....
a forum to discuss
chill out.....go have a cup of tea or something

Some of the alleged "slowness" is inherent to all Windows Mobile devices. 4 years ago, WM phones took 2 seconds to open startmenu-programs. Now, after all this improvement, they still take 2 seconds to open startmenu-programs. This is not Diamond's fault, but rather Microsoft's.
Where Diamond shines is in comparison to other WM phones on the market, not iPhone. If you want extreme speed, buy iPhone. If you want business features with extreme speed and don't need touchscreen, buy BlackBerry Bold. If you want Windows Mobile, but the Diamond. Simple as that...

thanks everyone for there opinions and advice if. Its one of the reasons i like this forum as "most" people are friendly and happy to give advice.
Im not an Iphone man, this will be my 4th HTC and 5th WM device so i understand all to well the slowness of WM and if the mutterings i heard were just concerning that and not the device hardware then i think im sold.
I think i will miss-out the SD Card Slot and TV-Out of the Pro but hey its free! I cant argue to much.
Thanks Again,

Check this out:
Plenty of happy owners.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415852
IMO best phone out there by far, and it does not stop there since the phone is new, everyday brings new tweaks and apps that make it even better.

Are you satisfied with your Xperia?

Hi,
Note: Anyone who votes and replies, can you please post the current result of the poll in your reply as well. (so that people who don't have the mobile in their hands yet - like me - and can't actually vote in the poll can see the results too...)
So... you've got an Xperia, eh? You lucky dog!
I bought mine the Friday before last - i.e. on the 25th, and am still waiting delivery. So while i wait, i thought i'd ask from you - the proud (or not) owners of Xperia... "In a nutshell - Are you Satisfied with your Xperia?"
If you are the owners of or have owned Touch Pro prior to Xperia, then cast your vote here as well: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441550
Leave comments if you want.
Best Regards,
Salman Khalid.

msalmank said:
Hi,
So... you've got an Xperia, eh? You lucky dog!
I bought mine the Friday before last - i.e. on the 25th, and am still waiting delivery. So while i wait, i thought i'd ask from you - the proud (or not) owners of Xperia... "In a nutshell - Are you Satisfied with your Xperia?"
If you are the owners of or have owned Touch Pro prior to Xperia, then cast your vote here as well:
Leave comments if you want.
Best Regards,
Salman Khalid.
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Yes I am satisfied.

the best smartphone on the planet right now

Hell yes, definately the best phone ive had! Looks good, well made, couple of minor issues but nothing major. Ask me again in 6 months

is Great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and is too bad because now everyone will know that sonyericsson is really the best.

Despite the initial dissapointment with panels I am very happy. I use the SPB panel for everything and occassionally trot the others out for showing off (fish, music & movies) or a quick google search.
For me the keyboard is nice with easy to access shortcuts and everything works like it should. There are some incompatibilities with my favorite software (S2U2 barely works and is overridden by both panels and sliding out the keyboard) but other than that it runs as fast (touch pro) or faster than any other WM ppc I have ever used!
Phone Signal - Strong
Internet access - Very Quick
GPS - Fast (especially with Quick GPS)
Wifi - Strong
Keyboard - No Lag
Battery Life - 2 1/2 days of medium to heavy abuse on a full charge
4 1/2 Stars (Lose 1/2 for panels)

Took my touch pro back due to the GPS lag and changed for the x1 cause I was still within my 14-day period.
Must admit, it was a great decision. I agree with the statement made above, the panels are a little disappointing but im sure things will improve as more panels are developed.
Besides, we should be able to port TF3D and get the best of both worlds.
No GPS lag, Windows seems snappier navagating through the menu's and the phone feels a lot more solid than the pro.
Current voting is 19 - 1

silent_killa said:
Took my touch pro back due to the GPS lag and changed for the x1 cause I was still within my 14-day period.
Must admit, it was a great decision. I agree with the statement made above, the panels are a little disappointing but im sure things will improve as more panels are developed.
Besides, we should be able to port TF3D and get the best of both worlds.
No GPS lag, Windows seems snappier navagating through the menu's and the phone feels a lot more solid than the pro.
Current voting is 19 - 1
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TF3D is already ported
And ofc it's 19 - 1, it's in the Xperia forum after all, if you start it in the TP forum it'll be 19-1 for TP

Very Satisified. It's all I was hoping for. Keyboard is really good and had a fun day today showing my friend everything practically (GPS, Web, Email etc.) all very smoothly. Suffice it to say that she wanted it as well but ain't due for an upgarde until June next year

Still waiting to get mine, will be interested to see how it compares with my Touch Pro (which will probably get the heave-ho once the Xperia arrives I suspect).

Pure ****..
I really regret bying my X1,it is slow incredible buggy and even my Nokia E90 it was ment to replace has more to offer then this hyped "superphone".. Worst of all is the reception whish is far below average and driving me mad, X1 vs stonewall is the most likely ending to this,,,,,soon,,,next time it just lying there looking stupid searching for signal,,, whamm..
nice looking and probably a solid build other then that..

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I really regret bying my X1,it is slow incredible buggy and even my Nokia E90 it was ment to replace has more to offer then this hyped "superphone".. Worst of all is the reception whish is far below average and driving me mad, X1 vs stonewall is the most likely ending to this,,,,,soon,,,next time it just lying there looking stupid searching for signal,,, whamm..
nice looking and probably a solid build other then that..
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Can you share some of the bugs?

its okay. but not e real milestone.
my x1 is very heavy!its weight is nearly 160 gramms. it feel like a brick.
but it looks impressive. and the display is bigger. but thats all.
the more of ram is okay, but not really feelable.
i miss stereo speakers
hardware video encoder for 640x480 @30 frames
(the videocapture suxx completely!!very blocky and a lot of loss frames!)
answering machine capabillitys. (it`s the same on all windows phones)
tv out????
menus not fast enough. (with tweaked caches too)
where is the g-sensor/motion sensor gone????? the raphael has got one.
its not really better than my htc diamond.
okay, the keyboard its the most important feature, but the phone
FEELS the double of size and weight. so i can wear a mini blutetooth
keyboard in addition to a diamond. thats cheaper.
(its not really the double weight/size, but it feels so!)
the most missing features are realised in the good old nokia n95, years ago.
why can`t htc implement this features? why sony ericsson will use
the f*cking htc cam. in view of the good name of cybershot products,
they lose a lot of reputation.
for 650 bucks, i hoped to become 'the top phone' on market.
but its just a htc rapahael (diamond with keyboard), in y new case
with 2 keyboard keys more, they named one of it X-panel-key. xpanel is just a software,
i can install to any windows phone, and use the button remap tool
and use x-panel by pressing long end of call key.

Don't miss my Kaiser at all...actually don't even know where I put it.
There are some little things with the X1 that could be better but overall this is the best phone I've ever used (and I've used a lot).

The most frustrating thing about owning this phone is how much sleep i'm missing because i'm playing with the damn thing so much
I love it.
Current Voting
Yes 47
No 7

i miss a "yes, but..."-button in the poll.
i am satisfied with my x1, but there are some problems with it.
1. bluetooth turns off randomly
2. optical joystic turns on ramdomly
3. when i install tf3d the x1 gets very unstable and crashes after 2-3 panel changes (even after multiple softresets)
you can share my problems? or you have already solutions to this probs?
thanks & greetz
zmaster
48 yes
8 no

Very happy with the phone haven't had any bugs yet.
However O2 have fiddled with the rom and this has left me with a couple of niggles i.e no google panels and no bluetooth FTP function.

zmaster81 said:
3. when i install tf3d the x1 gets very unstable and crashes after 2-3 panel changes (even after multiple softresets)
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Hardy fair too knock a product because your hacked software won't run nicely on it.

Scott Whitmore said:
Hardy fair too knock a product because your hacked software won't run nicely on it.
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There's always some noob and dumb ass w/ no idea what they are doing.
My x1 is rock solid so far compare to all my previously owned phone so far.

only problems i have arent the X1 at fault.
1. poor reception. its O2 as its fine with my old tmobile sim,
2. opera has issues, but its known to be a beta i believe and a last minute additin to the X1.
technically theres a third, no multitasking the radio but im not too fussed.

Is the X1 worth a try?

I have noticed you can now pick up an X1 for as little as £330 on Amazon UK and I was looking for a cheapish secondary phone that would be could for web browsing & e mail. As well as using as a modem for a Mac laptop.
Is the X1 a good choice for something like this, how is the build quality & UI speed.
Being a noob to WM how is it to get along with on the X1 with the panels etc.
Is there any software that can be installed that helps usability?
It seems to be a good deal cheaper than the price of Touch HD is, even after all this time.

Wel not every phone is perfect.
if you get a x1 i suggest to flash a custom rom wm6.5 that will speed up the device. i think the x1 is a great phone its not to big and comes with a keyboard. the specs are almost the same as TP2. the Tp2 has a bigger screen and speaker.
but if you want a phone thats not to big and has a keyboard than the x1 would be a great choice. i don't know how it works with mac(i'm a linux user). you can find so many software here to make you x1 like you want to. there are so many different UI that you can use. like: TouchFlo3D, PointUI and SPB.
I'm using wm6.5 now for a long time and i must say its fast enough for me.
I hope this helped you.

I have been using it for around few months now and my opinion is I'd look at different phones.
Altho this is one of the most feature packed phone at the moment there are few downsides which are quite critical in terms of usability as a phone.
1. Windows OS not stable enough unless you are keen to soft reset every other day. I soft reset mine every couple of days.
2. Weak reception, compare to my Nokia E71.
3. Lose of reception when you held the phone for a while. Work around to this is getting a silicon case for the phone or apply screen protector at the back of the device, especially the battery cover. I wish there were aftermarket optiosn available such as carbon fiber casing/battery cover. It would cured the problem and make the device much lighter.
4. Battery drain problem once you start use shell/launcher such as SPB mobile shell and Winterface. Battery is fine till 30 percent or so then strangely empties quick overnight from there.
5. Scree lock software increases stability issues. I have used pocket shield and S2U2 ended up removing both due to stability problems.
6. Keyboard is not very well designed. Not the layout but the feedback from pressing buttons. It's kinda mush and not very tactile.
7. "Up" on Dpad is hard to press. and volume button is too small to operate especially when you have case on the phone.
8. Slow web browser. Both IE and Opera mobile is slow compare to Nokia's symbian web browser.
I'm using latest official firmware and tried many custom firmware/winmo 6.5 etc. I think touch flo 3d is the most stable custom launcher you can get for it, although I much prefer winterface launcher.
I have been trying to use this phone for work and I learned that you simply cannot rely on it as relibility suffers thanks to winmo OS. It's fine for personal phone but I wouldn't use it for a work phone.
In my opinion, it's perfect if you are looking for "mostly PDA but occasionally phone" device. If you are after phone first and PDA second, look into Noka N97 or E series. Nokia makes very reliable phones. Or look into HTC Dream/Hero/Android OS devices. I myself thinking of changing my phone to HTC Android OS phones atm. (if only N97 wasn't so expensive around here. darn it.)

Sure worth a 'TRY'. hehe

some8 said:
I have been using it for around few months now and my opinion is I'd look at different phones.
Altho this is one of the most feature packed phone at the moment there are few downsides which are quite critical in terms of usability as a phone.
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1. Windows OS not stable enough unless you are keen to soft reset every other day. I soft reset mine every couple of days.
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Wich Rom do you use? If you installed to many software that is filling up the phone than you have to SR.
2. Weak reception, compare to my Nokia E71.
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Where do you live? I have always full reception and never droped calls.
3. Lose of reception when you held the phone for a while. Work around to this is getting a silicon case for the phone or apply screen protector at the back of the device, especially the battery cover. I wish there were aftermarket optiosn available such as carbon fiber casing/battery cover. It would cured the problem and make the device much lighter.
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I read that so many people are getting scratches on there phone i'm using mine x1 for 9 months and never had a scratch on it. now i have a hard casing for it its better than the silicon one. http://cgi.ebay.nl/Hard-Case-for-So...ches?hash=item3355089a5e&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 its very cheap.
4. Battery drain problem once you start use shell/launcher such as SPB mobile shell and Winterface. Battery is fine till 30 percent or so then strangely empties quick overnight from there.
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Wich WinMo phone has a good battery life? if you want a long battery life than don't buy WinMo phones. buy SE K series they have great battery life.
5. Scree lock software increases stability issues. I have used pocket shield and S2U2 ended up removing both due to stability problems.
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I didn't had any stability iseus with s2u2. but i'm not using any screen lock anymore.
6. Keyboard is not very well designed. Not the layout but the feedback from pressing buttons. It's kinda mush and not very tactile.
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At first it was hard for me to but you get use to it and i must say i'm very fast with it now
7. "Up" on Dpad is hard to press. and volume button is too small to operate especially when you have case on the phone.
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This is totally true
8. Slow web browser. Both IE and Opera mobile is slow compare to Nokia's symbian web browser.
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Try to use opera9.7 with turbo enabled its really fast even faster than iphone 3g. i know its still in beta phase.
I'm using latest official firmware and tried many custom firmware/winmo 6.5 etc. I think touch flo 3d is the most stable custom launcher you can get for it, although I much prefer winterface launcher.
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you tried to many beta build i gues. i have winmo 6.5 with R3 firmware and its really fast with no stuff from other winmo devices. TF3D is nice and respnds good but i prefer the standard wm6.5 home.
I have been trying to use this phone for work and I learned that you simply cannot rely on it as relibility suffers thanks to winmo OS. It's fine for personal phone but I wouldn't use it for a work phone.
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This is not the fault of the phone but winmo. wm is just crap almost everybody agrees.
In my opinion, it's perfect if you are looking for "mostly PDA but occasionally phone" device. If you are after phone first and PDA second, look into Noka N97 or E series. Nokia makes very reliable phones. Or look into HTC Dream/Hero/Android OS devices. I myself thinking of changing my phone to HTC Android OS phones atm. (if only N97 wasn't so expensive around here. darn it.)
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choose a OS so that can do all your jobs. i'm using wm because i use navigation on my phone(tomtom) and for me thats the best. read reviews of phones. there are always downsides with every phone i always say it there is no perfect phone or OS. every OS has its own problems. if you don't relay on software that run on OS i prefer you to buy a android phone htc hero. but if you wan't a phone with keyboard i suggest xperia because its not to big.

I'd suggest you go for the touch pro 2, since you are new to winmo. It has a larger screen, hardware keyboard is great to use and is a bit more recent than the xperia.
Switching to winmo gives a lot of benefits, especially when you have a HTC device. You can change roms and try out different flavours etcetera. Install applications without jailbraiking or whatsoever. Get use to the tf3d, wich is a pretty neat home screen. Ofcourse, nothing beats the gaming capabilities of an iphone right now, but i do think that there are advantages on windows mobile.

some8 said:
I have been using it for around few months now and my opinion is I'd look at different phones.
Altho this is one of the most feature packed phone at the moment there are few downsides which are quite critical in terms of usability as a phone.
1. Windows OS not stable enough unless you are keen to soft reset every other day. I soft reset mine every couple of days.
2. Weak reception, compare to my Nokia E71.
3. Lose of reception when you held the phone for a while. Work around to this is getting a silicon case for the phone or apply screen protector at the back of the device, especially the battery cover. I wish there were aftermarket optiosn available such as carbon fiber casing/battery cover. It would cured the problem and make the device much lighter.
4. Battery drain problem once you start use shell/launcher such as SPB mobile shell and Winterface. Battery is fine till 30 percent or so then strangely empties quick overnight from there.
5. Scree lock software increases stability issues. I have used pocket shield and S2U2 ended up removing both due to stability problems.
6. Keyboard is not very well designed. Not the layout but the feedback from pressing buttons. It's kinda mush and not very tactile.
7. "Up" on Dpad is hard to press. and volume button is too small to operate especially when you have case on the phone.
8. Slow web browser. Both IE and Opera mobile is slow compare to Nokia's symbian web browser.
I'm using latest official firmware and tried many custom firmware/winmo 6.5 etc. I think touch flo 3d is the most stable custom launcher you can get for it, although I much prefer winterface launcher.
I have been trying to use this phone for work and I learned that you simply cannot rely on it as relibility suffers thanks to winmo OS. It's fine for personal phone but I wouldn't use it for a work phone.
In my opinion, it's perfect if you are looking for "mostly PDA but occasionally phone" device. If you are after phone first and PDA second, look into Noka N97 or E series. Nokia makes very reliable phones. Or look into HTC Dream/Hero/Android OS devices. I myself thinking of changing my phone to HTC Android OS phones atm. (if only N97 wasn't so expensive around here. darn it.)
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1 - I soft reset EVERY phone at least once a day. Depends on usage not on stability.
2 - Not true.
3 - Not true.
4 - Don't use shells then lmao.
5 - That is those apps' fault, not a problem with the phone or WinMo. lol at this btw.
6 - That is totally your own opinion. Most of the users fund the keyboard amazing. There is only one keyboard that gives better experience than the X1's and that's TP2's keyboard.
7 - True about the "up" button, but the volume keys are fine. If they were bigger, you would have complained about how huge they are lol.
8 - Biggest lie ever. Maybe you failed to mention that the Symbian browser is crap? Try SkyFire or Opera (for real this time).
I don't like TF3D and I'm using the official R3A ROM. Everything is perfect.
The phone is good for work.
LOL @ the phones you mentioned and especially ROFL @ the N97, which is the biggest fail in the known universe.
hyellow said:
I'd suggest you go for the touch pro 2, since you are new to winmo. It has a larger screen, hardware keyboard is great to use and is a bit more recent than the xperia.
Switching to winmo gives a lot of benefits, especially when you have a HTC device. You can change roms and try out different flavours etcetera. Install applications without jailbraiking or whatsoever. Get use to the tf3d, wich is a pretty neat home screen. Ofcourse, nothing beats the gaming capabilities of an iphone right now, but i do think that there are advantages on windows mobile.
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I suggest you read this before going for the TP2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=522073

/commodoor
yup I agree with you. there is no perfect OS. It's all comes down to personal preference. My statement was merely coming from my experience and how I felt about the product.
You don't have to criticise my comment. It's just how I felt from my own experience and those were issues when I used it.
Like I said before xperia is the most feature packed phone you can get. It has the screen resolution with physical qwerty keyboard, excellent built quality, GPS, camera with flash and all those other phones can't match. But at the end of the day, it comes down to the end user and usability.
My complain about battery life is not about actual overall battery life. If you read my comment again, it was fine till around 30% then quickly drains after that. Don't get all defensive and say "Don't buy winmo device if you expect battery life." You have completely missed my point. Everyone who have experience with winmo phones know what it can do and what it can't. I was simply pointing those out.
Yes I'm using winmo 6.5 custom rom and I found I actually gain reception quality and battery life with it over previous 6.1 rom I used, but it seems sacrificing stability. The point is, winmo needs a lot of tweak to get the basic phone part working reliably and lag free like other phones like Nokia symbian platform does out of box. But then winmo has a lot more room for customisation and that's where its strength came from. That's what I mean by "PDA first, phone second."
Reception quality is fine, but worse compare to my E71 and HTC Touch HD. I compared both at home and where E71 and HTC Touch HD picked up the signal, Xperia failed. I live around hills. Reception isn't very good around here.
Funny enough I don't use or install anything but bare minimum. I use builtin notepad, builtin calender and builtin contact. Probably only aftermarket software I use is Garmin/Tomtom Nav software and Winterface. Nothing else.
I still find the Nokia web broswer faster than any version of Opera(except mini but that's different story) for winmo phones, especially over GSM network.(HSDPA) But then Nokia web browser struggle to view heavy loaded websites where winmo devices can. So all about up and downside. For general website I usually visit, I found Nokia web browser gets the job done faster and easier. Also when I installed Opera mini on my E71, I could view websites with flash manu, somewhat limited, but made it possible. I couldn't do this on any winmo devices.
I have exact same case you have linked and suprised you have found happy with it. It's pure junk in my opinion and its getting dust in my drawer. I just found such case doesn't do its beautiful device a justice. Adds too much bulk and doesn't really protect the phone as it's way to easy to take them off. Also finish wasn't great out of box. I had to file few spots to smooth moulding lines. Xperia is not a slim device and having cases just adds too much bulk on it. Exceeding to my preference.
At end of the day, it's all about your priority. If you like customising phones then xperia is definitely a nice choice. I prefer it over HTC touch HD anyday. But if you want the pda phone you can rely on and works everytime without fail and but with limited customisation, then defnitely consider Nokia symbian phones. I'm quite tempted for Android OS phones at the moment. I just wish M$ did their work and improve windows mobile OS rather than making it heavier with eye candy crap.

/orelsi.
I don't know what to say. Stop accusing me I'm lieing. And are you retard? Because I was saying those are my experience. I didn't say that applies to everyone.
What's up with this rudeness. Does this represent Winmo community? Such short sighted and arrogant comment.

sorry for the off top, but don't worry too much bout orelsi. he's always like that...
imho x1 is the best winmo device at the moment. maybe tp2 is more feature packed, but xperia looks better, size-wise it's amazing, it is fast and stable on r3a stock rom, pictures captured with it can be compared to normal digital cameras and the keyboard layout is made for fast texting/emailing. for me it is just perfect.

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I suggest you read this before going for the TP2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=522073
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I think when speaking of user friendlynes, the touch pro 2 can be that. I mean, you are talking about advantages of the d-pad, sure, there are some, though i don't have chubby fingers, d-pad on xperia is sometimes a horrible design mistake. left and right d-pad is ok, but up and down, you can't hardly press it without pressing on the optical pad. what's the use of an optical pad anyway, i hardly use it, only for up and down for the forementioned problems with keypad. i don't use it for scolling webpages since opera, and in fact, the whole OS, is already using kinnetic scrolling.
no flash on tp2. Yeah, like having a led flashlight really makes a difference, but the vga recording @ 30fps is a nice addition to xperia though, if only it would not capture to 3gp format, cmon, 3gp in twothousand and f*cking nine?
Every phone has it flaws orelsi. Xperia is also not perfect, especially not if you were buying it for the hardware qwerty and the so called arctic slide, nothing special about that either.
But I agree, sometimes your posts can be rude, as i have notice myself before.
As i know the thread starter from mobile-review and he happens to have an iphone, i suggested him a device equally matches the screen size at least. Because the 16:9 aspect ratio of the xperia doesn't make it per se a better user experience.
Anyway, i hope we can help the topic starter for his quest for a good winmo phone.
ohh, and possibly most anoying is the recessed screen, where the tp2 is flushed.

trust me. having a flash is making a difference. the one in xperia is strong enough and even low light pictures are quite nice quality. it is true about not so great quality of videos though.
arc (not arctic ) slider is a very nice feature. previously I had tytn 2 and tilted screen was less neat. on the other hand, flush screen on tp2 is better.
d-pad is not the bestest one, but tbh one can get used to it and it's better to have one rather than have none. optical joystick is also great for precise operation.
so.... x1 have it's flaws, but for many of us it's a weapon of choice. no other device have those looks with all this greatness inside with it's compact form factor.

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/orelsi.
I don't know what to say. Stop accusing me I'm lieing. And are you retard? Because I was saying those are my experience. I didn't say that applies to everyone.
What's up with this rudeness. Does this represent Winmo community? Such short sighted and arrogant comment.
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lol wut?
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I think when speaking of user friendlynes, the touch pro 2 can be that. I mean, you are talking about advantages of the d-pad, sure, there are some, though i don't have chubby fingers, d-pad on xperia is sometimes a horrible design mistake. left and right d-pad is ok, but up and down, you can't hardly press it without pressing on the optical pad. what's the use of an optical pad anyway, i hardly use it, only for up and down for the forementioned problems with keypad. i don't use it for scolling webpages since opera, and in fact, the whole OS, is already using kinnetic scrolling.
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If you aren't satisfied with the 'up" and "down" keys and aren't using the optical pad, then turn of the optical one and be happy with the hardware d-pad.
I use the optical scrolling all the time for browsing, scrolling through menus and most importantly through e-books.
Also, there are many games and some apps that require a D-Pad. Better to have one is what I say.
no flash on tp2. Yeah, like having a led flashlight really makes a difference, but the vga recording @ 30fps is a nice addition to xperia though, if only it would not capture to 3gp format, cmon, 3gp in twothousand and f*cking nine?
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It is not a small difference. It is especially noticeable in dark places. The TP2 won't be able to make a pic, while the X1 will take one. Now, you tell me what's better - to have a certain (arguably not perfect) ability or to have no ability at all?
Every phone has it flaws orelsi. Xperia is also not perfect, especially not if you were buying it for the hardware qwerty and the so called arctic slide, nothing special about that either.
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Have I ever said that the X1 is without flaws? I have pointed its flaws repeatedly.
Do you mean the "arc" slider? That is just a form factor, although the curve helps a little bit when typing.
But I agree, sometimes your posts can be rude, as i have notice myself before.
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Everything is in the eye of the beholder.... get it?
As i know the thread starter from mobile-review and he happens to have an iphone, i suggested him a device equally matches the screen size at least. Because the 16:9 aspect ratio of the xperia doesn't make it per se a better user experience.
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The bigger screen and better speakers are the only two things the TP2 has going for it. I can't honestly call that an upgrade (unless we are talking apple lmao). The 16:9 ratio is pretty good for movies though .
Anyway, i hope we can help the topic starter for his quest for a good winmo phone.
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Indeed.
OP my advice is to get the X1 or wait for some other phone later in the year.
ohh, and possibly most anoying is the recessed screen, where the tp2 is flushed.
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Agreed 100%.

i think, not any manufacturer wil make the perfect device for us. just near close to keep us hungry for more and more...

hyellow said:
i think, not any manufacturer wil make the perfect device for us. just near close to keep us hungry for more and more...
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Yeah, if they make the perfect one, who would bother buying their next device haha. That's why the X1 lacks an accelerometer.

Thanks all for the feedback it was very helpful.
In it's bare-bones state, in other-words without altering the ROM or putting other UI's on it how do the panels perform, are they more of a gimmick than an actual useful addition.
I have heard that the X1 UI is less customised than something like the TP2 & you encounter raw WM6.1 more often & with the screen/font size that it can be tricky to use without applying the stylus?

there is mobile shell from spb, i don't use it though, but it also can keep you away from the inner wm6.1 ui, for a while though. check spb's website about it, it's free for xperia, as a panel, so decide wich panel suits your time of the day

The X1 rocks! I got mine a few days ago and simply love it!
The stock software isn't too awesome, though, and the up button of the D-Pad is hard to press (but I don't use it anyway since the optical joystick works beautifully). Personally I like the keyboard feel, not too mushy for my taste. No G-sensor, but I find them irritating anyway (again, just a personal preference). In all other regards the hardware is fantastic. Fast and small, great display, full qwerty, optical d-pad, Wi-Fi, gps with a-gps support, etc..
I have flashed a few ROMs (6.5 and 6.1) and am very happy with Smaberg's Touch X 10.1 EXTREME final ROM (WinMo 6.1, Touch Flo 3d - not sure which version, but it is smooth and touch-friendly). Stable and very fast. Makes for a much better experience than stock and smoother than all the 6.5 ROMs I have tried. It's been around a while and there is good support in the ROM thread. Don't have to delve too deep into 6.1 guts, interface is great.
My advice? Definitely buy one and flash it with the Touch X ROM.

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Nokia makes very reliable phones.
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I had to reboot my Nokia E90 every few days, it also took about 10% of battery to get the thing to a usable state after reboot too, hence why i had a second battery for it.
They also broke the BT functionality with their official flashed OS. It made it unreliable to boot.
This is why I'm here and have an X1 in my hand. If its going to be unreliable, I'd rather have a smaller, lighter, more configurable device.
i won't go on to say it is perfect, as it isn't. The E90 was built like a tank, went swimming several times and was dropped on an almost weekly basis, but still worked.
The X1 I have has been dropped and has been swimming, and it still works, but the case has cracked

First of all The perfect allInOne phone does not exist (even the iphone doesn't hehe) ...
i had nokia n95-8gb, samsung i550, samsung f480 and a lot more... now I'm with my xperia...
If you are an multimedia fan use a sony ericson w series phone ... if u like to have great amount of software u can use the xperia or any other winmobile phone BUT the xperia has a nice design and a good quality case... The camera is enough for snapshots and the gps is great - no compare with n95 this one has a crapy gps... so there's a lot of + and - it depents on what you personally need. if i could find "my rom" so it is the perfect phone for me because i don't listen too much to music but i want an rds radio a tmc and a good gps device so the nokia couldn't give me that ... Maybe the samsung omnia hd is an alternative one but rember it very depending on which rom u are using - hop it helped...

what could be the future for our beloved X1?

I know, i know...there has been said soooo much about the possible ROM-update voor X1 from wm 6.1 to wm 6.5....but there is just still is a bit of a bluh-feeling about the xperia not getting a final boost in performance/experience!
Not one person i know woth a x1 is going to buy the x2, and everyone i know with another phone, and everyone i read about on the net is looking at other phones! the X2 is bound to be a huge flop, simply because they (SE) are running behind! Everyone i know is talking about the HD2 woth its huge screen, or the omnia 2 with its huge screen and bright colors...the iphone is still hot with its huge screen, so is the touch pro 2, the hero, and even the Acer is getting ooohs and aaaahs!!!
And sony is coming with the X2? just compare all those hot phones with the xperia 2....not a great comparison IMHO!
N o, what i think what should be done, is to make the X1-fans more happy with their phone than they ever been, make the product really what it should be...skip the X2...and focus an the x3...(wich should be the true X2)
And because SE isn't doing anything right now about that, i would ask everyone who has the most cleanest wm 6.5 rom to link to the right thread, so any of the new(unexperienced) users can find a way to use their phones as they were brand new!

X2 Com Manager??

Has anyone found that CAB/package anywhere???

The device haven't been released yet wait untill it releases there wil probably be a x2 rom dumped remade so the x1 will run smooth

Man, I can't wait for some X2 based ROMS, these Leo based Roms are way to buggy and slow.. not to mention my aversion to TF3D (sorry guys).

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Man, I can't wait for some X2 based ROMS, these Leo based Roms are way to buggy and slow.. not to mention my aversion to TF3D (sorry guys).
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you dhould try toich it v2 pretty nice tf3d rom

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The device haven't been released yet wait untill it releases there wil probably be a x2 rom dumped remade so the x1 will run smooth
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in fact it is allready out...

Mooks said:
in fact it is allready out...
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U mean al those 6.5 roms out there?, think like this, x1 and x2 have the exact same hardware except x2 go accelerometer and some other minor uppgrades, and as far as i know the 6.5 runs so smooth it can possibly go on x2, so if someone dumps the rom from it al the devs will wont have to make those thousands registry tweaks cuz sony ericsson already made em thats why peeps wait on the x2 rom cuz it will be insanly smooth( i hope )

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U mean al those 6.5 roms out there?, think like this, x1 and x2 have the exact same hardware except x2 go accelerometer and some other minor uppgrades, and as far as i know the 6.5 runs so smooth it can possibly go on x2, so if someone dumps the rom from it al the devs will wont have to make those thousands registry tweaks cuz sony ericsson already made em thats why peeps wait on the x2 rom cuz it will be insanly smooth( i hope )
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Remember how smooth R1A was? I'm guessing we need a few more months at least for a good X2 dump.

Anyone got a screenshot of the X2 commanager?
Whats different from the X1 one?

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Remember how smooth R1A was? I'm guessing we need a few more months at least for a good X2 dump.
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You are right , but with a little bit modification the first x2 rom releases will prob do the thing, i dont want to buy the x2 cuz its basicly x1 but a new shell, new os lol, shell on x1 is a beuty compared to x2 lol! and the os(rom) will be working on our x1 so why spend 700 bucks on a new "x1" !!?

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U mean al those 6.5 roms out there?, think like this, x1 and x2 have the exact same hardware except x2 go accelerometer and some other minor uppgrades, and as far as i know the 6.5 runs so smooth it can possibly go on x2, so if someone dumps the rom from it al the devs will wont have to make those thousands registry tweaks cuz sony ericsson already made em thats why peeps wait on the x2 rom cuz it will be insanly smooth( i hope )
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Not forgetting that the X2 has more keys on the hardware keyboard than the X1, but yet less buttons (no more d-pad).

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Not forgetting that the X2 has more keys on the hardware keyboard than the X1, but yet less buttons (no more d-pad).
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Still the design is plastic and more fragile than a steady metall case the phone is bigger more clumsy and if u have x1 why buy x2 if u can get the same goodies on ur current phone? (finger keyboard v2 is the soloution)

I agree, whats the point in buying a new x1 with a 8mp camera..I don't even use the camera that often and when I do 3mp is sufficient. But thats alot of people's opinions, a friend of mine upgraded a week ago to another X1 and now he's just patiently waiting for the X2 rom to be dumped and to be quite honest I think I will do the same end November since it will save me a huge pay in plus the X1's design is perfect if compared with the X2's cheap plastice look. Gotta love the shiny metal cover. SE should have stuck with HTC, the X1 is my first SE phone that has never broken in it's full 2 years of use. Since HTC is out of the picture I think the cycle will probably start repeating itself again. Not that I'm complaining since the X2 screw up will add another year's life to the X1. SE should have switched to the snapdragon 1ghz cpu and stayed with HTC to create another monster what the X2 could've been. Even the Nokia N900 is copying the Xperia panel interface and just goes to show how much the X1 achieved. And yes after reading this post I written I see what a X1 fanboy I really am..but then again..after using the X1 how can anyone feel differently. I really did expect a bit more from the X2 though. Luckily the X2 rom will probably work out of the box on the X1 so looking forward to that.

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I agree, whats the point in buying a new x1 with a 8mp camera..I don't even use the camera that often and when I do 3mp is sufficient. But thats alot of people's opinions, a friend of mine upgraded a week ago to another X1 and now he's just patiently waiting for the X2 rom to be dumped and to be quite honest I think I will do the same end November since it will save me a huge pay in plus the X1's design is perfect if compared with the X2's cheap plastice look. Gotta love the shiny metal cover. SE should have stuck with HTC, the X1 is my first SE phone that has never broken in it's full 2 years of use. Since HTC is out of the picture I think the cycle will probably start repeating itself again. Not that I'm complaining since the X2 screw up will add another year's life to the X1. SE should have switched to the snapdragon 1ghz cpu and stayed with HTC to create another monster what the X2 could've been. Even the Nokia N900 is copying the Xperia panel interface and just goes to show how much the X1 achieved. And yes after reading this post I written I see what a X1 fanboy I really am..but then again..after using the X1 how can anyone feel differently. I really did expect a bit more from the X2 though. Luckily the X2 rom will probably work out of the box on the X1 so looking forward to that.
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I agree, I expected more from the X2, and I really fail to see how SE plans on attracting X1 buyers.
However, I really don't think HTC is the answer to SEs poblems. Honestly, it seems kind of counter intuitive to me when companies use HTC as their OEM, especially these days when it is trying to brand itself. The X1s biggest competitor when it came out was the Touch Pro. I'm sure HTC knew the X1 was a better phone, so what incentive did they have to really allow it to compete with their own devices. That's probably the reason we are missing things like an accelerometer, a 3.2 inch screen, massive launch delays, and probably the reason cheap plastics that crack were used. Its also probably one of the reasons Palm chose not to use HTC for the hardware of the Pre, as it had done in the past with the Treo Pro and others. Foxconn on the other hand doesn't make their own competitor to the X1 that they stand to lose money on. They do however make the iPhone, which is a stunning peice of hardware, so I'm hoping for good things further on down the line a la X3/X10

Hmm, im glad we have x1 lol, and soon we will have x2 in a better case (rom in our x1 for peeps that dont understand)

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I agree, I expected more from the X2, and I really fail to see how SE plans on attracting X1 buyers.
However, I really don't think HTC is the answer to SEs poblems. Honestly, it seems kind of counter intuitive to me when companies use HTC as their OEM, especially these days when it is trying to brand itself. The X1s biggest competitor when it came out was the Touch Pro. I'm sure HTC knew the X1 was a better phone, so what incentive did they have to really allow it to compete with their own devices. That's probably the reason we are missing things like an accelerometer, a 3.2 inch screen, massive launch delays, and probably the reason cheap plastics that crack were used. Its also probably one of the reasons Palm chose not to use HTC for the hardware of the Pre, as it had done in the past with the Treo Pro and others. Foxconn on the other hand doesn't make their own competitor to the X1 that they stand to lose money on. They do however make the iPhone, which is a stunning peice of hardware, so I'm hoping for good things further on down the line a la X3/X10
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Hmm now that you mention it, it makes sense that the X1 cracked for no reason at all looking at it in that light. Atleast the hardware remained sturdy. I also looked at the X10 but somehow can't get past the absence of a hardware keyboard and android OS. I love winmo as a OS although a lot of people complain about it. And the best thing about it is that you can keep upgrading it. SE stated that X2 would be able to upgrade to WM7 once it's released which means next year this time my X1 will also be running it. Then there is the HTC interface porting, Starcraft porting ect. Maybe they will bring out a real upgrade for the X1 when WM7 releases. Android is way too limited in my opinion and if you have 1.6 there's no way to flash to 2.0 not to mention no pc porting

iPhone is rather high quality I must admit. We will have to wait and see. I'm actually quite angry at HTC now, since thats probably also the friggen reason my spacebar key cracked in it's first week of use. I have a Foxconn motherboard in my pc and must also admit it's never given me any kind of problem

Personally I am going to buy a HTC HD2 then they start to sell it here in Denmark! Cause I feel that the Xperia X1 lost its charm quickly for me!